Asking for a friend

One pile of it just smells a little less bad, so that's the one I go for.

This Trumpism phenomenon is a whole different thing. That shit is legit frightening.

shitty racist policies is more than "a little" different than storm the capitol, take hostages, plant pipe bombs, roam the streets attacking random Black people, no?

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

one party is systematically reversing the civil rights protections enacted in the last 50 years.

one party enacts gun laws that make it legally excusable for white people to kill black people if they pretend to be scared enough.

one party vehemently supported ripping nonwhite children for their parents and shipping them across the country or to another altogether.

one party said the 1st black president isnt american and his wife is a monkey.

one party is not only cool with schoolkids being massacred...they actively make the weapons used for the massacres more accessible.

one party supported a coup against the same government they work for.

one party calls white supremacists and domestic terrorists 'patriots'.


or just a lil more smelly or however you put it i guess.

As the Retrumplicans.

incited by one of the parties.

just uncut

all Trump did was expose that all the conservative values they pretended to believe in have been bullshit the whole time.

>This Trumpism phenomenon is a whole different thing. That shit
>is legit frightening.

I've been saying this to anyone who's like "I'm republican but don't like Trump"

I'm like you realize this is who your party has been the whole time right. They were just better at hiding their true intentions.

Trump made it so they didn't have to hide anymore.

Any repug who "doesn't like trump" should've switched parties by now. A friend of mine did. I was super proud of this.


>RE: Trumpism IS the Republican party
>just uncut
>
>all Trump did was expose that all the conservative values they
>pretended to believe in have been bullshit the whole time.

>switched parties
>by now. A friend of mine did. I was super proud of this.

all i've seen this week was people dug in deeper or spitting a lot of whataboutism.

my friend posted a meme comparing reactions to Kaep and the insurrection. The very first reply was from a girl who said "BOTH of those scare me" lol

>all i've seen this week was people dug in deeper or spitting a
>lot of whataboutism.
>
>my friend posted a meme comparing reactions to Kaep and the
>insurrection. The very first reply was from a girl who said
>"BOTH of those scare me" lol

LOL these ghouls, man. I saw a facebook argument the other day, where a dude said that "antifa" burning the american flag during protests last summer was just as unamerican as the attempted coup Wednesday lol.

I read that and just sat on my couch staring blankly at my laptop thinking, it has to take some serious fucking *effort* to be that dumb.

When my friend broke it down to her that Kaep was just silently kneeling. She conceded the point and said a better comparison would be flag burning

lolol

>LOL these ghouls, man. I saw a facebook argument the other
>day, where a dude said that "antifa" burning the american flag
>during protests last summer was just as unamerican as the
>attempted coup Wednesday lol.
>
>I read that and just sat on my couch staring blankly at my
>laptop thinking, it has to take some serious fucking *effort*
>to be that dumb.

I swear to god these motherfuckers all get like pamphlets or e-mails with the talking points they should use in arguments. They're so fucking predictable and consistent.


>When my friend broke it down to her that Kaep was just
>silently kneeling. She conceded the point and said a better
>comparison would be flag burning
>
>lolol

and hasn’t been for a long time.

Anyone who says otherwise must not pay any attention at all to what’s going on.

if that doesnt tell you everything you need to know...

Trump is an obnoxious sociopathic lunatic. And dumb as fuck.

>One pile of it just smells a little less bad, so that's the
>one I go for.

A little less bad?

Try demonstrably, notably, significantly different.

One party is actively pursuing a better, more inlusive, less restrictive health care system. The other had actively wanted to repeal the ACA since its inception.

One party believes the science behind global warming and seeks ways to reduce our carbon footprint. The other denies it exists at all and actively opposes green initiativel in favor of maintaining the status quo of archaic fossil fuels.

One party actively thinks things like a womans right to bodily autonomy and the ability for two people of the same sex to get married is something they have a right to decide on their behalf.

THE OTHER FUCKING DOESN'T.

One party is actively enacting and continually refining methods of voter suppression. The other doesn't do this.

One party actively denies science, actively opposes the use of masks and social distancing during a pandemic, and even denies the existence and severity of the virus that is causing said pandemic, while jumping the line to get the vaccine.

The other accepts the science, the virus, mazks, social distancing, and the vaccine.

One consistently tries to push our country toward a theocracy. That party has an army of tax exempt mouthpieces that routinely subvert their tax exempt status by openly supporting Trump as their candidate from pulpits across the country.

The other does not.

One has opposed economic relief all year while the other has actively pursued it.

One belittles higher education, and is doing nothing about the student loan bubble. The other is actively considering student loan forgiveness.

This is a long ass list that doesn't stop there.

There are significant differences. Sure, these are generalizations. There are always outliers. It won't apply equally tobecery member of the party. Sure, the politicians themselves are a mixed bag, flawed and imperfect.

But it's still not a slight difference. One isn't slightly worse than the other.

"Trumpism" is just Extra Strength Republican. Trumpism is just an emboldened, politically empowered version of Republican that says the quiet parts out loud.

Trump won these people over because he tapped into, and thus validated, the worst sensibilities, ideologies, and fears of (mostly) white America.

President Trump doesn't exist unless those elements were already there for him to tap into them. Those people and their ideas already existed. Trump just gave enough power to the fringe to allow them to join the surface level, mainstream faces of the party.

These aren't minor differences. These are very serious, significant differences with real world consequences that we've seen play out with alarming severity.

Sorry, just frustrated with the whole fucking world right now. It's been such a fucked up week.

Never voted for a repub ever in my whole life, and wouldn't even consider it. There's obviously a big difference between the two.

specifically reinstating the federal death penalty and speeding through punishments just so he can kill a few extra black people before h leaves office.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>just so he can kill a few extra black people before h leaves office.

It's really that fucking simple. There's no other way to describe it.

It's absolutely abhorrent but because we're so desensitized to his and their particular brand of evil it's barely scratched the surface of mainstream news.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

if I walked into your house, left all the doors open so the cat and dog can escape and then unplugged your fridge and topped it off by walking over to slap the dogshit out of you...you're not going to notice the missing dog or hundreds in ruined food for a good while because the undeserved slap to the face would be too much of a shock to think of anything else.

we're all rubbing our faces saying "i can't believe you've done this"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7lRV1VHv1g&ab_channel=PaperBoy3D

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

this too is fucked up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector

Why is that? We are at this point for a reason. Who and where are these good white people who are willing to stand up and die for this. Die for Black rights and true Black freedom.....not no trickle down 'one day.....maybe' effect. Die for climate change. Die fighting against capitalist greed.

The Black and minority vote showed the fuck out. There is no denying this; saving the day. Trumpsters/Qanon know it and are willing to die fighting in mass numbers to keep suppression and shit the same. Are there enough Dems/liberals to match those numbers? Are they bold enough to clap back, stand solid, and not back down?

Whenever there is Black progress, white people turn up....the 'good' white people overall back down and then we have 100 years white domestic terrorism and suppressive laws. Think of how progressive Reconstruction was...then the Union troops pulling out leading to Jim Crow, terrorism, etc. It got so bad that Blacks had to flee to the North where they were met with racism as well. Not kill you on sight racism but racism nonetheless. Economic and environmental racism, etc....with killings here and there but not as obvious as in the South.

No the parties are not the same, but there is racism on both sides. Black people cannot get things 'specifically' for them as a group that would economically benefit them. The fact that anything potentially beneficial has to be coded as 'minority' for fear of offending or alienating is a sign. Gentrification in Democratic run cities is a sign. The inability to truly punish these MAGA lovin' police unions in Democratic run cities.....also a sign.

Punishing extreme racism could lead to punishing subtle racism (Democratic/liberal.....Blackface anyone?) and they can't have that. White supremacy no matter how large or small will never truly punish itself. It goes against the fabric of this country. Watch the Dems fail in the upcoming weeks/months to do anything about the attempted coup. The signs are all there.

And when shit truly pops off, who is going to defend the people who went all out and saved this country from itself by voting? It's the period after Reconstruction all over again. The white 'allies' fall back and let them have at it with 'us' just to keep 'them' happy, thus the Union/U.S.A. remains in tact, and white supremacy remains on top. And Blacks will just learn to deal with it and accept it just like before. Hell, will probably even blame ourselves for the situation(s) we find ourselves in again.

and they are already showing they ain't going to do shit about this.

the GOP is outright ruinous. but inaction by the Dems has enabled them every step of the way.

>and they are already showing they ain't going to do shit
>about this.
>
>the GOP is outright ruinous. but inaction by the Dems has
>enabled them every step of the way.

All that did was embolden the party, and here we are.

Now they've attempted a full on coup, and they'll still go unpunished.

I've been saying for weeks that I don't think Biden's capable of handling this moment. The shit he's saying already sort of proves that.

We'll see.

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

the Dems are the New Republic. The New Republic definitely had issues - they weren’t nearly as united or organized and had in-fighting among factions who were more progressive and other factions stuck in the past.

But they were NOT the Empire who were following a fascist demagogue, blowing up entire planets, actively endorsing racism and classism, and bringing back slavery, all under the guise of “law and order”.

>Asking for a friend

I’m not sure what we are trying to get to here. They clearly aren’t ‘the same’. There IS some frenemy energy going with them though.

What I see: as far as presidential elections, Bush won the popular vote in 1988. His kid won it after 9/11 in 2004 cuz war, evil foreigners, and stuff. Besides that, the last 30 years of elections has all been Dems winning the popular vote by varying but generally large amounts. Millions...and millions. So, to me, there’s a small majority of voting people who think the Dems are the ‘better’ party of folks. Or at least they have the most likeable lies. And this has been the case for most of 30 years. Thirty.

Why then is it that Dems have a reputation for being weak when it comes to ‘sticking it to the crazies’? Aka the far right folks. The sneaking around still being racist folks. The can’t even pretend they don’t view things from a racist perspective folks. A black person dies, let’s read the law book or look at their priors for an ‘excuse’ to make the punishment for the crimes. A white person goes through ANY inconvenience of any kind, commits a crime as a reaction and might not even get a scratch on them that they didn’t give themselves. In that case, let’s talk about feelings when a dude shoots up a church. Or hey, maybe they feel left out cuz gay folks can get married in some places now. And that 2 years they went to church as a kid told them that wasn’t right. Or they got gassed up in some corner of the internet and came out into the real world and did something. What about their feelings!?

But wait, there’s more...

There’s the storm the capitol then talk shit about it folks. The folks who didn’t go to the capitol but totally sympathize with THOSE folks while skipping to their lous and not giving any fucks when the cops or some civilian kills some black person somewhere again and folks have to act a fool to get a real investigation/arrest.

Some Americans can hit the streets after they don’t get their way in an election but others should hush and fall back when the police casually kills a person on camera and other police and politicians don’t have nearly enough harsh words or Swift actions afterwards. Give them coloreds some money and see if they’ll buy PlayStations and Yeezies with it and go away. Pay for some future education stuff and hope that the black college admins are just like the white college admins...yes, let’s hope they basically steal the money or spend it on hiring celebrity sports figures as coaches.

So, all of this to say this: if the Democrips are the good guys and the rebloodicans are the black/red hat evil folks, how come the reds aren’t dead yet? Are they dying out and we’re living in their last gasp efforts to get more generations of their run? Are the Dems to blame for not banding together long enough to get rid of them for good? Is that even a goal of the Dems? Or are some of them too good a friends with some of those folks?

Maybe that’s it..folks equate the parties because neither one of them is doing enough to totally get rid of the other in most people’s eyes? They’re doing a worked/wrestling-style tug of war but no one is really pulling hard enough for long enough to make one team fall and drop their rope..you know..how tug of wars end in movies? Is that it?

One is a political party, one is a coalition seeking to undo the government and install their authoritarian state.

They've always been doing it subversively, this was overtly.

Both refuse to dispense proper justice towards state sanctioned murderers except for the case of justine diamond.

Both turned a blind eye to white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement.

Both parties refuse to address historicial sabotage that no community, including the fake black and brown coalition shills promote, dealt with.

The right is more honest about their stances.

And some folks are just like ... nah I'm gonna fail on purpose.

We just saw it!

LMAO

>The right is more honest about their stances.

Nah

Dems expect votes solely based off symbolism and haven't done anything for the sole constituency that carries them through elections besides repeated sabotage and humiliation.

Both parties are corporate funded war machines.

It took months of "negotiations" to get a covid bill but in the middle of that they were able to get a majority vote on both sides for a defense bill.


When people say "both parties are the same" thats what they mean.


Republican voters are varied and consist of several subgroups just like any other party.

Is this the proper response to american citizens running up on capitol hill with guns and explosives?


Can you please explain to your elected officials that democrats are different so it can reflect in their policies.

The only democrats fighting for you are the ones that are considered outcasts in the democratic party. Wonder why.

>Is this the proper response to american citizens running up
>on capitol hill with guns and explosives?

It’s not a proper response. But by the very nature of what you just described is a drastic difference

>
>Can you please explain to your elected officials that
>democrats are different so it can reflect in their policies.
>

My elected officials are Republicans that don’t answer my calls.
Tried.

>The only democrats fighting for you are the ones that are
>considered outcasts in the democratic party. Wonder why.

No disagreement there. Still. One coalition just engaged in a coup attempt where five people died. And one did not.

With the White House, and a senate majority, democrats are in the perfect position to hold them accountable. I mean this in the most-unsnarky way possible: I hope my posts age terribly and im proven wrong.

They haven't been one for a long time, they've always sought to undermine the system

But they've moved past subversion, and dismantling, and they're stating that they reject the system. At that point they no longer get to be a political party.


None of which makes Democrats good or bad, just that Republicans by and large have withdrawn from politics now.

If you squint your eyes enough, and block your peripheral of the middle east, africa, and latin america, then yeah...these are different parties.


The republican party is more explicit about how vile they are, ill give you that, but what do you call the political party that will do nothing to hold them accountable?

Kamala fist bumping Lindsey Graham. John Kasich being invited to the DNC rally.

The past 4 decades have been Democrats doing everything they could to prove how "tough" they are on foreign countries and "crime" so republicans could like them. Like a pathetic insecure teenager.


"We need a strong republican party, and we need to give police more funding."

-Our current Democrat president.

>When people say "both parties are the same" thats what they
>mean.
>

Even if they say that it's still, nah

n/m

But that's pretty much par for the course for politicians so hey.

.

obviously, not the same...exactly...but enabling, yes
feckless, yes
directly benefitting, yes

Not sure what the incentive behind making this post after the insurrection is...

...but it's painfully clear to me, Ds were not representing the people that voted, and continue to vote for them

On one hand...they cry foul when Moscow Mitch blocked Barry O policies and agendas

on the other...they throw their hands in the air when Trumpsters execute a coup

I believe there is a post on this board about a coup happening before our eyes

Not the same...but given where we are today...considering the geriatrics that continue to hold power in the D party...how were they not complicit?

+1, The Kumbaya B$ signaled by leadership is just more evidence of that.

Making the post after the insurrection IS the point.

>Not sure what the incentive behind making this post after the
>insurrection is...

Because after the insurrection it should be the easiest of answers. That some folks are still committed to not moving forward with conditions is illuminating.

>I believe there is a post on this board about a coup happening before our eyes

I made the post. And updated it. Nothing changed from it. The people that were installed withheld national guard assistance.

i.e. they were fine with what was happening to our country, until there was a viable direct lethal threat to their well being

Of course there are reasons and actions that allowed the insurrection to happen

But isn't it also Ds responsibility to keep our country safe

I guess what I'm saying is, how is this a W for Ds?

They can poke their chest out a get a gold sticker for not storming the capitol...but it still happened...on their watch

Isn't it part of their job, also?

I think you're providing an example of what I'm referring to about not playing the same game as Rs

Kewl, they can claim some high moral ethical ground, clutch pearls, on some...well I would never

IMO, that does not absolve them of the complete dereliction of duty...yes, their duty also

We all knew it was coming
We all watched it happen over the course of the last 5 years
...D shrug...

Are you confident the same leadership can stave off another attack?

+1, one of the more interesting factoids that came out of the 16' election...both parties are minorities

Independents out number either party

This attempt to draw a line in the sand and divide up sides...is just not consistent with facts

F the Ds too.

It's the need to acknowledge that one is a political party and one is a coalition seeking to undo the government and install their authoritarian state. Dark Money + Extremist Judges and Legislatures + Foreign Governments + Corporations + Churches

They've always been doing it subversively, this was overtly.

They're a political party in name only.

What happened still happened.

Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not

You made this post on Saturday...what change did we see on Sat?

The change that we will see...is harsher penalties
Bans on demonstrations in DC
Mandatory sentences
Etc...

...and we know who will bear the brunt of those harsher penalties...

Unless the D party goes full red scare 2.0 and holds every single entity accountable for this attempted coup...

...it's just going to be the same bull$hit =/= paradigm shift

That's my point.

Every time Rs cross the rubicon...we just get shrugs from the D party...

this is a chance for a paradigm shift...but the D party has been completely ineffective at combatting any grievances from the other side of the isle

I truly hope there is change to come...but that has not happened yet

and centrist Joe isn't exactly the person I expect to instill the necessary change.

When was the last time that happened.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

If an insurrection is what is needed to illustrate the difference between parties

...I don't think that's the spike the ball in the endzone TD dance celebration that you think it is...

Care less.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

in the 1st place after last week?

How Sway?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

A lot of people are committed to being unwavering in what they know the world to be

issues in our society is combination of what you describe and thinking all sources and authorities are equal. Thinking Fauci and Trump's thoughts on the virus are equal is actually killing people.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I feel like it’s in part a cop out. Reducing a world to black and white is easy and safe. I can see why someone would need to do that to survive.

I find it weird when they attempt to share that though.

Nobody had the same survival mechanism. And people should recognize where they have a world view and where they have a survival tool. Like for me. I don’t get too up or too down about anything. That’s survival. But I enjoy seeing people that can experience a full range of emotions. It just doesn’t help me.

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/


I'd wager there's bigger factors in trump's election. You tell me.

It's funny how this always stops the conversation doesn't it? I don't think I've ever seen a centrist ever acknowledge or respond to this revelation in 5 years. The only thing they remember from 2016 Wikileaks is Podesta's risotto recipe.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13403769&mesg_id=13403769&listing_type=search#13404061

This is some damning information, and yet...

before candidates even announced they were running
...almost a full year before the IA caucuses...

If we just introduced class solidarity to these people the problem would go away

They did this after Gretchen Whitmer plot. And are doing it again

...thats some real Nancy shit ..yeah, lets not worry about the ones trying to tear down the country ..NO let's complain about the ones that want to provide free healthcare, tuition, living wage, prison reform, legalize weed etc ..yeah progressives are your real enemy ..keep post-trolling at them

...well at least we didn't storm the capitol...amirite

FOH.

They are both the same about not really giving a fuck about us tho.

The evil slave master vs. the nice slave master.

For decades the mainstream factions of the two parties have just counted on everybody else just falling in line. The old school, rich, fat cat Reagan/Bush conservatives could always count on the blue-collar conservatives, the Christian fundamentalists, and nationalist/white supremacists to all just fall in line under the GOP banner. So, they looked the other way on the bullshit, so long as they got the votes.

Same with the Dems, with minorities, environmentalists, social justice factions...etc.

The Venn diagrams are pushing further and further apart. Trumpism has pulled back the curtain on the GOP, and shown that what folks like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham might have once just considered useful idiots, are far from "conservative." While not as volatile, the progressive wing is definitely fracturing the Democrats.

We may be seeing the death of the two party system.