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13446640, RE: You're either being intellectually dishonest or you're not very smart
Posted by beeinfinite, Tue Nov-02-21 02:29 PM
>Like with any other job...work history. This is what scouting
>is for, HS, College, Bowls, etc. Players have built a body of
>work which typically lends better to predicting future
>performance than poking and prodding a player pre-draft. And
>a one day account (when someone could just be having an off
>day or fight through an injury) isn't a great indicator
>either.

so, teams have no right to test your abilities when you are about to enter a league with a play level that is many fold higher than the one you are accustomed to?

let me put it this way. why write sat's or mcat's if your school history dictates that you already earned good grades in previous years?

obviously because the level of competition continues to rise.

your history got you to the try out, and now it's up to you to pass the exam to get to the next level.


>
>>>So you're saying, as long as YT Pee Poe are okay with
>>>it...the comparison isn't valid?
>>
>>i wanted to know how you account for and see the rest of the
>>league in relation to these ideas, should there be special
>>circumstances for some players and not others?
>
>If the rest of the league had the same historical/ancestral
>reference that the players who feel a way about the process
>does, then their feelings can be validated alongside those
>that feel this way.
>

but many don't. so we should create special rules for some because certain people are offended that they need to enter another try out? football is predominantly a physical game. what else is there to test but physical attributes? are the athletes forced to be there against their will? are they forced to stay there against their will? did they choose to be there?


>Anecdotally, the NFL itself has always played friendly with
>racist practices. The NFL Combine didn't become a thing until
>1982, coinciding with the very turn of the league from
>majority White to Majority Black. Hmmm...

this one is purely logical and there is no conspiracy. statistically, black athletes make better football players. how do you choose the best from the best with a sudden influx of black athletes? you run try outs.

>
>The NFL also:
>-Had quotas on how many black players could play on a team
>-Restricted the positions they could play on a team to make
>them all compete for limited spots and minimized their
>opportunity to play
>-Still discriminates against black quarterbacks, kickers,
>centers, coaches and owners
>-JUST got found complicit in providing differing medical care,
>post-career, to former black players based on a ridiculous
>racial measure
>-Reprimanded players about supporting a protest against social
>injustice...until the world watch George Floyd die during a
>pandemic and had to soften their stance.

history is ugly, and humanity is making progress. there are plenty of shitty people out there, but that does not mean sports organizations are guilty of engaging in slave practices. the players choose to be there, they are compensated, they can leave. this cannot be overlooked to make a radical point.

>
>So it's not like they would care that what they do is similar
>to slave auctions.
>

nothing they do is similar to a slave auction. nothing.

>
>Parts of a thing don't have to equal all of a thing. If a
>portion of what the league does, resembles a portion of
>slavery...it doesn't mean that everything in the NFL is = to
>slavery.

what you are suggesting, is that, every black athlete until the end of time, can never be tested for their physical attributes, even if they willingly chose to put their their physical attributes to a test against other willing participants to enter an organization, or it will immediately be thought of as slavery. that means, all professional teams, whose success is based on physical attributes, can no longer hold try outs of any kind, or test any athlete, unless they risk offending you. this is ludicrous and pure radicalism.

>
>NFL Combine events
>Physical measurements | Height, weight, arm & hand length,
>body fat percentage.
>40-yard dash | Splits are also recorded at 10 and 20 yards to
>measure acceleration.
>Bench Press | 225-pound repetitions (QBs and WRs are exempt)
>Vertical jump.
>Broad jump.
>20-yard shuttle.
>Three-cone drill.
>60-yard shuttle.
>

^ looks to me like a good way to test a players physical attributes where they will need to do those things over and over again to guarantee their own and the team's success, for which they will be paid.


>^^^Looks similar to me. And seeing as how professional
>'white' athletes didn't need to do this combine pre-1982, one
>would wonder why it was necessary post-1982/what changed.
>Hmmm...

already addressed that above. the only conspiracy here is the radical one in your mind.