https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22163146/covid-vaccine-fda-review-safe-effective-time-pfizer-biontech

Basically you don't get the shot and then are "all done and back to normal."

You take it and a few weeks later you have around 52% immunity.

Then you take the second does, wait another 2 weeks and your at the 95% immunity mark.

So you keep wearing a mask and social distancing for at least a month.

And just wear that mask until everyone is vaccinated in your area - they'll announce it on the news and you can track the case numbers.

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- That information is based on following test patients for only 2 months
- They still don’t know how long the protection will last
- They don’t know how it will affect children and pregnant women.


So for them to say that is what an A+ report card for a vaccine looks like is crazy.
It’s too small of a sample size....2 months of safety data?

What vaccine in the history of vaccine making has been approved in less than a year of it being tested?

It usually takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine. I’m not saying new technology can’t speed up the process, but in less than a year seems highly dangerous.

but only for people who can read.



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The Vaccine hasn’t been tested long enough to get that data.

“The FDA’s analysis notes there are still data gaps around the vaccine. The clinical trial only followed people for two months, and it’s unclear how long protection from COVID-19 will last. It’s unclear how well the vaccine could work in kids, and there isn’t data on pregnant people.”

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Do you think they're following flu shot test subjects for decades after the fact to see if side effects might happen, or do you think it might have something to do with getting funding, finding researchers, finding test subjects, competing for regulatory approval with all the other medical interventions set to go to market, etc. etc.?

You know, things that suddenly become quite easy to arrange when pretty much everyone in the world considers it a priority.

And then, not ALL vaccines take 10-15 years to develop. From what little I know, coronaviruses are pretty common and a lot of research into them was already prompted years ago by the SARS and MERS outbreaks. It stands to reason that this would help with the actual research bit of developing a covid-19 vaccine.

That's no proof there's nothing shady going on, I know. But you'd expect to see some complaints among the thousands of people (from universities and companies across the globe, mind you) involved if it were, right? So far I have only seen random internet people with their gut feelings and one guy saying the retired mentor of an actual relevant scientist didn't like it or something.

That is the the avg timetable.

The fastest vaccine ever created was for the Mumps, and that took 5 years. SMH.

Vaccines go through several phases of testing, and one of the most important
phases is the animal phase, which the covid vaccine test trials skipped.

This process and release is 100 percent uncharted territory. There was a slip up earlier when Pfizer gave out incorrect test results, because the results were based on half of a dose and not a full dose per test subject. That has since been corrected but that is a clear cut example of how rushed this entire process is.

Again, they are going off of 2 months of safety day, and do not know the lasting effects of the vaccine. That information is calculated before hand when a vaccine is released. That is how they know that a tetanus shot will last for about 10 years, and then after that a booster shot is needed. They have zero idea with this vaccine. The release of the vaccine is the test trial itself, and they will handle it as they implement it..

Taking from the History of Vaccines:

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

“Typically, vaccines take as long as 10-15 years to develop, according to the History of Vaccines. Researchers have to employ three phases to create one, beginning with testing animals before slowly moving to testing on human beings. “

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But it would be nice if there were some experts co-signing you. Because right now it looks like "random facts tied together by random internet person for hyperbolic conclusions" to me.
Plus you're barely acknowledging all the explanations I offered and the questions I asked, so it looks like you're not really interested in a discussion. So.. good luck, I guess?

What information did I provide wasn’t correct?

Medical Facts :

- vaccine usually takes 10-15 years to develop
- they don’t know the lasting effects of the covid vaccine
- they are going off 2 months of safety data
- they don’t know how the vaccine will affect children and pregnant women

Vaccines to protect against COVID-19 are being developed with unprecedented speed and technical skill, and I already pointed out that the quickest vaccine to every be created prior to this was for the mumps, and that took five years, but that went through the normal testing protocols.

I also provided you with a factual, credible link to the history of vaccines to support my statements. This is not hype or FUD. This is concern regarding a vaccine process that has been hyper-produced. I’m not saying it is bad or good. I’m simply saying that this is not the standard procedure in how vaccines are developed and administered. And yes this pandemic is a dire situation, which requires immediate attention and action, but as MEDICAL EXPERTS have pointed out , that doesn’t mean that medical ethics get pushed to the side. Again, this vaccine has been produced at light speed.


From the FDA ( experts):

“FDA noted there are some areas where there isn't enough data on the Pfizer vaccine, such as how it works in people with medical conditions like HIV/AIDS, in people who have recovered from COVID-19 infection, or how long the PROTECTION LASTS.

The report also highlights that while the Pfizer vaccine prevents recipients from getting sick with symptoms of COVID-19, there isn't enough data yet to know if the vaccine is effective enough at preventing all transmission of the disease that would eventually replace the need to wear masks, socially distance, and avoid large, indoor gatherings. So even if you are an early recipient of the vaccine it will be important to maintain these risk lowering techniques to protect others.”


Everything I have stated is not a myth, fabrication, hype, etc, this drug is being released with several , several, data gaps. So any normal, intelligent human being would be highly concerned about this entire process.

with the urgency and technology we have currently. I'd wager that most folks are somewhat aware that this is uncharted territory.

The speed is necessary based on the bleak situation were in. with the rapid increases of cases/deaths. with that, we'll be test dummies for sure.

This is what I am saying. We will be the test dummies to cover those data gaps, which is unprecedented.

I’m not saying I will not take the shot. However, I’m not going to take it immediately. It’s going to at be a least a year for me. A year’s worth of safety data would have me more confident.

I need to see how all demographics are affected by the vaccine.

Until then, I will continue to practice social distancing and taking the necessary safety precautions

or some other type of front line person, you won't even have a shot at being first in line. they target them and then they'll go after the 'vulnerable'. unfortunately, those two groups, which include folks in my fam, will be where a lot of data comes from.

and I don't see masks going away for a good while.

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please don't spread FUD

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/egg-allergies.htm#:~:text=Flu%20vaccines%20contain%20various%20components,1.35%20per%20one%20million%20doses).

"Can egg protein in flu vaccine cause allergic reactions in persons with a history of egg allergy?

Yes, allergic reactions can happen, but they occur very rarely with the flu vaccines available in the United States today. Occasional cases of anaphylaxis, a severe life-threatening reaction that involves multiple organ systems and can progress rapidly, in egg-allergic persons have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after administration of flu vaccine. Flu vaccines contain various components that may cause allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. In a Vaccine Safety Datalink study, there were 10 cases of anaphylaxis after more than 7.4 million doses of inactivated flu vaccine, trivalent (IIV3) given without other vaccines, (rate of 1.35 per one million doses). Most of these cases of anaphylaxis were not related to the egg protein present in the vaccine. CDC and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices continue to review available data regarding anaphylaxis cases following flu vaccines."

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

too many moving parts and responsibility for adult children to complete the task.

It was great knowing you all.

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>https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22163146/covid-vaccine-fda-review-safe-effective-time-pfizer-biontech
>
>Basically you don't get the shot and then are "all done and
>back to normal."
>
>You take it and a few weeks later you have around 52%
>immunity.
>
>Then you take the second does, wait another 2 weeks and your
>at the 95% immunity mark.
>
>So you keep wearing a mask and social distancing for at least
>a month.
>
>And just wear that mask until everyone is vaccinated in your
>area - they'll announce it on the news and you can track the
>case numbers.
>
>

I am going to need to do more legwork to understand the plan here. But let me write this out in my own long-winded words to see if I have it:

Zoomed out, a large % of people will need to get two doses of the vaccine in short order and then there'd be a large amount of people who are immune to/not able to contract COVID?

AND that in of itself should put us on a course to the virus 'slowing down dramatically' at least and 'dying out' in the most utopian models?

math.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

especially if there are any side effects from the first dose.
I hope Im wrong though.

peace & blessings,

x.

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focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
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zombie'd?

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

not to play semantics, side effects aren't always show stoppers. Adverse effects, like having trouble breathing, are show stoppers.

but yeah, point taken. hopefully folks understand that, for now, it's a two step process and go back to get the hook up.

other companies will come along later. maybe there will be a one shot option sooner than we think.

But apparently the experts think that even the first dose of the pfizer vaccine alone will confer some degree of immunity (maybe more for some groups than other). So if people don't follow up and get the 2nd needle, they MAY still be immune

I hate to make the comparison, but flu shot is only about 75% or so effective. if this covid thing does better than that, we will hopefully be in good shape............eventually.