>>Letting healthy people continue to live normal life is not
>>eugenics.
>>
>>Focusing on the immuno-compromised and elderly and providing
>>the CORRECT treatments *hint hint, not vaccines* is not
>>eugenics.
>>
>
>It absolutely its heartless bullshit to say "only groups xyz
>should worry, I'mm going to do me" when doing you can spread
>the virus to those groups.
>
>How is this hard to get?

>
>Sure, there should ALSO be more focus on treatments, testing,
>etc.
>
>But to shrug off a very large group of people to push your
>narrative is ...as I said...some right wing bullshit.

Where did you get "shrug off old people?" I said FOCUS on them. That's literally the opposite of shrug off.

I'm saying shrug off young people who don't get the virus (kids) or don't get affected by it (anybody under 40-50 w/o 4 comorbidities)

NOT shrug off old people or people w comorbidities. Which is also a thing ya'll don't seem to want to address.


>
>And it also ignores the impact to the healthcare system.
>
>
>So if we go with YOUR plan...and let everyone live their lives
>while we find treatments (LOL at you trusting pharma with
>treatments, but not vaccines btw...hellofa step)
>


I don't trust Pharma at all, personally haven't even taken an Advil in 10+ years, basically since teenager.

Thats just anecdotal though and doesnt matter. My point is moreso that we should be looking at the success of IVM and HCQ - cheap, unpatented drugs - vs the failure of remdesivir and vaccines - which also happen to be generating billions DIRECTLY to Fauci (literally, personally to him) and Big Pharma

https://hcqmeta.com/
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Prove these are wrong



>Meanwhile old and high risk people die and fill up the
>hospitals.
>
>How can you not see that writing off entire groups of people
>isn't completely fucked up?


Where do you get this from? Find one quote.


>
>So essentially...your plan is he current one minus
>vaccines...how is that better?
>
>How?
>
>Why do the high risk not matter? Old people?
>
>
>Why?

Again, find one quote. I'm literally saying the exact opposite.


>>
>>What I don't understand is all this talk about follow the
>>science, Fuaci is GOD, they did nothing wrong / there's no
>>smoking gun, collusion etc...
>
>WTF are you talking about? I never said anyting about Fauci.
>Honestly, I think it would be best at this point to replace
>him for a variety of reasons.
>
>I'm talking about an entire community of doctors, scientists,
>etc who are recommending the vax.
>
>You get mad when others ignore a few loud contrarians, but why
>are you allowed to ignore the vast majority of experts??
>
>
>Collusion? I'm not even going to entertain weirdo 4chan
>conspiracy bullshit.
>
>The facts are there is a very dangerous/deadly virus currently
>circulating.
>
>Yes it is far more dangerous to certain groups.
>
>
>But those groups MATTER.
>
>
>Right now an important step everyone can take to help is get
>vaccinated.
>
>
>I'm not saying thats it. It isnt. And fuck anyone who says
>that it is.
>
>But also, fuck anyone who is putting their own selfish fears
>of a safe vaccine over the common good.
>

PROVE ITS SAFE.

>
>>
>>But we have the highest death count in the world. Per capita
>>too. The richest nation in the world, with coffers full of
>>medicines and vaccines and ventilators and doctors and
>experts
>>and all the infrastructure you can want....and we are THE
>>WORST. The only ones at our level are the Europeans with
>the
>>same infrastructure and $$$
>
>Yeah. The entire system is fucked, I agree with you.
>
>But one of the reasons our levels are where they are is people
>like you who refuse to do something that could help.
>
>Not the only reason. Honestly at this point, I wouldn't even
>say the biggest reason because the current administration is a
>fucking failure on the pandemic.
>
>But a big reason.
>
>
>>
>>All these 3rd world countries with no ventilators, no
>>hospitals, no resources - just some HCQ, IVM, people
>maskless
>>living life and soaking up the sun - somehow all doing
>better.
>> Across the world.
>
>Wait, what? Please get off whatever websites you are getting
>your info from.

>
>One thing our infrastructure allows for is testing, data, etc.
> You get that right?
>
>You also get that climates/societies that allow for more
>outdoor (open air living will do better, yeah?
>
>
>I could cherry pick countries with high vaccination rates and
>very strict lockdown measures that are also doing better.

NAME EM....

>
>You get that too right?
>
>
>>
>>And then you say this is eugenics? YOUR PROGRAM IS THE ONE
>>DOING THE MOST KILLING.
>
>THE VIRUS IS DOING THE KILLING
>
>The response could be much much better. And our society could
>be much less selfish.
>
>Here we are.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>Nobody here has answered why REMDESIVIR IS THE ONLY
>TREATMENT
>>STILL??
>
>I agree there should be a lot more treatment development,
>availability, etc. Go have that argument eslewhere.

Why elsewhere? We are here...why ya'll keep dismissing these simple arguments?


>
>It does not excuse you from not being vaxxed (with no
>consequence) tho
>
>>
>>Nobody here is answering any of the PFIZER CLINICAL TRIALS
>>STILL??? CT said he responded but didn't...
>
>Clinical trials? My man, look at real life. Take a step
>back. Think of the number of people who got this thing and
>the worst they had was feeling like shit for a day.
>
>Cmon man.
>

I'm looking at real life and seeing my double vaccinated + boosted people getting more sick than me. Getting sick once a month. I see them going on planes and to work SICK AF "but I'm vaxxed so I'm good" ...they think they operate on a different plane now.

I see 10+ probably 20 homegirls who haven't had their period in 6 months. I got homies with rashes and stomach problems. I got more homies that died of overdoses this year all under 35 than anybody dying of COVID.

I see people scared to leave their house and going around in double masks and boosted still getting COVID. I see unvaccinated, unmasked people doing just fine.


>
>>
>>Ya'll keep spouting its safe but nobody has answered the
>>VAERS, Canada, UK, EU, Israel, and Pfizer DEATH AND INJURY
>>NUMBERS?
>
>You know VAERS is self-reported, yeah? Not verified?

Ya and about 80% is NOT self reported but Dr reported and they are verified by CDC, thus week lag time. Also according to some *possibly dubious* studies, its been historically very UNDERreported.

Funny you leave out the data from Canada Europe etc...

>
>
>Also, do you want to talk COVID numbers, or nah?

Died with or FROM COVID? Cases with 35+ cycle threshold and no system for dealing w duplicates (one guy, 5 positives happened like to 20 ppl this week) and false positives?

>
>
>You want treatments...do you think the treatments might have
>some adverse reactions?

HCQ and IVM have literally been used for decades, they have no adverse reactions. This is in a million studies and REAL LIFE as you say.

>
>
>Like I said above, it could be a day where you get presented
>with a situation where you have to put faith in your dr/the
>medical community.
>
>Maybe even a new drug.
>
>
>So take your privileged bullshit elsewhere.


Sure thing bud.

>
>>
>>
>>OK, sorry, bad article. But eugenics? Cmon. Your program
>is
>>the worst in the world, and you cant keep blaming rednecks.
>>Florida doing 10x better than NY, go figure.
>>
>>
>
>
>It isn't my program. Mine would be vaccines + much more
>outreach/education on vaccines + more lockdowns + masking +
>more treatment development/capacity + increased healthcare
>capactiy + more consequences for anti-vaxxers + ...I could go
>on.
>

LOL more lockdowns more testing more masks more fear and paranoia more hysteria...THAT SHIT DIDNT WORK!!! It dont work!!!!


>The "fascists" you replied to are simply saying you should
>have consequences for your action
>

>
>Choose to be a selfish, science-denying, privileged
>asshole....maybe you should pay higher insurance fees and not
>be able to fly.
>

Ya'll still havent replied to any of the science presented against the narrative. Ya'll dont reply to the hundreds of IVM and HCQ studies, ya'll dont reply to the BS clinical trials, etc etc etc


>If the vaxx really is the mark of the beast...those should be
>small prices to pay.
>

I said that?


>
>So yeah I blame rednecks. I blame large brained conspiracy
>theorists. Selfish assholes who think the healthy should be
>able to live their lives like they couldn't literally kill
>people doing so.
>
>
>And I blame the CDC. And I blame the admin.
>
>
>Shit isn't just black and white.
>
>
>You ignored a bunch of shit too, like long COVID in otherwise
>healthy people.
>
>
>
>But yeah...everyone saying "let us healthy people get it
>poppin" is essentially saying large groups of people do not
>matter and it is worth them dying so I can go back to normal
>may as well be calling for eugenics.


Nah thats what you want it to mean. I'm actually saying the opposite.


You want to lockdown and mask kids, which has proven to do more harm then good. I want them to live and grow. They don't get sick or die, leave them alone. Focus on the obese and elderly.

You want quarantines and mass testing and vaccines on everybody, I'm saying use that on the group that needs it. It's literally what the Israeli doctor said above. Use it on who NEEDS it, so they survive. Help them out tirelessly and as effectively as possible. Use all the tools we have at our disposal to save them.

Wasting a trillion tests on 20 healthy 20 year olds, masking 10 year olds, vaccinating 5 year olds when Africa as a continent is at like 5%...that shit don't scream "science" "health" or "end the pandemic" to me.

Locking down the world but not locking down McDonalds is funny style. Needing a vaccine card to buy some beers is BS. Wearing a mask through the door but taking it off at the table is laughable.

Ya'll dismiss cheap therapy b/c its linked to Trump and conspiracy but ya'll don't see the studies. YOU are blinded by politics.

Again -
https://hcqmeta.com/
https://c19ivermectin.com/

You say look at real life but don't see that USA and Europe with all the resources and lockdowns in the world are doing worse than countries living freely and just giving cheap shitty drugs and keeping people alive.

Blindly following Big Pharma, Big Tech and this shitty ass govt that fucked us over since Day 1 is not the solution. They walked us down this road and now we are stuck at boosters that don't work. There are *preprint* studies now showing the vaccines have a NEGATIVE effect against Omicron.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3.full

Lockdowns masks tests vaccines all have proven not to work. And you want to double down on the suicides, drug overdoses, unemployemnt, mental health, stunted growth, no breathing, scared of people horseshit we been doing for 2 years.