https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrORfVYRcVM&feature=youtu.be

Me? No. I'm offended people even would ask tbqh

Ps: where is my search my name thread? Why must y'all be such hoes constantly?

Pps: since everyone thinks devil worship is cute post lil nas x...get real with your shit

https://youtu.be/rvHOsYTdnko


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

Hair can grow back, Im trying to get this money.

If not for my corporate job I would have colored hair and face piercings right now. But I didnt want to be relegated to working at Starbucks and Uber. I do respect those willing to go that route though.

I have no hair options anymore lol

however, for this Ricky vid situation, nope. He said the job didn't require it. Why would the family member change his hair for Ricky if he aint working for Ricky? that's garbage.

now? pass the clippers. I gotsta get paid


I just made a lil nas x post before coming in here. Shrugs

if im looking for a job or about to start im getting it cut anyway

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Your call of course.

But it's internalized anti Blackness of course. I wish you brothers healing.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

That guy stood his ground. I respect it.

I’m at that level and I’m nappy as fuck. My coworker has locs. One of our partners has a giant ass, nappy ass, salt and pepper Afro and I’m thinking he makes 1.5m easily.

I wouldn’t cut shit because I’ve crossed my threshold, I know I could find another position in another place looking how I look.

Now, if the job were really high salary and I were public facing like being on TV, then maybe...maybe.

Still, I would have to have a good fucking reason to change me.

if I had them.

I had locks in college and had no problem getting a gig.. and this was back in 2000.

No way. Fuck that job.

if you have a skill or a career where your hair doesn't matter take that path. If you're looking for someone to provide you an opportunity in a professional environment then you have choices to make. And lets not try to pretend all "dreads" are the same.

This will be the same relative down the road saying Ricky didn't do anything for him.

me and magic shave are like ><

right now it's long (shoulder length) and that length is effectively obfuscating a dicey manu-ginobli-style-moonroof area. so probably not unless i can be convinced to "come home," which is unlikely to coincide with a job offering

Before the Millennium, dreadlocks were unacceptable in most corporations.
Also, a lot of jobs required men to be clean shaven.

In most departments(not all) of law enforcement, men can’t have long hair
or facial hair for safety purposes.

A job is a professional position, not a cultural one, and every occupation has its
own physical codes and rules. Some industries and jobs are very strict. Some are
are relaxed and more casual.

This is why it is important for job seekers to know the restrictions of
the job industry that he or she wants to work in. That way there are no
misunderstandings when it comes to expectations.

It’s the same thing in the Film Industry. Some movie/tv characters require
certain looks and appearances, so an actor has to be open and willing
to sport whatever look is required for the character.

spot. Places like that can go either way. Some don't care and are really open-minded, some are not, really depending on upper management. If lil home trying to roll up in there looking like Takeoff from Migos I could see where there might be an issue.

I went through 2 rounds of interviews for a Store Manager position at QuikTrip. At the end of the second joint, dude told me that men could have NO facial hair. Like...none. That was a deal-breaker for me. I've never had NO facial hair. Even in Basic and AIT, I had a shave profile...where I just had to keep it down to the lowest setting...cuz razors messed my face up, too bad.

especially on the sides. if a job required me to grow it out for some reason i probably wouldnt take that job.

i have a beard and would shave it if required for the job. ive rarely been clean shaven since college but i could bless people with the jaw line for the right job lol

thats why i put "for some reason" lol. just trying to imagine what it would be like for something equal to someone having to actually cut their hair for a job.

maybe acting but thats a whole other thing.

Yep

Wouldn't ask the sikh to do that nor should you

FK that


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

..If the candidate is well groomed, there's no reason for this kind of discrimination in 2021.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..If the candidate is well groomed, there's no reason for
>this kind of discrimination in 2021.

define “well groomed”

..but length of hair shouldn't be an issue for most professions (esp since you can gather/wear hair in different styles.

Well groomed: Clean, neat, and worn in a way that won't hinder their work.

As long as the person is professionally presentable (NEAT), why would anyone not in civil service/military be required to cut their hair for employment?


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

The financial industry is a very conservative industry, which is why you don’t
see men with long hair in that industry. Same goes for politics.

The companies in those industries want the attire and physical appearance
to reflect the image and principles of the company. Finance is about stability,
consistency and growth. So a man sporting long hair or dreadlocks gives a
perception that the man isn’t serious about his position.

Because it's hella racist and anti Black

Not much to go from what you just typed to "eh, his beard is unprofessional"

People are defined by small decisions and moments that define who they are. If you willing to cut your hair or alter your appearance for a job...that says something about you

Would you go inside of a bank or institution where the lawn
and surroundings are unkempt, or the grass is as tall as a fence?

It’s about presentation more than it is about degrading someone’s
manhood or culture.

They used to be strict about facial hair, but most companies have relaxed that
policy due to some men having medical issues with shaving.

In my 20s, I mostly wore a beard. That was back in the 90s, tapered afro
with trimmed beard look. My skin, for some reason, was very sensitive to
razors back then. I could only use Magic shave paste to get a clean shave.
That shit was time consuming, and the paste had a terrible odor to it. I then
discovered I could get a close shave with liners, and I used that method in my
30s when I was working in the stock market ( allowed to sport a goatee).

Now I can shave with a razor with no issues whatsoever. Razor technology has
improved. So I sport a nice thick goatee with no mustache.

I’m not as intense as I used to be about facial hair. But I have a look that’s both
urban and professional, so my look is set for the rest of my life.

To me says it all.

By all means continue to uphold that status quo. I shall not and I take great pride ok knowing by keeping my hair like it is and succeeding anyway I'm making it that much easier for the next generation


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

I see more variation in lawyers than I do finance people.

Especially as it goes to appearance. Like the brothers I know who work in it have no facial hair, most are tall-ish and dress the same. Even down to the Patagonia vest. It's crazy.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-are-patagonia-power-vests-with-goldman-sachs-and-jp-morgan-logos-selling-for-200-on-ebay-2019-04-23

If you aren't prepared for that level of conformity, Its okay, the job might not be right for you.

Just got to be prepared for certain trade offs in you work in certain industries. Maybe you are going to be that one person who breaks all the rules and does it your way, but it doesn't happen often.





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I did it for 20 years.

..and any other industry that still adheres to archaic principles based in patriarchy and nothingness.

People don't need to be micromanaged at every turn. Professional attire/presentation simply requires awareness and attention to detail. You can be well groomed with any length of hair (man or woman).

Anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

area that can have many interpretations.

>..but length of hair shouldn't be an issue for most
>professions (esp since you can gather/wear hair in different
>styles.
>
>Well groomed: Clean, neat, and worn in a way that won't hinder
>their work.
>
>As long as the person is professionally presentable (NEAT),
>why would anyone not in civil service/military be required to
>cut their hair for employment?

..well groomed simply means clean, neat, and well kept.

A dress code is manageable, but stop trying turn people into clones/drones (not you, in general). This kind of conditioning was never good for society.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

and lining and look like a totally different person.

..in order to complete a task or succeed in any industry.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

that's going to be defined differently by different people

..well groomed means clean, neat, orderly, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with length.

Limiting someone's professional appearance solely based on the personal preference of someone else is called discrimination.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

i agree with your definition of well groomed, but the types of people usually in control of these work grooming policies dont all share that same definition, hence ‘grey area’.

your...OUR clean and neat is NOT their clean and neat

if one of us needed a cut bad but didnt have time, so we got a shape up with a line. most yt folks cant tell the difference.
then ive seen some yt folks that think a line is a fancy haircut when they see it. they dont understand why we get lines.

meaning, a lineup is what we get to make our hair neat. meanwhile they dont even see that shit, if they do they think you on some fancy shit

different definitions.

..I'm not arguing anything, i'm stating a simple fact: Length of hair has nothing to do with job performance. As such, NO PUBLIC EMPLOYER has the right to determine the length of someone else's hair. Abusing your leverage to force compliance is petty and unnecessary.

As previously stated: THERE IS NO GREY AREA

That so-called grey area is nothing but personal preferences (no substantial logic or reasoning that would support such discriminatory practices).

I don't give a fuck about opinions or redefining the term "well groomed." I know that this world operates in a manner that allows personal preferences to influence office policy, but that doesn't mean its right or justified. I'm not being obtuse, I'm telling you that policy is bullshit (always has, always will) and wreaks of control issues.

That said, I don't expect much to change in regards to any of this because conditioning is real.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..I'm not arguing anything, i'm stating a simple fact: Length
>of hair has nothing to do with job performance. As such, NO
>PUBLIC EMPLOYER has the right to determine the length of
>someone else's hair.

off the top of my head most first responder jobs have hair length regulations are those considered "PUBLIC EMPLOYERS"?

..come back when you've actually taken the time to read the thread, dude.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

..Believe it or not, I completely understand your perspective. I realize that most people will simply continue to conform (typically out of some sort of bizarre "tradition"). That doesn't change the fact that its flat out wrong.

My point is that this should never have been allowed to stand in the 1st place. Why are people still propping up bullshit agendas? Tear down those walls.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Because calling this sort of policy out for what it is - discrimination - is kinda the only way we distinguish the disproportionate impact they have on Black jobseekers and employees, regardless of gender.

Furthermore, arguing in support of hair discrimination wrt length paves the way for its even uglier dimensions. For example, Bin zeroed in specifically on hair length/cut, but we know from the locs issue that *texture* is another huge dimension of hair discrimination and pretty much the most racist.

There's zero reason whatsoever a Black man with locs down his back should be expected to cut his hair for a senior or executive position while a White woman with long red curly hair down her back is not. None.

And texture bs hurts Black women especially in a lot of settings, because of the shape and size our hairstyles take depending on curl pattern etc (whether natural or extensions, wig, etc). Even if it's not overt, the blown out/relaxed look is def the 'standard' past a certain level of seniority in a lot of industries.

*eyeroll* So much unnecessary (psychological) labor + cost for Black people just to navigate this shit. Pet peeve of mine.




>..If the candidate is well groomed, there's no reason for
>this kind of discrimination in 2021.
>

I moreso meant discrimination is just wrong and, as it happens, illegal right? eg:

https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices

So I could see if someone thinks it's a reach to think hair discrimination is racist (tho I personally don't, and as of 2019 neither does the state of California lol https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB188), but why should we even be ok with employers going so far beyond capabilities and credentials to rule out job candidates??

The ambiguity of "cultural fit" is already exploited to maintain a certain racial milieu (for lack of a better term) in a lot of spaces, then on top of that there's the name discrimination stuff at the screening stage which is like, known. Linking hair texture and/or length to one's fitness for a job is like one step away from paperbag testing imho. There's probably so much talent needlessly overlooked bc of this nonsense.

>I moreso meant discrimination is just wrong and, as it
>happens, illegal right? eg:
>
>https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices
>
>So I could see if someone thinks it's a reach to think hair
>discrimination is racist (tho I personally don't, and as of
>2019 neither does the state of California lol
>https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB188),
>but why should we even be ok with employers going so far
>beyond capabilities and credentials to rule out job
>candidates??
>
>The ambiguity of "cultural fit" is already exploited to
>maintain a certain racial milieu (for lack of a better term)
>in a lot of spaces, then on top of that there's the name
>discrimination stuff at the screening stage which is like,
>known. Linking hair texture and/or length to one's fitness for
>a job is like one step away from paperbag testing imho.
>There's probably so much talent needlessly overlooked bc of
>this nonsense.

to the game. The folks that do most of the hiring have the most say. Until we can reverse that dynamic I feel like its a losing battle.

Also I feel like its industry specific. In certain industries where your degrees & phd's hold more weight your appearance may be less. With some service industry jobs when how you look, speak, walk, etc having heavier weight and you have decide between principle and survival it gets complicated.

or how wrong it is, when literally no one is arguing against it

no one is saying its right. but they keep beating that drum as if they’re teaching or telling us something

and i think its because deep down or really...not that deep down, youre cowards who would rather support the status quo that historically victimizes people who look like you rather then personally do whatever you can to subvert that paradigm

which is fine but the sad thing isnt people being self righteous online where theres literally no negative involved with it...the sad thing is you all taking the easy route out IRL...when there is negative involved with it

yep, its wrong.
we all know its wrong.
yup, its discriminatory.
we all know its discriminatory. 100% discriminatory.
NO ONE is defending any of that...AT ALL.

but thats the only language they speak, binary.

they have to put you in a box

you cant just have a conversation about things.

you cant talk ‘levels’ with these types, it upsets them

to do so means to them you support it

their line of thinking is exhausting

They absolutely made an issue about his hair, but it was against state law. He was doing great at the job too....comes in with his hair cut and is told they are going to go with someone else.

I was mad as fuck for him. He was crushed.

I definitely have no problem with a fresh cut before an interview

there is no way I would ever cut locks off for a gig tho.

not bending over

I gots to get paid

>I gots to get paid

right at the end of the day its hair, if it can come between you and your family eating you have choices to make

that went viral:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30INqc3sH8

^I don't know how somebody could watch this and defend similar hair discrimination by employers.

Sure, they themselves are not pulling a new hire to the side to cut his hair, but it's kinda the same level of violence (and infantilization) to me *shrug*