but yeah i just meant that both are providing benefits which on their face are good. they both are also taking away existing benefits as part of the plan. in both scenarios i have to doubt why its necessary to do so.

you are right that at least yang was also looking to increase taxes on corporations and high-earners. this was part of my initial reaction to romneys plan, why dont dems counter with doing the same instead of taking away benefits.

as far the wealthy getting the benefit, i guess thats valid. yes i like that in romneys proposal there is a mechanism in place to tax the payout. as you point out, it would be foolish to assume many of them wouldnt find a loophole to avoid paying it back.

your last point is very good. i think the criticisms for yangs plan (regarding taking away benefits) for ubi apply tenfold here.