Its an epidemic of rappers killing each other which isn't news or new but is hella sad

This permutation of it tho...just overboard.

Comparison

Yea you would have people getting beat up/stabbed but you didn't have people DYING at the rate they currently are

This current trend of trying make the most disrespectful tracks about your dead Opps as possible is a recipe for disaster

Are these fools even signed to labels?

For a song (“Who I Smoke”) that is taunting by name and mocking the deaths of a bunch of murdered children, then getting self-righteous about people who criticized her for it. SMH.

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They have zero fear of an afterlife in hell, not enough to give even a pause.

>They have zero fear of an afterlife in hell, not enough to
>give even a pause.

behind a ton of the shootings last summer in Brooklyn

Social media just sets the fire burning hotter because dudes shoot and then taunt, and the pressure is put on the target of that to respond.

The fact that there is real money behind the success of new songs that include direct reference to victims of violence kind of reinforces the negative trend.

Though I feel like I've been seeing a lot of articles of crime stories that begin with "Rapper wanted for X shooting"


Edit: Did a quick google search and see that its one gang called ATK vs. another gang called KTA and all I can think of was this:


https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/4d/Bele_and_Lokai.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081215234656&path-prefix=en


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

into this stuff is Trap Lore Ross

Annoying as fuck, but really well informed and does a huge amount of research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyIO3B5EFpM

It's long as fuck, but work is slow. Watched half yesterday, gonna finish it today.

Thanks for posting that.

I put my dude onto the Brooklyn Woo vs Choo / Drill rap vid and he put me onto the Jacksonville vid but I haven't watched yet

reviewing these types of matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhC1zrIgRZE

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/rise-and-grind-yungeen-ace-speaks-on-jacksonville-rap-beef-and-favorite-king-von-memory-news.134871.html

So they made a song mocking and claiming to have killed several people they named in the song?!?!

Tupac didn't even go that hard.


These kids ain't going to make it.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfGgeddAc4

I was like, these young boys got a good sense of humor. Had no idea that they were dancing on real graves.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Some video editor made that title in after effects, so it could pop up and emphasize the name of the real murdered black child whose death they’re celebrating— “Bibby”. (Aces friend and frequent musical collaborator Ksoo is facing trial for this murder).

And Vanessa Carlton licensed the sample for the song, and is presumably making royalties off the pain this is inflicting on those young men’s families, while her Twitter profile continues to read, yep, BLM.

King Von for example was a flat out serial killer who rapped as a hobby

but once you dig even slightly deeper you realize how sinister the spirit behind this (and alot of other songs by some of these young dudes) song is. there were virtually 100 shootings in chicago over 4th of july wknd...these lil dudes are possessed by demons.

>I was like, these young boys got a good sense of humor. Had
>no idea that they were dancing on real graves.
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

On the other hand, the cartels south of the border BEEN on this already.

Other than the beat, I can't see what would be the appeal . It seems too personal/specific.

Like are people singing along with the chorus saying the dead folks names and everything?

There wasn’t much that was relatable about that. The vicious stuff about Tim Dog and Eazy was appealing to my 12 year old self because of how real and vibrant it was, even tho I didn’t know about the subjects. It endeared me to the narrator because somehow that outre machismo felt liberating.

Those diss tracks were more like watching two people roasting each other. It's entertaining to see who can make the best diss even if you don't know the people involved.

This is on a whole different level. I'm just imagining a club playing this song with the DJ dropping the beat out and the crowd yelling some dead kid's name smh

And they were actually rapping.

This is more like being an asshole over a beat than rapping. Their “flows” (if you can call them that) are terrible. It’s like they can’t hear the beat.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/entertainment/music/yungeen-ace-julio-foolio-jacksonville-rappers-rival-groups-atk-kta-in-deadly-beef-who-i-smoke-when-i-see-you/77-6d993faa-b014-4d8c-99be-de8d9fcdb948

https://www.complex.com/music/jacksonville-rap-explosive-rise/

"smoking on a ________ pack" is?
That shit upsetting people is wild to me.
If ya'll don't gtfoh with this lame ass, imaginary ass, metaphor posing as a supreme disrespect.

don't have to try THAT hard to get their friends/family upset

maybe I should place more of the blame on the people using this lame ass dis.

Hey, I'm smoking this blunt and I'm gonna pretend that what I'm actually smoking is my dead rival, that's hard, right?

After Pac/Biggie died, the hip-hop community was adamant that something like that should and would never happen again.

High profile rap beefs after that (Jay/Nas, Game/50, Cam/JJ) never even had a hint of turning violent for real.

Now cats are getting smoked like it's no thang. It's almost expected. It's troubling.

Did the oldheads drop the ball?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

I bet this kids don't know nothing about the biggie - tupac beef.

It would be nice to see an OG step up and make these boys sit down and squash the beef.

Uncle Luke? Rick Ross? IDK.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

ANYBODY can be a musician now.

the 'community' has is way better than it used to be and no way to gatekeep on street shit. not that there every really was.

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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

....why the oldheads let it get like this?

Same as violence happening in the neighborhood. People complain and cry about it, but don't know where their kids are on a school night.

This shit ain't croppin' up outta nowhere. No OG's to be found?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

these kids arent part of a "music scene"

They all have OGs. The question is whether they are imprisoned or not.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>After Pac/Biggie died, the hip-hop community was adamant that
>something like that should and would never happen again.
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THAT hip hop community is over 40. They aren't these 12-18 yr olds currently out here getting it.

Social Media was a paradigm shift for the hood.

Anyone remember the digital divide? that shit is long gone. Smart Phones leap frogged that whole thang but w/o a roadmap.

We can't act like violence is worse than the 90s. But it is extremely more visible. While reading up on this a cop made a good point.

Social media and rap songs are the new graffiti...

One of Game’s people got shot

Proof and Royce got physical.

Pretty sure I’m forgetting a lot of random beefs. I don’t think anything ever settled down, personally

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

Violence brings notoriety.

More clicks & views...more money.

Not rocket science.

And if it takes killing or dying or life in prison well nobody really cares that much

It’s a thorny issue as I’m loathe to ever censor music or free expression. It’s still fuck C. Delores Tucker…. But aren’t these guys encouraging/threatening violence in as direct a way as possible?

Think about it, if there was a youtube video, that wasn't a song, bragging and mocking the murder of a 16 year old, it would b taken down in a heartbeat.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

lawsuit from the families of the legit deceased parties they're mentioning.

gang members, drug dealers and everyday people have been killing each other over money, turf, women or (perceived) disrespect since forever

rapping about it isnt comfortable or "okay", but a percentage of black Americans are in survival mode facing a socioeconomic crisis, and that's a bigger issue than songs about it

hell, the crunk era was practically commanding niggas to harm each other

these cities are warzones and it aint old niggas like us leading the crusades. i read something that said ny hasnt seen these crime rates in decades

Last year was when everything was nuts

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

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My students have literally fought and been murdered outside of school over these dumb ass rap beefs, which are tied to neighborhood beefs as well. I lose about two to three students per year to murder. Another four to five to prison. Our school only has about 120 per year on average.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

those are kinda the only 2 options

>those are kinda the only 2 options


here are two more options:

- "you're old and panicking" applied equally across the board to a guy typing about it and a guy in the eye of the storm

- "you're old and panicking" just applied to people only typing about it and you're being as lame/bored as Buddy Gilapogos trying to get replies out of me

I cant lie im fairly certain this will be my last year teaching here. Ive done five years and my brain feels its done its part. Its tapped out from the stress of it.

the patience of dealing with parents, policies, and enough kids that just won't do right is more than more folks can stand.

folks used to tell me I'd make a great teacher. once my kids started school, I realized I ain't built for that at all.

https://youtu.be/yqf_1xxrXAc

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

https://www.complex.com/music/father-of-jacksonville-rapper-ksoo-will-testify-against-son-murder-trial

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it's a lot more complicated than "good"
He brought them dudes into the street life.

Maybe not 90. But 3 separately felonies that could each have 30 year sentences.

NY has passed (or is passing a law) that wouldn't allow courts to look at rap lyrics in a trial.

https://www.thefader.com/2022/05/18/new-york-senate-rap-lyrics-in-court


I get that when it comes to like general boasting and shit talking that goes in rap lyrics. Way to prejudicial.

But if someone is getting sentenced for murdering someone and there is a song where that same person is bragging about the murder or laughing at their death, I think that's something that should be taken into consideration.

Meaning if there is something specific that is stated in the lyrics that are relevant, it should be allowed.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

have their chats over an instrumental now.

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