https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mON6_EQfQFI

nope it didn't hit me over the head but will I keep it in rotation ...

yep

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but I wonder if the grown man raps is just not the vibe for white dudes.

I mean, the track is a bit sleepy but these are old heads. Not some tear the club up shit. As an old back packer who “made it” to adulthood and 401K’s and investments and shit..

“I dig man.. I dig” - Varnell Hill

or ignorance? cuz that's just a terrible assumption.

i LOVED Kings Disease. Jay smoked his track w/ Nip on Judas & The Black Messiah.

has nothing to do with whiteness OR grown man raps. this shit just ain't good. lot's of Black people in here saying the same.

we still kew tho.

These dudes just continue to dilute their legacy with “trying to hard” lyricism.

I give them props for their business acumen, because both have made some
great investments to grow their wealth.

But musically?

I’ve never been a Jay fan, but at least the beats were hitting. And Nas just sounds
and facially looks bloated.

They are like champions who are not hungry anymore because
they’ve gotten fat. Hip hop is about keeping shit simple and kicking
fresh rhymes. This is why Kool Keith is still relevant, even though he has
been in the game for over 35 years!

Just rhyme... no one cares about your taste in art or crypto investment.

you're not completely wrong about your Nas takes.....

.......but you just said Kool Keith is still relevant.

chill.

This song was cool enough, nothing that's going to set the world on fire

Make sure you peep the rock Marciano joint he did.

And he recently did a troll record making fun of mumble rappers ...

You will love this.

https://youtu.be/NHAUFzQyS2E

Kool Keith not too long ago blessed one of the illest tracks with
Roc Marciano. Come to the abyss and stop listening to the radio.

There is a lot of dope underground you’re not aware of.

https://youtu.be/KQX_GVSq1Dg

Imagine what you’re saying as an adult. You get into these personal attacks for
no reason at all.

No one was even talking to you, and as usual you pop up with
personal attacks that make no sense.

Personally says a lot.


I was responding to Promo, and then you popped up with 1980s
personal attacks.

.

https://youtu.be/4HWIQSwYVxs

After his next rant, I was going to ask how many zirconia bezel Rolexes he owns.

Two more rounds of this and it would have been set and I would have pointed out that he's clearly not that much of a Kool Keith fan, and is just on some dated backpacker nerd shit.

It was to be a thing of petty message board beauty.

EDIT WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME

But you can never tell with him. He is known for that.

If it were anyone else, it would have been different.

Kes onut you can never tell with him. He is known for that.

Known for what? Telling people they live in mom's basement? I don't think so.

Telling you that you have really stupid takes on things?
Because I'm nowhere close to being alone in that.

Pointing out that you have a tendency toward supporting white power structures? I'll Be Dat (c)

Known for... Mildly trolling you for a minute with "shut up"?

Known for...defending you when people say you're the reason this site is dead? Because I was definitely in a very small group for that

>If it were anyone else, it would have been different.

Please. If the roles were reversed, I'd have openly taken the L.

And had you caught on and done the same... What, exactly, do you think my response would have been?

Because it was very clearly a joke that I assumed that you'd have caught. Since you didn't, I did another.

You're being melodramatic.

And it's fucking hilarious coming from Mr. YOU DON'T KNOW REAL HIP HOP gatekeeper

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

>

I'm not saying Keith don't have bars....but he kinda been spitting the same bars just in multiple ways for the past 25 years....

And i'm not a Jay Z "fan"....but I haven't heard a Jay Z track that was less than stellar since probably the early aughts...

I for one appreciate mature raps....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

that.

Ultra Magnetic MCs
Black Elvis
Dr.Octagon

I bet you got one of those DEFAULT top 5 hip hop lists:

Nas
Biggie
Jay
Pac,,etc

When did you start listening to hip hop, during the jiggy era?

Lol.

Stay where you are,fam. Stay where you are.

You hear that most recent LB album yet?

I’m feeling like you may be just as much in one of those boxes that you’re trying to make fun of.

That would be Conway. His latest shit I have on repeat and is the best album
of 2021 TO ME.

That shit is sickness. Like it’s real real hip hop. And it got beats!

Too many cats rhyming over shit with no beats ...I think that style has run
it’s course. Conway bringing boom bap back.

Big Ghost is killing the game right now....probably the best beat maker at this point.
That’s what I’ve been listening to the most.. almost all his projects. Beats are insane.
UFO FEV FT? Shittttt.
Not feeling Skyzoo. Don’t like his flow or sound. It’s not wack. Just doesn’t hit me.

I’m not up on EVERYTHING. But shit that I like I check for. I’m the type to listen to
the same album over and over like back in the day. So like I said ,I got Conway on
repeat until I’m ready to move on to something else.

No Sky though? Damn.

He isn’t wack. I’m just not into his style. It doesn’t move me.

that isn't even disputable.

He is the father of a style. Nas is the son of a style.

Who do you think gave birth to MF Doom, Deltron 3030, even Roc
Marciano was influenced by Kool Keith

Kool Keith has multiple personifications in hip hop that were GROUNDBREAKING
He created a whole different genre of hip hop.

Nas still wearing shiny suits and pump fades!

Your brain is a seed and like a bird I go peck,peck. Lol

Please, tell us more.

On sweet white baby jesus, you're fucking precious.

Because you're deadass serious right now.
You mean every word you say.

And I'm here for all of it.

This is that good performance art.
Real, high quality Method shit.

Keep guarding those gates!

cause you sound dumb as fuck

please let us know the last time kook Keith dropped something?

and real talk.. no disrespect to Kool Keith but he was the white bro fav back in my college days.

He is on Roc Marciano’s latest album with one of the illest tracks,
still sounding dope as hell. Jay and Nas wish they could still sound like that.


https://youtu.be/KQX_GVSq1Dg

Do research before your respond and follow others. Stay on the sidelines
if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

If you want more recent material, go search.

Kool Keith still putting in mad hip hop work ...35 years
good strong.

Smh.

this is hilarious

Nas looks facially bloated?

Fuck point you even trying to make yo?

LOL

Dude said Kool Keith.

So you relate to scientific nonsense and raps about being a gynecologist more than you relate to investments?

Sounds like a you problem.

I’m with Cold Truth on this one.

Get out yo Moms basement son.

Naw, I’m for the guy who helped create the conscience/scientific era. I’m for the
guy who started rhyming when NAS was in grade school popping jacks.
He is the creator of the offbeat rhyme flow.

I’m for the guy who has been rhyming for over 35 years and still has bars
and making quality material.


Im for the guy who created multiple styles and genres that many rappers
bit from.

it's fine if you like Kool Keith.

what's striking a nerve is saying he's "still relevant."

him doing a verse on Roc Marciano's album isn't "relevance."

He just recently made a record with Roc Marciano.

No Diss, just because you’re not up ,it’s cool.

And what I mean by lyrically relevant, is he is still out here
making records and rhyming with current MCs, and still
sounding fresh.

I posted the “Broadway Billy” joint that he did. Check it out.

ALso, he just dropped a single, and his new album “Keith’s Salon”
is dropping in the summer.

https://urbanbridgez.com/2021/04/26/kool-keith-drops-new-single-extravagance-keiths-salon-coming-in-june/


This guy has been rhyming since 1985, and is still dropping that ill offbeat flow!!

than EVERYONE else.

at that point there's no reason to even discuss it.

Dude just on here to read himself typing at this point

It’s cool that you’re not aware.

Kool Keith has always been underground with a huge cult following,
which is still relevant today.

He was on SWAY last year freestyling with some shit he just wrote,
and look at the people who were following.

https://youtu.be/-4rrdW1BqCU

This dude is still doing tours, writing rhymes, and making records.
He was on one of the hottest underground albums last year, MT. Marci,
by one of the hottest MCs in the game right now.

Underground cats ain’t listening to Nas or Jay. They are listening to Roc, Griselda,
Stovegod, etc, and through them they are hearing Kool Keith. That’s staying relevant.

A whole new generation is hearing his rhymes and styles.

And you didn’t now that.

SMH.

LOL..."dude just say you're not up"...LOL

If we did a Griselda fans/Kool Keith fans Venn Diagram, there wouldn’t be a whole lot in the middle.

And staying relevant through exposure. It’s not about who has more fans.

It’s about constantly reinventing yourself and staying on the scene.

Name me a MC who started rhyming in the early 80s ,who is not only still rhyming
,but is doing records with top MCs? And not only still rhyming but still
sounding fresh.

Name me?

Kool Keith is like 50+ years old still rhyming on relevant records

You better believe that are some young individuals being influenced
by his rhymes that we might hear about years later.


The argument isn’t about who has more fans...The argument is about
Kool Keith still being relevant....and he is very much so still keeping
himself relevant and still sounding FRESH.

lol at trying to start some underground vs. “jiggy” beef in 2021.

Ain’t shit on Kings disease or this Jay shit seeing
kool Keith/master ace joint from last year.

https://youtu.be/lvgquZs1TYA

Right now, today, who sounds fresher?

Keith at 50 years olds sounds fresher and doper....at 50, B
Still kicking rhymes

..all time though?? I'll take Keith over Jay-Z ..far more interesting character and better MC during the years that mattered more

like Sci-Fi/Horror movies

I listen to Keith's music WAY more than I do Nas, and think overall he's more entertaining. He's a Cult favorite

Yeah Nas is way more well known, has more mainstream hits and probably has less weak material in his catalog

Quality control is NOT Keith's strong point, he put out a lot of shit that probably should have stayed on his hard drive

But he's still had a staggering amount of moments of excellence across almost 5 decades now

I’m debating people don’t like that weird shit.

I’m just generally amazed at people who like weird shit being surprised other people think it’s weird shit.

Honestly, why even bring Kool Keith into a discussion about Nas in 2021?

This shit ain’t that hard to figure out.

Dude said Nas was bloated in the face. What does that even mean?

LOL

>Nas looks facially bloated?
>
>Fuck point you even trying to make yo?
>
>LOL
>
>Dude said Kool Keith.
>
>So you relate to scientific nonsense and raps about being a
>gynecologist more than you relate to investments?
>
>Sounds like a you problem.
>
>I’m with Cold Truth on this one.
>
>Get out yo Moms basement son.

"scientific nonsense" smh it's abstract art.

and the rhymes were'nt BAD

what are you talking about boy?

these dudes are old and rich.

those were old rich raps by two of our greatest on a pop track.

it's about a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

what they sposed to rap about?

love seein godson flex on 'em

and by "this" I mean, put something out that's portrayed as an Event with a capital E but that's only mediocre.

Magna Carta, Suit and Tie with Timberlake, etc. It's always like "can you believe how special I am and how special this is?" and it's like C+ music

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

Aka every single release since the Black album, minus WTT which was actually a stellar project



>and by "this" I mean, put something out that's portrayed as
>an Event with a capital E but that's only mediocre.
>
>Magna Carta, Suit and Tie with Timberlake, etc. It's always
>like "can you believe how special I am and how special this
>is?" and it's like C+ music

>

I never really got into 444 but I probably should give it some more spins, I didnt NOT like it. It just kinda came and went

Short and to the point. No ID knocked the production out of the park. "Smile" is one of Jay's all time best songs IMO.

Agree with everything u said

didn’t hear any buzz about this dropping

For the first Nas/Jay collab since 2007 ? I expected something way way way better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojjNjkOUmlM

glad to see those guys on their grown man and able to chop it up.



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Jay’s smile lookin like he finally passing his favorite teacher’s class

Great to see those two genuinely chopping it up.

I will say I think this is the first of their collabs where I felt like Jay had the better verse. Nas murked him on the first two. And Jay wasn't weak on either of those songs either, for the record. It's just that Nas was (and usually is) on another level.

But I think Jay got this one.

One way or the other, this video is great. Two legends giving love. Gave me chills.

those shots of him looking at the camera dope AF

heyyyyyy 😊

Song is just kind of... blah.

And Khaled's presence on songs continues to be just annoying.

They are on a record with DJ Khalid that’s boring, with weak lyrical content,
and way over the top by constantly looking into the camera. They are trying
way too hard to stay lyrically relevant.

Clearly they are doing it for the money only at this stage.

>Song is just kind of... blah.
>
>And Khaled's presence on songs continues to be just annoying.

.

>.

sleepy time.

By far.

“Worst enemies wanna be my best friends
Best friends wanna be enemies like that's what's in”

Jay asks for a feature and this dude drops this line...lol

>“Worst enemies wanna be my best friends
>Best friends wanna be enemies like that's what's in”
>
>Jay asks for a feature and this dude drops this line...lol

I was listening to "Life is Good" the other day. And I loved that album in the moment but I've taken it for granted ever since haha. Played it so much then, that I didn't listen to it front to back for a long time.

He was on a lyrical tear on that album. "Nasty" is just insane.

"Past nasty, now I'm gross or repulsive
talk money, is you jokin'?
cash everywhere, in my bank, in the sofa
in the walls, in the cars, in my wallet, in my pocket, on the floors
ceilin', the safe, bitch, I got it
you envy, but don't offend me
I'm skinny but still I'm too big for a Bentley
you are your car, what could represent me ?"

Whole song is a nightmare lol.

1 Nasty
2 Back When
3 The Don
4 Queens Story
5 Loco-Motive
6 Black Bond
7 Roses
8 Daughters
9 You Wouldn’t Understand
10 Where’s The Love
11 Stay
12 Cherry Wine
13 Bye Baby

That right there...smh

A fucking problem

I’m talking flawless classic

That second verse on Where’s The Love...

I agree that I think we all rocked that album in the moment but took it for granted

Nas is someone we tend to define by his lows as opposed to his highs

So all I see people say is “Summer On Smash” is trash

*shrugs”

and still make decent music

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

slow it down even more with lazy drums and a lazy bass line, AND the vibe of the beat doesn’t fit what the song is talking about at all?

If they are gonna spit about topics like this it needed to have a Watch the Throne type of triumphant stadium rap feel. This ain’t it...

>slow it down even more with lazy drums and a lazy bass line,
>AND the vibe of the beat doesn’t fit what the song is
>talking about at all?
>
>If they are gonna spit about topics like this it needed to
>have a Watch the Throne type of triumphant stadium rap feel.
>This ain’t it...

So where’s your track homie?

Damn...I don’t even like this track like that but the critiques y’all are coming with are suspect as shit.

How you gonna tell these two legends and super successful MCs and businessmen what their vibe should be?

I keep hearing the word lazy thrown around here like a single one of y’all could produce something better.

Not to mention, if I had a billi, I’d be on some super chill lounge mode all fucking day which I’m sure you’d be calling “lazy”.

performance, it’s that they don’t match each other.

As for the rest of what you said - this is OKP. We posting opinions. If you like the song, that’s great. I actually like the bars Nas and Jay spit here, but I don’t think this beat is the right fit for it.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

How long would it take y’all to create something equal?

The time I would guess would be the opposite of lazy.

..compare it to the upper 50% of Nas & Jay's music ..it's instantly forgettable besides the fact that they rarely collaborate. ...remember these guys (not Khalid) have made GREAT songs ..this one however is toilet bowl status ...and its not just the beat, they both sound bored as fuck to be there

I’m just telling people with zero musical talent, lazy is not a word they should be using to define something they couldn’t do themselves.

Generic...cool

Boring...cool

Uninspired...cool

But believe someone put time and effort into producing and mixing that.

Maybe you don’t like it...that’s cool.

I don’t like Drake and think his shit sucks and lyrics are fucking wack...but I wouldn’t call him lazy at all.

release, but get out of here with "zero musical talent". My degree is in music (jazz studies, performance and improvisation). I've done sound engineering, production, taught lessons, and I play several instruments myself. Up until the pandemic I was doing 100-150 gigs a year.

Again - none of that matters, because this is a freaking message board. We're posting opinions here.

In my opinion, the drums and the bass line on this is lazy. Why? Because if you're going to redo a sample, ESPECIALLY redoing a sample for a song featuring the original artist, then you need to do something different with it to justify why it's being reused. The only thing different on this is that the sample is looped even slower than the original, already laid back song. That contributes to the sleepy, lazy vibe it has. Go listen to the instrumental of Song Cry and then listen to this back to back. Listen to the difference in how the drums hit. These drums sound like defaults from a drum sample pack that haven't been iso'd, separately EQ'd, etc. On the original Just Blaze layered the clap and snare hits separately, and you can hear throughout the song when he takes one of the other away. Adds depth and character to the track. I could go on and on but it's a waste of time.

There you go...much better than saying “lazy”

And as I said, I don’t even like the song so I’m trying to defend it.

But this thread is a bit out of control.

And I still disagree with you or anyone trying to tell them what the vibe of the song should be.

...lazy, minimal effort, whatever ..it sounds like a song nobody cared about making

There's a lot of shit I feel is lazy, and sometimes that's a valid critique.

I do think that people take for granted the effectiveness of simplicity in hip hop, because so much great material exists on the strength of two bar loops. I like some beats where it sounds like they're going all out,

Moreover, what may come across as lazy can be anything but.

I remember people raking Just Blaze over the coals for supposedly doing a straight loop for Song Cry. But come to find out, he used like 60 chops on that beat to get it to sound that way.

But even if what he did was take a loop and lace some drums on top, so be it, because the end result was a thing of beauty. I see a bit too much emphasis placed on how much a producer does or doesn't do sometimes.

Yeah, we can give points for all kinds of shit, deep cuts for sample sources (everyone wanted the source for Nas Is Like for fuckin ever), creative chops and whatnot, but at that proverbial end of the proverbial day... Was it dope?

And, from a producer's standpoint, I have some issues with this.

Particularly the bass, both the line and the sound of it clashes to me. The sample itself is so lush that it warrants more dynamic percussion choices, maybe a reverb-drenched clap on every 8th snare or whatever. In my mind, this is less than what it could have been, production wise- but that's not my "fan" brain talking. That's my producer brain talking.

It's nitpicking, just me daydreaming about what I would do with it, even as I'm sitting on god knows how many unfinished/unpolished beats that could be but won't until/unless I decide I'm all the way in on it.

And either way, the next person likely won't have any issue whatsoever with those elements of the beat. Clearly two of the GOATS didn't have an issue with those element, so who the fuck am I? The meat of the beat still goes for me.

But still, we all hear what we hear, in the way that we hear it. I don't necessarily begrudge someone who sees it as lazy if that's their honest take, but I don't think that take washes out.

Iidly just doing this for the check.at's what this song is about.
That's the entire point of it.

"I’m from the ghetto, what location? Two seconds from the Devil"

On down to Jay:

"Overlookin' the City of Angels, the angel invested in things
Unprecedented run
Everybody's gettin' bands, we just dance to different drums
I like who I've become"

This isn't about flossing
They're not showing off here

The real sins here are that the hook sucks- it's lazy and generic despite being the central theme of the song. and the bass is too loud in the mix.

Someone above said they're clearly just doing this for the check, which us nuts. They get that check because they do this.

And if your know *anything* about them- or, just listening to this song- it's clear that they don't exactly need whateve bag they'll get from this. This isn't Nicholas Cage (and De Niro, it seems) saying yes to everything because they'll go broke if they don't.


Lyrically they ramble a bit. Ok. I hate the hook.
But as far as a "sleepy beat", lmao. That's a soulful track, not a "sleepy" one. And it's solid, if unspectacular. But sleepy? Kick rocks.

IMO there's far too much shitting on this for the sake of doing it.

A lot of people have moved kn to other rappers with other sounds. Their style isn't current.
Etc.

But I think the criticism in here is far too heavy relative to the quality of the content, and I think the point of this song has been skewed toward something arrogant or braggadocius. It isn't.

For Jay z, this is the typical candy coated rap music to expect

However for Nas , I believe there is usually a higher expectation

the instrumental is too reminiscent of "song cry" for my taste. sounds like a tory lanez version of a song that sounds like "song cry" if that makes sense to anyone. nas' flow is all over the place. he just doesn't know what to do over these "slower" modern beats. calling yourself the scarface of crypto is corny. forgettable verse from jay. i agree with tiger wood's assessment that this is supposed to be a giant event but is more underwhelming than anything

the most frustrating thing about khaled is that he is forever teetering on self-parody but never quite tips over because he is this weird combination of earnest and self-aware. this means i can't enjoy his music ironcially, which is what i truly want out of khaled's music at this point in his career

>the most frustrating thing about khaled is that he is forever
>teetering on self-parody but never quite tips over because he
>is this weird combination of earnest and self-aware. this
>means i can't enjoy his music ironcially, which is what i
>truly want out of khaled's music at this point in his career

.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You take some Elders Statesman of a Genre and give them a familiar beat and a platform to do what they do best. This joint is fiyah.

DJ Khaled - WHERE YOU COME FROM (Official Video) ft. Buju Banton, Capleton, Bounty Killer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1fqh_gmcDU


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

well played.

someone touched on it in this post

I just can't

He was able to bring Jay and Nas on a track and that's great and all .... but meh..

As it was said, I'm just happy to see our legends come together and get on a song...

I'm all for the grown up raps.. but the music behind it needs to be grown too..

Khaled is out here like a teenager.. still making announcements and shit

Drake and co. seems more his lane..

I don't know, I'm just talking shit..

nxgga sitcho ass DOWN

made me laugh for some reason

At this point does he even bother to re-record himself screaming "We Da Best Music...Another One" each time he does a new song or has he just been sampling himself the last 5 years

we got 2 legends on the same song...

give them some breathing room..

and give them a proper grown ass beat..

Who ever does Rick Ross beats, he should be able to cake off of grown folks rap...

I'm getting old too and I need something to relate..

we need to do better.. I know this is new to hip hop (we getting old) but dammit we can't be out here acting like we don't have any sense

a lot of us matured... lol


@silentintellect

to make songs with features have the epic, event feel worthy of a rare combo of artists. Just listen to Maybach Music 1 through 6.


>Who ever does Rick Ross beats, he should be able to cake off
>of grown folks rap...

...that shit will get turned the fuck off so fast "ANoThA Won!" FOH

@silentintellect