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13413850, Biden’s Cancer Initiative spent mainly on staff salaries.
Posted by allStah, Sun Nov-15-20 10:34 PM
No money was remitted for grants, prevention or assistance. About 4 million was raised, and 3 million went to salaries.

This is not a good perception at all.

Was this mission simply created to put money in his friends’ pockets?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bidens-cancer-charity-spent-more-than-dollar37million-on-staff-salaries/ar-BB1b1w2W
13413855, I didn't know Taboo from Black Eye Peas had cancer
Posted by luminous, Mon Nov-16-20 07:11 AM
13413856, Neither did I
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 07:58 AM
and the salaries for nonprofits always seemed crazy high to me


I’m sure people will give reasons why it isn’t a problem but damn... when damn near all your donations pay for salaries it looks like a money grab.
13413857, We’re really about to do this?
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 07:58 AM
You search for this story and the sites that come up are the Post, Washington Examiner, and Breitbart ... the MSN link is just a reprint of the Post article.

Is he clean 🤷🏾‍♂️
Is everything above board 🤷🏾‍♂️

But it’s the folks trying to make this a story are not. Never. Not even a little bit.
13413869, Historically speaking, he’s a shady and mostly feckless politician
Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Nov-16-20 09:31 AM

There’s really no sign he’ll be able to circle the wagons, affect change, and realize much of his agenda.

But at least he isn’t Trump
13413925, there doesn't need to be a sign
Posted by Damali, Mon Nov-16-20 02:03 PM
he just needs to put the right people in the right positions to do it

y'all keep forgetting that the president doesn't actually "do" much...its the people in the cabinet and the department heads that actually do mostly everything. the most he can do alone is executive orders but the whole government does not run on those.

y'all stay on that 'one man' dumb shit.

this is an entire new administration coming in...THOUSANDS of people.

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13413929, just having heads of departments not actively trying to destroy their depts is big
Posted by mista k5, Mon Nov-16-20 02:11 PM
imagine having someone in charge of HUD that is actually trying to help the people needing their services instead of someone trying just cut off help as soon as possible?
13413972, exactly.
Posted by Damali, Mon Nov-16-20 05:23 PM

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13413870, Annnnnnnnnd here we go.....
Posted by blueeclipse, Mon Nov-16-20 09:34 AM
He's not even in office yet......
13413873, Yep, and here we go.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 10:18 AM
This could possibly be charity fraud. It would be one thing if it wasn’t created by him, and he was just supporting the initiative. He created the charity in honor of his son who died from cancer.

I’m sure it will be swept under the rug as ignorance, and he will claim that he was unaware of the financial handlings snd bookkeeping of the mission.

That motherfucker was elected as an alternative to a sociopath. He is basically a lesser evil president, and this is one of his evils.

The real change will come in 2024....no other way.
13413874, There's a near zero chance Barr wouldn't have opened an investigation
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 10:20 AM
If there was something was there. Publicly and loudly.
13413875, Where is the fraud though?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Nov-16-20 10:36 AM
I read all I could find on this and I haven't seen anything where they told donors they were going to do one thing then did another.

Also didn't see anything about donors complaining.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13413876, Dude also shut it down because it was a bad look
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 10:40 AM
13413885, You gotta be shitting me!
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 11:09 AM
Where was the possible Fraud?

Zero funds went to the research itself..zero

Salaries, travel, marketing, and other overhead shit. They basically spent 1 million to con people out of 3 million!

They Traveled to Market a mission that generated nothing but salaries.


13413886, Name a charity that spends on research
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 11:17 AM
13413889, All charities are frauds.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 11:29 AM
Only 5-15% of the money go to the charity itself.

It’s where the rich gets richer.

Call it what it really is. Quit playing.
13413892, So if you can tell that charities are ripe for BS
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 11:33 AM
How can you not tell which ones are fraud and which ones are just the norm?

Because fraud exists and it seems like you're conflating that with this.
13413894, You are what the numbers say that you are.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 11:48 AM
So when a charity in its entire existence spends zero money on the charity itself, after promoting that it would provide assistance, grants, etc to fight against cancer , then Yes it can be associated with fraud.

You said this this other day: “to be white, rich , old and carefree”, and that was in regards to Congress being lavish during a pandemic.

But you’re going to bat for this?

Come on, brethren.
13413901, I'm not going to bat for anything. The NYPost, Washington Examiner, and
Posted by MEAT, Mon Nov-16-20 12:24 PM
Breitbart aren't trusted news sources. And when the first people framing the story are the worst people, and nobody reputable is touching it yet ... it gives me pause before I form an opinion around it.
13413923, This is a good approach
Posted by GOMEZ, Mon Nov-16-20 02:01 PM
>Breitbart aren't trusted news sources. And when the first
>people framing the story are the worst people, and nobody
>reputable is touching it yet ... it gives me pause before I
>form an opinion around it.


See the 'Ballot Harvesting' scandal that some of these orgs tried to pin on Ilhan Omar. It actually didn't happen, wasn't illegal as they presented it, and had nothing to do with Omar.
13413888, American Cancer Society, Red Cross....etc
Posted by Castro, Mon Nov-16-20 11:28 AM
13413884, It’s prolly not fraud
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 11:07 AM
based on the laws for charities and salaries..

but if it’s true it’s definitely a bad look and IMO it should be considered fraud.

No way a charity should take in 4 mill and distribute no funds to anyone besides its employees.

13413899, yeah, not seeing the fraud
Posted by luminous, Mon Nov-16-20 12:10 PM
"The Biden Cancer Initiative has taken in several million dollars in direct funding for its operations, but the bulk of the money supporting the partnerships it promotes came in the form of indirect pledges.

That money did not go directly to the nonprofit but instead has been managed by the participating companies and organizations to fund their research and work."



Doesn't really say money raised for research was not used for research. Seemed the money raised was for operations and went deirectly to be managed by participating companies and organizations.

The Initiative only exsisted for 2 years so didn't really get off the ground.

Title sounds like click bait.
13413921, Ionno... but personally
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 01:55 PM
I’m not one to defend charities that spend most of their money on salaries and then dissolve after a few years

That’s just me tho

I still remember those lollipop charities and that 60 Minute piece that showed them on yachts because by law all they had to donate was 5%.

That’s when I first realize the hustle...

But some people have no issues with a non profit exec making big money.
13413871, I was promised it would be safe to call him trash after he was elected
Posted by Brotha Sun, Mon Nov-16-20 09:58 AM
Pleas being copped and he aint even in office yet. A sick cycle.
13413893, He's trash. I'm giving myself until January to give a shit, though
Posted by GOMEZ, Mon Nov-16-20 11:44 AM
The last 4 years has worn me out. Early signals are that if you believe in any kind of left leaning policy, that Biden is gonna need some serious push to get anywhere close to being on board. If you have the energy, I say go ahead and fire away.
13413895, He’s a diet Republican who is a lot nicer to minorities
Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Nov-16-20 11:55 AM
13413971, LOL.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Mon Nov-16-20 05:16 PM
13413897, Lmao. I had people on Biden’s ass the moment they voted
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 12:00 PM
There is no reason for a Black voter to wait to trash Biden.

We trash all presidents. It’s what we do.



13413900, not getting anything past a Republican Senate anyway
Posted by luminous, Mon Nov-16-20 12:15 PM
13413903, There is a lot he could do w/Executive power alone
Posted by GOMEZ, Mon Nov-16-20 12:30 PM
i mean, he's probably not passing any new laws, but his choice of cabinet appointments and military leadership could move us in a pretty positive direction if he has the courage or motivation to do so.

13413905, a lot of his cabinet appointments have to be approved by the Senate
Posted by luminous, Mon Nov-16-20 12:38 PM
.
13413912, you're not wrong, but historically it hasn't been a huge hurdle
Posted by GOMEZ, Mon Nov-16-20 01:15 PM
who knows, though. GOP def on some fuck shit, and I don't see Joe really giving enough of a shit to fight the good fight.

13413904, lol right on.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Mon Nov-16-20 12:36 PM
13413891, Thank god 45 is too lazy to have had an opposition research team.
Posted by Brew, Mon Nov-16-20 11:30 AM
13413936, Rudy Giuliani takes umbrage at this reply nm
Posted by vik, Mon Nov-16-20 02:28 PM
13413941, "... to have had a competent* opposition research team." My bad.
Posted by Brew, Mon Nov-16-20 02:42 PM
Haha.
13413896, lets let him get in office first please...
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Nov-16-20 11:55 AM
13413898, Most of all charity contributions go to salaries
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Mon Nov-16-20 12:07 PM
This one had about 64% of contributions going to salaries.

American Cancer Society has about 50%.
13413902, Right? I was like y'all know jack shit about charities, obviously.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Nov-16-20 12:24 PM
Like, this is NON NEWS.

Just some bullshit for people to bitch and moan about.
13413908, Right and it’s all bullshit.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 12:53 PM

And those charities are rip-offs. This is the same thing. Just another example of rich people lacing their pockets. Biden is a shyster just like all the rest.

Zero money went to what they said it was going to go to.

Charity is big business to make the rich richer.....



13413906, anyone here who's dumber than allstah
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Nov-16-20 12:50 PM
should fucking throw themselves in a well

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13413922, here's to 4 years of biden is just as bad as/worse than trump posts
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:00 PM
cheers
13413924, Haha.. not sure about all that
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 02:03 PM
but I definitely expect a bunch of “this fucking guy.. is this the best we got?”
post.

13413928, hey, i'm happy bro
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:06 PM
i'll take it all over the alternative
13413931, yeah but a worse version of trump in laying in the cut....
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Nov-16-20 02:16 PM
....and 4 years flies by fast these days ...if Biden plays patty cakes with his presidency like some previous democrats have, we will be really fucked come 2024.
13413935, a competent Trump is a huge concern obviously
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:26 PM
I'm just trying to exhale a little bit.
13413932, Not my take at all.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 02:16 PM
I’m just simply saying he is a shyster politician like all the rest.

Remember, he said that he would cure cancer if he were voted president. If that is not a shyster, I don’t know what is.

Well, he is president now and I expect him to 100 percent cure cancer.
13413937, well he did just lose his son to cancer
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:31 PM
you really think it made him say hey how can me and my buddies get paid off this?
13413948, Lol
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 02:52 PM
It hasn’t stopped politicians before. What does that have to do with anyone being a shyster or dishonest because they lost a loved one? Based on history, people have used that very thing to dupe the masses out of their money. It actually acts as more of a motivator.


Considering that most middle and top charities spend about 150,000 on salaries for executives, and Biden’s charity went well above that number. And charity analysts stated that it is recommended to spend no more than 25 percent of the money on overhead and administration cost, it definitely raises an eyebrow.

Did Biden help his associates to profit of his name and image, and the legacy of his son?

That is the question.

USA politics has a huge history of fraud and corruption, so asking that question is not far fetched. And it is not hunt. I voted for the guy.

13413950, did he twist his mustache and laugh too?
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:57 PM
13413954, RE: did he twist his mustache and laugh too?
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 03:03 PM
And this is why the masses continue to get duped. We just keep falling for the banana in the tailpipe even when it is pointed out.
13413956, damn sheeple
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 03:15 PM
13414258, liberals don't believe in anything
Posted by kayru99, Thu Nov-19-20 10:55 AM
there's no moral or political goals in place other than "not Republican".
you're wasting your time, bruh.
13413980, LMAO you see it
Posted by Amritsar, Mon Nov-16-20 06:51 PM
we're just missing Kira to come in here and remind us that Kamala is Indian lol
13413926, most of y'all have never actually run a nonprofit and it shows
Posted by Damali, Mon Nov-16-20 02:04 PM
i have.

two, actually.

this isn't as alarming as y'all want it to be, but imma let y'all rock. lol


d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13413930, this is just allStah saying allStah things.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Nov-16-20 02:14 PM
if you were in OKS much, this wouldn't be suprising.

he has THEE worst takes.
13413933, THE WORST
Posted by CherNic, Mon Nov-16-20 02:19 PM
13413934, Naw, this is authentic news being reported.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 02:20 PM
That is what this is. Period. If you want to add to it, then do so.
If not, keep it moving.
13413938, dawg, as usual of late, you're yelling "THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE!"...
Posted by PROMO, Mon Nov-16-20 02:32 PM
just because someone struck a match.

chill out.

you've been buggin lately.

i used to think you were a 18 year old Chelsea fanatic.

but now? i'm starting to think you're a 60 year old man who lives alone with numerous cats and does his "grocery" shopping at the Dollar Tree.
13413940, I have no idea what you’re referring to.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 02:40 PM
The thread was composed, peaceful and mature.

You’ve come in here on some agenda stuff and name calling, when people were debating and having PEACEFUL conversations, no matter what their stances were.

You called me out of my name and categorized me without even personally knowing me. You created the problem.

Now if you have anything meaningful to offer, then offer it. If not, as stated, keep it moving
13413942, I can’t trust anyone with that many favorite teams
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 02:45 PM
No loyalty.

13413952, lol
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Nov-16-20 02:57 PM
13413976, LMAO
Posted by Damali, Mon Nov-16-20 05:25 PM

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13414270, .
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Nov-19-20 11:35 AM
.
13413974, true. mostly i dont even look at screennames when i reply
Posted by Damali, Mon Nov-16-20 05:25 PM
but you right

i need to get better at avoiding his empty headed bimbo bullshit

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13413939, Ya'll got a lot of grace for Joe that you don't have for black folks
Posted by CIPHA, Mon Nov-16-20 02:37 PM
When enwords raise money and every single penny doesn't go to the cause, or whatever venture you supported isn't fulfilled to your satisfaction and in your timeline, you start calling niggas grifters and making up funny nicknames for them.

But when it's the white boy y'all come through with the "that's how nonprofits work" takes.
13413944, ok white man
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Nov-16-20 02:50 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13413951, Exactly.
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 02:57 PM
13413953, Uh oh
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 03:02 PM
13413959, You coulda spent five minutes of research before posting.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Nov-16-20 03:58 PM
Relevant paragraph:

"Mr Simon: The point of the Biden Cancer Initiative is not to fund projects, interfere with regulatory decisions, or to lobby. We do not give grants, we do not touch patient data, we are not a silo of genomic information. Instead, we’re looking for efficiencies that can be implemented and addressing cultural issues that might be slowing us dow­n— the brakes we are leaving on while we drive the car, so to speak. Our goal is to work with the different organizations to figure out how they can double what they’re doing. When problems arise, we’ll address it by assessing solutions that already exist. We want to enrich the possibilities to scale a ubiquitous solution to a local solution.

We focus on creating the solutions to the problems that we know already exist, elevating collaborations and new efforts that improve patient outcomes and save lives."






http://www.jons-online.com/issues/2019/march-2019-vol-10-no-3/2324-the-biden-cancer-initiative


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13413963, i mean, that sounds like mumbo jumbo, but still, BODIED.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Nov-16-20 04:29 PM
13413966, That’s an interesting way of them saying they ain’t doing shit
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-16-20 04:46 PM
sounds like a good tax write off tho.. lol

That was some ole “middle man” shit right there..

What exactly did they do?

13413967, I hear you but it also sounds like a stretch to call the org a "charity"
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Nov-16-20 04:54 PM
There are all sorts of non-profits that do things other than directly give benefits to their targets.

This initiative ain't March of Dimes and never put themselves out there as an organization that gives direct benefits to cancer patients.


This story is a hatchet job.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13413968, So basically it was a mission that did absolutely nothing
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 04:55 PM
but line their pockets.

Also, in that same link that you provided, he stated:

“The initiative works closely with patients and patient organizations, cancer researchers, cancer centers, research universities, governments, private and philanthropic sectors, and organizations including the Academy of Oncology Nurse & Patient Navigators to identify and address the critical issues in cancer prevention, research, and care to drive new actions and collaborations to find cures.”

None of that money that was spent went to any of those elements ....3 million to salaries and the rest to travel, accommodations, etc.

What did the initiative actually do?

When a charity spends over 25 percent of money on overhead....when most top charities are at that number or below, come on. Or when executive salaries are at a quarter of a million dollars, and the avg for charity executives is 125,000?

You’re giving a lot of leniency to a bunch of old, white rich guys in an industry that is known for scamming and creating loopholes.



13413970, who cares.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Nov-16-20 05:03 PM
it's just a bunch of rich people giving money to other rich people.

you acting like Joe that lives check to check working at McDonald's got swindled outta something.

i'm not downplaying how it sounds like they probably did little to nothing, but i'm SURE the vast majority of donors were just rich people that Biden knows, and they got their tax write off even if it just went to salaries.

this some "gotta hear both sides" reporting.
13413973, So I guess rich people using a serious medical disease
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 05:24 PM
to line each other’s pockets is okay with you? It’s not with me.

When there are actual people dying from cancer, can’t afford treatment, and don’t
have access to good facilities and doctors, it’s down right disgusting to me.

It’s called indirect exploitation: banking of the situation and predicament, instead of actually helping it.

We agree to disagree.

13413979, why would you reply to dude
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Nov-16-20 06:42 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13413985, I will say again. It's not a charity in the sense you are thinking of.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Nov-16-20 09:05 PM
It sounds more like a standards organization.

Just because you don't understand what it was intended to do doesn't mean that it was a fraud.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13413992, I know exactly what it is. It’s an organization
Posted by allStah, Mon Nov-16-20 10:36 PM
that exploited a serious medical disease to generate lucrative salaries for its
executives. They can spew whatever business language that comes to their minds about their initiative, but they really didn’t do anything.

They focused on providing data standards, to create mechanisms that allowed patients to share data with other patients who are going through the same fight, where researchers will use that data to come up with new answers and methods to improve access to quality care.....lol

Technical verbiage, basically meaning bullshit data being tossed around as work, while people get paid. Cats being paid a quarter of a million to overlook and administer data being pushed around to researchers, analysts, etc.













13413998, tldr; DYUR DUR-I POOPTED MY PANTS
Posted by handle, Tue Nov-17-20 01:28 AM
What a good look on you!
13414006, I guess this was a better story after the election than before for Trump
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Tue Nov-17-20 09:00 AM
I've gotta think Trump's oppo research folks have known about this for awhile but maybe they decided it would boomerang so hard against him that it wasn't worth releasing.

Now it can simply undermine Biden since we're no longer comparing them for the election.
13414261, Somebody once told me, the world was gonna roll me
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Nov-19-20 10:59 AM
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jWHffIx5E
13414267, lulz
Posted by luminous, Thu Nov-19-20 11:09 AM