Still counting. Still waiting.

given it has turned into election DAYS.


There is still time to edit.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

Lets make it happen...

And she was obviously open to VP during the veepstakes. So who knows.

I kinda hope she *doesn't* want party boss tho tbh lol

Seems like a super-thankless job that tends to destroy ones political capital with the electorate.

They're always the go-to scapegoat for Dem failures... even issues they had little to do with.

I saw Mississippi voted on a new flag to replace their old, racist one.

Saw a bunch of states passed weed.

Only thing interesting on the Mass ballot was ranked choice voting for state elections but that lost 55-45.

Florida added a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage to $15. And they shot down an amendment to have open primaries.

passed paid family leave

vetoed some BS banning late term abortions

passed joining the popular vote compact

>passed joining the popular vote compact

what I interpreted this as was no matter what happens with the vote in Colorado, CO is going to give their EVs to whoever wins in the popular vote in the country?

https://www.cpr.org/2020/11/04/colorado-will-join-the-national-popular-vote-compact-proposition-113/

Its basically a hack to get around the EC, as actually abolishing it would take much more effort.

did other states vote on it this year?

i looked into it the other day and was surprised to see how many and which states were pending on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact#:~:text=The%20National%20Popular%20Vote%20Interstate,and%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia.

PA, OH, VA and SC are all considering it. it wouldnt be enough for it to go into effect but much closer than i thought.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/14/supreme-courts-faithless-electors-decision-validates-case-for-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact/

On July 6, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that states have the power to require presidential electors to vote for their party’s candidate for president.

More specifically, the decision allows states to pass laws requiring presidential electors to cast their votes in a manner that faithfully reflects their commitment to vote for the person they promised to choose when they were nominated as an elector.

Supporters of a popular vote for president should understand two important and positive things about the court’s decision. First, the ruling underscores the fact that Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution accords states broad power over their electors. Justice Kagan wrote in the opinion for eight justices:

“Article II, section 1’s appointments power gives the States far-reaching authority over presidential electors, absent some other constitutional constraint. As , each State may appoint electors ‘in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.’ … This Court has described that clause as ‘conveying the broadest power of determination’ over who becomes an elector.”

The opinion goes on:

“The Constitution is barebones about electors. Article II includes only the instruction to each State to appoint, in whatever way it likes, . The Twelfth Amendment then tells electors to meet in their States, to vote for President and Vice President separately, and to transmit lists of all their votes to the President of the United States Senate for counting. … That is all.”

Justice Thomas reached the same conclusion as the other justices, but he (and Justice Gorsuch) said that the 10th Amendment provided a basis for the decision. Thomas wrote that the “powers related to electors reside with States to the extent that the Constitution does not remove or restrict that power. Thus, to invalidate a state law, there must be ‘something in the Federal Constitution that deprives the the power to enact such a measure.’”

This clear reaffirmation of the power of states to appoint their electoral votes “in whatever way it likes” supports the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and Article II, section 1 upon which National Popular Vote is based. States have broad authority over their electors, and nothing in this case would suggest this plenary power would suddenly be limited if the states’ electors were awarded to the National Popular Vote winner.

And second, the Court’s decision reinforces the validity of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Under National Popular Vote, states that combine for at least 270 electoral votes agree to award their electors to the presidential candidate who wins the most individual votes across the nation. (Fifteen states and the District of Columbia, totaling 196 electoral votes, have already passed the measure.)

In the 18 states currently without faithless elector laws, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would operate in a manner identical to the system that they have been using for over 200 years. In these states (which currently use the state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes), the presidential electors are chosen by the political party whose presidential candidate receives the most popular votes inside the state, and there are no additional requirements placed upon the elector.

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would operate in the same way, except that the presidential electors would be persons chosen by the political party whose presidential candidate receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Interestingly enough, after 23,529 electoral votes in 58 presidential elections between 1789 and 2016, the vote of Samuel Miles in 1796 was the only case where an electoral vote was cast for president in an unfaithful way by an elector who may have thought his vote could affect the outcome. (See section 2.12 of the book Every Vote Equal.) In their decision, the justices also noted that “… faithless voters have never come close to affecting an outcome.”

However, during the same period (1789 to 2016), there have been a number of “grandstanding” presidential electors—that is, electors who cast a deviant vote for president knowing that their vote would not affect the outcome in the Electoral College.

Prior to 2016, there had never been more than one grandstanding presidential elector in any given election. Having seven faithless electors in one year (2016) was unusual. All of the faithless electors in 2016 were well aware, at the time they voted, that their vote would not affect the outcome in the Electoral College because everyone knew that Donald Trump had won 36 more electoral votes than required for election.

Given the amount of publicity received by the grandstanding faithless electors in 2016, each political party can be expected to be extremely careful in 2020 about vetting the people they nominate for the position of presidential elector. If the political parties do their job carefully and well, faithless electors cannot have any effect on the outcome of a presidential election—under either the current system or the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

that will establish a bipartisan commission on redistricting, independent of the state legislature

Choosing to use the money otherwise spent on incarceration of addicts on treatment instead

...Seriously. We voted on that issue. 32% voted to keep it.


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$15 min wage in florida

nevada voted for marriage equality

arizona voted to fund schools by taxing high wage income earners


plus the others that have been mentioned.

Trying to see something...

https://twitter.com/karensbernstein/status/1324070275642806275?s=21


They’re literally saving our asses. Once again btw

despite over 3/4 of us voting blue is wild.

https://twitter.com/kimKBaltimore/status/1323694366863622145


but the sole blame is Latinos

>but the sole blame is Latinos

https://www.wsj.com/articles/latino-voters-drifted-from-democrats-in-florida-and-texas-11604582691

Dems need to work to get Latino votes instead of taking them for granted. no minority group deserves blame for any Democratic position.

because if the same percentage of white people voted for Biden as the percentage of Latinos who voted Biden, this election would've been over Tuesday.

that feels very on brand for her

I new for years but not at this fervor.

Damn near everyone who is Hispanic at my job was for Trump and the ones I know personally. They all spoke about not wanting open boarders (like it was. badge of courage to say so etc) but NADA about the administrations handling of the economy, covid, child separation, the racism aspects, etc

Like the poster said at the end of this thread, I wonder if assimilation is the key, and of so..wtf? They cant be that naive.

Cubans, etc. are all very different people

>Cubans, etc. are all very different people


really?? tell me more!

sssss

political views and approaches

>political views and approaches


again..duh! youre not actually schooling anyone on this primary shit...please go siddown somewhere

is a shame.

If the pool of voters increased dramatically (which it seems it did), then of course it will increase among all groups. The number can increase and it doesn't have to mean Trump gained support, in fact the increased number can indicate Trump lost support.

For example, Like lets say the voting pool is up 20% across the board. So if 100 people voted in 2016 now its 120. and if 15 black people voted in 2016 then 18 black people voted in 2020. If 3 black people voted for Trump in 2016 and 4 black people voted in 2020, yeah the raw number is up since 2016, but now since 18 black people voted in 2020 the percentage of black people voting for trump is actually down.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

mostly what im seeing is there is a big decrease in third party vote which was split pretty evenly.

7.8 million people voted third or other in 2016, so far 2.3 million did the same in 2020.

both biden and trump increased their turnout by 109% so far.

overall turnout is 105% compared to 2016 so far.

voting age population and voting eligible population increased by 103% so there is a bigger turnout by any measure this year.

so yeah more voters decided they didnt want trump but just as many voters decided yeah i do want trump.

I haven't seen any stories about the raw number, just the percentage.

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls

I was reacting to memes like this I see going around:

https://twitter.com/Essence/status/1324033899027116032/photo/1

but even this Vox story isn't necessarily comparing apples to apples because they are comparing the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study versus the 2020 exit polls by Edison Research and I would bet money that that 2% is within the margin for error when comparing those two different studies.

I would feel much more comfortable with this take if either of the two original pollsters made that analysis, not VOX.

I just think its too early to be making these types of call.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Reeq is absolutely right that it doesn't make any sense. But on an anecdotal level (which I know doesn't mean shit), I seem to know a few blacks & latinos that were 45 supporters. I don't think it's out of the question.

Even if it is true that more black men voted for 45, that doesn't in any way diminish the fact that black folks held it down and put our weight on this election.

the same people are pushing dramatic narratives based on exit polling where the sampling is notoriously unreliable because of how differently members of each party voted this election.

trumps supposed increase in support among minority groups was overwhelmingly driven by his increase in support from men in that group. especially hispanics...who had the widest gender gap of any group.

but also...trump supposedly lost a non-insignificant chunk of support from white men. the racial and gender groups he does the best with.

somehow that makes sense to everyone and they just run with it.

theyre framing the election around trumps increase (and bidens failure) with minority groups and not about the 70 million morally decayed white people who had no problem voting for this monster.

you got rich media elites talking about how dem party elites are losing touch with basically every group but whole food shoppers. blacks, latinos, (white) working class, rural voters, etc.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

To be clear I don’t want that job either lol

But you Can feel his anxiety

because if they don't they'll have to call the race

Trump would lose his shit even more than he already has.

Like they are doing stuff, like calling AZ, that MSNBC would be slayed for doing.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...when it comes to calling states. This is post-2000, obviously. But since then, they've reportedly been the best in business in this area.

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1324435935778414595

The predictions or calculations based on current numbers by the news outlets are
comical at times, especially when shit drastically changes.

Like what happened, you said this, fam. But now it’s this!

Back to you, Bob.

I am confused, did it just so happen that the swing states also happened to be the last states tabulated or is it the fact that they are the last states tabulated making them the swing states?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

No, not at all, they’re just the only ones we care about

CA is still at 60% it just doesn’t matter

Just because of the massive amount of credibility Fox will lose among the deplorables if that happens. Fox will have incorrectly called a state Trump actually won, that no other news org called not even the fake news Nytimes!

I’m torn tho since I definitely want the strongest possible rebuke of Trump also.

Trump has already called out Fox before, but it still remains the GOP's state news channel.

if it falters because of this, nothing better will come in its place. we'll just have the QAnon Network or something.

> QAnon Network or something.

OANN will ascend to take its place, or some other fringe network that doesn’t even have to take synergy with other parts of a corporate empire into account (like fox does), to keep the crazy slightly in check.

i just mentioned Fox because.. well you know

even Drudge called AZ yesterday

of John McCain can haunt Trump for the rest of his life.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I hope they start to increasingly differentiate themselves from Trumpism

in anyone’s mind this nigga is gone.

she's in. but 1.6 million votes shouldnt be ignored.

is this a wake up call to both major parties?


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/libertarian-candidate-jo-jorgensen-pulls-some-votes-from-biden-and-trump-calls-election-a-wake-up-call/ar-BB1aJ7aT?ocid=ientp

Monday.

Jo doesn’t mean jack shit right now

1.14 percent marks a steep drop-off from Gary Johnson's 3.28 percent in 2016

but she did manage to beat every other third-party and independent candidate in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

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i regularly expose my poor brain and eyes to crazy political shit DAILY.

beween my wife and I, I'm the one whos first to say "did you see what in the fuck is happening in X?"

this shit through?

I'm tuning out and its been good.

What the fuck is happeneing? I don't know.

Where we at in the count? I don't know.

When we gonna know? I don't know.


Friends and family: "man, I'm going through it, I've been drinking, not able to sleep..."

me: "Oh man, oh wow"



People cope with uncertainty in many ways, I've just sorta tuned it out.

You only need to know one thing right now. ONE. THING.

Is Biden the president? Is Trump the president?

All this 538, wannabe Nate Silver, string, pushpins and maps in the garage craziness is...like, why give a fuck?

I give no fucks if more black people voted for Trump or if white women did this time than the last.

It just is what it is. Either we got Trump or we don't.

And if we got Trump, don't even break your brain trying understand why people would even vote for him. You didnt get it then, you wont get it now.

I get what you are saying but nah...

you consume a decent amount of info from the other side to stay informed and NOW you want people to unplug?

*Turns up the TV*

If Trump was winning I would see your point but now? NOW???


Nigga, just pop the popcorn b, we watching the circus and it’s almost the grand finale

it's 2020 dude, why you playing as if anything normal will happen? fundamental shit like gravity stopped working a while ago.

I'm not going to get excited over a damn thing until I see Biden's alabaster claw on a bible on a cold January morning.

Until then, I got my eye on the fringes and pits.


I dipped my toe into the pool and the response has not been "well shit, maybe people just don't want to vote for Trump"

nope.

it's been "No no! See? Something has to be up, how...why....that many votes just can't go to Biden, something has to be up"

Bring on the clowns!!

go burn a candle. do some yoga. read a book. dive into some pussy. something.

Fear of socialism, fear of Jesus, and fear of being not being respected by whites.

Bunch of dumbass bullshit. Im so disappointed in Latinos. They let every one down, really thinking that they'll get the same respect from a piece of shit like trump and his goons.

>Fear of socialism, fear of Jesus, and fear of being not being
>respected by whites.
>
>Bunch of dumbass bullshit. Im so disappointed in Latinos. They
>let every one down, really thinking that they'll get the same
>respect from a piece of shit like trump and his goons.

the era of blaming voters and voting blocks for being 'idiots' needs to end, if for not better reason than we'll never win votes by calling people stupid.

I get that we're all emotional right now, but the move can't be blaming people for their vote - it has to be 'how do we win them over', no matter how right or wrong you think their votes were.

And it is generally true and I get over Dems all the time in all other instances.

But this is the one instance where I am like dunk on the voter because the alternative was Trump and I dunk on anyone whose seen all of this and say, yeah give me more Trump.

This can't be the mindset going forward, but F everyone who voted for Trump.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

they ok with what Trump etc represents?

>the era of blaming voters and voting blocks for being
>'idiots' needs to end, if for not better reason than we'll
>never win votes by calling people stupid.
>
>I get that we're all emotional right now, but the move can't
>be blaming people for their vote - it has to be 'how do we win
>them over', no matter how right or wrong you think their votes
>were.

I think Democrats need to find a way to reach voters, man. Counter mis-info, share policies, illustrate for people how their lives will be better, be open and honest about ways past policies have failed, and try and win votes.

If we start by assuming 47-48% of the country are just huge pieces of shit, and treating them as such, that's a losing recipe. You gotta find a way to pull people back as much as possible, as painful as it is.

if these last two elections haven't made it clear then you'll never see it

so if you start by writing off half the people how you gonna win?

for the Dems. the problem is they are not motivated to vote for Dems, because the current DNC strategy is to tip toe and protect the 45% white vote they get at all costs. and minorities should fall in line for their own good. a platform is not "we are not as bad as Trump."

how come white voters can manipulate the Dem strategy over any grievance, but minorities need to just vote 90-10 Dem no matter what?

*looks at current Dem leadership*

oh yeah.

There's still a huge untapped pool of voters who weren't compelled by either candidate or party to go and vote. It's going to take some self reflections by Democrats to see how you can win them over and get them to turn out.

Trump voting is a character and moral flaw. There is nothing redeeming about that man. I can't stand the GOP, but trump, I hate this man. So anyone who voted for him is doneso for me.

Had it been say a standard GOP nominee vs Biden and Latinos voted for him. I'd be upset, but not in the same way I am now.

did to them I understand ala immigration/legalization reform.
they gave him plenty of chances but he kept breaking them...so they bounced.

then shot down immigration reform in the senate another year.

people think the dude who did daca and dapa (shot down by republican supreme court) didnt wanna do immigration reform?

Gop ran away from that shit like roaches with the light on

if there's a mistake the dems make with latinos its the assumption that the GOP/Trump's stance on immigration is enough to make them blue.

I agree in that it's their job to win your vote.

But you cast your vote.

The choices are what they are, and this time it was Trump or Biden.

Trump is TRUMP, and all the baggage that comes with it.

That right there is more than enough to vote for Biden, if for no reason other than to get Trump out of office, because, despite what cynics seem to think.... they are not simply two sides of the same coin, and they are not equally bad.

So if your voting Trump, it's h because you're good with some part of his message, policies, etc enough that it outweighed all of his clear and unarguable negatives

If you're voting Trump because Biden didn't kiss enough babies or visit your state enough times or what have you, that's essentially a tantrum because you didn't get wined and dined enough.

Politicians need to earn our votes, I agree. But the options are the options, and who you vote for is a reflection of yourself and what you value.

On the "blame" front, I struggle with that somewhat. I'm not for wholesale blame of anyone who votes for him, because, frankly, people can be easily swayed in the right situation, by the right people.

I absolutely HATE to say it, but we cannot discount Trump's charisma and persuasiveness, because he taps into very basic sensibilities, no matter how much you/me/we see through it.

I also have a difficult time "blaming" entire groups who are already disenfranchised. Reeq nailed it when he pointed out that his base is still mostly comprised of white racists, so I agree that, in the case of minority groups who didn't shun him the way many of us hoped they would, we shouldn't be laying any specific blame at their feet.

That said, in general, I do feel a way about anyone who votes Trump.

especially to non-white people.

>That said, in general, I do feel a way about anyone who votes
>Trump.

I think it's more productive long term for Democrats and people pushing policies that will move our country forward to avoid blaming voters, as frustrating as those voters are. It's just a shit instinct in general. I've seen people blame black men, latinos, men, white women, white men (clearly the most culpable group here) for Trump's succes. The more productive question is how do we win them back? how do we win them over? Are our policies good enough or compelling enough?

Biden wasn't even in favor of legalizing weed, which is one of the most bullshit mechanisms that police still have for locking up minorities and poor people. There is a lot democrats could do to meet some of those people half way and give them an even clearer alternative to Trump.

the narrative is always that dems failed some group so they went to the gop...who offered what?

like theres this school of thought that the white working class left the dem party to join the far right but will get woo'd back by socialism lol.

if the lack of bottom up economic policy is why they abandoned dems then why are they flocking to the party of tax increases on the working class and no social safety net?

if an intentionally mishandled pandemic (which disproportionately affects hispanics...especially in places like tx) and a horribly mismanaged economic recovery (which also disproportionately affects hispanics) and the barbaric treatment of hispanic immigrants dont persuade them to seek an alternative to trump/repubs...then what will?

lots of people still believe that Trump is great for the economy

Dems have shitty, shitty messaging to the general public

and part of it is due to the huge divides within the party on how to move forward

I certainly do not think the GOP guerrilla tactics should be normalized by the Dems. but the Dems need to recognize what they are fighting.

I get a lot "they can't do that! hypocrites!" protests from Dems, which a warm blanket for liberals but don't do shit to move the voters they need.

would you say the Dem messaging is cohesive?

whether it is tangible or real, that's another question. In my mind unless you're rich or really hyped about banning abortion, he probably didn't offer much. My point is you gotta find a way to communicate that, and give them a much better alternative. You can't just come in on some 'man, Latinos really suck'.

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/11/5/2020_election_ballots_electoral_college?fbclid=IwAR2HRbeeeEFhwjITRR-YTbuKwovkoV9_W0JfqVkvxekzZOigZ2r80ecUBSM

but he made the point which would you rather getting 70% of 20 mil votes or getting 68% of 30 mil votes.

Definitely a good point of reference.

Still mad at the trump voters though, lol bunch of dumbasses.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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You can’t tell someone how to exercise their vote. Latin Americans are not a static demographic, nor do they have the same relationship with America.

You better pinpoint your Latin target. All Puerto Ricans are American
citizens. All Mexicans are not, so their political agenda is going to be different. illegal Mexicans affect the job markets of legal Mexicans big time.

That’s what I have learned about politics, which has given me a mature perception.

We don’t all have the same agenda

But I can judge and be judge too. I am venting my frustrations. I live in FL, I know very well that Cubans, Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, who fear socialism vote conservative because they fear that. I get it.

The choice is trump, that is what I judge, I would never try to take away someone's vote, but seeing who it goes to definitely is disappointing.

Let trumpy judge me for voting for Biden, I don't care, they may not care that I judge them.

If a person has strong views on abortion and immigration, and a lot of Latin Americans do, that’s a different interest and political relationship.....more than likely, they are going to swing conservative.

I have a Nigerian friend who hates Nigeria, and never wants to go back there. And tells me never to go there. America is a paradise to him. On the flip side, and for a lot of African Americans, we want to get out of America because of our history with slavery and police brutality in this country. 2 different American relationships! All that shit is foreign to him.

Those are the elements that guide political affiliations...

He told latino voters to vote for trump.


Biden failed to be held accountable and promise them anything of substance. Its his job to be worth voting for.


You know who DID have good numbers with latino voters?










:) :) :) :) Guess

Biden wasn't great on immigration, but the first 100 days plan he outlined on immigration would be better than what Trump offered. So he did a shitty job defining and leading with his actual policies. Also, even though his policies were better, they weren't like light years better, and given his history it was hard to take him at his word that he would really fight to implement those policies and take on the rogue institution that is ICE.

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2020-us-presidential-election-results-live-map

2,439,678
2,430,153

historical precedence. the uncounted mail-in votes are coming in from historically Dem areas.



Black America saved our asses. And I will not allow Eric Trump and them to have me shook

in the face of disenfranchisement and attempts to divide our own party

thank you.

looking forward to the runoff

http://youtu.be/_kH_EZF0XqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzvchBAttIg&ab_channel=BrittanyHowardVEVO



and yes i know the song isnt about the state lol

I mean, I know it's stupid but I'm superstitious and wanna know I did my part.

TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GET HERE

I'm TALKING YEARS AND YEARS

.

and more importantly, who is not.


the venn diagram is so clear

https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/status/1324193055025569792

but

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1324486045963034625




damn imagine the numbers if we chose a candidate who during a pandemic, the largest protest movement in american history, and climate crisis didnt have a record of being regressive on these exact issues.


yall are old and upset that incrementalism isnt the wave anymore.

people voted for joe because they were terrified and you're satisfied with that.


Downballot progressives are running laps right now. amazing to see

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1324453498897932289

https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1324469405812666375

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1324446159939772421

if you can stomach it...take a quick look down their timeline.

its always been weird af to me that the culture of modern day conservatism is basically accepting the fact that everyone like you is lying to each other. but it doesnt matter because the most important thing is that it fits the narrative/agenda true or false.

these folks are knowingly posting obvious disinformation and fake shit to each other and getting riled up by their own lies lol.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1324486548788809730

biden is gonna end up winning pa and fox news is gonna be the 1st channel to call the election for him lol.

im lovin it (c)

because it says 95% in. so does that mean 5% left to count or 5% of ballots not returned and way more than that to count?

cuz if it's 5% to count, seems like that's not enough votes to overtake a 78K deficit, no?

(how elections REALLY work and are discussed should be taught in school cuz i'm sure i'm one of millions feeling hella dumb right now).

meaning from the estimated total in-person, dropped off, and mailed votes that have been recorded...5% is left to count.

so in this case...should be like 330k left or something like that.

and from the area that theyre mostly coming from...biden has like a 3:1 margin i think.

are colluding to delay the results in az and nv because they wanna let pa (bidens birthplace) be the state that puts him over the top and makes him president.

and i actually hope that one is true.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1324493136853262336

https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/1324487077115940866

on the South Lawn

I think it's extremely unlikely that Trump will concede, even after every news outlet declares Biden/Harris the winners. I assume there will be weeks of recount demands, and attempts to place his own loyal electors in highly-contested states, to give him Electoral College votes where he lost the popular vote.

Hopefully I'm worried for nothing, but I don't see this truly ending until December or January.



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Return To Zero: A rap radio show hosted by mrhood75 (Spider Jerusalem) and me (UrkelMoeDee)
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like the pa republican party is shooting down that elector scheme that overrides the will of the state voters.

and repub govs and election officials are basically telling him to stfu and let the votes get counted.

even tho im sure they liked the power he gave their party...i get the impression that a lot of them cant wait til he goes away.

I think he'll start to make noises about not conceding, but once Fox and popular republicans start dogging him he'll do it.

If widespread voter fraud is (according to Republicans) doable, effective, and as history has shown unpenalized, why wouldn't greasy Repubs do it?

The group of people with a win at all cost mentality don't dare go this route? What's the logic?

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He was just spewing lie after lie claiming fraud...

In a way that's always kind of lingered as a NE guy but is really coming front and center for me with this election. Every state I look at, particularly the ones that are going to define this election, a pattern stands out again and again:


GA
Just how incredibly Atlanta and its suburbs are affecting the perception of this state's vote specifically

PA
Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown Blue
majority of counties red

NV
Vegas, Reno blue
Almost everything else red

NE
Omaha, Lincoln blue
Everything else red

WI
Madison, Milwaukee blue
Nearly everything else red

MI
Ann Arbor, Flint, Detroit, Grand Rapids blue
Nearly everything else red

etc. etc. etc.

And specifically because of how our state operates, and how significantly that played into the overnight optimism yesterday and the AM hours of today, that that blue vote in Omaha for a time seemed like the single most significant vote in the country...if we can't kill the electoral college because of what it represents for representation, shouldn't it be more clear than ever that the system as is doesn't represent its state's constituents for BOTH sides?

Would breaking every state up by district be a net negative for progressives? Without running any numbers, I think yes, but I can't ignore how good it feels to say NE is mostly one thing, but I live in the space where it's not.

The map has also been useful to show friends that are incredibly closed minded in this city, because it makes it so abundantly clear that being surrounded by strange looking people with strange sounding ideas often makes their looks and their ideas less and less strange, to the point they might even look and sound normal, and you increasingly find people voting less out of pure self-interest or self-image than a betterment for the people around you or just a general empathy for non-hetero, non-white experiences that are abstractly very easy to relate to but without that face-to-face relationship equally easy to hand wave and other.

This post turned into a rant and I'm sure for even slightly older or just more consistently tuned in people this is nothing new - hell, like I said early it's not especially new for me - but I'm increasingly curious how this country can continue to operate on this Country vs. City mentality, especially when so much of our mainstream idealism and entertainment is rooted in the cowboy ethos of industry squashing individuality and so much of our science fiction being rooted in metros becoming police states.

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This was that times a million.

This piece of shit literally created an alternate reality with his lies that MILLIONS of inbred retards believe.

FUCK him and anyone who loves him times a billion. I can’t wait until he fucking dies.

But first.......he’s gonna eat this motherfucking L and SWALLOW.

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1324501138943758336

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmGUKoDXYAI25_f?format=jpg&name=large

. https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1324471680241205248?s=19
**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You are old and think incrementalism is still the wave.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1324381490797547522
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Increasingly, when Dem donors see a shiny object in a red/purple state, they flood the zone w/ out-of-state $$. And in combing through Tuesday's down-ballot wreckage, it's not clear that $$ did more good than harm.
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uh they became shiny objects because of your fucked up ass polls and projections models.

we are not to be f*cked with lol

We are so fucking amazing yet the whole whole world hates our skin, our features, our attitudes. Still we rise.

**finger guns**

than Biden tbh

Like holy shit sis

THAT is how you flip a state

this generation's fannie lou hamer

I stan so hard






>We are so fucking amazing yet the whole whole world hates our
>skin, our features, our attitudes. Still we rise.

I didn't even know until this week what she was doing post loss, but she been out here killing it.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1324506154148515842

im starting to think dude might just quit a month or two early and have pence pardon him for whatever federal crimes he knows he committed.

When he contradicted trump


Barr too. Even these dudes have their limits

But I imagine he's not going to be too loud about it. He thinks he can be president in 2024.

I really hope this is one of the 'break the spell' type of moments for a lot of people.

Sure there's going to be some people insisting that the Emperor is still wearing clothes, but hopefully a LOT less.

thats getting overshadowed by all of the noise.

>thats getting overshadowed by all of the noise.

Real talk, how ticked off are some white women about this? They have to be at least a little salty, right? Black dude and maybe soon a Black woman? Talk about being in on the heist until you see your cut!

But they obviously didn’t want that...

nieces and granddaughter they can be president of the US while crossing their fingers behind their backs.

Something to tell the grandkids one day

father, and appeared on the Breakfast Club. white women will feel sick.

super obnoxious now...

lol

is fucking euphoric

they realized that Papa Trump just crashed the Family Truckster into the ditch on the way to Wally World.

It's like high def slo motion video of watching a bubble pop.

Not a bullet to the head.

Metaphorically speaking.

Hope he dies slow too

https://twitter.com/DrAlGrossAK/status/1324520257885773824
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The dynamics of the Alaska Senate race at this hour remain in a state of flux. With approximately 44.6 percent of the ballots not yet counted, we believe we will win once every vote has been counted in the state.
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he has a breakdown of the prospective votes in the thread.

For so many reasons.

The (re)enfranchisement of black voters in that state.

For what happened to Stacey, and how she fought back.

For the passing of John Lewis this year.

The upcoming runoffs.

Just wow.

I've had that luda + field mob on loop since I logged into this post lol

Even just coming within 0.1% has me hype

Governor again or a future Pres run in interviews.

But who knows.

I'll repost what I said in 178 to stadiq tho:


I kinda hope she *doesn't* want party boss tho tbh lol

Seems like a super-thankless job that tends to destroy ones political capital with the electorate.

They're always the go-to scapegoat for Dem failures... even issues they had little to do with.

...to run for Governor or Senator or whatever she wants to do next.

She's more than earned it.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1324533217311879168

and the split from the last vote dump was biden 1154 and trump 165.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmGUKoDXYAI25_f?format=jpg&name=large

They shook

I panicked. I was so upset by the number of people that still voted for him lol

this is redemption!

>
>this is redemption!
>

https://twitter.com/_r_o_n_e_/status/1324486437857714176?s=21

if Biden doesn't end his victory speech with "the American people have spoken, and they have two words for you, President Trump: You're fired." I want my vote back.

Anything like that and he'll be blamed for "dividing" the country. Yes, I know Dipshit In Chief has committed his whole political career to being divisive, but Biden is going to have to appear to be better than that.

Do and say all the right things, undo all of Drumf executive horseshit, and than quietly send the Justice Department after his ass.

Enough of Dems trying to play nice and find middleground. That has gotten them nowhere. Give the Repugs a taste of what it's like before we go back to being absolute pussies.

You think after 4 years of Biden being civil anything is gonna change across the aisle about how they act? NOPE.

Namely spending time undoing every single one of Drumf's executive orders and sending the Justice Department after all their asses.

Hell, I believe Pelosi should spend the lame duck session impeaching Drumf, Barr, DeVos, and anyone else she can think of. Let her do the dirty work.

But acceptance speeches have to be about you, not the other guy. Let Drumf skulk off and whine like a bitch in the process. As said by Reeq above, his slow and painful demise is good for now.

>Enough of Dems trying to play nice and find middleground.
>That has gotten them nowhere. Give the Repugs a taste of what
>it's like before we go back to being absolute pussies.
>
>You think after 4 years of Biden being civil anything is gonna
>change across the aisle about how they act? NOPE.

Not the move.

The sooner we can return to any semblance of normalcy the better

But I understand the sentiment.

...fucknuts any more public oxygen. This is the biggest moment of Biden's career, and it should be about him.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1324508745335001088

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And then what happens with provisional ballots?

and to slowly walk it down to less than 2k votes...in GEORGIA. That's amazing to me.

All the remaining votes are from overwhelmingly blues counties. Earlier today Biden only needed a 60/40 split on the remaining ballots. I'm guessing it's an even smaller ratio by now.

They're saying he may pull ahead sometime tonight.

and Biden needs 8K of those.

i dunno. i'm not even gonna hold you - i don't fully grasp all these election numbers.

also, there's a lot of numbers flying around so maybe i'm seeing the wrong numbers.

...where he's been getting 60% to 70% of the votes. Last batch that put in was from Clayton county, of which 87% were for Biden.

More than 12,000 military and overseas citizen ballots were cast in Georgia in 2016.

So those will be votes by mail that will also skew Blue.

Military votes are just some of them.

...if he thought a batch a military votes were coming to save him.

Based on https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

n/m

they prolly thought the gov and sos had everything sewn up.

i think the fact that so many people early voted and used mail in ballots kinda put a damper on how much shit they could pull off with those shady ass bar code voting machines.

Democrats are stealing the election, when GA's governor and sos are Republican, just shows how frazzled he is.

in the pre-election polls, in the exit polls, the ones YOU know, the majority of them are good with what this man has done and voted for him to do it again for another 4 years despite not being able to admit it publicly. When they went in that voting both it was different story. People thought it wouldn’t be close and would be a “referendum” and here we are waiting on results days(and possibly weeks) after the election. We can point the finger at various minority groups but the bigger picture is this is their president. And it wasn’t all backwoods rednecks voting for him. Most of the white people you know voted for DT.

Strav said was gone.

I just skimmed the wikiepdia entry for it.

Truly do learn something new everyday.

Thank you for introducing it.

n/m

the add'l support from white women not only lied but cannot be trusted.

the few white women in the office have seen an about face w/ me. as history has taught me, its the white woman who's the snake in the grass.

We are in here bumpin Decatur Psalm

(it's the NY Post, which is basically a gossip rag, but still)

https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/vladimir-putin-planning-to-step-down-next-year-report/

Putin is more likely to “resign” and put a figurehead in his place while he pulls all the strings from behind the scenes.

But if its really parkinson's, I can't see him holding the same amount of power if he has serious tremors and/or trouble talking. Allegedly he's a billionaire, so again he's going to have a some power, but it won't be the same.

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Poetic justice

I keep hearing about the absentee vote being outstanding (12k votes in ‘16), out of those the military share is likely conservative, but the expats probably skew liberal?

Stanton-King's edges off her scalp

https://twitter.com/BuffyPeters15/status/1324543181380308993

https://twitter.com/jerrysaltz/status/1320326810488442880?s=21

https://twitter.com/farfarraway/status/1324518079158751232?s=21


https://twitter.com/robertklemko/status/1324511965914505216?s=21

And this article has me laughing.


https://twitter.com/farfarraway/status/1324445689745678342?s=21


I love this city.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHQQU2sj6bS/?igshid=1if0ecgu1mscl

wouldn’t matter and kept using freshman year talking points..

It’s literally happening in front of their eyes..

Not sure if they voted or not but it’s amazing to see it play out like this.

what more proof do you need?

The slow and continuous burn

Burn slow like blunts with hydro

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https://youtu.be/fmdrmctL0Js

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Actual tears right now.

wake up, Kornacki's on the board

dude is a beast

https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/E0ju5MkIuSoxQlMu3mPekA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz04MzU-/http://thequackattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ezgif.com-gif-maker2.gif.cf.gif

I had that shit blasting on my way to work.

Keep the full court press on!! I want uncontested 360 fast break dunks when up 20! Keep throwing deep and going for 2 point conversions! Keep stealing bases! Keep punching him even after he’s knocked out.

RUN IT UP AND RUB IT IN!!!

the results aren't official until the counts are re-done for a second time, correct?

I had lost all faith in this country

Yeah, I know a lot of people voted for that POS but it’s good to see more of us are on the right side of history.

I was like “ fuck you, fuck you, fuck white women, fuck white people, your cool, fuck you”

in a blue ass city.

Fuck you talking about

and his supporters

it's beautiful

flip one by one so slowly, and then having GA emerge as the cornerstone of "The New South"

they gonna be sick for months.

Looks like the rabble rousing the Trump clan is doing is just looking sadder and sadder:

from Wapo
"Some in the president’s orbit, including his family, grew incensed that more Republicans were not echoing his comments and publicly fighting for his reelection. Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., on Twitter called for “2024 GOP hopefuls” to forcefully speak out on his father’s behalf — a not-so-vague allusion to the influence the president and his family are likely to hold over the Republican Party for years to come. Trump’s son Eric also took to Twitter to lament, “Where is the GOP?! Our voters will never forget . . .

Some of the efforts the campaign did manage to mobilize had an amateurish feel. In North Las Vegas, Richard Grenell, the former acting director of national intelligence, and Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union, held a news conference to draw attention to what they claimed were illegal votes. But Grenell refused to give his name to local news reporters, who did not recognize who he was, and then declined to answer follow-up questions asking him to provide specific evidence for his claims."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ2r1vQ_3Ak


I'm bout to wear nothing but State Property brand the next few months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM

So far I’ve got welcome to Atlanta, Philadelphia Freedom, a bunch of sound of Philadelphia stuff, Dirty South. Hall and Oates. Suggestions please.

And not for the region, but Lil Flip’s - Game Over with the “Flip!” refrain and pictures of the states that flipped are going on my IG/FB story to taunt any potential Trumpers in hiding to identify themselves and remove themselves from my followers/friends list.

And all the other states that went blue. I feel the tears.

GA flipped, AZ basically confirmed. A bit later PA flips.

Just waiting for PA to get called. Follow it with NV, AZ, GA...and NC?

GA is really the story of the election. I definitely was skeptical when 538 was showing it had a chance to flip. Wasn't until election day that I pretty much decided to believe but I also bought in on TX and FL. No way GA goes blue and TX and FL doesn't right? So to see it go blue even when TX and FL stay sucking? Very nice. I really hope it gets called for Biden.

Not to mention the hope it keeps alive in the Senate.

So much respect for everyone that made it happen.

It's not going to happen.

https://twitter.com/varietypaul/status/1324728771136507906?s=20

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/6/21534594/joe-biden-wins-2020-presidential-election

Results would start out looking too-good-to-be-true for Biden, as early-vote results get plopped down at the start.

Then it'll swing heavily toward Trump later that night as states count in-person votes.

Then it'll slowly swing back to Biden over the next week as mail-ins are opened and counted.

This is the outline we were all told to expect, and all of us (myself included) flipped out when it actually happened.

All told, Biden will get 306 electoral votes by my count. Not the landslide everyone hoped for, but well within the margins of error of the aggregators, including the (horrifically disappointing) result in the Senate (which, by the way, a few of us around here predicted a year ago).

they did say Tx and Fl could flip and the Repubs would lose the Senate and take a beating in the house. They also hyped up the polls.

Yes, they said it *could* flip, but they also said it most likely wouldn't flip. In Texas they said Trump would end with somewhere between 47 and 54 percent of the vote.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/texas/

Trump is currently at 52, with 15% of the vote still not counted. And again, this is mail-in vote that will likely favor Biden --- it won't turn the state but it might leave Biden *ahead* of their mean prediction.

As for Florida, they predicted Trump's number to be between 45 and 52.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/florida/

He finished at 51.

People misunderstand polls thinking they're meant to predict the future. They're meant to estimate probabilities. I'm sure there will be some results somewhere that are outside the margin of error, just because that's how probability works. But so far I haven't seen anything that was a surprise.


As for the Senate and the house:

538 predicted between 48 and 55 Democratic Senate seats. Now (before the GA runoffs), we're at 48. They gave Susan Collins 4 in 10 odds of winning; just shy of a coin toss. They gave Joni Ernst a 6 in 10 chance; just *better* than a coin toss. It isn't anything close to a surprise that they won. They gave Lindsey Graham 3 in 4. The closest thing to a surprise was Cal Cunningham in NC, who lost despite 7/10 odds, but again the result was well within the margin of error (and the numbers are getting better with trailing mail-ins to be counted).

And the House: we don't have final numbers yet, but we shouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised that we'll lose a few seats. Every house seat is rerun every two years. In 2018 we had one of the biggest wins in modern political history. The only way for us to go is down. Kevin McCarthy is bragging that they didn't lose a seat. *Of course* they didn't lose a seat -- they lost every competitive seat in 2018.


The polls worked. People just don't like uncertainty. And they love to presume the polls will be wrong on the rosy side.

and most people don't think of them that way.

Most people (myself included) see a poll that says "Biden up by 7 points"...honestly, that is where I (and most) stop the analysis.

I don't do a deep dive in dude's website, etc.

Maybe pollsters should start putting more emphasis on the odds rather than the points?

I'm the last person who needs to be convinced that the news media is by-and-large innumerate.

That said, all the mainstream media I followed really never presented this as "Biden has this race in the bag." To a fault they presented the race as extremely close going in. That wasn't because they understood uncertainty, of course, it's because they wanted to sell the idea of a close horserace. But still, that was the narrative they were selling.

We just didn't want to hear it. We (and I'm including me in this) saw estimates ranging from 260 to 350 electoral votes and we took that to mean 350 (or maybe 350 to 400).

Now, people will say "if the polls are only telling us 260 to 350, what use are they?" On that, I agree. I wish as much as anyone that we had more predictive polls right now. Polling is hard right now. All this fretting we've done over the last decades about land-line phones, about trolling respondents, about "shy Trump voters," all of that feeds into the likely-voter models that the pollsters use to weigh the averages and give us numbers. It will take a lot more research for people to figure out how to get those errors down. Nate Silver made his name by predicting every EC vote and Senate seat in 2008, and coming close to that in 2012. Those years were probably the height of quality polling. Since then it's gotten a lot harder.

>Silver made his name by predicting every EC vote and Senate
>seat in 2008, and coming close to that in 2012. Those years
>were probably the height of quality polling. Since then it's
>gotten a lot harder.

someone said that "pollsters actually know the polling errors are more like double what they say they are, so there is a hidden variance" -- lol, OK then WTF is the point of a poll that has a 10-point margin of error?

so like you mentioned, Silver's success as a polling expert has sort of created this separating polling media industry where they are given much too credence than they should. it's like using betting lines for the playoffs based on the "regular season data." which mean something, but also really don't mean shit.

-Kellyanne Conway, 2016

we still gonna get those knots in our stomach right before the drops.. lol.

I was all over the place because my fear is shenanigans by this Admin once they looked like they would win on Nov. 3rd.

So glad everyone pushed back when he tried to declare victory.

we all wanted that deaded as soon as possible but it was always the most likely scenario.

we all knew that biden had to hold clinton states and flip mi, wi and pa. it seemed liked that would happen.

there was even strong indications that az and nc could/would flip.

at the end it looked like so much was in play and thats what distorted expectations. we now had hopes in fl, ga, tx, ia, oh.

so option one looks to be solid at this point. option 2 is still 50/50 and the last one only has hopes for ga left.

if they had let pa start counting ballots as they came in we all would have had a better election night.

until there is an actual problem. The Supreme Court can't throw out legal ballots and Biden is in the lead, so if they stop any recount Biden wins anyway...

Biden leads in Pennsylvania without the late arriving ballots, which I don't think that they've even started counting yet. Same thing in Georgia.

"They should have stopped counting because I was in the lead on Election Night" isn't a legal argument of any merit.

They can't just step in because he wants it

(at least as i understand it)

were challenging the extended ballot receipt deadlines in places like pa. because they werent set into law by the legislature. they were extended via state court, election committee consent decree, etc.

but biden is winning pa even without ballots that came after the extended deadline.

so trump team doesnt really have any case right now.

thats why all of his frivolous lawsuits on other issues are getting tossed out left and right in state and federal courts.

Mass Influence and Binkis - A Yo! Atlanta You're On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujG9WtdkkyE

Last Emperor 7 Mr. Eon - (Philly) That's Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3u51UMC7rQ&fbclid=IwAR1f4gDUqaNN0V62igQy_gTCaN-S0CfiZv4kePGHlFmrSuoq5OR7G1a-Acc

The Roots - Now or Never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ijKP3KgPs

Y'all So Stupid - Van Full of Pakistans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZashVlzoe0

Haven't heard that in a long minute

As of now it's looking like 48D-48R. This isn't control from what's being reported. But there are also 2 Independents as Senators, Bernie and Angus King. We all know Bernie, obviously and King is a "moderate" but leans Democrat and Caucuses with the Dems. Plus Harris as the tie breaker. So... isn't this a de-facto Democrat controlled Senate going forward?

So it'll be 48R-48R with Pence as the tie breaker. So McConnell is in the majority.

The Georgia's run off is January 5th - but I don't know when results are certified.

The president and V.P. from this election are sworn in on January 20th, 2021.

So if the R's win both seats and Georgia certifies the results AFTER January 20th then there may be a small period of time when it is ties and Harris is the tie-breaker.

Now sure how the rules established on January 5th are amended if the majority changes - I really don't know.

but Dems have underperformed.

Doug Jones (D) got soundly defeated in Alabama. Susan Collins (Maine), Joni Ernst (Iowa) and Steve Daines (Montana) retained their Republican seats (when most thought they would/could be beat) - but most of these races weren't even close.

Mark Kelly is a nice story for Dems in Arizona (and AZ turning Blue overall), but Dems didn't get a wave-like momentum at all in an election which was supposed to be about rebuking Trumpism and the Republicans who've endorsed it. Tillis looks like he'll take NC and Republicans (this time Perdue) is holding off Ossoff (once again) in Georgia.

This combined w/ the Dems also losing a bit of ground in the House (while still holding a majority) def warrants an autopsy.

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They're treated as de-facto Democrats at this point.

So to put the Senate in Dem control we'll need to flip two more seats. The Georgia runoffs will be exciting. The history of Democrats in Georgia runoffs is not encouraging, but with all that's changed in Georgia this cycle maybe they're not impossible.

It sounds like the Alaska race isn't totally out of the question, so that could make the hill in Georgia a little less steep (though I don't know why anyone would split a ballot in the Georgia runoff).

But I'm pessimistic about the Senate. The constitutionally-enforced small-state bias will probably keep the Senate in Republican hands for the next few decades.

Bernie and King are already lumped in with the Dems.
And the 48-48 is with 4 outstanding races.

Thanks

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54835724


but a warning from Pelosi/Clyburn said if the Dems go too far left, they'll lose the two seats

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1324467810425360384

https://www.reddit.com/r/philadelphia/comments/jozllr/on_the_dawn_of_the_third_day_look_to_the_east/

n/m

The internet remains undefeated.

https://twitter.com/ambiej/status/1324753161219952641?s=21

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHN3VJzjamp/?igshid=jwyv9i5mevhz

“He was up in Philly.. why did they wait to count the votes in Philly, they all went for Biden? How?”

Lmao.. nigga. It’s Philly.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/tech/steve-bannon-twitter-permanent-suspension/index.html

Dude said Fauci and someone else should be beheaded... smh. These people crazy af.

Dipshit is going to fire Wray as soon as he can.

We probably thinks he could have campaigned on that and won.

This is less about politics and more about failing to relinquish power. I am surprised at despite how big a failure and morally bankrupt this administration has been, women, religious, and others came out in full support. No matter the politics, children in cages, trying to steal an election, promoting violence, treason, and careless handling of a pandemic leaving hundreds of thousands to die is morally wrong and should never be cosigned.....by anyone....ever.
I am shocked at the amount of people who are okay with a dictatorship as long as it serves their interest. Can't be pro American with that attitude. A functioning America has true checks and balances as well as discourse. This 'I'm always right' bullshit gots to go for it is truly destructive.
45 is deeply corrupt and has proven this time and time again. Corruption this deep opens this country up to its enemies as well allow to dissolve from within. I am frightened to learn the extent 45 has traded guarded American intelligence with enemies abroad for business deals to fatten he and his cronies pockets.

biden started bustin trumps ass in the money race literally the day the pick was announced.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1320826013769715714

and on top of shoring up the support he needed with black voters (particularly women)...she energized those suburban types with generous pockets.

yes, we all know 'COPMALA' types who took issue with her time as AG

but really the only harping I saw on the pick at that late stage of the game was from the right, ironically. Lot of pro-cop dudes that wanted to cry about an AG that prosecutes people? Sounds ridiculous.

the only attack they really had left to use on her was that she was too liberal/progressive.

By losing an additional 4-5% from both black men and black women?

even if you believe the slight loss of support in exit polls that everyone says are pretty unreliable this year (based on the unique circumstances with mail in voting vs in person voting).

biden was lagging in black support compared to clinton pre-kamala. particularly with young black voters.

he obviously didnt lag clinton in actual black turnout post-kamala.

hence the win margin and raw vote totals in places like detroit, philly, atlanta, etc.

plenty of black people said they werent voting for biden...but were voting for kamala (people like charlagmagne and diddy actually stated this on video).

so yeah...she made a difference.

And why would a black person lie to a pollster and say they voted for Trump when they didn't? Wouldn't it be the other way around?

If the argument is that black voter turnout went up (about 1.9 million votes apparently) based on Harris then I can accept that...

but if that's case then niggas gotta take back that bullshit "black men are misogynists and wouldn't vote for a woman" argument.

via your expertise...explain the methodology of polling mail in voters and how thats as reliable as polling real people immediately after exiting polling stations.

especially when states are *still* changing/finalizing the amount of mail in votes they received and have to keep updating their tentative share of mail in ballots compared to total votes cast.

See: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

"The numbers on this page are preliminary estimates from exit polls conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool. These surveys interviewed voters outside of polling places or early voting sites, or by phone (to account for mail-in voters)."

and that requires the subset of people who actually pick up their phone for a live interview to self identify that they voted by mail.

then that requires pollsters to successfully model/weight the share of voters and demos of people that actually voted by mail.

theres a reason why polling/data dudes (who already struggled mightily with this election) are warning about the accuracy of exit polls this year.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323762999522459652
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323734067246960645

this isnt even factoring in irregularities with postal service delivery, turnout changes due to the pandemic, etc.

& Charlemagne?

...I guess.

"plenty of black people said they werent voting for biden...but were voting for kamala (people like charlagmagne and diddy actually stated this on video)."

So you based your hypothesis on "lots of people are sying" (Trump shit) and Diddy/Charlegmagne videos. That's good enough for you, but scientific polls that surveyed thousands of people aren't.

I simply wanted to point that out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Used to see at least one a day for the past month.

i heard a great analogy yesterday about Trump and his supporters.

they were basically likened to a sports team. The team does nothing for them ACTUALLY, it exploits them financially as much as possible, but the team makes THEM feel part of the team and as long as they are part of the team it's team vs. everyone, and as long as they are winning they are loud and vocal and seen.

as soon as that team starts losing? the bandwagon empties.

bush in 2004, obama in 2012, and trump in 2020 all brought their voters and outperformed the polling...especially in dragging downballot races through the finish line.

the dem senate actually gained 2 seats in 2012 (to many peoples surprise) and dems would have won the house (and unified govt) if not for repub gerrymandering.

trump was the only one that drove up support and still lost. so if anything...the shy trump voter was actually a weaker electoral force than the base of the other 2.

seen so much of it the past 3 days

>Used to see at least one a day for the past month.
>
>

I saw and still see it all around me. And it led me to think a close race was coming: vocal coworkers that will bring up politics with no solicitation, big ole flags in people's yards, yard signs of varying size, t-shirts, bumper stickers, stickers in the back window of red pickup trucks, all of that. I even saw some folks coming from caravans with the big flag on back of the pickup truck.

To me, shy or flamboyant doesn't matter. The point is that, given a choice, there's a gang of folks who are still straight up down with Trump and/or they're dedicated to voted for a party no matter what. And even now, there's folks online going right along with whatever dude is saying. We're now for real looking around at folks comfortably saying that votes shouldn't count. WHAT!?

im seeing the (perpetually false) narrative on the left that biden and dems underperformed because they werent left enough.

i dont see how people can continue this fantasy after seeing the states that actually decided the election.

who are the progressive senators, governors, sos, or other statewide office holders in pa, az, nv, mi, wi, ga, etc?

exactly. dems win or gain ground in these states by running moderates. thats who appeals to the broad coalition of voters that dems need to win in states that are actually competitive and not liberal havens.

dems are losing ground in states like ia, oh, fl, etc because they are perceived as too left. not because they are perceived as boring centrists.

shit like 'socialism', defund the police, etc actually hurts them in battleground states and purple/red districts (killed them in specific house races in fl, ny, mn, etc).

the bulk of these elections are won by votes in the center. thats our political reality and itll stay that way.

>bush in 2004, obama in 2012, and trump in 2020 all brought
>their voters and outperformed the polling...especially in
>dragging downballot races through the finish line.

trump/repubs clawed back seats in the house and state leg races mostly by getting trump voters to vote straight ticket in trump areas where dems won in 2018 (when trump wasnt on the ballot).

meanwhile...dems flipped places like the suburban ga 7th district with a moderate.

how is being centrist the winning solution for down ballot? you're saying socialism attacks and defund the police (which is basically saying BLM) lost Dems house seats -- but is that a reflection of broad attacks from the right or poorly run campaigns by the Dems in those areas?

several of the Dem losses I saw have completely moderate campaign policies...so did they not even know how to message to their own districts?

https://twitter.com/MsLaToshaBrown/status/1324592199858855936?s=20

>poorly run
>campaigns by the Dems in those areas?
>

Dumb ass Max Rose LOST some of his base by bootlicking. When he was smeared by Malliotakis for marching with people holding defund signs, he went full retard by making ads touting his agreement with Trump on issues like killing Soleimani because and I quote

"WHEN YOU KILL AMERICANS

WE. KILL. YOU."

Talk about tone deafness to his own party.

Republicans double down like shit on everything questionable in their base, I don't see how police reform has to be the central issue that turns people away from the Democratic party... unless the Dems LET it be the reason.

All of these platforms like Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police can be framed and packaged in an acceptable light, but it takes work.

Maybe we can pay some of these Dem operatives to flood Youtube with videos that normalize radicalization in the other direction.

Let all the data come in, etc.


Yeah you clearly can't do things that are going to scare granny, like call yourself a socialist.

On the other hand, they have to be ready when that shit is hung on them regardless.

I'm sure there were moderate Dems who actively ran against the party that were still called socialist gender-changing cop killers. And lost.

So what did running to the middle do for them?

Hell Florida was lost because calling JOE BIDEN a socialist worked for some.

Reeq is right in that a more left candidate probably loses this race...but that doesn't mean the entire party should run to the middle.

The Dems need to work on messaging, finding likeable candidates, and probably need to work some farmer shit into their plans/messaging.

The only thing I'll say though is there is no reason (from the party's perspective) that they have to GOVERN like moderates.

If they get power and don't do shit with it, it will be quickly taken from them.

I'm worried a lot of people are convincing themselves that Dems shouldn't be bold in any way and I think thats a loser for '22 and '24.

FDR was a trust fund baby who ended up being a very progressive pres (in some areas). LBJ delivered the CRA. Etc.


That said, I really do think its time for new leadership in both houses...even if folks are a fan of Nancy, its just time. It definitely couldn't hurt things.

What if it was also the fact that so many Latinos are essential workers or had to work during shutdown anyway? I'm sure there were economic concerns and they don't share the comfortable cushion work-from-home liberals enjoy with remaining shut down indefinitely. Trump played to that while Biden didn't discuss the economy outside of beating the virus.

>
>Let all the data come in, etc.


There are always hidden truths and exaggerated half-truths (Black men for Trump for various reasons, white gays for Trump to the dismay of GPOC, etc.)

This victory was necessary and while it ended up being a little less tight than it looked initially, it needs to be examined closely.

>
>Reeq is right in that a more left candidate probably loses
>this race...but that doesn't mean the entire party should run
>to the middle.

At this time, a centrist platform was needed, absolutely. I just don't like the finality of saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it, ad infinitum.

>The only thing I'll say though is there is no reason (from the
>party's perspective) that they have to GOVERN like moderates.

>If they get power and don't do shit with it, it will be
>quickly taken from them.

They were already characterized effectively this cycle as 'The Do-Nothing Democrats'. Some of the more autocratic moves Trump pulled were applauded rather than reviled BECAUSE of the stalemate status quo in Washington.


>That said, I really do think its time for new leadership in
>both houses...even if folks are a fan of Nancy, its just time.
> It definitely couldn't hurt things.
>

Chuck, Nancy, a lot of the leadership.

>That said, I really do think its time for new leadership in
>both houses...even if folks are a fan of Nancy, its just time.
> It definitely couldn't hurt things.


Cling to power too long, crowding out younger/fresher people and not grooming successors, and ultimately remaining completely out of touch/sync with the younger electorate who is quickly overtaking them as the largest group.

It's really stupid and I have no idea what they envision for the party after like a decade. There's zero reasons to be seeking re-election in one's 80s, 90s in some cases. Like what in the entire fuck.

EVEN IF they don't want to let go of their seats (which I still think is selfish and short-sighted), AT LEAST start putting younger people in the leadership positions/pipeline and hang around/advise on some ex-officio shit. But nope: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06/pelosi-seeks-another-2-years-as-speaker-434345


>
>

>

(referring specifically to that tweet)

keisha lance bottoms? hank johnson? lucy mcbath?

even the black dem politicians from the bluest parts of the state arent progressives.

theres a reason why even black dems like clyburn made it clear that dems didnt support 'defund the police'. theres a reason why stacey abrams stayed away from medicare for all in her run for gov.

the activist/grassroots organizing base will always be further left leaning than the politicians that actually need to appeal to more than activists. if the dem primary in 2020 didnt make this absolutely clear...im not sure what will.


>how is being centrist the winning solution for down ballot?
>you're saying socialism attacks and defund the police (which
>is basically saying BLM) lost Dems house seats -- but is that
>a reflection of broad attacks from the right or poorly run
>campaigns by the Dems in those areas?
>
>several of the Dem losses I saw have completely moderate
>campaign policies...so did they not even know how to message
>to their own districts?

moderate dems who lost their seats did so in red trump districts (like max rose). theyve all made it clear that the socialism and defund the police attacks hurt them.

meanwhile a progressive primary winner (kara eastman) lost her nebraska/omaha district race that biden won by an easy 7 pts.

the left of the left opens up vulnerabilities for dems that have to go out and answer for them. repubs are good at framing the dem party according to their most extreme elements. it is what it is.

dems have always been called socialists. but the attacks hit different when you have a prominent member of your party or two actually calling themselves socialists.

just look at that dramatic swing in miami dade to see the effect of that.

btw if bernie or the dsa called themselves social democrats or supported 'social democracy' like parties in other western nations do and avoid the socialist stigma...it woulda been a good bit of forethough/branding.

as the future route to power.

Dems do not have a cohesive message, and there frankly needs to be a reckoning within the party (referring to that tweet, Pelosi has no grounds to start telling Georgia how to run their Senate races when DNC leadership had nothing to do with delivering that state) for Dems to move forward.

it won't be an all-or-nothing leftist agenda. and it won't be a return to Obama-level moderation. both those routes are losers for us.

but the GOP collectively took off the gloves 12 years ago; they are biting ears and throwing sand Bloodsport-style, and Dems are appealing to the ref to deduct a point or something. Dems need to get their shit right, and it won't be because Pelosi and Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn all get in a room and brainstorm moderate domination.

and we all know M4A is not a messaging issue, it's a donor issue. the DNC will not sacrifice the health insurance industry for the good of their constituents. the racist backlash from white voters who are mad that black and brown people get free healthcare would be outweighed by a new electorate opened up to Dems.

>moderate dems who lost their seats did so in red trump
>districts (like max rose). theyve all made it clear that the
>socialism and defund the police attacks hurt them.
>
>meanwhile a progressive primary winner (kara eastman) lost her
>nebraska/omaha district race that biden won by an easy 7 pts.

a moderate dem who lost because of "socialist attacks" needs to look at their own campaign first. and I think all of this goes back to the messaging problem the Dems have. what did you hear from Dems collectively, besides "Trump is awful"?

we are a dumb white nation (especially in terms of who actually votes).

all facts, logic, etc falls by the wayside to a lot of social factors based on how white people see themselves and others.

a racist white majority will entertain moderation but never vote for an America where minorities are on the same class standing as them.

but we cannot give up based on that. and I am tired of pandering to moderates in every "battleground" state so Dems can barely hold power. that cannot be our future.

Dems need to create new *voting* demographics that work for them. and I frankly do not see that happening through centrist policy -- that will just be a long death, Congress race by Congress race.

who wants to rehash all these old primary and veepstakes fights right now?

take a break lol





>im seeing the (perpetually false) narrative on the left that
>biden and dems underperformed because they werent left
>enough.
>
>i dont see how people can continue this fantasy after seeing
>the states that actually decided the election.
>
>who are the progressive senators, governors, sos, or other
>statewide office holders in pa, az, nv, mi, wi, ga, etc?
>
>exactly. dems win or gain ground in these states by running
>moderates. thats who appeals to the broad coalition of voters
>that dems need to win in states that are actually competitive
>and not liberal havens.
>
>dems are losing ground in states like ia, oh, fl, etc because
>they are perceived as too left. not because they are
>perceived as boring centrists.
>
>shit like 'socialism', defund the police, etc actually hurts
>them in battleground states and purple/red districts (killed
>them in specific house races in fl, ny, mn, etc).
>
>the bulk of these elections are won by votes in the center.
>thats our political reality and itll stay that way.

A month from now this all becomes abstract.

this was not the tone two days ago.

White males are still a riddle for the democratic party.

What is their incentive to vote against their self-interest and embrace social justice?

The answer may be by taking a licking to the corporations / billionaires (same ones Trump demonized: Google, Amazon, Soros).

I agree democratic socialism is a long way from being palatable for a lot of Americans, but is there a way to package redistribution of wealth and regulations on rampant capitalism? I think there is. Since Bernie is out of the picture as a candidate, younger progressives will have to find a way to sell it, and they can have success given that a lot of libs and blue collar voters both loved Bernie.

If white people can put WW2 behind them and act like a bunch of Nazis while the veterans who fought it have barely been interred, they can forget huge swaths of our domestic and foreign policy for the last century and say, maybe socialism is the answer if the elites hate it that much.

even the countries that Bernie likes to big up like Denmark don't call themselves socialist countries. or democratic socialists. They call themselves social democracies. It's semantics, but when most people think socialist country, they don't think Denmark.

I think it's wrong to assume everyone who's put off by the word socialism are just cold war holdovers. That said, I grew up under Reagan so what do i know.

I don't care lol

I think a lot of people who believe in these ideas would be relieved to be honest.

My mother is an example of someone that is lefty as shit but you say socialism and she freezes. She remembers the McCarthy hearings and how bone-chilling the hunt for communism in our borders was. So change it to social democracy then, the ideas are the same.

Both sides of the party are overreacting imo.


The GA senate candidates shouldn't run left or right....they should just do what Stacey says lol.


Long term, they just need to tighten up messaging and run likeable candidates.


Don't be scary socialists, but don't run as Republicans either.


And they probably want to start working on some type of platform specifically for farmers/rural areas. I have no idea what that could be, but they shouldn't just leave those votes on the table.


And yeah..Dem Socialists need to rebrand. That ain't the play.

It was always a fantasy to expect voters to read the fine print of what dem socialism means

Bernie showed just how out of touch he was with the broader electorate when he labeled it as such. He means well. And always has

And it’s just not the “Latino voter”. It’s our parents and folks who grew up with that term

It’s cancer in American politics

Its not just Cubans who are scared of the term.


It is a cancer. Its been a cancer. It will be a cancer. And any political movement that doesn't understand that is questionable at best.

Now, I agree with those who say no matter what Dems do they will be called that.

But

1. Don't make it worse by defending it/explaining it. Just change your label.

2. Have a counter attack ready. The farm bailouts were socialist. Etc.

so it's more than semantics. There are some parallels but they are fundamentally different approaches (and goals) to governing.

I personally think Bernie has been correct to identify as a democratic socialist based on some of his proposals (eg. nationalizing key industries, national rent control, federal job guarantee, etc)... because it's the truth.

The problem is it's still so sensationalized in the US, which activated old school mccarthy era attacks on the right and defensive watering-down on the left (i.e. he's just proposing social democracy! what's the big deal?)

I think neither labels are necessary (so partially agree with you). They should just talk about what they want to do lol. I mean look at libertarians, it's not like they remind people in every uttered sentence that they're libertarian. But when you read/listen to a libertarian platform, it becomes clear. (Maybe that's a bad example because there's an actual libertarian party in the US... but even if they switched to a name like the freedom party, they'd probably rely on the same language is my point I guess).


>like Denmark
>don't call themselves socialist countries. or democratic
>socialists. They call themselves social democracies. It's
>semantics, but when most people think socialist country, they
>don't think Denmark.
>

when he's explaining democratic socialism.

It's one of my pet peeves about him tbh, the way he muddies definitions/language sometimes. He did it with Medicare/Medicare for All/Single-Payer too lol

"btw if bernie or the dsa called themselves social democrats or supported 'social democracy' like parties in other western nations do and avoid the socialist stigma...it woulda been a good bit of forethough/branding."

>even the countries that Bernie likes to big up like Denmark
>don't call themselves socialist countries. or democratic
>socialists. They call themselves social democracies. It's
>semantics, but when most people think socialist country, they
>don't think Denmark.

the problem over here is...that part of our base are moreso high minded ideologues who think everyone else is dumb or voting against their own interest because they dont realize the benefit of those policies. and they arent necessarily wrong. but they think the policy list alone makes them superior candidates. and they ignore the political/social landscape as it exists in reality.

its why they lean on the level of support for those policies in generic polling...but cant lean on the level or support for those *politicians* in the actual broad range of electoral results.

The fact we're still trying to do damage control after the red scare is pathetic.

We gotta appease people who hate something they dont even understand.


Meanwhile an overwhelming majority of voters support M4A and UBI.



Yang wasn't called a socialist for proposing UBI. He was just a madman trying to get people some money.


Dems are going to be called socialist no matter how much they pander to conservatives.

Just jump in.

Yes, centrism ie. drifting farther right is not the answer.

Here's the Dem vote margin for the 24 vulnerable Democratic House candidates compared to their GovTrack ideology score.

There's of course a million caveats here, but, in the aggregate: the more conservative their record in Congress, the worse they fared at the polls.

https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1324784432763539456?s=20

Yup. Six sponsors of Medicare-for-All won re-election in swing districts. SD, MT, and MS legalized marijuana. Florida raised its minimum wage. There are no majority-centrist districts; the districts are polarized, and the independents aren't centrists.

https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1324797257519112198?s=20

This piece is very long but talks about how the policies of democratic socialism or whatever you want to call it can mobilize the multi-racial working class.

https://dsaorganizer.org/2020/05/01/the-democratic-socialist-constituency/

cuz 42 out of the 43 battleground districts that got flipped blue in 2018 and gained dems a majority (and allowed them to maintain that majority in 2020) were people who didnt sponsor m4a.

im sure you can do the math on that.

Democratic co-sponsors of Medicare for All who just won re-election in swing districts:

Jared Golden (ME-02; R+2)
Ann Kirkpatrick (AZ-02; R+1)
Mike Levin (CA-49; R+1)
Katie Porter (CA-45; R+3)

Susan Wild (PA-07; D+1) and Matt Cartwright (PA-08; R+1) seem on track to win as well

https://twitter.com/JonathanCohn/status/1324732079733616641?s=20

And here's your sometimes girl when it's convenient AOC dismantling many of the myths you're constantly peddling in here, 2 threads

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324800891321524224?s=20

and

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324694301234921474?s=20

I HATED the thumb on the scale that the DNC put on Biden. It was clear Bernie had the momentum, and would have been the likely nominee.

And I LOVE Bernie.

But...we're just not there as a country. Obama didn't run as a progressive, really. In 2008, he didn't even believe in gay marriage. The fact is, while I'd vote for AOC for president, my 68 year old dad definitely wouldn't (after decades of not even being registered, he voted his first time in 2008 for Obama).

I don't think you win this election with someone further left. Biden had to get people who voted for Trump over Clinton - I'm not sure Bernie would have done that.

As always. Way better stated than i can put it

I have a few folks here calling me not sympathetic to the cause bec I was concerned about the exact same things you laid out


“We are all on the same team” - OG reeq

This was a terrible campaign and you need to be honest in order to prevent this happening again.

This should have been a landslide after the trainwreck of trump.

Saying "everyone's just racist :/" doesn't get votes.

Nominated a blue racist doesn't help either.

Obama inspired and mobilized voters while being black. Yes, they were still racist, but we yanked them votes regardless. Thats the goal right?

Having zero class analysis doesnt get votes. You can run on policy, you can run on charisma, but you're insane to run on neither.

We should analyze the strength of the enemies and the weaknesses of our allies, or just keep repeating the same mistakes because why not.

Thats what happens when your team is just dinosaurs skating off seniority as opposed to results.

Meanwhile progressives have been killing it downballot lol.


As always, you are old and cant understand that incrementalism isnt the wave anymore.

All love.

By all accounts he’s about to beat Trump by the same margin Hillary was beat by. The drawn out part of this is mail in ballot counting. He didn’t struggle at all - it just looked that way on Tuesday.

Biden didn't crush Trump. Shit was a struggle.

Or you’re still living in Wednesday

those victories were razor thin. Several of those states were won by less than a percentage point.

That's as of today. It's cool he won, and we're better for it, but I also laughed when Trump claimed a landslide vs Hillary. I'm enjoying seeing Rush Limbaugh cry as much as the next man, but this shit was a struggle.

GA shouldn't even been on the table for the guy eking by.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Which is why I say give Stacey the keys to the party. If she wants them.

She registered a bunch of new voters. Thats the play. No "run left" no "run to the middle" just..."ask Stacey"

in some key states. It was a grind, given our ass backwards system.

WI, PA, NV, and GA stood between 4 more years of Trizzy and a new president. Shit was a close call.

Their fans should understandably be happy af and they obv fought like hell for ut

but it's not a blowout.

This shouldn't be a controversial observation tho lol



>those victories were razor thin. Several of those states were
>won by less than a percentage point.

With nothing but respect. You are wild for this.

I feel bad for you and the Briahna Joy Grey types a this point

he rebuilt the blue wall *and* flipped 2 traditionally red states.

and he will have won by the 2nd largest margin since 2000 when all the votes are finally tallied (bigger than obama in 2012).

>Meanwhile progressives have been killing it downballot lol.

who are they?

name some progressive office holders who won in 2020 in competitive races.

it will say Joseph Biden

Unemployed and whatnot

Political engagement is at an all time high. We recently had the largest protest movement in american history.

I came across an interesting graphic. Voter registration amongst blue voters was pretty low until the BLM protests in June, after that registration skyrocketed.

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1324687796016218112


(This also provides a better understanding for why trump ended up with an increase in votes from non white demographics compared to last election. There was simply more people voting)

That is...pretty rare.


I go back and forth on could/should it have been bigger...but even when I think it should have been a bigger win its shit like "Dems should have had a Florida plan"

i wonder if biden would had tried to gain more support of cubans in florida if it would had lost him support in the rust belt.

that was disastrously handled

Followers resorting to a sick fatalism because "FreEDOms!"

There should not have been this many stupid / crazy people Trump continued to fool through 4 years of scandals and ineptitude.

The dems could have done better.

i dont think its as simple as they need to appeal to more moderate or they need to appeal to more progressives. kinda need both.


i am definitely hoping we see a different approach to this presidency. they need to work on things that will help them grow the house and the senate in 2022.


i think it needs to be centered on financially helping everyone that isnt filthy rich. i hope they find a way to do so in a way that also reduces the gap between whites and people of color. at minimum some extra focus for Black people.


definitely need to get out in front and control the messaging.

approval from his own party since polling began.

and a pandemic that altered traditional dem campaign-voter relationship building methods like door knocking and in-person registration drives (repubs blew out dems in new voter registration in several key states like fl, nc, etc).

also against headwinds like the complete takeover and weaponization of the doj, usps, etc to benefit the presidents reelection...along with massive disinformation operations on places like facebook, whatsapp, etc.

all of this context is equally important.

why did you use cult devotion/loyalty to trump/repubs for 4 years as an example of why dems could have done better? if anything...that type of rigid partisanship and effectiveness of propaganda is a pretty significant reason why dems didnt do better.

I'll be honest I don't understand the MAGA cult at all.

I've seen a guy from my gym, man of color known for his old school dancehall mixes, go to full out MAGA tats and MAGA rap, which I didn't know was a thing, due to his disdain for rioters during the BLM protest and losing his job / place of work when the gym shut down.

This is the only person I know other than a couple other assholes from the gym. I don't have any republican family members whose brains I can pick.

a couple of my coworkers I debate / argue with in the past but I can't anymore because we don't stay professional.

I can't blame blue collar dudes or latino ex cons for thinking they are beating elitist culture by going down the Youtube rabbit hole and saying fuck what the liberal news outlets and the Democratic politically correct machine is telling me. That's shit I subscribe to but the same white academic elitism that you say plagues left politics (i agree), also is seen as a main driver of the Democratic platform in general.

I talked to blue collar white guys who say "I don't like globalism" aka immigrant labor and outsourcing of manufacturing but have Latino friends and "I don't want to be told by some nerd about news I can see on my own" so they watch Fox and read the Post.

How are you (we) going to reach these people, cause clearly they do not identify with a party they see as one for people of color and rich tech liberals.

People like Ilhan were on the ground getting votes for Biden.

They refused to reach out to Flint.

They repeated a lot of mistakes from the hillary campaign of being too comfortable and sure of themselves to put a real effort in pivotal cities.

We can blame the pandemic for that. Sure. That same pandemic would be a good excuse to usher in M4A without fear of being called a socialist right? It is an emergency after all.

This shouldve been the easiest election to win. Literally everything was aligned for us.

Its deeper than people being "too racist and stupid to vote for who's good for them."

We gotta let go of this elitist smug narrative if we want votes. Point blank.

especially with how polarized/partisan states are now.

he underperformed the shitty polling that predicted a reagan/nixon level blowout based on a time where everyone got their news from the same 3 channels.

and this isn't necessarily a "progressive would have won".
Because they would, if they made it to this point.

Looking at why this turned for Biden and now especially because of WHO turned this out voting wise?

This was an anti-Trump vote delivered by the most anti-Trump voting aggregation.

and Biden was chosen not because HE was anti-Trump but because the belief is that enough white people would choose him instead of Trump to keep Trump from winning.

Dems are losing ground in those states not because they are too "left", it's because they don't stand for shit. In those states where you have more white voters? You need to give them candy. The Democrats don't give them candy, they give them poo-poo wrapped in foil.

The (mostly white) people in Conor Lamb (PA)'s district don't give a fuck about fracking. they want free healthcare, college and clean air.

In FL, their cynical aggregation of "Latinos" is one reason they took a L. But they passed a higher minimum wage (which might get undone by GOP legislature).

So called "Centrist" Dems are trying to manage voters and thus the vote, not deliver anything, even in rhetoric.

A simple "The Republicans ain't shit" message with a detailed plan as to their failures would have won more of those votes.

The Nazi coalition that votes for Trump, partly does so because they have something to believe in (his Nazi-ism).

AOC and 'em are going to win this war. And not all of the people on their side are going to brand themselves as "socialist".

Katie Porter, for example, flipped and resoundingly retained a long-term CA Repub seat because she goes at these motherfuckers. She gives them people the idea that she's on their side.

Most of these "centrists" can't do that. And unless they're in a Pelosi/Clyburn/Hoyer situation where they just get coronated.... this is why they lose.

so name me progressive politicians that energized black voters statewide for victories in mi, pa, wi, and ga.

if your perspective is based on any bit of reality/history then you should have an entire list ready to go. but i will settle for a handful. maybe even just 1 or 2.

shit just name me progressive candidates that energized black voters on the way to city-wide victories in detroit, philadelphia, and atlanta.

and your conor lamb take couldnt be more way off. he doesnt support medicare for all or a fracking ban for a reason. and yes those were important issues in his race. not tryna be funny but do you actually pay attention to this stuff or shoot from the hip?
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-local/2019/10/20/Conor-Lamb-democrat-candidates-election-2020-westmoreland-greensburg/stories/201910200204

this idea that dems simply woo back white voters from the right by offering democratic socialism based on a 1940s political landscape is pure fantasy. its an out of touch white academic take that ignores racial/social dynamics and reduces everything to class struggle (aka 'no more checkbox/identity politics!' shit). its amusing to hear it from black folks too.

if it simply comes down to these economic policies...then why do those ancestral white dems move to a party that champions the complete opposite of those economic policies? lets use common sense here.

if what you (and other folks who believe this) are saying were the case...then bernie sanders would have at least won a prez primary right? or at least gotten more than a quarter of the vote in 2020. or at least won *one* county in working class michigan right?

how come the dem politicians who do best with those rural and working class white voters are people like amy klobuchar and joe manchin...who progressives tell us are too moderate to win those voters? its pure delusion in the face of evidence.

i have no idea why yall are so beholden to these narratives that are so disconnected from the actual facts/numbers/history that stares you in the face...but some self examination needs to take place there. cuz reality is reality and that aint changing. but you can.

Im not sure what your stance is. Keep doing the same thing and change nothing because "progressive policies dont work?" Thats really odd. Its been disproven several times.

Noone is as invested in bernie as you think. He's just a catalyst for a bigger movement (Ilhan, Aoc, Kori, Rashida). If Biden adopted just a few of the policies bernie ran on and put more effort into acting like a human being and not someone who's been in politics for several decades, we wouldn't be on the edge of our seats wondering if we beat the most incompetent president of all time.

>Noone is as invested in bernie as you think. He's just a
>catalyst for a bigger movement (Ilhan, Aoc, Kori, Rashida). If
>Biden adopted just a few of the policies bernie ran on and put
>more effort into acting like a human being and not someone
>who's been in politics for several decades, we wouldn't be on
>the edge of our seats wondering if we beat the most
>incompetent president of all time.

Exactly!

i know she isnt one because lefty pundits told me so lol.
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1229789978890293248

but seriously...she doesnt support medicare for all, she ran on obamacare and expanding medicaid, is allied with mike bloomberg, doesnt wanna defund the police or abolish ice, etc.

this is how she almost won ga and how biden did win ga.

shes really moreso an establishment black politician in atlanta/georgia than some poster child progressive.

but people think shes some bernie style insurgent just because shes exciting and has a grassroots support network. which shows a lot of peoples impression about who is progressive and who is not is based on branding and image.


>If Biden adopted just a few of the policies bernie ran on and put
>more effort into acting like a human being and not someone
>who's been in politics for several decades, we wouldn't be on
>the edge of our seats wondering if we beat the most
>incompetent president of all time.

uh he did adopt a few of bernies policies. bernie himself said biden was running on the most progressive platform in party history.

how come yall never actually research this shit before you claim it?

did you actually look at what policies biden was running on?

them and successfully turned them out for this election where she could.

Imagine if Dems figured out a way to do that... as a party! lol

It might be as simple as not despising/demeaning them, not ignoring them, and actually listening to/valuing them as a constituency. This is all Stacey Abrams/Fair Fight did, in addition to fight voter suppression across the board.

I swear if the left and center-left would get along like this all the time instead of beefing, legacy centrists could be overpowered so easily. But yall are adamant lol

>
>uh he did adopt a few of bernies policies. bernie himself
>said biden was running on the most progressive platform in
>party history.
>

Right, but the problem arises when centrists bait-and-switch, for example:

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/521395-biden-distances-himself-from-green-new-deal-during-town-hall

That's why they don't trust moderates. They flocked to Bernie because they trusted that he would fight for their policy demands.

by getting black voters to come out and vote for *them* in these statewide elections.

and i still dont see anyone providing *any* examples of progressives doing this. which should be be easy if progressive policy is the political elixir that folks are claiming it is.

for some reason people keep scrutinizing the failures of moderates who have a record of actually reaching general elections and winning more than they do progressives who consistently fail to even win the majority of their own partys voters in a primary.

its like people saying lebron needs to be more like some 3 point specialist role player because he missed a game winner in the finals.

its a weird double standard.

he campaigned hard for Hillary in 2016 and even harder for Biden this year.

He's still the boogeyman to the DNC because....? You tell me.


I've discussed the good policies Biden had listed on his website, and also pointed out the glaring contrast between his website's policies and the policies he decided to actually campaign on. Once again, if he was more vocal about his good policies we would not be anxious about him winning. The support wouldve been a no brainer. He chose to coast on name recognition alone, and told hispanic people to vote for trump.

That happened.

This guy isn't enough of a sociopath to deflect as well as Hillary, doesn't have the clean record and charisma like Obama, isn't even likable enough to be incompetent and kinda get away with it like Carter.

Brother man you do not have to nail yourself to the cross for this party. How much they paying you to sell out poor people.

Stacey Abrams engaged with people and acted like a human being and flipped Georgia. If biden wants to run a campaign without emphasizing policy, fine, but his ability to connect with people on even a SURFACE level is horrid.

He ran the most nothing campaign during an extremely polarizing period, and got votes because people are desperate and terrified.

Noones asking for a complete socialist overhaul, we dont even have to use the word if it scares yall that much.

its an out of touch
>white academic take that ignores racial/social dynamics and
>reduces everything to class struggle (aka 'no more
>checkbox/identity politics!' shit). its amusing to hear it
>from black folks too.
>

I'm black, a woman, not a class-reductionist, and not a white academic - and I still think identity politics is flawed, stupid, and condescending. We're a larger constituency than you think.

Identity politics *isn't* the same thing as representation, and even if it was... how little must one think of a constituency to act like representation supplants actual policy/outcomes? Like, the relatable identity is supposed to ADD to what's being offered, not BE the only thing thats offered, no?

Why is that controversial? It's almost like, how *dare* somebody (eg. a woman, a Black person, a Black woman) need more than optics to be politically activated.

>
>i have no idea why yall are so beholden to these narratives
>that are so disconnected from the actual facts/numbers/history
>that stares you in the face...but some self examination needs
>to take place there. cuz reality is reality and that aint
>changing. but you can.
>
>

Well... your perspective isn't automatically better just because you disagree with anybody tho, Reeq. You're certainly beholden to your own preferred narratives/data too lol

..."We need to kowtow more to moderate suburban white people," then the party is fucked.

In battleground states, white men were useless. Suburban white women were useless. Old white people were useless. They sort of helped in AZ, but that's about it. Mostly Latinos are carrying that state. But spending time and money on hoping John Kasich would bring Ohio YTs to the Dems was a waste. MI, PA, GA were all won by the deepest Blue part of the state, where Black people and young people registered and turned out in huge numbers. And those voters skew more left.

Now to look at that and toss it away in favor of the usual horseshit of "Why aren't more in touch with white men?" song and dance that the party has been performing since at least 2000, then this won't hold. Cultivate your strengths.

Which seems to be the message that pundits are pounding away at in service of some mythic moderate white male promised land.

You think all the young voters that they just registered are moderates?

which is why people like biden pick up people like bernies/warrens policies for the general election.

but you prioritize appealing to the people that actually come out and vote the most. thats how elections are won. its not a simple zero sum game.

>You think all the young voters that they just registered are
>moderates?

young voter turnout surged for biden and is on pace to exceed youth turnout for obama. hows that for a narrative?
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1323846208008425474

apparently bidens moderation wasnt a fatal flaw with this demographic?

I never said that Biden's moderation was a fatal flaw with young voters. But these are largely young progressives that are going to want their concerns addressed as time passes. And that goes beyond lip-service from campaign promises.

And yet, post-election, we're still playing another round of "Bring us more suburban and blue collar white people! They're the only way we can win." Which, they clearly weren't this time out. The Black and young voters played an incredibly vital part. And you can't Cuban B that shit away, try as you might.

>..."We need to kowtow more to moderate suburban white
>people," then the party is fucked.
>
>In battleground states, white men were useless. Suburban white
>women were useless. Old white people were useless. They sort
>of helped in AZ, but that's about it. Mostly Latinos are
>carrying that state. But spending time and money on hoping
>John Kasich would bring Ohio YTs to the Dems was a waste. MI,
>PA, GA were all won by the deepest Blue part of the state,
>where Black people and young people registered and turned out
>in huge numbers. And those voters skew more left.
>
>Now to look at that and toss it away in favor of the usual
>horseshit of "Why aren't more in touch with white men?" song
>and dance that the party has been performing since at least
>2000, then this won't hold. Cultivate your strengths.

^^^^^ All this

a large portion of dem/biden voters in most of these states...if not an outright majority/plurality...are white, including white men, suburban white women, old white people, etc.

black people are no doubt important. but theyre barely a double digit percentage of the population in pa, and maybe like 5% of the population in wisconsin.

so lets not get crazy here lol.

to say that those type of white voters were useless is just hyperbole and not really a serious assessment of what happened. for example...a big reason for bidens victory in pa is his overperformance (compared to clinton) in the suburbs around philly and white working class counties like where his birthplace of scranton is. those arent black voters driving up those margins. those are the white voters biden was targeting.

you aint winning any statewide elections just appealing to blacks/latinos.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324775987993825280

One more note. In May and June, when Dem voter registration had bottomed out due to the pandemic and GOPs were outregistering Dems, it was the George Floyd/BLM demonstrations that created a huge Dem voter reg spike.

the crowd who said dem socialism was a winning message also told us defund the police was too


Fuck your attempts at gentrifying our party

DEFINE THE POLICE!!!

people watching the protest like 'err... umm... '

Some of the anti-authoritarian sound of defund can be redirected maybe

Defund the police, Refund the streets or something

and just go with a generic phrase like justice reform.

and you can tuck policing, sentencing, bail, etc reform into that broad umbrella.

theres a reason why repubs use broad terms like court/tort reform and religious freedom as vehicles for a very specific policy agenda.

because most people just look at the package and dont take the effort to scrutinize whats inside.

I dunno man. These two should be best friends if nothing else.

I'm flattered.

-->

You're being deliberately obtuse, what were the demands of the BLM protests, one of the biggest was defund the police. All the engagement brought about by that movement is why Biden eked out this win, so the BLM activists should be thanked.

I will never understand the mentality of being so scared of asking for what is right because it might offend someone or lose your team a vote. People just being happy with no material change, the police should be defunded, peope should have living wages and M4A and free education. People shouldn't be scared to ask for these things, the protesters didn't burn down a police station for incremental change.

People just being happy with no
>material change, the police should be defunded, peope should
>have living wages and M4A and free education. People
>shouldn't be scared to ask for these things, the protesters
>didn't burn down a police station for incremental change.


aside from loser-ass slogans and shitty branding.

speaking of which. The optics of your types, of all people, telling us how we should go about making this change will always get an LOL from us.

You did this with Tulsi and Modi. And we see it. And will continue to call it out

the fact that they got lumped together or that saying BLM means you want to burn down police stations is the problem with things like dtp to begin with

theres a reason Biden, Harris, Obama, etc.. have no problem saying BLM but made sure to distance themselves from that dumb slogan.

is M4A in that tweet too? What are you babbling about?

He’s part of the problem writing some dumb shit like that.

I can't speak on your city but my local BLM chapter is very clear about wanting to defund police.



Also, random fact: the Minneapolis police building got burned down by right wing extremists. The Boogaloo Boys. Crazy right? Wouldn't that be crazy if white supremacists manipulated us into turning against BLM.

I mean that wouldn't ever happen. We're smart and dont fall for cheap conservative propaganda hahaha...right?


right?

and they shouldn't be.

everyone who supports DTP supports BLM but not the other way around.

We gonna talk about this shit.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

People think a pat on the head is sufficient after voting in droves for someone who's done as much harm to us as Biden.

Empty ass "listen to black women" chants while black people are getting hit the hardest physically and financially by covid.


Sick behavior.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=397249774959017

I fell out when Hunter rolled through w/a cig in his mouth.

I don’t wanna start tripping again lol.

In Nevada, Drumf's team is trying to press the xase that 3,000 votes came from people who didn't live in the state anymore. That's common. As long as they're not voting in two places (which they aren't alleging it isn't illegal).

They're also going after Wisconsin for same day voter registration. They have same day registration in 40 states.

like. who’s representing him and why?

yet, he got 68 million votes...

Trump just doesn’t want to admit that’s he’s a BIG LOSER! SAD!

Trying to win over/keep Trumpolini's most passionate base?


Trying to pump any breaks on any and all mandate talk?


Generic GOP fuckery?

Keeping GOP focused/pissed for the GA runoffs?


Like, do they really think they are going to turn over results in MULTIPLE STATES?


I don't think they do. So there has to be some other agenda.

I'm sure some of these people have visions of a 2024 run and want to inherit the rabid MAGAs, but why is it gaining so much traction?

And Dipshit in charge has a lot of enablers, first and foremost Rudy, who're in his ear, telling him that can still will this in court.

Guys like Cruz and Graham are going hard for it because of the last reason that you stated: they think they're going to be president in 2024 and they covet Dipshit's fanbase.

Other GOP senators are shying away from it because they also think they can be president in 2024 by running as moderate Republicans (see: Romney and Sasse).

but no one with any sense will

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1324840775990026240

im right there with yall lol.

i believe much of the govt (especially policing) needs to be radically restructured and our economic policies need to be closer to those of the european nations where people enjoy the highest standard of living and report the most satisfaction with the state of their politics/country.

i love unions...multiculturalism/intersectionality...proactive protections for minorities, the environment, the middle class...a strong social safety net...all that good stuff.

but im a realist as well. and recognize the country for what it actually is and not what i want it to be.

and if you keep going on and on about what would be successful for a major national political party...you need to come up with *some* examples of that approach actually being successful in the modern era and not rely on a ww2/post-depression era democratic president for the last emphatic cosign.

you cant base your *entire* analysis on hypothetical outcomes that feel logical to you and generic polling that says shit like bernie was beating biden with black voters. especially after real human beings weigh in and the votes are cast.

many 'progressives' act like some dem machine (which is somehow both invincible and incompetent) is just appointing moderate winning candidates at the state and federal level for competitive races...and theyre leaving progressives on the bench (who apparently are much better suited to win these election). but it ignores the fact that progressive candidates *are* running in primaries...theyre raising shitloads of crowdfunded money...and theyre just not winning primaries among people ON THE LEFT (much less all of the people you need to win over in a general election).

the 'establishment' exists because the voters established them lol. black people...the backbone of the democratic party...are overwhelmingly moderate if not conservative in many ways. somehow that gets completely dismissed with these birds eye view academic/thinkpiece takes on why dems should just anoint the type of politicians that dont appeal to their base across the entire country.

i think liz warrens policies are awesome. black people didnt fuck with her.

i think bernie sanders policies are awesome. black people didnt fuck with him (twice).

these are the type of politicians you think the entire party can ride to victory in places where these politicians arent riding to victory? lol.

what sense does that make?

look i wish it werent that way but it is.

but how can you have any conversation about the future of the democratic party by continuing to ignore the will and *proven* behavior of these voters?

theres no sound logic behind basing a partys fortunes on the type of politics that dont even win elections among the partys own voters.

LOL that's your best joke yet!

the ones that are eligible, some may be registered but dont vote.

are they worth pursuing? what are they looking for?

and an even greater percentage of those white non voters are whites without a college degree.

and those white non college degree non voters are overrepresented in places like rust belt states.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1298706547779022855

people assume that if nonvoters turned out then its automatically good for democrats.

but if repubs turned out the same percentage of their demos among non voters...the democratic party might not even be competitive on the national level.

all that to say...yes you should pursure every voter you can. but thats not the holy grail for dems that liberal pundits always make it out to be. repubs could easily be saying the same thing because they have a lot more upside with non-voters.

i think this election really does put to question if more voters is good for democrats. democrats always say they want more people to vote and i half believe them when they say it doesnt matter if they dont vote for them.

republicans seem to be the ones to assume it would be an automatic benefit for democrats.

i honestly dont know what the bulk of people that dont vote are looking for. i think its safe to assume a lot of them are young since their turnout is always low. thats not to say that most of them are young.

i just wonder if there is a way to get a good chunk of them interested in voting.

im sure part of it is suppression too. i would guess 80-90 million just dont care enough though.

The existence of Biden will just lead to more political gridlock, that corporate
America loves.

- corporations will not be fairly taxed
- China will go back to global market domination
- Biden will not be aggressive with Wall Street reform,
And whatever he does try to push will get pushed back by the republicans
In the senate

Everybody knows what to do and knows how to do it.....People just refuse to do it.

I Didn’t vote for Trump. However, his undoing was his behavior and personality and not his politics. Black employment and Black Ownership was up under his administration. He put the handcuffs on China, and he walked away from a lot of bogus foreign policies that America was getting the bad end of the stick on.

All of that shit is about to get walked back.

my acceptance of reality isnt what creates the reality itself.

it was already there for me to see and acknowledge.

and anyones ignorance/dismissal of reality isnt what leads to change.

you should prolly start with researching the facts that underpin a lot of your perception of reality...and not rely on some of those trump talking points you just regurgitated.

like black home ownership fell to its lowest level under trump.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/black-homeownership-drops-to-all-time-low-11563183015

and trump strengthened chinas stance...not weakened it. like our trade gap with china reached an all time high under trump as well.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/06/us-china-trade-deficit-record-1242498

no single american president has done more to propel china to superpower status than trump. hes weakened americas hand on the world stage...especially among its allies.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316133/leadership-remains-unpopular-worldwide.aspx

trump managed to make *germany* the top global power.

and all of the 'bogus foreign policies' that you claim america is getting the bad end of the stick on are shit like the paris climate agreement, world health organization, multilateral trade deals that gave the united states more geopolitical influence than its competitors (like china), etc.

all of the shit that america benefited and built the foundation of our post-wwii geopolitical dominance.

how can you be a proponent of changing our reality if your perception of that reality isnt even real in itself?

the world that you *think* exists is the one fox news paints. you should prolly get your information elsewhere.

a lot of the reason why we are in the position we are in (especially under trump) is because most americans are completely ignorant to whats really happening and theyre completely disinterested in going out and researching for themselves...instead of just relying on whatever information is spoonfed to them on social media.

you should try your best not to be part of that problem in the future.

Pre-Pandemic:

It's a fact that black unemployment dropped to its lowest number since 1972. Black workers between the ages of 25-42 had an uptick in employment from Obama-Era lows.The black poverty rate fell below 20 percent,which was a first, and more black american households earned six figure incomes than prior years. And the tax plan that he signed in 2018 led to american businesses and companies to do more hiring.

Now the pandemic changed those gains for African-Americans, so the numbers are quite different this year. But there was a HUGE uptick in black employment pre-pandemic

However, those are the factual numbers, and again I didn't support trump:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/01/donald-trump-african-american-black-economic-progress-vote-column/6081310002/

And we agree to disagree with the handling of China. He applied pressure to China that no other president was willing to do. He forced China to purchase and buy more american products and services, because the trade war did hurt China's economy which is why they surrendered to the deal when they originally refused. China was forcing American Companies to turnover their companies and technology to them, instead of exporting from America. It was squeezing america out of the export market. That is fact. China was just rolling along and manipulating american businesses from top to bottom, and China's intellectual property stealing was ignored for decades.

However, the Coronovirus Pandemic has interrupted that deal, so we have yet to see it come to fruition. It cannot be judged at this present moment. It is through the pandemic that China's economy was able to recover, which is another conversation in itself, because the pandemic came out of China.

Also, there is reality, the acceptance of that reality, and the change of that reality. At one point slavery was a reality. Now it's not. People changed it. SO WHAT MAN CAN MAKE, MAN CAN UNMAKE.

Being a realist is the understanding that change can be made, and the will to want to make a change.


We have had the same governmental structure since the independence of America. We know of no other government model......because people have chosen to accept it.

job growth under the last 3 years of obama was higher than job growth under the 1st 3 years of trump. yes...pre-pandemic.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElmZK3DXYAAZwKD?format=jpg&name=large

and unemployment (even black unemployment) was trending down since obama. obama cut it in half after the recession. brought it down from 10% to about 4.5%. it fell *1* more point under trump to about 3.5% and he took all of the credit for it and people like you fell for it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmL43UiWEAITeof?format=jpg&name=900x900


and notice you couldnt provide any factual evidence backing up anything else you said about china?

no go back and ready my original reply to you to see what i said about people who do stuff like that.

It’s already out there. So I have to research for you?

Prior to the pandemic China had upped its purchase in US services and goods, but is still behind on its 2021 agreement. But again their market was hit hard by the pandemic. But progress has been made. And the plan is basically a two year plan, so if the increases don’t continue then the tariffs get reimplemented.

Also, they have cut back on some of their intellectual property theft, but cyber theft is still an issue

Like I said the plan has yet to come fruition and is still in progress. So in two years we will really know the weight of the deal....but China was forced to play ball! That didn’t come from any other president. Obama pussy-footed,and we will see if Biden will continue to apply pressure and bring some of that manufacturing back home.

Trump also was forcing American companies to pull their manufacturing out of China, to bring some of those jobs back home or seek non-Chinese manufacturing...instead of depending on China for manufacturing. He got in Apple’s ass to make some changes or move forward to make changes. You remember Obama said that couldn’t be done.

Apple is taking half of its manufacturing elsewhere! China will
No longer be the world’s factory.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/amp/business/hon-hai-beats-profit-estimates-after-pandemic-spurs-apple-demand

——————————————————————————

“China has bought about a quarter of what would be expected this year if they were going to meet these targets by December 2021,” she said.

The Chinese economy got walloped by the coronavirus. But also, “quite honestly, I never expected China to meet the goals that were laid out in the agreement,” said Lynn Fischer Fox, a partner at the law firm Arnold & Porter.

“I figured they had a two-year timeline to do it because no one ever thought they were going to meet those goals,” she said.

If the goals aren’t met, U.S. tariffs snap back. But China is making some progress on another part of the phase one agreement: passing some intellectual property laws. But there was supposed to be a phase two deal tackling the really big issues — like cybertheft and Beijing’s subsidies for Chinese companies.

Wendy Cutler, vice president of the Asia Society Policy Institute, said those negotiations never started.

“And now what we hear from both sides is either a lack of interest, a lack of trust, but no definitive date for when those negotiations might commence,” Cutler said.

And a meeting between Washington and Beijing set for earlier this month to see how phase one was going was canceled.



https://www.marketplace.org/2020/08/24/how-is-us-china-trade-deal-going/amp/

I did get a sense you were center-leftish at one point, but you tend to just double-down on whoever's "popular" at the time which makes it difficult to make sense of your political positions lol.

One day it's Beto, then Kamala, then Liz, then Pete, then back to Kamala, then almost Bernie, then Biden, then omg all these down-ballot progressives are awesome, then back to shitting on progressives lol etc.

You usually make a seperate post to memorialize these various affinities, but not always lol

It's actually nice to just read about the types of policies you support for once tho, for real :)


>
>i think liz warrens policies are awesome. black people didnt
>fuck with her.
>
>i think bernie sanders policies are awesome. black people
>didnt fuck with him (twice).
>

ok but ^this is one of the things you do that annoys me to no end. A simple google demonstrates none of this is true. BOTH Warren and Sanders had ample Black support, it was just YOUNG BLACK support, a constituency you consistently wrote off as irrelevant throughout this cycle even tho they ended up doing Dems a solid in key states.

You'll have a decent argument and then throw in some broad-stroked bullshit like this. Stop lol

>>i think liz warrens policies are awesome. black people
>didnt
>>fuck with her.
>>
>>i think bernie sanders policies are awesome. black people
>>didnt fuck with him (twice).

>ok but ^this is one of the things you do that annoys me to no
>end. A simple google demonstrates none of this is true. BOTH
>Warren and Sanders had ample Black support, it was just YOUNG
>BLACK support, a constituency you consistently wrote off as
>irrelevant throughout this cycle even tho they ended up doing
>Dems a solid in key states.

Notice how that same analysis never applied to Beto or Kamala (both of whom he was enamored with) - despite the fact that both of them were rebuked by Black voters and could only dream of getting the Black support that Warren and particularly Sanders had.




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i mean...im used to it by now since its basically your calling card. but its not any less annoying.

>Notice how that same analysis never applied to Beto or Kamala
>(both of whom he was enamored with) - despite the fact that
>both of them were rebuked by Black voters and could only dream
>of getting the Black support that Warren and particularly
>Sanders had.

beto was the only candidate ive 'endorsed'. we have had plenty of conversations about this but you keep doing the same shit over and over.

i actually supported warren in the primary once it was clear beto wasnt going anywhere. and i still recognized her lack of black support. mature adults are able to do that.

ive also talked about the lack of black support by kamala and how that was an issue for her. extensively.

ive even criticized the black folks who complained about the lack of diversity among the handful of dem 'finalists' on stage when black people themselves didnt even support kamala and cory booker enough to keep them viable.

all of this happened whether you lie about it or not.

It's disingenuous to try and drag Bernie when he literally had a remarkably diverse coalition for a border-line 80 y.o. Jewish man from Vermont. But keep going with the sophomoric jabs if it makes you feel better.

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i assume we both know how elections work right?

you wanna win majorities.

thats not dismissing every voter who isnt part of that majority as irrelevant.

but you are trying to turn out most of your base. theres a reason the nomination isnt won by candidates who appeal to a fraction of a fraction of your base.

its this type of backwards logic that makes people on the left think someone who gets blown out in a national primary couldve won a general election with a broader and more moderate electorate.

bernie had 'ample support' among various groups. that leads to him only winning 25% of voters in a dem primary even with a monumental fundraising and infrastructure advantage.

thats the strategy you wanna move forward with? the losing one?

meanwhile biden blew through the primary and won a general election and some people are saying he should have run more like the 25% guy lol.



and i always make the point every now and then that my personal politics are one way and most of my political analysis is based on history/data/trends from an aggregate of everyone else who isnt me.

they arent personal views. theyre post game recaps combined with tea leave readings.

im not a fan of biden. but i recognized his appeal/viability based on the information that was available to me.

i was a fan of beto. he got smashed. and i recognized that too.

for some reason...nobody ever sees when i say this type of stuff or they just flat out forget it except for a few people on here lol.

He didn't *blow* through the primary lol. More like people were left with no other choice.

Here's a question, do you think Biden would have won the same number of states had the field remained? I don't. I think things would have remained split for much longer from left to center and they probably would have had to settle it at the convention *shrug*

And you may scoff at Bernie's 25-30% or whatever it was but, again, what you're missing with your broad-stroke analysis is that he had damn near maximum saturation of the youth electorate, Latino electorate, etc... constituencies Biden actually struggled with against 45 (compared to past Dems). It's literally not so black and white and, tbh, I kind of shudder at what the outcome of this election might have been without Stacey Abrams/FairFight's work in GA, WI, NV, etc.

https://twitter.com/TheWomensOrg/status/1324653254450569218
https://twitter.com/fairfightaction/status/1313854488474775552
https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/1324726322711662592
https://twitter.com/gwlauren/status/1324177768897253377


Btw: yes I know how elections work, my logic is not backwards, and I don't even know what you're insinuating about my Bernie strategy bc I was consistently one of his most vocal critics. Additionally, I think of tickets not just who ends up nominated, and I think balanced tickets are more competitive i.e. a heathen like 45 doesn't run with another heathen, he's balanced out with a religious conservative, which helped hold together the right's coalition. Obama, also, given the unique nature of his candidacy, balanced himself out with Joe. In contrast, you and the legacy Dems who think like you scoffed at the constituencies your nominee was weak with, rather than listening to them and working them into the fold such as with representation on the ticket. In the end, yes things worked out, but not without extenuating circumstances like an unstable incumbent presiding over a mass-casualty event, and Stacey Abrams/Fair Fight actually seeing value in the young progressives (that most likely backed Bernie and Warren during the primary) yall are *still* so eager to dismiss.

he was the preferred candidate when people compared him to the best alternative.

he beat bernie by over 10 million votes and won almost *40* more states/territories. thats a blowout. objectively.

bernie was only competitive when there were a ton of candidates. and he was completely non competitive when he only had to beat one. he didnt gain an ounce of support and didnt really appeal to many of the other candidates voters.

if your success in a primary completely relies on the rest of the field being completely divided between a ton of candidates...how can you claim to be the rightful leader of an entire party and its broad diverse base?

thats exactly how you only win 25% while damn near every single macro demo votes against you (women, men, black people, white people, old people, etc).

theres a reason why bernie folks on the dnc rules committee pushed to keep suppressive caucuses and encouraged a large primary with 20 candidates to divide his opposition.

but he still ended up losing just like he did in 2016. by even worse. lost over 80% of the counties he won in 2016.

if anything that proved that much of his appeal was a mirage based on anti-clinton sentiment in 2016. when he was one of the frontrunners without a boogeywoman...he severely underperformed.

biden would have still won south carolina and black voters. every dem candidate since jesse jackson that has won the black vote has won the nomination. every dem candidate who has won south carolina outside of john roberts has won the nomination. going back decades. so im not so sure biden wouldnt have still won with a divided field and anything else is just guesstimation.

biden had his vulnerabilities. but he also had enough of *something* to win a primary *and* a general.

and when i say yall are using 'backwards logic' i mean you are overly concerned with squeezing out every coin under the couch cushions in spite of focusing on increasing the money in the bank.

which one puts you in a better position to pay the bills is all im saying.

you focus on turning out the people who make up larger percentages of the electoral pie then you focus on the cherries on top.

its not a binary choice where you ignore one or the other.

I agree Joe likely would have won SC. But so? lol. By that point he, Bernie, and Pete would have won 1 state each. He probably would have swept the south, you're right, but I don't think he would have swept *all* the remaining states in the way he did when all the moderates left. But yes, this is all guesstimation lol


>
>bernie was only competitive when there were a ton of
>candidates. and he was completely non competitive when he
>only had to beat one. he didnt gain an ounce of support and
>didnt really appeal to many of the other candidates voters.
>
>if your success in a primary completely relies on the rest of
>the field being completely divided between a ton of
>candidates...how can you claim to be the rightful leader of an
>entire party and its broad diverse base?
>

Well, how can one claim to be the rightful leader of an entire party if one couldn't defeat an entire field? How many people had to drop out for 45 to win his primary in '16? lol.

And I don't want to hammer to much on Joe, bc this is supposed to be a day of jubilation. But let's not be revisionist about his primary performance. He wasn't this obvious victor right out the gate is all I'm saying.

My guess is you're gonna say you're a leftist in theory but a moderate in practice because "it just works"

Im sure you were lefty 20 years ago in your heyday, but you're comfortable now, and want to shout black people into settling for less than the bare minimum because "it just works"


We wouldn't be here if that was the case. Liberals would be enjoying their brunch and ignoring war crimes from hillary if that was the case.

Typically when people lose they find a better strategy, not reuse it and hope the devastation of a once in a century pandemic will force people into voting for you.

not sure what happened to you to make you so out of touch and compassionless. i guess we're all destined to become that sooner or later. it just works.

He's up by more votes than those remaining to be counted in Georgia. Call it

the only thing better than election night is election week.

If GA becomes official before PA they will be forced to be the first to call the election for Biden.

And my god would that be fantastic.

Republican Voters Against Trump raised $10 million.

The result of their spending: 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016. Dems lost ground in the House - and aren't going to get the majority in the Senate (for the 6 years and counting now) that everyone assumed would happen.

While there may be some truth to the notion that right now - in 2020 - it required a more centrist candidate like Biden to beat Trump - part of that is because of the Democratic messaging itself - which has acquiesced to the Republicans for too long and has allowed them to dictate the political terrain. Conservatives are championed and staunchly supported in the Republican party, but Progressives do not enjoy the same kind of support from the Democratic power centers.

Millennials now hold more voting power than the boomers - and they are decisively more Progressive by every metric. The message that only Centrists can win hasn't produced fruit in the form of Democratic majorities - and the future of the party (if they embrace it) is undoubtedly in the hands of voters who want to see more bold, dynamic progressive leadership. I don't see how the party can continue to same game-plan - especially after such glaring under-performance against a candidate who should've been soundly rebuked by a more potent messaging and resonation with voters.

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Yes, they were useless. They made funny ads and billboards, but it didn't translate into shit..

As I read somewhere else, Drumf was the logical extension of the monster that they created, and then they got mad he wouldn't play with them.

Now they can dissolved it, count their cash and go back to shitting on democrats. Anyone who really wanted to support democratic or progressive causes who donated to them took a mighty L, though.

Everyone is so fuckin impatient. You can grow that into something and it it keeps the Republican party fractured then it's money well spent.

Those dudes are legitimately pissed and care about their country. They are complicit in the Republican base getting to this point and they have admitted as much.

If we shit on them now and cast them side then we're throwing away a great resource. I connected more with them on their critique of things than most progressives and mainstream Democrats.

https://twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1324830731827355649

lol @ 'maintain our democracy' by completely wiping out the result because people didnt vote your way.

Lesson learned forreal this time! It’s always some toxic nutcases here.

I’ll leave you with this, Biden beat Bernie and now Biden is beating trump. Which really, we should all be United in wanting that outcome. The same voters that propelled Biden to the nomination are the same voters that have him on the verge of flipping GA and AZ.

U can sit here and speculate about how well Bernie would have done until ur blue in the face but guess what it don’t fucking matter becuz he didn’t win the nom...so dream on weirdos

It was a coalition of voters, from all different backgrounds, that got us to this point, the precipice of getting rid of the worst and most divisive president in American history.

Biden was the candidate and Kamala the Vp that could have the most effective coalition for this moment.

It’s sad to see the same people barely containing their dismay that Biden is about to win, becuz they really needed to be able to say I told you so.

Some states are uphill climb for democrats, that’s why they are called red states, changing demographics are a large part why GA looks like a flip and why AZ looks like a flip and one day Texas will be too. But I say this with certainty, Bernie would have got trounced in GA and AZ. He may have been able to restore the Midwest blue wall, but Black folks, and if you need the distinction to be made, middle age and Old Black folks, wouldn’t be coming out like that for Bernie....naw

But to sit here and say Steve bullock was the wrong candidate for Montana, when he has won state wide there twice, is the probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on here. It’s a hard state for dems to win, he was the best shot but we came up short.

To crow about Doug jones losing badly in Alabama, when Doug Jones only won in the first place becuz he was up against a damn child molester is also really sad and dumb, ppl want to be right so bad...

And remember, vex was the same person who was snidely and dumbly crowing about the progressive candidate winning the Tennessee dem senate primary...well look at how she did ( lost 35% to 62% to the GOP candidate) compared to how the moderate dem candidate in the 2018 Tennessee senate race did (lost 43 to 54 % for the GOP candidate). Guess what? they both lost, in a red fucking state, but bresden was obviously the better fit. I would loved for sis to have won, but I admit I didn’t think she had a chance in hell, bresden I actually did think had a shot and he obviously came closer. Bradshaw lost by 800k votes and bresden lost by 250k... Im just saying

The Democratic Party is a big tent party, like it’s always been, with room for AOC and for Joe Manchin, who identify common goals and work together to achieve them. Like we all did right here and right now, it took all kinds of voters to get to this point

When will the nutballs realize that and try to work with and not against and celebrate this moment? Good luck.

i don't think anyone expected he could hold that

Wasn’t gonna save him either way and better to have the outnumbered dems in bama behind you at least then have that whole state against u. Bama GOPs weren’t gonna vote for him either way, especially with trump on the ticket too. His only chance would Have been if Roy Moore got the nom Again

and bignick *still* aint posted lol.

>and bignick *still* aint posted lol.

>and bignick *still* aint posted lol.

edit: I was hoping you'd check in too. I like your commentary

Although I tend to disagree with u more often than I do him (not a lot with u either tho) But u always present ur arguments well and not in a dizzying annoying way lol

thx to you too. and disagreement's cool with me. I like understanding different perspectives

Dems have more power now than they did Monday. so you're right.

And yep some of these folks (here or otherwise) were so desperate for any semblance of a W


Their tone was so shitty and short sighted on Tuesday night.

But ultimately They didn’t get their I Told You So moment.

i think if i put the last 5 or 6 years together it would come to 3 or 4 hours total.

I've had this shit on for 2 days now

Even been flipping to Fox every now and then. It's a few trickles of people claiming shenanigans but they seem resigned to Trump lost. I turned on Tucker for a second he's already pivoted to Biden is a terrible president lol.

The ones against ossoff, agains mcbath, against Bordeaux, against Biden, every single one.

Regardless of the true thrust to reform the police and put more resources in community support and mental health support, we should never be writing campaign slogans for the other side

I really think that’s some Russian shit that appeared online and some folks got got and rolled with it. Ppl don’t even really talk or think like that, expect anarchists, which most Black folks are not that

very much mean it in that way. Dems need to defend these people. They are an integral part of the party.

We need police but we need other solutions to take precedent. It means, straight up, taking money from this and putting it to that, as taxpayers, as sensible citizens.

Being defensive about a demand that has to do with allocation of funds for a public service is PTSD / domestic abuse survivor behavior.

Ads. Did you not understand that was the point of my reply.

If u, urself said we need police but they need to be drastically reformed then I don’t know what exact counter point ur making. If ppl out there mean it exactly as it sounds that doesn’t at all change that fact that it was an extremely wieldy campaign attack that came out of nowhere...in 2020

Police have been terrorizing and killing Black people and other people of color for centuries in this country, I never heard “defund the police” before May 2020...had you? Serious question.

And I don’t even want to go down the road of speculating how many ppl screaming defund the police actually voted. Again, I don’t conflate BLM with “defund the police” and find it mighty RepuG of someone to do so. Hope you aren’t

>Again, I don’t conflate BLM with “defund the police” and find it
>mighty RepuG of someone to do so. Hope you aren’t

What? #DefundThePolice is featured prominently on the Black Lives Matter website right now https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/ It's championed by Alicia Garza, cofounder of Black Lives Matter here https://www.axios.com/defund-police-black-lives-matter-7007efac-0b24-44e2-a45c-c7f180c17b2e.html

A few excerpts from this article https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/defund-police-mainstream-324816

The Movement for Black Lives, a coalition of more than 50 black-led organizations under the purview of the Black Lives Matter movement, adopted this idea into its core organizing vision in 2016, marking a shift away from a platform that called for fair treatment under the law for black Americans to a focus on stripping police systems altogether.

The modern epicenter of the Defund the Police movement is Minneapolis, where a variety of groups motivated by past episodes of police brutality have been organizing for nearly a decade. One of them, the women and LGBTQ-led Black Visions Collective, penned one of the first petitions to defund their city’s police department on May 25, almost immediately after Floyd was killed. “TELL MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL TO DEFUND THE POLICE,” the headline on the petition read. Within a week, protests had sprung up in all 50 states, all defined by support of black lives and opposition to police violence.

“We did a statewide and national call and that sparked uprisings in other places,” said Oluchi Omeoga, an organizer and core team member with the Black Visions Collective.

As the calls to defund police departments echoed across the country, they forced elected officials to reckon with a movement that had suddenly broken into mainstream discussion. The breakthrough came after years of seeing activists’ impact diluted through incremental reform measures or wholesale ignoring of their demands.

“It’s different than the 2013, 2012, 2017 iteration of the Black Lives Matter movement,” Omeoga said. “We’re no longer asking for convictions or folks to be indicted. We’re asking for an actual narrative shift, a seismic shift in the systems of police.”

Also in this poll https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300 a majority of black Americans support the movement to "defund the police," (57%)

Since you posted a poll from June. Again besides the fact that BLM has officially embraced that term u didn’t negate anything else I said in my reply. So just that one part....yeah. This term came out of nowhere in May of 2020, just like u appeared out of nowhere on these boards.

> Again, I
>don’t conflate BLM with “defund the police” and find it
>mighty RepuG of someone to do so. Hope you aren’t

I just wish people weren't so defensive about reallocating resources.

Totally get your points though, didn't mean to sound combative, if I did.

or rethinking policing reforming, etc.. some of the ways i've heard DTP described or ideas brought up are great, but I also think they're doomed if you hide them behind a clickbait slogan like that. I get the appeal of doing it but BLM took yeears for (some)people to stop misinterpreting it as something hostile. and BLM as a slogan is tame as fuck.

if anyone is defensive i think it's people who lash out or try to pounce on anyone critical of the slogan. Not talking about you, but some here and elsewhere.

>or rethinking policing reforming, etc.. some of the ways i've
>heard DTP described or ideas brought up are great, but I also
>think they're doomed if you hide them behind a clickbait
>slogan like that. I get the appeal of doing it but BLM took
>yeears for (some)people to stop misinterpreting it as
>something hostile. and BLM as a slogan is tame as fuck.

BLM is not tame at all to racists. It triggers the shit out of them.

And the initial discussion on BLM even on this site was worried about it being too radical before. Just goes to show people can change

>And the initial discussion on BLM even on this site was
>worried about it being too radical before. Just goes to show
>people can change

BLM was considered poisonous to moderate politics seven years ago. and while I agree with more advantageous phrasing, BLM didn't shrink and change their name to ALM based on rhetoric from both sides back then.

so a more sellable phrase than DTP cannot sell out what it is trying to accomplish, either.

>BLM is not tame at all to racists. It triggers the shit out of
>them.
>

it triggers people because they chose to misinterpret it, same dynamic as anthem kneeling, but BLM was never radical by definition.

Defund the Police has 27 different meanings depending on who you're talking to. I don't know how many articles dropped or were posted here explaining what it 'really' means. I've seen it described as anything from re-allocate/reform to 'yes, we mean abolish'


>And the initial discussion on BLM even on this site was
>worried about it being too radical before. Just goes to show
>people can change
>

That's pretty much my point though. It took almost 5 years to get people to stop misreprenting what blm means. It's a safe bet we're not gonna see the NFL, Joe Biden, Disney, or Mitt Romney saying defund the police any time ever.

they were created to bust riots and quell labor disputes

Flash to today, Steven Lee, NYPD whistleblower, talks about how at one point, tickets for riding bikes on the sidewalk in NY were more valued than gun arrests based on it being the hot topic of the day (due to real estate, gentrification, whatever), before talking about how quotas are enforced internally in the NYPD and widespread corruption.

I think we definitely need policing in this country. But the lionization of one profession above doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, motherfuckin baristas because of American propaganda and fascination with Law & Order is kind of ridiculous if you think about it.

For me to say, I'm against paying tax dollars for policing that doesn't address the real issues plaguing our society, when I could be paying for schools, housing, infrastructure, youth programs, etc. that actually do, shouldn't be considered something radical imo.

i'm only saying the packaging sucks, and contrasting it with blm which (i personally think) is precise and perfect and still took forever to get people to stop pretending it meant something else.
DTP to me always sounds like the right wing/trump version of whatever the real slogan was.

Police Reform Now?

No More Prisons?

There are tons of ways of expressing the ideas. But still the fact that

Defund the Police

Agitates in the way it does, to me says something.

Fuck the Police didn't piss as many people off even, right?

It's pretty amazing. And it's 100% legal. It's not Steve Bannon "Behead the Dems", it's not making plans to kidnap Whitmer, it's saying we're not paying you anymore.

It's clunky and sure to piss people off, but it's effective.

It reminds police that they are public servants, which after lifetimes of murder with impunity and abuse of power, really gets them angry.

or reach out to bring people on board, and actually start rethinking policing. it's great if it plays right to the people who are already down, and sure its largely performative when Glade Plug-ins say Black Lives Matter, but it does help as (some)people start thinking maybe it's not the hostile statement they've convinced themselves it is.

i could be dead wrong but dtp feels largely echo-chamber-y and ultimately does more harm thank good.

but to get people to think, you have to smack them in the face. 'Police reform' puts people to sleep or shuts off their brain.

It's not to build consensus it's a conviction

There is a place for consensus building in the party and there is a place for speaking convictions.

mainly because of the anchoring to blm.
everyone who supports dtp supports blm, but not necessarily the other way around. Which of course is fine in itself but the more people try to make them one in the same will ultimately be a net loss imo

but we're not gonna agree lol

for lawsuits, recounts, and shit.

but most of the money is going to pay off his campaign debt lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmLzqC_WEAsDuiu?format=jpg&name=large

always be grifting (c) glengarry glen ross (remix)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Who’s going to stake him the money? Lindsey Graham?

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https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1324807776510595078?s=21

Not just this tweet too. She has been publicly attacking other Democrats too. She’ll be in Congress for a long time — but I see no chance of her winning anything larger than the current district she serves.

“Big Tent” means exactly what it sounds like.

What are you offended about.


Yikes. This is ill behavior. Can't even comprehend what you read. Your hatred of the left blinds you so much you're mad at her for wanting to hold trumps people accountable.


it just works.

I don’t have an issue with this particular tweet, but she’s just too divisive and it’s annoying.

I'm good.

so they can be publicly mocked and shamed and retaliated against for the rest of their existence?

if so...then she should immediately be placed on the short list for attorney general under the biden administration.

just throw her the keys to the doj and tell her "have fun kid".

Give her a phone book and turn the security cameras off.

People stumbling over themselves to give their sun-dried-ass takes about people orders of magnitude smarter than them.

https://twitter.com/randylobasso/status/1324782763900284928?s=21


https://twitter.com/ambiej/status/1324872733818318849?s=21

Note: I definitely think so, lol. Aside from him already possibly-not-joking about it publicly, it would be only the millionth similarity I see between this man and various African despots lol.

Any guesses as to where he (and possibly some of his family members) might flee??

I think Russia is an obvious possibility. Or maybe somewhere in the Balkans... since his wife/son/in-laws can speak some of the languages and there's lots of really beautiful physical terrain (for whatever reason I think they would try to cling to the illusion of luxury).

Lol... Saudi Arabia? That would actually be mad African of him lol (eg. Idi Amin)

I also could see his daughter and son-in-law considering a relocation to Israel..

Is there a list of countries that don't extradite to the US??



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/28/is-president-donald-trump-a-flight-risk-433313


He said it.

Earlier this month, at a campaign rally in Macon, Georgia, President Donald Trump mused aloud to the crowd about what he might do if he loses the election on November 3. “Maybe I'll have to leave the country, I don’t know,” Trump said.

Was the statement merely a sour-grapes throwaway line by a cantankerous candidate facing potential defeat? Or was it a signal that Trump might actually abandon—some would say flee—our shores and seek refuge elsewhere if he is routed by a Joe Biden victory?

During my long military intelligence career I spent countless hours with my peers working on diverse “What if … ?” contingency scenarios in complex locales such as the Balkans and Afghanistan. In these intensely personal environments, where clan or tribal loyalty is paramount, local and regional leaders, often with links to organized criminal activities and enabling transnational networks, could be dangerously unpredictable. Judging from the array of personality traits gleaned from these and numerous other experiences, and correlating them to his current circumstances, to me Trump appears to be a classic flight risk.

Setting aside for the moment his conduct as president, Trump faces a financial and legal reckoning of immense proportions as soon as he leaves office. If he loses, he will no longer have protection from an avalanche of charges and lawsuits against him, his family and the Trump Organization. His years of alleged tax evasion will be officially scrutinized—and far more publicly than before he held office. He will no longer be able to claim (falsely) that his taxes are still “under audit” and unavailable. Trump properties and investments could be frozen, seized or plummet in value. The true nature of his extraordinary personal financial debt—recently reported as $421 million—will be exposed, and his likely foreign creditors revealed. Surely adding to his worries was the announcement on October 15 by the Internal Revenue Service that it is indicting Robert Brockman, a wealthy Houston software magnate, in its largest tax-fraud case ever. The action against Brockman shows that the IRS is not afraid to go after big fish who attempt to circumvent their tax obligations.

Personality and longstanding habits are key factors in assessing a subject’s likely future behavior and choices. Even the most casual observer knows that Donald Trump is heavily invested in his self-image as a successful businessman and wheeler-dealer. He takes pride in flouting norms, finding loopholes and playing fast and loose with laws and the truth. If his private financial house of cards is put on harsh public display in high-stakes government and state-level litigation, the aura of celebrity and success that Trump has cultivated for decades is not likely to survive intact. There is nothing in this president’s demeanor, past or present, to suggest that he has the fortitude or integrity to face auditors, prosecutors, or anyone else who challenges him, particularly if the outcome is likely to involve public humiliation and loss of assets, prestige and power. The option of salvaging what he can by relocating to a jurisdiction beyond the reach of U.S. laws would not be a stretch for someone who has long been openly disdainful of our tax and legal systems.

While it is rare among leaders of developed democracies, during the past 50 years we’ve seen a number of high-profile flights by national leaders facing major legal, political or societal problems at home, These include Bolivian president Evo Morales, who fled to Mexico just last year; Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in 2014; and Ferdinand Marcos from the Philippines in 1986. All three fled in the wake of contentious elections, either after being ousted by voters or toppled by sustained protests. At the moment nothing suggests that Trump faces the unlikely prospect of being chased out of the country. But it’s no stretch to point out the parallel, either: They were all unorthodox strongman leaders who abused their offices, and simply didn’t see a way to stay comfortably in their countries once they’d lost power.

In the U.S., Trump might be familiar with some of the high-rolling financial fraudsters who decamped from the U.S. as the law was closing in. Among the most notorious was Robert Vesco, who successfully evaded justice by fleeing in a corporate jet in 1973 and remained out of reach until his death decades later. Less fortunate were Richard Allen Stanford, 2009, and Martin Frankel, 1999. Both tried to escape the U.S. by leasing private jets. Stanford was captured before he could finalize arrangements; Frankel made it as far as Germany but was later extradited to the U.S. for a long jail term.

If Trump were to lose the election and opt to slip away, where, when, and how might such a scenario play out? The “where” is straightforward: His most logical move would be to negotiate asylum somewhere from which extradition would be difficult. Doing so would allow him to temporarily escape U.S. jurisdiction and law, although he would also become in essence a hostage, a gilded trophy of sorts. After first fleeing to Costa Rica in 1973, Vesco made his home in Antigua, Nicaragua and Cuba, whose governments were not inclined to cooperate with U.S. authorities. And Edward Snowden, the disgruntled Booz Allen contractor turned whistleblower, has been living in Russia, under the protection (and eye) of the Putin regime, after fleeing the U.S. in 2013 with a treasure trove of classified information.

When and how Trump might exit the country are slightly more complex questions. If Trump is decisively trounced next week, one subset of possibilities emerges; if his defeat is a narrow one, another subset arises.

If Trump loses badly, it is conceivable he could plan a stealth departure sometime during the 11-week period before Inauguration Day, while he still has the protection of legal immunity as a sitting president. Leaving U.S. airspace before he resumes the status of private citizen at noon on January 20 would allow him to escape—or at least delay—dealing face-to-face with many creditors and lawsuits. Classic indicators of preparation for such a move would include fast sales of domestic properties and investments, and a quiet amassing of wealth offshore, out of reach of U.S. authorities. Trump’s family members and trusted corporate staff would likely be heavily involved in orchestrating the relocation.

A chilling alternative, however fanciful, could arise if Trump flees abroad after losing a close, viciously contested election. Hunkered down in a foreign country willing to provide sanctuary, he could conceivably style himself a “president in exile” and incite his die-hard American followers to resist the election results. A degree of domestic upheaval and dangerous division would linger for an extended period until the new administration is able to foster calm and unity.

How might this happen? What methods might a sitting U.S. president use to leave the country on a one-way journey? The choice could be as brazen as not reboarding Air Force One while out of the country at a conference or summit. Cases abound of athletes and artists escaping repressive regimes by refusing to reboard official aircraft and instead negotiating asylum. While on U.S. shores, Trump could find a creative way to slip his Secret Service detail and fly away in a friend’s private jet or foreign aircraft. Sailing away into international waters would also be a plausible option. In 2019, fugitive U.S. computer-security software magnate John McAfee used his yacht to elude the IRS and Securities and Exchange Commission for months until he was arrested in Spain on October 6, 2020. Steve Bannon made news last August when the Coast Guard arrested him while on a foreign yacht off Connecticut.

If all this sounds like a B-grade spy novel, it should. The flight of a U.S. president would be unprecedented, unsettling and profoundly disappointing. As a minimum, a presidential defection would temporarily absorb the resources and attention of a wide range of U.S. defense, intelligence and law enforcement agencies. In more than two centuries of peaceful transfers of presidential power, nothing remotely conceivable like it has ever happened.

I fervently hope we won’t face such a disturbing turn of events. But if there is anything to learn with this president, it is to expect the unexpected. As his unabashed admiration of authoritarian world leaders has shown us these past four chaotic years, Donald Trump values autocrats over democratic government, and places his self-interest well above the sacred trust he was elected to protect and uphold four years ago.

next. As delusional as his supporters are it’s hard to believe they will just accept the results of the election and move on. Will there be violent plots? Will they plan to separate and form their own country?

of violencer or threats of violence so far... but you're right.

And it's creepy knowing that there's animus there, even if it's not acted on.

>of violencer or threats of violence so far... but you're
>right.
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>And it's creepy knowing that there's animus there, even if
>it's not acted on.

How ‘Defund the Police’ Became a Flashpoint in Competitive N.Y. Races
Democrats are debating whether the party’s stances alienated moderates, but progressives like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenged that narrative.


Leo Lykourezos, who owns a pizzeria in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, supported the Republican challenger in his local House race.
Leo Lykourezos, who owns a pizzeria in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, supported the Republican challenger in his local House race.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
Luis Ferré-SadurníJesse McKinley
By Luis Ferré-Sadurní and Jesse McKinley
Published Nov. 6, 2020
Updated Nov. 7, 2020, 8:25 a.m. ET

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The feelings of betrayal seemed to begin about a year ago, when Representative Max Rose, a first-term Democratic congressman representing a swing district that includes Staten Island, voted in favor of impeaching President Trump.

Then, as calls to defund the police swirled around New York City and Black Lives Matter demonstrations filled the streets this summer, Mr. Rose joined a protest. That further alienated some moderate voters.

“The Republican promise was strong in terms of safety,” said Thomas Abbate, 46, a mechanical engineer from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, who voted for Mr. Rose in 2018, but switched his vote this year to the Republican candidate, Nicole Malliotakis, because he said he feels his neighborhood is in decline. “We need a change.”

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Buoyed by the prospects of broad anti-Trump fervor in New York City, Democrats had hoped to retain Mr. Rose’s seat, traditionally a Republican bulwark. Instead, he is on the verge of losing his race to Ms. Malliotakis. Republicans also seem poised to keep two House seats on Long Island that Democrats had hoped to flip, and could gain another seat in Central New York.


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Nicole Malliotakis, a Republican state assemblywoman, declared victory on election night, but her opponent, Representative Max Rose, has not conceded.Credit...Benjamin Norman for The New York Times
The Democratic Party, despite securing its majority in the House, lost seats instead of building its majority as expected. The party is now roiled in a debate over its future and its messaging, fueled by concerns that its stances had alienated moderate voters in competitive races. The passions spilled over in a conference call on Thursday between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her caucus.

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The party’s progressive stars, including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have forcefully challenged that narrative, suggesting Democrats faring poorly failed to get their message across through digital platforms, a critical oversight during a pandemic.

“I decided to open the hood on struggling campaigns of candidates who are blaming progressives for their problems,” she wrote on Twitter on Friday. “Almost all had awful execution on digital. DURING A PANDEMIC.”


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While the suburbs in many parts of the country seemed to reject Mr. Trump’s brand of brash, hard-right rhetoric and policy, several Republican candidates in New York appeared to find success by characterizing moderate Democrats in swing districts as anti-law enforcement. That message was often conflated with calls from the left to “defund the police” and with occasionally violent clashes between authorities and Black Lives Matter protesters.

“The woke movement awakened the cultural conservative in a lot of voters,” said William F. B. O’Reilly, a Republican political consultant in New York. “The left overreached.”


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Mr. Rose, center, ran as a centrist, but angered some conservative voters for taking part in a Black Lives Matter protest.
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Some Democratic leaders and political consultants have forcefully pushed back on characterizations that the party fell short in the 2020 elections, noting that they were behind in competitive districts that tend to favor Republicans in the first place.

In the State Senate, where several first-term Democratic incumbents are behind after machine counts of ballots, officials say there are tens of thousands of absentee ballots — which have broken heavily for Democrats in other states — yet to be counted, giving the party hope of limiting or completely eliminating losses.

Still, there was a grudging acknowledgment by Democratic leaders that their candidates had underperformed.

The state’s three-term Democratic governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, repeated on Friday that he felt the election results in New York “shouldn’t have been that close,” an outcome he attributed to Republican attacks on moderate Democrats and their usage of images of New York City during protests and scattered incidents of looting.

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“In New York, I think the Republican message that they orchestrated, saying Democratic chaos must be stopped, Democrats are anti-law-and-order, I think that resonated,” the governor said.


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The 11th Congressional District, represented by Mr. Rose, encompasses Staten Island and a part of South Brooklyn, and has long been the city’s most conservative. Guy Molinari and Susan Molinari, a Republican father and daughter political dynasty, represented the district in Congress for most of the 1980s and 1990s.

Mr. Rose was elected in a “blue wave” in 2018, beating the incumbent, Dan Donovan, by running as an anti-establishment centrist, saying he wanted to “get rid of all the leadership in D.C. — Republican and Democrat.”

But Ms. Malliotakis easily found success linking Mr. Rose, a veteran, to the Black Lives Matter movement and the progressive factions of his party, including the city’s unpopular mayor.

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“She was able to paint Max Rose as less strong on law and order,” said Jim Lamond, 79, a resident of Bay Ridge who voted Democrat, but who has close friends who didn’t. “They thought Rose was too linked to de Blasio,” referring to Bill de Blasio, the New York City mayor.

Democrats also faced potential roadblocks on Long Island, once a Republican stronghold, but which has turned increasingly Democratic as suburban demographics rapidly change.

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The party found success there in 2018, picking up four State Senate seats long held by Republicans. Democrats had hoped to build on that success, investing heavily to try to flip two congressional districts whose voters had traditionally elected Republicans.


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Jim Lamond, of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, said that some of his friends refused to vote for Mr. Rose because they associated him with Mayor Bill de Blasio.
Jim Lamond, of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, said that some of his friends refused to vote for Mr. Rose because they associated him with Mayor Bill de Blasio.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
The efforts seem poised to fail. On the eastern end of Long Island, the Republican incumbent since 2015, Representative Lee Zeldin, held a sizable lead over his Democratic challenger in the 1st Congressional District, with absentee votes yet to be counted.

The race in the 2nd District, which is represented by Peter King, a 14-term Republican who is retiring, appeared tighter, but Andrew Garbarino, a Republican Assemblyman, held an edge over the Democrat, Jackie Gordon, with absentee votes yet to be counted.

And Mr. Trump, who despite his unpopularity in many parts of New York, his former home state, seems on track to amass more votes in Nassau and Suffolk Counties than he did in 2016. His presence at the top of the ticket, some political observers said, may have benefited Mr. Garbarino in a district with many blue-collar voters.

“Trump in 2016, and this year, has been the largest driver of Republican voters in modern history,” said Matt Rey, a partner at Red Horse Strategies, a political consulting firm based in the city. “That includes bringing out a whole host of people who have never voted before, and beating his ability to do so in 2016.”

In several of New York’s swing districts, voters interviewed this week — many of them older and white — appeared receptive to Republicans’ law-and-order message and the perception that the Democratic Party was run by the far left and was singularly obsessed with defeating the president.

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“I don’t see Democrats putting anything forward as a plan other than ‘orange-man bad,’” said Vinny Papa, 54, who works as a parts manager at a car dealership in Suffolk County.

Mr. Papa, an independent voter who said he has voted for both Democrats and Republicans, said he is “not a big Trump supporter,” but voted for Mr. Trump because “Republicans are bad, and the Democrats are a hundred times worse.”

Dana Gencarelli, 35, a mother of two young children, said that she was happy with Ms. Malliotakis’s lead because her top concern was public safety, a priority she said Mr. Rose did not share.

“Do I always feel Republicans are doing the right thing? No,” she said, as she had pizza with family outside of Leo’s in Bay Ridge. “But right now the Democrats aren’t doing the right thing.”

Still others, including Cameron Lory Faulds, a Bay Ridge resident who has voted for both parties in the past, voted for the entire Democratic ticket, including Joseph R. Biden Jr. — as did her husband, who is a registered Republican. Her social views, she said, were key in her choice of candidates.

“I’m not voting for Trump’s enablers,” she said standing by a yard sign outside her home that read: “I’m a Republican but not a fool! Biden 2020.”

In many cases, however, voters appeared jaded by an election cycle that devolved into one of the most bruising and divisive in recent memory. With the outcome of the election still uncertain, some voters preferred not to express their political views or say who they had voted for.

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Walking in Lindenhurst, a village on Long Island’s South Shore, Richard S. Tibbets, 74, a retired union electrician and veteran, was one of those reticent voters.


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Richard S. Tibbets, a retired union electrician and veteran, would not say who he voted for, but wore a Trump hat as he walked around Lindenhurst.
Richard S. Tibbets, a retired union electrician and veteran, would not say who he voted for, but wore a Trump hat as he walked around Lindenhurst.Credit...James Estrin/The New York Times
“We don’t even know if our commander in chief is going to be the next president or not,” he said. “It doesn’t look good, but you never know.”

Mr. Tibbets would not say who he voted for, but his choice of headwear, if not his comments, seemed to provide the answer: He wore a Trump 2020 hat.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324698828944138243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1324698828944138243%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F11%2F06%2Fnyregion%2Felection-nyc-defund-police.html

After days and days of milking it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54836636

im not in a super blue area either.

i think some of these folks just wanted to throw it in their neighbors faces. prolly been arguing with them niggas for the last 4 years.

But no one cheering either.

I’m not surprised but can’t wait to go back to Cali

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1325114711634038788

tryna act like the trump presidency was horrific for *him*.

nigga really crying cuz his meal ticket bout to leave the spotlight.

https://twitter.com/Sirsargent/status/1325125499270492166

Now we wait till inauguration to finally sigh with relief.

https://youtu.be/np6vAuS0KNs

https://www.drudgereport.com/

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It's a good day!

john james, angel stanton king, kim klacik, etc.

all them folks who were telling people about a black renaissance in the republican party.

with will hurd leaving congress...i think theres literally 1 black repub in dc. ole capital gums lowercase teeth ass tim scott.

and all those black internet trolls who were getting paid under the table by right wing ops like prager u and the mercers gotta go punch a clock now.

Bye, bye, orange ass race.

Continue as nauseam lol , Warnock has a good new one where he is mocking attack ads against him.

he ran a fairly reserved campaign.

i think that new ad makes him more personable to voters.

Warnock is a great politically, and even in the pulpit, but he's got some negatives related to his ex that are going to resonate a little bit.

and disregards what Jim Clyburn and the like tell him.

Ossoff too, though I'm not hopeful.

Dems ALWAYS the ones to compromise, huh?

I say focus on getting the GA Senate seats and FUCK THEM!

obama came in with a 10 million vote massive mandate and the media pestered him about healing the nation and reaching across the aisle.

trump came in with -3 million vote repudiation and the media said governing solely for his base was just him keeping campaign promises.

In October at least, his yard signage got up to a respectable level. I was worried becuz I currently live in middle upper middle class all Black neighborhood in ATL and for a while there were no signs for him.

On the ballot for his race you had to scroll all the way down to the end to get to his name and there were plenty of other dems to chose from, I think that’s part of why virtual unknown Debra Jackson got like 100k votes because she had a Black name and D next to it lol and smh.

i saw this article title in business insider: Biden might need to negotiate with Mitch McConnell on Cabinet picks if Democrats remain the minority

i immediately wanted to throw up. media already starting with this bullshit.

to leadership positions in his administration and completely bypassed the senate.

one of his dudes got canned in the senate even with a republican majority.

trump installed him anyway.

the media didnt give a fuck about any of this.

...he wants. Dude is winning the popular vote by 7 million votes and counting.

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1325128565025771520

like american troops rolling through liberated cities in defeated dictatorships.

https://twitter.com/pkafka/status/1325128096991891457

old black people be knowing america better than america knows america.

https://twitter.com/iambrattyb/status/1325147234573414400

Bye

https://twitter.com/azaliafenty/status/1325116721724862471

https://twitter.com/cynfinite/status/1325140039853084673

I'm so mad at myself for not thinking of that that I might take a nap.

ughhhh

Wasn’t sure which way that was
Gonna go lol

No, I'm not linking the actual tweet, but, in his words:

"Qanon was a democratic strategy to keep many conservatives complacent in trusting the plan' while the left continued their evil corruption."

That take is even more hilarious

Giants fans loved him during the 2010 WS run ("rally-thong," my ass), but I always knew that he wasn't shit.

As soon as the Giants stopped winning, he pissed away all his support with lightning speed.

https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361

Now the real work begins - but everyone should be partying right now - and OKP - everyone should cease the intra-rivalry bickering at least for a night.

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But as I check in on the thought leaders of the “progressive” movement it suggests otherwise

Sirota, Briahna, etc. they haven’t missed a beat

It’s as if Biden and Kamala didn’t win in that universe

>But as I check in on the thought leaders of the
>“progressive” movement it suggests otherwise
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>Sirota, Briahna, etc. they haven’t missed a beat

You're considering them the leaders of the "progressive" movement? Not AOC - who congratulated Biden/Kamala tonight and will do her part in the great work? Not Sanders - who worked his ass off to help this ticket be successful?

I actually think this is a great opportunity for a moment of unification amongst vying factions - but that can't happen if we think that Sirota speaks for everyone who considers themselves to be progressive.



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after a W

so cheers, all.

>after a W
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>so cheers, all.

Facts. Cheers.

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Shit is like xmas

like aw fuck

nm

i know it was a fuck up but since it wasn't the hotel, did they check with the owners before doing this or Rudy and these idiots just show up in front and destroy a business?

out here sounding like a grown up who doesn't talk about himself ever 30 seconds

it feels like a regime change after a decade of disunity/conflict.

they shoulda had him come out there with a laptop bag.

cuz lord knows all the flack she received when she joined the biden campaign.

But I think symone gonna get taken care of in the admin. Either chief of staff or press sec.

https://twitter.com/ArianFoster/status/1325274808414777346

for anyone that missed it:
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1325262479438569472

sure the producer was yelling in his ear after folks ran the tape back, he tried to play it off but everybody at the desk was like “oooh” lol

I haven't looked into it yet but I know we've got some plugged-in OKPs around those parts ...

https://twitter.com/nanglish/status/1325242917519233024?s=21

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html

one final fuck you from a pissed off staffer or something.

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1325280919062765568

a lot of "LOL don't they remember 2000?" and pictures of Gore being declared president elect. She's even got Guiliani up there. It's funny because she's trying to appear so smug about it but there's like 20 posts in a day, and she's probably hours away from an all caps explosion.

I removed her from my news feed years ago but i almost want to follow her again.