I mean, the CDC never really advocated for wearing masks in the streets right?

Bonus Question: Predict when 1.) 80%+ people don't wear masks on the street and 2.) when requirements to wear masks indoors go away.

Poll question: We really need to wear masks while walking down the street?

Poll result (25 votes) Yes! (2 votes) Vote No! (10 votes) Vote Probably not but what's the harm? (13 votes) Vote

i haven't even had my yearly cold since i've been wearing masks

like, i don't think its something to go off on people for *not* doing, but the level of pettiness and anger over something that is should just be seen as considerate is legit weird.

That's kind of amazing. I do think I may never ride a train again without a mask.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I do think I may never ride a train
>again without a mask.
>
>

Hasn't it been settled that a mask is helpful in stopping things from spreading out of your body, but does nothing for preventing stuff from coming in?

I only got sick one time in 2020 and that was because my mom had Covid and I think my hypochondria got to me lol. haven't been sick in 2021 yet.



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That is absolutely mind boggling to think about. Not a single cold. Nothing. My sick days have turned into mental health days where i get to just chill and relax.

>i haven't even had my yearly cold since i've been wearing
>masks

between the mask and getting some workout stuff for the crib, i aint been sick since winter '19. only keeping my membership to hoop when that opens back up.

definitely gonna continue with the mask indoors.

One of my favorite little things to keep an eye on as a restaurant/bar worker, especially as the weather's been getting nicer, vaccines are rolling out and people are just getting tired of distancing but clearly did NOT build a muscle memory of being in public, is people's mask etiquette.

Walking up to a server or bartender with a mask on then removing it to ask a relevant question is a particularly wild move, only beat by walking up to a bartender/server with a mask in their hand and asking "do you want me to wear this?"

But the move I really get a kick out of that is FAR more frequent than you'd ever think it would be is people getting up from their table, being all in a good mood and walking through the restaurant/bar without their mask, or fishing for it in their purse/coat, putting it on as they walk out the door and then walking down the street with it on.

I'm vaccinated and lost my patience for people in general about 3 months ago when it was still cold and people started treating them like mouth gloves or something and taking them off the moment they stepped into a building and you realized they'd started thinking of the masks like a baklava or something instead of a health tool but something about the walking through a crowded, indoor space and putting your mask on AS YOU LEAVE still really tweaks something in me.

TL;DR people that are all nonchalant and kissing babies indoors then putting their mask on as they walk outside are my new favorite level of stupid.

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>I mean, the CDC never really advocated for wearing masks in
>the streets right?

Only if you were within 6 feet of someone else.

When I hike I don't freak out if someone isn't wearing a mask/covering - but I do it to be polite. Same rules as pants - if you see someone walking toward you then you wear it.


>Bonus Question:

Predict when 1.) 80%+ people don't wear masks
>on the street

*Right now* near the beach no one is wearing a mask.

> and 2.) when requirements to wear masks indoors
>go away.

These SHOULD go away when the virus is no longer spreading in your community. That's NOT right now in the U.S.

On April 21,2021 the U.S. reported 62,919 cases and 720 deaths'.
Last year during the lockdown , say June 12,2020 26,397 cases and 546 deaths - so we're in must worse shape now than during the summer.

So 'll listen to the scientist, but I think when we're under 1,000 cases a day in the U.S. maybe then. Or maybe a hgher number but vaccinations are taken into account.

It won't be this year for everyone.

And if it gets bad then masks come BACK.

But walking by someone for a second is probably not going to give you covid - but once they get too close or you get enclosed or they sneeze its a different risk.

I would 100% have bet that was not the case. Did people just stop giving an ish when Trump was put out of office?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They just haven't gone back down.

See this chart:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102816/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-day/

Or this one:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html


>Did people just stop giving an ish when Trump was put out of office?

People are used to it and no longer afraid - they just ignore the data.

To be fair since the holidays were over - the hospitalization rates is way down, and even a little lower than in June - but we're in NO WAY near the end yet.

If I’m out for a walk and nobody is around I might take it down. I largely have to take it down cause my glasses fog up like fuckin crazy and I can’t see.

When I get proximate to folks I’ll keep it up.

I’ve done so much shit around NYC with a mask on and not felt like my freedom and liberty were at stake. If you think so, you’re the real snowflake.

That said, I am and stay in good shape, so I’m ready.

Like buddy said, I did t get sick this year at all— no sniffles no nothing— so I’m gonna keep on rockin it. Got some dope masks designs to add to my outfits.

When this all started I remember yelling at my mom that masks weren’t helpful after she kept bugging me about wearing one. She’s Thai so she been wearing one for no damn reason (or having one around) for years

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/health/masks-outdoors-need/index.html

This place seems to have changed a lot....

this is perfect for some folk

besides the fact that I don't want to risk covid, there are still plenty of germs in the air, and even if i just avoid a common cold, good. I do pull my mask down when no one is around though.

even if most people stop?

mostly for public transpo. hopefully worn way way less than now though

but then I be thinking, shit...I know how to measure 6-ft....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

i try to gauge how close i'm gonna have to get to folks or how often i'm gonna encounter people.

i'm also that guy who will just cross the street.

probably overreacting but might as well since it can't hurt anything.

and when I take my kids to the park and its crowded

but as long as there is some distance I’m not wearing one.

So when the wife and I go on walks, we keep our masks around our neck but if passing people or we get into a more congested area we put it on - but if someone is across the street or something, we don't bother. I know that's probably more liberal than some get with masks, but we're fully vaxxed and outside so it seems ok?

But yeah - I certainly don't see the harm in doing so. It might do nothing, but it might prevent spread and I'd rather default to the better thing for the community.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/well/live/covid-masks-outdoors.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I really don't understand the logic behind this guidance though.
Why should fully vaccinated folks have to wear masks in places where unvaccinated people shouldn't be (indoor church services for example)?

Another example: attendance will be restricted for Biden's address to Congress. But why restrict it? Aren't they all vaccinated? Does the vaccine work or does it not?

You want to see vaccination rates sky rocket? Tell people you won't have to worry about a mask ever again.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html

>I really don't understand the logic behind this guidance
>though.
>Why should fully vaccinated folks have to wear masks in places
>where unvaccinated people shouldn't be (indoor church services
>for example)?

We can't trust everybody to be responsible so the idea is to protect yourself, within reason. Plus, for those who CANNOT get vaccinated, it gives them an opportunity to potentially participate in indoor activities.

We're going to do a rolling opening like some trendy restaurant lol.

>Another example: attendance will be restricted for Biden's
>address to Congress. But why restrict it? Aren't they all
>vaccinated? Does the vaccine work or does it not?

I'd bet a number of Republicans aren't vaccinated and there are probably support staff who haven't been as well. But I'm sure it'll almost exclusively be Democrats that visibly wear masks.

>You want to see vaccination rates sky rocket? Tell people you
>won't have to worry about a mask ever again.
>
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html

Nah, in our backwards political world, it's validation that this is all just a means to control the people. So the people who don't believe in COVID will just beat their socialism drum harder.

What should be seen as the most minimal, basic, considerate love-thy-neighbor gesture is treated like some kind of sacrifice or hardship, and at worst, attack on 'liberty'

i've never seen so many people whine about something so nothing.

Would i rather not wear a mask than wear a mask? sure, but mask wearing has been the easiest thing in the world.


>You want to see vaccination rates sky rocket? Tell people you
>won't have to worry about a mask ever again.
>
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html

Fucking A!

No one is getting covid from walking down the street and passing people on the street without a mask on.

When we didn't know anything about the virus, it made sense to be extra cautious. Now that we know more about the virus and know, for example, its not being passed by surface area contact, then we can lay off of doing things we were doing out of an abundance of caution.

Last summer the aholes were the people walking around with no masks on, but soon the aholes will be the people screaming at people on the street to put a mask on.

We live in extremes in this country and we got terrible people like Tucker Carlson advocating calling the police on parents who make their kids wear masks. I think we can push back on that without swinging to the other extreme.

I hate that this whole thing got politicized.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i don't think we should be yelling at or shaming people for not wearing masks on the street. especially as things are moving in the opposite direction.

it was more a reply to pimp saying we have to baby people into getting vaccines by making it a trade off for masks.

and really just a general rant about people and masks

>When we didn't know anything about the virus, it made sense to
>be extra cautious. Now that we know more about the virus and
>know, for example, its not being passed by surface area
>contact, then we can lay off of doing things we were doing out
>of an abundance of caution.


virus can live on surfaces for a period of time...

wearing seatbelts became a law in Michigan, several of his fellow firefighters (conservatives of course) who had been wearing seatbelts STOPPED wearing them, because the government was telling them to do so. Firefighters who were first responders for auto accidents, and knew first hand the difference between wearing a seatbelt and not.

And seatbelts are about protecting yourself, not others. A lot of folks on the right get triggered at the mere thought of "personal liberties" being "taken away".

>What should be seen as the most minimal, basic, considerate
>love-thy-neighbor gesture is treated like some kind of
>sacrifice or hardship, and at worst, attack on 'liberty'

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

because she was specifically bitching about it when i was a kid. that its constricting, and what if you get trapped, etc..

she acknowledges she was wrong. especially since we've both been in multiple auto accidents since.

but i do remember debates about it. we just didn't have social media

...moms always made us buckle up before that because we had cousins who were ejected in a bad crash growing up ...when i got rides from other moms they told me i didn't need to wear the belt or not to worry ..used to piss me off

like hey this dude i know who's dad was a firefighter..

lol

I’d shared here yet. My dad saw a LOT of stuff in 30 years as a firefighter, and considering what he’s seen that is maybe the craziest thing I’ve heard. Stories of car accidents where cars were flipped over multiple times, but because people had in seatbelts they were fine, and stories of what you’d think would be a fender bender and they were thrown into (or out of) the windshield and died horribly, just because they didn’t have a seatbelt on. Stories of a passenger wearing one and the driver not wearing one (or vice versa) with a crazy difference in outcome.

Also, by the time seatbelts became a law in the 80’s (at least here in Michigan) they weren’t new at all - they’d been in cars a LONG time, and these firefighters had BEEN wearing them because they knew what would happen if they didn’t. But yet they stopped once it became law.

I'm not under a delusion that Trump created all this shit, and like it def sounds like something that would happen now, and even if i did happen now i'd still be surprised and baffled by the STOPPED wearing seatbelts part.

most issues i can at least understand both sides of it regardless of my own opinion on it. the anti-masker thing i just don't get. I get being sick of it, or being annoyed, but the whole screaming about my rights, and Costco trantrums, and now going as far to get mad at the people who *do* wear them. none of it even registers

My aunt refused to wear seatbelts for some reason - the reason being people told her it was something she should do. And when it became the law it only hardened her resolve.

Well she got into a BAD car accident with my cousin and my cousin's kids - real bad.

Everyone except my aunt was wearing seatbelts. Everyone else survived --but my cousin had some pretty serious injuries.

My aunt was ejected from the car and died quickly :(

There was literally no way to get my aunt to wear her seatbelt - she was defiantly opposed, to it BECUASE it was both a good idea and was the law.

from my dad's story that there was huge pushback back in the 80's. And even through the 90's and early 2000's you'd see big "click it or ticket" campaigns because people were still not wearing them. By now you'd think that folks have seen enough stories like this to realize the danger and just wear their seatbelts.

It all speaks back to the mask wearing issue - with seatbelts there is a VERY clear and direct cause/effect right there to see and you still had decades of pushback and defiance. So for certain people, they'll never get it with masks - because the cause/effect there isn't as instant, given the time to get sick, show symptoms, etc.

She just didn't like when people told her to do things. she also didn't think smoking cuased cancer for some reason. She was born in 1959 or around there.

My other aunt was like this too - but I think she wears her seatbelt MOST of the time now. If it's a "short trip' she won't buckle up unless you nag her. (She won't take the vaccine - she says it'll mess up her DNA and fear is worse than COVID.)

As a child in the 80's I started to do it because it was so easy and seemed to carry a benefit. Literally just started doing it in 1981.

And in 1984 when Barbra Mandrell had the accident (and made the PSA) I think it hit home with a lot of my peers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FjxLZ9cja8

"Would I rather not wear a mask? Sure."

People would rather not wear a mask. So when can they stop?

If it's not after getting vaccinated, then when is it?

>
>Would i rather not wear a mask than wear a mask? sure, but
>mask wearing has been the easiest thing in the world.
>
>

It's when you are vaccinated AND the number of cases in your area goes down.

Masks come BACK when case load goes up too.

If people are vaccinated, why does the number of cases matter?

Shouldn't the criteria be when vaccines are widely available and accessible? That is, when everyone who wants a shot can get one.

There's always going to be cases. Especially when a significant chunk of the population who have no plans to get a vaccine.

At some point, if you choose not to protect yourself then that's just on you.



>It's when you are vaccinated AND the number of cases in your
>area goes down.
>
>Masks come BACK when case load goes up too.

It greatly reduces the number of infections - so if you are in a town with relatively low infection rates AND you are vaccinated then it's a small risk and probably okay.

Notice the CDC DIDN'T say you should stop wearing a mask indoors in a crowded situation??

That's because you can still get sick. (It seems that the vaccine may help limit how sick you get - and hopefully it won't be serious, but there's a chance it could be.)

What needs to happens if for 1)You get vaccinated 2)The rate of infection goes down where you live and 3)It stays down for a period of time AND THEN it's safe.

It's like any other disease.

And if the rate of infection goes UP in your city (or Country) it might need to

Seems the hard part for people to accept is step 3 - where you wait. And things could go the other way. India is going the other way right now.

We could (I pray not) get a variant that makes the vaccine MUCH LESS effective - if that happens we go back to being more restrictive.

But it's not going to be this month - or next.

>But it's not going to be this month - or next.
Jesus, I was wrong.

like if you're on the street without one you get run up on?

because now people are telling each other to tell people to take their masks off, which is weird because it doesn't affect you at all if someone else is wearing one.




www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the sooner we get to herd immunity, the sooner masks can go away.

now that the recommendation is hey, good news. you don't have to wear a mask for these outdoor activities, people are bithcing even MORE

that's my point

The guidelines are being relaxed, so it should be good news.

But on the other hand, it can be disheartening because it's not much different than the current situation. Someone gets vaccinated and not much changes

>But on the other hand, it can be disheartening because it's not much different than the current situation. Someone gets vaccinated and not much changes

For me the change is, you don't have to worry about dying or living with potentially crippling side effects from covid. It's been a weight off my mind. That's much different. I feel free to travel, I feel free to do whatever, and more or less get back to normal, just w/a mask.

I think the mask requirements for right now accomplish a few things
1. there's a slight chance a vaccinated person can spread it still (not a huge chance, but not zero) so cool, I'm not trying to spread it
2. general mask mandates still allow for vaccine rollouts to kick in. not everyone is vaccinated yet. we're building up immunity, but we're not there. let's give those at the back of the line to get theirs too before everyone goes mask free
3. It also keeps businesses from being put in the position of asking folks if they're vaccinated or not and selectively requiring folks to wear masks.

>>But on the other hand, it can be disheartening because it's
>not much different than the current situation. Someone gets
>vaccinated and not much changes
>
>For me the change is, you don't have to worry about dying or
>living with potentially crippling side effects from covid.
>It's been a weight off my mind. That's much different. I feel
>free to travel, I feel free to do whatever, and more or less
>get back to normal, just w/a mask.
>
>I think the mask requirements for right now accomplish a few
>things
>1. there's a slight chance a vaccinated person can spread it
>still (not a huge chance, but not zero) so cool, I'm not
>trying to spread it
>2. general mask mandates still allow for vaccine rollouts to
>kick in. not everyone is vaccinated yet. we're building up
>immunity, but we're not there. let's give those at the back of
>the line to get theirs too before everyone goes mask free
>3. It also keeps businesses from being put in the position of
>asking folks if they're vaccinated or not and selectively
>requiring folks to wear masks.
>
>
>
>

if you're outside or going to people's houses, all they're really doing is recommending.

i don't know what Canada is like now but my boss went to visit his fam a few months back, and had to strict quarantine for 2 weeks.

not "we recommend you quarantine" either. It's, we're tracking you and you're gonna get a huge fine if you don't.

here americans can never be told what to do ever, even if there are no real consequences because were special

Sure, you may still have to wear a mask places, but you also know you are highly, highly unlikely to get sick and die of COVID. So you can go do outdoor dining at a restaurant, you can travel somewhere if need be, etc. You don't have to stay quarantined if you don't want. That's such a huge difference-- and a huge relief-- compared to before.

I agree that the optics of "keep wearing the mask after getting vaccinated" can make people who don't like masks feel a bit hopeless... but it's not for our benefit, it's for the benefit of others, and it's to (a) make them feel safe that you're not spreading the disease to them and (b) encourage them to keep wearing the mask until more people are vaccinated.

Once the vaccination rate is high enough, I imagine indoor restrictions and mask recommendations will go away. Some people will keep wearing masks, and that's okay, but hopefully we'll be at a place where more people will feel comfortable when they see an unmasked stranger.

There was an anti-mask movement back during the Influenza outbreak a little over a hundred years ago. It wasn't as large of a percentage of the population, but it was there.

Though back then, lots of people didn't want to wearing them for "comfort" reasons, rather than the "You're limiting my freedom!" horseshit.

young, healthy people were getting the worst of it

i don't know if there was any kind of racial disparity. I'm guessing they weren't even collecting data on it, but I always go back to last spring where there was a short lived We're all in this Together mindset. so aside from the assumption that if you're not old or sick, you'll likely be ok, as soon as numbers dropped that black and brown people were disproportionately affected, all this "open up now! / "muh freedoms" took off and never looked back

but i do remember reading about a sizable anti-masker movement back then in SF of all places.

when i walk my dog or go on walks. I have the mask around the chin when i get around people i pull it up.

who don’t wear them at all

i've been doing the chin thing more while walking an and pull it up when i see people getting near

it's the people who walk around stores with that shit under their nose. pull your damn mask up.

Because if I have to walk near them, I know they'll pull the mask up as I approach.

But yeah, if they're inside and don't have the mask covering their nose/mouth, there's no point to it, and they should stop pretending they care.

they enter a business and their asked to and as soon as the can they pull them back down. Plus you're more likely to get contaminated moving your mask up and down

if no one else is there we take our mask off.

If people are distanced I will put it around my chin until they get close

If I'm going to be near people I don't know, I wear the mask, because they don't know I'm vaccinated, and I want them to feel safe.

If I'm not around people, or if I'm only near people I also know are fully vaccinated, I don't wear the mask.

Not too difficult to do.

For the reason you state and not necessarily medical necessity.

That is, if the rule was vaccinated people don't need to wear there masks at all in public setting, then it all falls apart because people won't wear masks and you can't really challenge people because you don't know if they are vaccinated.

The best way to protect the unvaccinated is to have everyone wear masks but I doubt there is any real benefit to the vaccinated.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html

Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.

Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.

Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers.

“The virus is unlikely to go away,” said Rustom Antia, an evolutionary biologist at Emory University in Atlanta. “But we want to do all we can to check that it’s likely to become a mild infection.”

The shift in outlook presents a new challenge for public health authorities. The drive for herd immunity — by the summer, some experts once thought possible — captured the imagination of large segments of the public. To say the goal will not be attained adds another “why bother” to the list of reasons that vaccine skeptics use to avoid being inoculated.

If the herd immunity threshold is not attainable, what matters most is the rate of hospitalizations and deaths after pandemic restrictions are relaxed, experts believe.

By focusing on vaccinating the most vulnerable, the United States has already brought those numbers down sharply. If the vaccination levels of that group continue to rise, the expectation is that over time the coronavirus may become seasonal, like the flu, and affect mostly the young and healthy.

“What we want to do at the very least is get to a point where we have just really sporadic little flare-ups,” said Carl Bergstrom, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. “That would be a very sensible target in this country where we have an excellent vaccine and the ability to deliver it.”

Country's lost.

approached my kid maskless talking this shit, I would 100% try and knock his head off.

https://twitter.com/SamBraslow/status/1389328059577212928

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but no no it's not what you think, I just wanted to yell at the kids for wearing masks

when the numbers go down I'll change what I'm doing after that.

not before, and around here they aren't down enough.

around my neighborhood or whatever I don't have a mask on but if I'm going somewhere, yeah I keep it on in between it's not an issue

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Easy to pull up or down if there's people around. I keep a cloth or KN95 mask on hand too depending on where I am

If I'm out and about in the city, I keep the mask or gaiter on. It's almost part of life now.

Right now it seems like San Francisco is doing GREAT probably okay RIGHT now. But if the number goes up then the mask should go back on.

Michigan and Colorado? I'd wear a mask right now unless I was vaccinated (I am) but even then so - what's wrong with wearing the mask?

As of 5/11/2021 this is how many people in 100,00 have Covid in locations:
CA: 4 out of 100,000
Michigan: 27 out 100,000
Florida:17 out of 100,000
Pennsylvania:17 out of 100,000

Note: When its less than 1 out 100,000 then it would probably go away/dies off unless and super spreading event occurs - new variant, etc. So it might be really safe in California right now relative to Florida, but that can change. And when Florida numbers go down then mask needs do too.

I think California would be doing as badly as Florida if we used their same policies.

Covid DEATHS in California in the last 7 days:59
Covid deaths in Florida *yesterday*:132



Remember this:1 out of 10 people in the UNITED STATES has been diagnosed with Covid since it started. And the non-symptomatic ones were probably undercounted.

So two approaches are : Relax standards now "for economy and freedom" which is what Florida is doing.
Or take a slower approach, whcih is what California is doing.

If 80 people dying a day is greater than you having to wear a mask when outside, then you should move to Flroida I guess.

around here, when people are going to places where people will be, it seems like most are masked up even outside


what is really interesting to me about the TAKE MASKS OFF weirdos

is that before covid ever existed, we've always had a lot of chinese people who come over to study at MSU or U of M when I lived in ann arbor

and a lot of those cats rocked masks all the time when they were in public, even though there was no pandemic.

so how is it shocking that people are continuing to wear masks?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

...those #s are going back on the upswing. Because morons from Arkansas and South Dakota and the like are fucking stupid, and won't have the sense to mask up on the streets once they're here.

Plus, I imagine Newsom is going to lift the mask mandate sooner than he should just for purposes of the recall election. He's already pledged to start sending out checks to residents with the money from the surplus, and he's going to try to erase any other lingering pieces of inconvenience before the election in the Fall.

When the 'Zoners show up unvaccinated and spread it to us they'll blame California for being dirty.

-or-
If they come out, we don't get it and they go back and say "It's all a hoax."

As of RIGHT NOW Disneyland is only allowing CA residents. (I'm SERIOUSLY considering a trip to Disneyland this week because of low rates, enforced masking and dramatic capacity limits. Give it a 20% chance I go.)

Sea World allows out of state if they have proof of being FULLY vaccinated:
"SeaWorld San Diego is now operating as a theme park. Per state COVID-19 restrictions, attendance is limited to California in-state visitors, and now out-of-state visitors will be required to show proof of a fully completed COVID-19 vaccine (you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your second shot, or two weeks after the one-dose vaccine). Guests may also be asked to present proof of residency upon entry. Party sizes may not contain more than 3 households."


As our rates go down Newsome will loosen restrictions - that's literally been the plan as stated the entire time - and they are doing it "responsibly" - BUT it's not hard to see the consequences that are likely to come from the loosening - a rise in the numbers and an increase in sickness and death.

But now it's about judgement - there is always *some* risk around - but I find that AT LEAST 50% of people I talk to can not gauge risk in any meaningful way - it's a binary choice for them.

Meanwhile, Florida is OPEN, more people are dying, less are vaccinated and the South is rushing to join them.

Happy birthing day!

walking down the street pass someone with COVID?

Does wearing mask while walking down the street cut COVID rates?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

when it comes to vaccinated folk.

My wife is vaccinated and a student and her younger brother tested positive. Everyone is like “you’re vaccinated.. you are good”

but from what I have read some people are still testing positive even tho they had the vaccination... and does it mean you can’t be a carrier if vaccinated?

you're just less likely to get sick but you can still be a carrier

Vaccinated people can get infected - but it seems that nearly none who are vaccinated get a severe case of COVID which requires hospitalization and NONE, repeat NONE, have died from it.(Well the last numbers I saw.)

So your like 19 times more likely to get infected without being vaccinated - and then almost infinitely at greater risk to die if infected.

As for spreading - there are no reports of spreading from vaccinated people - because the numbers of people who are vaccinated who then get infected are so low, and then the severity of the disease is low that *they seem to not spread it at all.*

MAYBE that changes from no spread to a tiny bit when studied, but multiple orders of magnitude less than spread from unvaccinated.

Now, the spread from infected people might go from nearly 0 to
And when it stops spreading no one can catch it anymore.

So give the choices the vaccination route, while not PERFECT, is pretty much as close to perfect as we have available.

Nothing is prefect, but vaccinations and time can get this down to very very low levels. Once its low then it's less of a risk.

San Diego had hepatitis and TB outbreaks in the last decade - but they didn't lock down the county because it was a manageable risk. Covid hopefully will be the same.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/13/covid-vaccine-cdc-variant-fda-clots-world-health-organization/5066504001/