It was bad when Bros did it, and it is bad when Dem apologists do it.

Most people in here understand your point- that Manchin, Sinema, and probably a few others are theoretical roadblocks.

Its easy to claim that and call us all idiots- but it isn't helpful nor is it even addressing the issue.

At the end of the day, those senators are DEMOCRATS.

So when a thread is started about what DEMOCRATS should do to avoid getting curb stomped, some of us responded.


This- by default- included all DEMOCRATS.

If you prefer we rephrase that if all DEMOCRATS INCLUDING MANCHIN don't want to get curb stomped, they should do A, B, C.

But I think most of us figured that is implied.

And if Manchin and Sinema want to keep a fraction of the power they yield right now, they should probably help make sure the Dems keep the senate- rather than actively work against their own party.



And, yes, it is abso-fucking-lutely on Dem leadership that those bozos aren't on board.

As part of their job is to coordinate a unified agenda. To lead.

GOP would not let a slim majority stop them.

And the GOP will absolutely nuke the filibuster if they need to next time.


So yeah man, this is on Chuck and Joe. Damn straight.

Whatever it takes to get them on board. I'm sure this is not the first time in the history of the country that a party had to get a couple moderates on board.

Raging pandemic. 1/6. Roe gutted. Voting suppression bills. Literal bodies piling up.

And very little from the Dems.

Instead, we have Biden telling folks need to "out-organize" voter suppression laws that mostly impact BLACK voters.

So, its on the very same voters and organizations that gave Dems their narrow majorities against all odds to come up with a way to do it for them again!??

Oh and they are trying to raise money off it. Perfectly Dem.


You love to clown the Bernie Bros- and I do too. But a big part of the clowning is how they make any and every excuse in the book for their side- never admitting faults, and ultimately, personally attacking folks who point them out.

That blind loyalty, agenda-fueled shit.


This is what you are doing in here.


Democrats- yes including Manchin, etc- are about to get fucking stomped if they don't do more.

If Biden, Chuck, etc can't get their party together...then its going to be fucking lights out.


Guys like you just making excuses for them and attacking anyone who dare question them aren't helping them.

Pretending things aren't about to get bad- or pretending Dems are helpless to stop it- only makes the situation worse.


We are only months away from a literal fucking attempted coupe, and we have dudes in here "b b b b but Manchin!"

FOH man.