this shit good..

his parents.. whew

typical white parents who think they are doing what is best while making some gross miscalculations and exhibiting some serious blind spots.

I can relate to a lot of his sports experiences early on. Not the MLB prospect but the microaggression at away games, umps and refs who were racist af. Coaches who started white kids who were TRASH but had daddy’s all up in the coaches ears.

athletes make millions of dollars, invest in businesses, live top shelf lives. comparing nfl camps to slave auctions was crazy to me. teams invest millions of dollars in athletes, are they not supposed to ensure they can provide a r.o.i?

for every Millionaire player there are probably 20 to 30 who made a few hundred thousands or less and never had a shot at making millions either because they got injured or didn’t make the cut.

but I know why you wouldn’t like that comparison.

are exactly what is destroying the democratic party and turning it into a joke

btw, colin has made millions on this nonsense and continues to do so, a true humanitarian

slaves don't get paid. the fact you actually tried to reason that being paid as an athlete is equivalent to slavery is so far out there that any discussion about it is going to be a waste of time

What's radical is pretending it's anything else. For every millionaire ex-NFL players there are literal thousands who put everything into it and make nothing. It's inherently unpredictable, and represents no more real progress than a lotto ticket.

Contrast with actually raising the social floor or providing equal rights / protection / opportunity to all.

the athletes want to be there, they dream of the opportunity to play for a professional team and are paid to do it.

>What's radical is pretending it's anything else. For every
>millionaire ex-NFL players there are literal thousands who put
>everything into it and make nothing.

who makes nothing in the nfl? are you speaking about people who try to make it and don't?

It's inherently
>unpredictable, and represents no more real progress than a
>lotto ticket.

its not unpredictable, it's a science. players are picked for their agility, strength, speed, etc. as these are the qualities that yield the greatest amount of success, and these are the qualities that are tested against other players. the very nature of the sport is to test physical and mental toughness. men like to compete against one another. it is within our nature to be competitive.

is there anything in life that is structured differently? when you are being evaluated for a job, are you judged by your qualifications for that job or because you wanted it more?

>
>Contrast with actually raising the social floor or providing
>equal rights / protection / opportunity to all.

are you suggested that players in the nfl are oppressed and have no equal rights or protection?

It is unpredictable. Like a lotto.

Contrast with virtually any other career.

>Contrast with virtually any other career.

plenty of people do plenty of things and are left with nothing, life is unpredictable.

About 1,000,000 high school players {1}
About 250 new NFL players each draft class. {2}
Median lifetime earnings for NFL is about $3,000,000. {3}


Making a HS players chance of going pro about 0.025% (1,000,000 / 250 = 0.00025).

Your expected earnings, as a player good enough to play in high school, are therefore $3,000,000 * 0.00025 or $750 LIFETIME.

Again, compare with almost any other career choice. Learn to code and expect to earn something like $2-3 million lifetime, conservatively. (30 years x $85000 {4})

This makes e.g. computer science a roughly 3000x better career choice than pro football, for a high-school aged person. Making the NFL is great; so is winning the lotto. Probably you will see similar demographics comparing lotto players and active NFL players. It's a tax on a perceived lack of solid, predictable opportunity.


{1}: https://www.statista.com/statistics/267955/participation-in-us-high-school-football/
{2}: https://www.quora.com/How-many-players-make-it-in-the-NFL-after-they-get-drafted/answer/Michael-Keller-43?ch=10&oid=188757785&share=5adc9568&srid=2y1&target_type=answer
{3}: https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-players-having-trouble-making-salaries-last-into-retirement-2017-9#:~:text=But%20in%20reality%2C%20the%20average,players%20are%20about%20%243%20million.
{4}: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary

>About 1,000,000 high school players {1}

are high school kids forced to play football and do nothing else? a high school offers you many avenues, not just a pathway into the nfl. mentioning high school is not relevant.

>About 250 new NFL players each draft class. {2}
>Median lifetime earnings for NFL is about $3,000,000. {3}
>

according to your own source, median earnings for an NFL player is $3,000,000 OVER 3 YEARS, that's 1 million per year. i'm not sure why you included the word "lifetime". when your career is over, your professional life isn't over, you can continue earning using other avenues in your "lifetime"

>
>Making a HS players chance of going pro about 0.025%
>(1,000,000 / 250 = 0.00025).

how is this relevant? it's clearly not easy to become a professional athlete but they don't pick people at random like lottery balls, the players are evaluated according to their attributes and skills. the cream rises to the top. this is true in every field or human activity.

>
>Your expected earnings, as a player good enough to play in
>high school, are therefore $3,000,000 * 0.00025 or $750
>LIFETIME.
>

again, with "lifetime", when the median is 3 years, not an entire lifetime.


>Again, compare with almost any other career choice. Learn to
>code and expect to earn something like $2-3 million lifetime,
>conservatively. (30 years x $85000 {4})

based on your source, a football player makes $3 million in 3 YEARS compared to what a coder makes in 30 YEARS. what would you do with 3 million after 3 years of work? i'm sure you have many good ideas.

>
>This makes e.g. computer science a roughly 3000x better career
>choice than pro football, for a high-school aged person.

no, that's incorrect because you took a median of 3 years and calculated it as a complete lifetime, assuming a football player with a large sum of money has no future prospects, or education, or ability to use those earnings to build a good life.

Expected outcomes are a basic tool for making decisions under uncertain conditions.

For each NFL player there are a solid thousand that tried and failed to make it, even after similar energy expenditures in high school / college.

The cost of that failed effort vastly exceeds the total benefit to this cohort of prospective players. Contrast this with nearly any other career. The energy expenditure costs us, as a people, drastically more than we benefit. The shiny salaries of the few mask a LOT of wasted opportunity. If we're looking at entire societies, and how the NFL affects them, this is all relevant.

The outcome should make some common sense to you. You have about a lotto player's chance of making any money at all. Whereas with the lotto you are gambling your own money, with the NFL you are gambling with your time and energy.

Again, contrast with nearly any other career. The drastic imbalances in the numbers are inherently exploitative. More "earn your freedom" than "build a career".

>Expected outcomes are a basic tool for making decisions under
>uncertain conditions.

expected outcome for 3 YEARS of work, not a lifetime as you insinuated.

>
>For each NFL player there are a solid thousand that tried and
>failed to make it, even after similar energy expenditures in
>high school / college.
>

for every coder, doctor, lawyer, designer, engineer hired, there are a thousand that tried and failed. life is hard, and the cream rises to the top. sports are easy to play but difficult to master, and if you don't have the tool box to succeed, you won't be able to hang with the best of the best. nothing about this points to the lottery or slavery.

>The cost of that failed effort vastly exceeds the total
>benefit to this cohort of prospective players. Contrast this
>with nearly any other career. The energy expenditure costs us,
>as a people, drastically more than we benefit. The shiny
>salaries of the few mask a LOT of wasted opportunity. If we're
>looking at entire societies, and how the NFL affects them,
>this is all relevant.

those aren't objective facts, those are opinions.

failed effort? it depends on how you look at it. athletes have a higher quality of life due to better health. athletes learn discipline and demonstrate ambition, which are highly valued attributes in any and every field.

there are plenty of people who did not make the cut, but went on to do amazing and remarkable things thanks to the tools they learned as athletes.

your perception of these realities strikes me as overly pessimistic. look at your own life as an example. did you quit after failing to do something? or did you pick yourself up and continue down a good path? you strike me as someone who did, so why do you expect less of someone that doesn't make the nfl but who has invested into discipline, ambition, hard work, and perseverance? that's just part of human life. nothing is easy, nothing is given, everything is earned.

>
>The outcome should make some common sense to you. You have
>about a lotto player's chance of making any money at all.

professional sports are not a lottery and the comparison is illogical. as an athlete, you are not picked out of a hat. you are evaluated based on your physical attributes and skills. anyone can play football, and that's why there are so many aspiring football players, because it is an easy game to play, however, that does not mean you will make it just because you can catch a ball, because there are thousands of people who just might be better than you are at it. none of this is based on lottery.


>Whereas with the lotto you are gambling your own money, with
>the NFL you are gambling with your time and energy.
>

3 million over 3 years to play a game you love is not a failed effort by any stretch of the imagination. anyone has the capacity to waste their money, equally, anyone has the capacity to be smart with it.


>Again, contrast with nearly any other career. The drastic
>imbalances in the numbers are inherently exploitative. More
>"earn your freedom" than "build a career".


via your own example, a coder earns 3 million over 30 years, compared to a football player who earns 3 million of 3 years. i think the math is pretty clear that it pays to be a football player. after the 3 years are up, you walk away with great health, a lot of money, and time to use that money well, or not, it's up to them.

Expected means before you actually make the NFL. As an average HS player, your expected income is the average career NFL salary ($3M) multiplied by your prior probability of making it (0.025%). or about $1000.

Expected earnings for an average high school level programmer is, even over the same three years, much, much higher.

> via your own example, a coder earns 3 million over 30 years,
> compared to a football player who earns 3 million of 3 years.
> i think the math is pretty clear that it pays to be a football player. > after the 3 years are up, you walk away with great health,
> a lot of money, and time to use that money well, or not, it's up to
> them.

You got the math wrong, ignored proven health risks for NFL players, and turned a blind eye to readily available information on the actual outcomes for ex-NFL players. 16% of ex-NFL players are bankrupt 12 years out of the league**.

** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_finances_of_professional_American_athletes

>Expected means before you actually make the NFL. As an
>average HS player, your expected income is the average career
>NFL salary ($3M) multiplied by your prior probability of
>making it (0.025%). or about $1000.
>

noone is forcing high school kids to pursue a career in the nfl, they have many options. you say it as if they have no other choice but to go up against those odds, they do.

>You got the math wrong, ignored proven health risks for NFL
>players, and turned a blind eye to readily available
>information on the actual outcomes for ex-NFL players. 16% of
>ex-NFL players are bankrupt 12 years out of the league**.
>

i disagree, you're basing your arguments on many hypotheticals, when in reality, based on actual figures, the median is 3 million over 3 years. that is much better than 3 million over 30 years.

how ex-NFL players spends their money is their business, however, using that example, they have 12 years to do something beneficial with it.

can a non athlete take 12 years to live on past earnings to figure out what to do with the rest of it?

If that's easier for you to understand.

Again, after incorporating the probability of success.

You're wrong on the math by like 1000x. Good luck out there man.

first off.. the fuck does this have to do with the democratic party?

second.. I never said slaves were paid like athletes. You brought up millions and I simply pointed out how most football players aren’t millionaires.

and the combine was the comparison. Measuring, poking and prodding to bid on livestock. If you can’t see the obvious its because you are white and wrong

>first off.. the fuck does this have to do with the democratic
>party?

everything. is there anything in the public sphere that isn't positioned as left vs right or vice versa? the democratic party has absorbed a ton of these radical ideas to boost votes.

>
>second.. I never said slaves were paid like athletes. You
>brought up millions and I simply pointed out how most football
>players aren’t millionaires.

okay, so let me rephrase, are there any professional athletes in the nfl who make nothing and are forced to be there against their will?

>
>and the combine was the comparison. Measuring, poking and
>prodding to bid on livestock. If you can’t see the obvious
>its because you are white and wrong

how else do you evaluate an athletes physical attributes? you think the nfl is a personality contest? are you under the impression that professional athletes test their magnetic personalities against one another or do they test speed, agility, & strength? name a single sport that human beings engage in that don't evaluate physical attributes as a measure of success. name a single professional sport where players are forced to be there against their will and are not paid.

when you're challenged to think about it logically. no hard feelings.

as demonstrated by the fact that you think the democratic party has actually adopted any radical ideas.

they let the radicals into their party (antifa) and it's costing them now, just look at virginia.

tell me you didn't watch the whole series without telling me you didn't watch the whole series

It's not the first time that idea was presented...

https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/09/5-ways-the-nfl-combine-reminds-us-of-slavery/

The COMBINE is the subject...and you're deflecting

Are you saying black athletes that feel this way are wrong?

You really have to question why the combine is necessary at all...if not for this auction dynamic

After an NCAA career...what are they trying to accomplish at the combine?
You've seen these guys play...for years...at an elite level
What's the point of the combine?

>Are you saying black athletes that feel this way are wrong?

which athletes feel this way?

according to your article, 68% of the players are black, what about the rest of the players?

>You really have to question why the combine is necessary at
>all...if not for this auction dynamic

how else would you organize the evaluation of a player you are going to invest millions on?

>After an NCAA career...what are they trying to accomplish at
>the combine?

evaluation of ability/longevity.

>You've seen these guys play...for years...at an elite level
>What's the point of the combine?

to establish the players worth. is there any area in life where repeated testing and evaluation is not required?

So you're saying, as long as YT Pee Poe are okay with it...the comparison isn't valid?

How could a YT american feel any connection or similarity to an african brought to america as forced labor?

That's a ridiculous premise...Bye.

this site two weeks ago.
Like seriously, who the hell signs up for okp in 2021?
All of us are here out of habit at this point... and this dude joins, 20 years late and comes in talking about the great theory of libertarianism and radical democratic ideas?

Shit's off.

and its only done to bam up the post and deflect from the actual topic.

you made several assertions which i addressed and also asked you several questions in return that you did not provide a response for

how do we evaluate players of all races whose physical attributes are the key to the success in their chosen profession?

>So you're saying, as long as YT Pee Poe are okay with
>it...the comparison isn't valid?

i wanted to know how you account for and see the rest of the league in relation to these ideas, should there be special circumstances for some players and not others?

>
>How could a YT american feel any connection or similarity to
>an african brought to america as forced labor?
>

my problem is with the conflation of the nfl to slavery, which players are forced to be there against their will without being paid a salary?

which players are equating the nfl with slavery? you made those statements, i am seeking clarification

I'll let your responses dictate the answer.

>how do we evaluate players of all races whose physical
>attributes are the key to the success in their chosen
>profession?

Like with any other job...work history. This is what scouting is for, HS, College, Bowls, etc. Players have built a body of work which typically lends better to predicting future performance than poking and prodding a player pre-draft. And a one day account (when someone could just be having an off day or fight through an injury) isn't a great indicator either.

>>So you're saying, as long as YT Pee Poe are okay with
>>it...the comparison isn't valid?
>
>i wanted to know how you account for and see the rest of the
>league in relation to these ideas, should there be special
>circumstances for some players and not others?

If the rest of the league had the same historical/ancestral reference that the players who feel a way about the process does, then their feelings can be validated alongside those that feel this way.

Anecdotally, the NFL itself has always played friendly with racist practices. The NFL Combine didn't become a thing until 1982, coinciding with the very turn of the league from majority White to Majority Black. Hmmm...

The NFL also:
-Had quotas on how many black players could play on a team
-Restricted the positions they could play on a team to make them all compete for limited spots and minimized their opportunity to play
-Still discriminates against black quarterbacks, kickers, centers, coaches and owners
-JUST got found complicit in providing differing medical care, post-career, to former black players based on a ridiculous racial measure
-Reprimanded players about supporting a protest against social injustice...until the world watch George Floyd die during a pandemic and had to soften their stance.

So it's not like they would care that what they do is similar to slave auctions.

>my problem is with the conflation of the nfl to slavery, which
>players are forced to be there against their will without
>being paid a salary?
>
>which players are equating the nfl with slavery? you made
>those statements, i am seeking clarification

Parts of a thing don't have to equal all of a thing. If a portion of what the league does, resembles a portion of slavery...it doesn't mean that everything in the NFL is = to slavery.

And to finally drive the point home:
SOURCE: Rawick, George P., ed. The American Slave: A Composite Autobiography, 19 vols. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1972–1979

"Them in back can't see, so the overseer drives the slaves out to the platform, and he tells the ages of the slaves and what they can do … and one of the bidders takes a pair of gloves and rubs his fingers over a man's teeth, and he says to the overseer, "You call this buck twenty years old? Why there's cut worms in his teeth. He's forty years old, if he's a day." So they knock this buck down for a thousand dollars. They calls the men "bucks" and the women "wenches" … At these slave auctions, the overseer yells, "Say, you bucks and wenches, get in your hole. Come out here." Then, he makes 'em hop, he makes 'em trot, he makes 'em jump. "How much," he yells, "for this buck? A thousand? Eleven hundred? Twelve hundred dollars?" Then the bidders makes offers accordin' to size and build."

NFL Combine events
Physical measurements | Height, weight, arm & hand length, body fat percentage.
40-yard dash | Splits are also recorded at 10 and 20 yards to measure acceleration.
Bench Press | 225-pound repetitions (QBs and WRs are exempt)
Vertical jump.
Broad jump.
20-yard shuttle.
Three-cone drill.
60-yard shuttle.

^^^Looks similar to me. And seeing as how professional 'white' athletes didn't need to do this combine pre-1982, one would wonder why it was necessary post-1982/what changed. Hmmm...

>Like with any other job...work history. This is what scouting
>is for, HS, College, Bowls, etc. Players have built a body of
>work which typically lends better to predicting future
>performance than poking and prodding a player pre-draft. And
>a one day account (when someone could just be having an off
>day or fight through an injury) isn't a great indicator
>either.

so, teams have no right to test your abilities when you are about to enter a league with a play level that is many fold higher than the one you are accustomed to?

let me put it this way. why write sat's or mcat's if your school history dictates that you already earned good grades in previous years?

obviously because the level of competition continues to rise.

your history got you to the try out, and now it's up to you to pass the exam to get to the next level.


>
>>>So you're saying, as long as YT Pee Poe are okay with
>>>it...the comparison isn't valid?
>>
>>i wanted to know how you account for and see the rest of the
>>league in relation to these ideas, should there be special
>>circumstances for some players and not others?
>
>If the rest of the league had the same historical/ancestral
>reference that the players who feel a way about the process
>does, then their feelings can be validated alongside those
>that feel this way.
>

but many don't. so we should create special rules for some because certain people are offended that they need to enter another try out? football is predominantly a physical game. what else is there to test but physical attributes? are the athletes forced to be there against their will? are they forced to stay there against their will? did they choose to be there?


>Anecdotally, the NFL itself has always played friendly with
>racist practices. The NFL Combine didn't become a thing until
>1982, coinciding with the very turn of the league from
>majority White to Majority Black. Hmmm...

this one is purely logical and there is no conspiracy. statistically, black athletes make better football players. how do you choose the best from the best with a sudden influx of black athletes? you run try outs.

>
>The NFL also:
>-Had quotas on how many black players could play on a team
>-Restricted the positions they could play on a team to make
>them all compete for limited spots and minimized their
>opportunity to play
>-Still discriminates against black quarterbacks, kickers,
>centers, coaches and owners
>-JUST got found complicit in providing differing medical care,
>post-career, to former black players based on a ridiculous
>racial measure
>-Reprimanded players about supporting a protest against social
>injustice...until the world watch George Floyd die during a
>pandemic and had to soften their stance.

history is ugly, and humanity is making progress. there are plenty of shitty people out there, but that does not mean sports organizations are guilty of engaging in slave practices. the players choose to be there, they are compensated, they can leave. this cannot be overlooked to make a radical point.

>
>So it's not like they would care that what they do is similar
>to slave auctions.
>

nothing they do is similar to a slave auction. nothing.

>
>Parts of a thing don't have to equal all of a thing. If a
>portion of what the league does, resembles a portion of
>slavery...it doesn't mean that everything in the NFL is = to
>slavery.

what you are suggesting, is that, every black athlete until the end of time, can never be tested for their physical attributes, even if they willingly chose to put their their physical attributes to a test against other willing participants to enter an organization, or it will immediately be thought of as slavery. that means, all professional teams, whose success is based on physical attributes, can no longer hold try outs of any kind, or test any athlete, unless they risk offending you. this is ludicrous and pure radicalism.

>
>NFL Combine events
>Physical measurements | Height, weight, arm & hand length,
>body fat percentage.
>40-yard dash | Splits are also recorded at 10 and 20 yards to
>measure acceleration.
>Bench Press | 225-pound repetitions (QBs and WRs are exempt)
>Vertical jump.
>Broad jump.
>20-yard shuttle.
>Three-cone drill.
>60-yard shuttle.
>

^ looks to me like a good way to test a players physical attributes where they will need to do those things over and over again to guarantee their own and the team's success, for which they will be paid.


>^^^Looks similar to me. And seeing as how professional
>'white' athletes didn't need to do this combine pre-1982, one
>would wonder why it was necessary post-1982/what changed.
>Hmmm...

already addressed that above. the only conspiracy here is the radical one in your mind.

dismissive before you read one word so this is my last entry for you.

>so, teams have no right to test your abilities when you are
>about to enter a league with a play level that is many fold
>higher than the one you are accustomed to?

If this was necessary, the NFL would have had it in place pre-1982. Explain why it wasn't necessary when the league was mostly white and I might concede this point...but you can't and won't.

>let me put it this way. why write sat's or mcat's if your
>school history dictates that you already earned good grades in
>previous years?

>obviously because the level of competition continues to rise.
>
>your history got you to the try out, and now it's up to you to
>pass the exam to get to the next level.

If schools were allowing students into their schools sans sat's or mcat's when 98% of the students were white but then all of sudden started to require them when their enrollment started to move to a more diverse mix of people, it would be called into question also (and lets not act like standardized testing doesn't have a bevvy of flaws and discriminatory practices).

>but many don't. so we should create special rules for some
>because certain people are offended that they need to enter
>another try out? football is predominantly a physical game.
>what else is there to test but physical attributes? are the
>athletes forced to be there against their will? are they
>forced to stay there against their will? did they choose to be
>there?

Why not just do away with the combine completely? Especially if the measures at the combine haven't been statistically analyzed for future success. There's no 'formula' for what makes a player successful at the pro level because each team is it's own culture. You want physical info, no prob. You want to track my speed, agility, ability? Watch film. Simple.


>this one is purely logical and there is no conspiracy.
>statistically, black athletes make better football players.
>how do you choose the best from the best with a sudden influx
>of black athletes? you run try outs.

This isn't logic...it's a convenient excuse, levied with a backhanded compliment. This is how I know you're not trying. "Statistically" LMAO...you gotta be a white guy.

>history is ugly, and humanity is making progress. there are
>plenty of shitty people out there, but that does not mean
>sports organizations are guilty of engaging in slave
>practices. the players choose to be there, they are
>compensated, they can leave. this cannot be overlooked to make
>a radical point.

What a contradictory statement! History is ugly (yes), humanity is making progress (yet, my examples included two very recent examples of them perpetuating historical ugliness in the face of an opportunity to show progress). Sports orgs aren't guilty of engaging in slave practices (I LITERALLY listed a slaves account of how they put them through a combine for selling them and how the same exact tasks are being instituted to measure athletes for draft to EARN MONEY FOR RICH MEN!)

Then, he makes 'em hop = 20-yard shuttle, Three-cone drill, 60-yard shuttle.

he makes 'em trot = 40-yard dash | Splits are also recorded at 10 and 20 yards to measure acceleration.

he makes 'em jump = Vertical jump, Broad jump.

Then the bidders makes offers accordin' to size and build = Physical measurements | Height, weight, arm & hand length, body fat percentage, Bench Press

"How much," he yells, "for this buck? A thousand? Eleven hundred? Twelve hundred dollars?" = Picking traditionally poor black men in a draft, giving them financial security while making profit off of their physical abilities.

Ok, bro...you can't be indignant just because you want to be right. It's clear as day this is transitional. Just because they get $ instead of room/board/feed doesn't make this portion of the process less similar.

>nothing they do is similar to a slave auction. nothing.

Yeah, you just confirmed my initial consideration. Even if you think the players are being sensitive, anyone with a brain can see the similarities I just aligned.

>what you are suggesting, is that, every black athlete until
>the end of time, can never be tested for their physical
>attributes, even if they willingly chose to put their their
>physical attributes to a test against other willing
>participants to enter an organization, or it will immediately
>be thought of as slavery. that means, all professional teams,
>whose success is based on physical attributes, can no longer
>hold try outs of any kind, or test any athlete, unless they
>risk offending you. this is ludicrous and pure radicalism.

Only a fool thinks that someone not wanting be subjected to an insensitive process is radicalism. Players should be able to opt out of the combine without it hurting their consideration for the job. NFL teams should then rely on individual scouting...you know, the same way they did it in the 1960's and 1970's, pre-merger.


>^ looks to me like a good way to test a players physical
>attributes where they will need to do those things over and
>over again to guarantee their own and the team's success, for
>which they will be paid.

You mean the same things they've done for over half their lives at that point? You mean the same things they've been recorded doing up until that point? You mean the same things that they've done with statistical analysis to review their acumen in?

Those things? Right.

>already addressed that above. the only conspiracy here is the
>radical one in your mind.

No one said anything about a conspiracy triggered guy. There are similarities and players have a right to make the comparison. And I wouldn't side with the NFL (a league that has a history of discriminatory practices) when it comes to racial sensitivity recognition. It's always funny to see conservatives (who like to keep things the way they were) cape for progression when people say 'let's go back to the way it was when it was for mostly whites'.

Good day, Mr. Denial.

good luck to you.

>Why not just do away with the combine completely? Especially
>if the measures at the combine haven't been statistically
>analyzed for future success. There's no 'formula' for what
>makes a player successful at the pro level because each team
>is it's own culture. You want physical info, no prob. You
>want to track my speed, agility, ability? Watch film.
>Simple.
>

I only played football a couple of years in high school but it's always been odd that most of these tests occur in a vacuum and are far removed from game conditions. Like, running in training clothes is much different than running with a helmet, equipment, and padding on. And bench pressing technique is far different from using one's total body to move other powerful humans.

As a receiver, the most difficult catch was when you had to turn your head one way then turn it the other. Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE IN SHOULDER PADS AND A HELMET.

That 1982 shit is interesting, never knew that, but...sounds about white.

+2, Mike Mamula…literally trained specifically for combine events, improved his draft spot…and sucked in the league
Those skills didn’t translate.

>+2, Mike Mamula…literally trained specifically for combine
>events, improved his draft spot…and sucked in the league
>Those skills didn’t translate.

How accurate these combine try outs are for evaluating how well somebody will perform is a crap shoot apparentlt

from the outside looking in, it seems like it would make it more likely for someone to have a chance to be drafted if everyone goes to the same tryout/the results are available to all Twenty-something teams in the leauge versus having to go individually try out for the 2,3,5,10 teams that might be interested in signing you

You have the internet, apparantly, you can look this up yourself

LeBron James;
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/lebron-james-says-nfl-owners-slave-mentality-comes-players-050651044.html
and apparently, Todd Gurley

Adrian Peterson;
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/peterson-compares-nfl-labor-to-slavery

There's even an WHOLE book about the slavery comparison to pro sports in general;
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5548552

I'm sure Maurice Clarett and Dez Bryant could expound on the topic...but you're not here for that

You just want to deflect and dismiss...what is a first person story as lived by a black athlete in america

You'll never be right discounting someone else's reality.

you can use lebron's words while discussing any job on the planet

you work for someone, and you do what they ask you to, and if you don't, they get rid of you, is there a job on the planet where this isn't true?

the critical difference is, any person, athlete or employee is paid for their labor and can leave at any time they please, and they are also protected by labor laws

the team “owns” their players unless they retire or get traded to another team.

imagine coming into work and your boss is like “sorry, you work in Milwaukee now, we traded you”

you sign them when you enter the work force as well. noone is forcing athletes or the rest of us to sign contracts against our will.

>the team “owns” their players unless they retire or get
>traded to another team.

incorrect. it's a business deal where both parties benefit. the team is paying you for your services. the team provides medical care and trainers, pays for your travel, etc. players are not working for free or against their will, they want to be there, because they chose to be there.

i can easily say that my job "owns" me as well, but my boss can't force me to come in to work if i choose not to. same thing applies with athletes.

what choice did any slave from any period in our history have?

>
>imagine coming into work and your boss is like “sorry, you
>work in Milwaukee now, we traded you”
>

plenty of workers are relocated each year.

Like I said, you're not here to discuss the topic
You asked for references...and summarily dismissed them
Now you're arguing with LeBron James...good luck with that.

lebron james is one of the highest paid athletes in history. he's also human, and people have the capacity to say stupid shit, which he does often.

Is that based strictly off game stats/footage from college?


There's plenty of things you can criticize the NFL for (Suppressing data about concussions. The racist methods for calculating compensation for mental damage from said concussions/etc)


I'm not sure what the interview process for that job would look like in an ideal world.

as well as tryouts

Not aurenthere is anything like a combine for soccer, tennis, baseball, basketball..

imagine gold having a combine? walk these 18 holes my dude.. how fast can you get out
of a bunker without sand all in your shoes?

>as well as tryouts
>

that's what a combine is.

we're going to see if you have what it takes to play on our team, we're going to look at your physical attributes, and test your skills.

how is that not a try out? lol

jokes dont hit when auto correct is incorrect

as well as tryouts

Not aurenthere is anything like a combine for soccer, tennis, baseball, basketball..

imagine gold having a combine? walk these 18 holes my dude.. how fast can you get out
of a bunker without sand all in your shoes?

its not as much of a show as the NFL's but nothing is as much of a show as the NFL

soccer is one never-ending combine

baseball i have no idea.

Its like when people were saying "I don't see how any of that should be a concern. He's rich and free" to news of Lebron's house being spray-painted with a slur.

This can’t have been the first place you saw that comparison made, unless you don’t pay attention to sports oriented activists before.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>This can’t have been the first place you saw that
>comparison made, unless you don’t pay attention to sports
>oriented activists before.
>
>Peace,
>
>Spirit (Alan)
>http://wutangbook.com

It’s such a minimal piece of the six episode season and pretty well explained as a metaphor. Nothing you have said here indicates to me that you watched the episode in question, let alone the whole season. Try watching it first, then comment

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

hasn’t said one word about the rest of the show

dude is obviously here to deflect and prolly booed him for kneeling.

perhaps it's a whitlock bot

old
https://nypost.com/2017/09/06/jason-whitlock-finds-new-low-in-crusade-against-kaepernick/

new
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1455304901307871235

https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/jack-brewer-rips-evil-colin-kaepernick-over-netflix-documentary/

https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/colin-kaepernick-compares-nfl-tactics-to-slavery-in-netflix-special/


It must be a law of physics that white comfort will force its way to the center of any scenario.

if my lil cousin had any sort of attention span i'd have him check this out. 14 or 15 seems about the target for this.

So I came in skeptical but when I saw the first scene the hate is very overblown an if you saw the show and that's your only take away than shame on you.

The fact is a combine is very much like a slave auction block. Yeah there are important differences but we should all acknowledge that older white guys physically examining young black men for their physical prowess to decide whether to hire them for their team is gross. You can argue it might be necessary and important part of drafting players but its still pretty gross.

And that's all that was highlighted in the opening. It was a very specific comparison that is accurate.

But besides that the AI and hair stuff had a brother almost in tears. It brought back a lot of memories. Like all that stuff is a given and we don't think about now and it looks crazy to see how much hair cuts was a big deal at the time.

Also that idea of knowing some shit is racist and wrong but not being able to put into words or express it or feeling powerless to do anything about it?!? Felt.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and being forced to wear a mask is like the Holocaust

yet somehow comparing the combine to slavery is just too much for them to grasp..

and yes, hair was a big deal in basketball in HS. I started braiding my hair in the 10th grade and coaches were furious. They also implemented a dress code on game day.

and when we called them on it they would get so indignant and outraged.

there was so much in his story that Black athletes can relate to while growing up.

I still remember my first pee wee football game. I ran the ball down to the GL. The coach called 4 straight plays for the white fullback and we didn’t score. We were hot. I remember my best friend slamming his helmet in disgust after that 4th down play because he was the best RB on our team.

and that same white fullback is a gotdamn trump supporter in Florida who was ARRESTED for impersonating a doctor a few years ago.