You’re either working to end fascism

Or fuck you

A clown even

Who got used like a an IG model in Dubai

Both things are probable true

You’re also on record saying what’s so bad about trump. So birds ...

>You’re also on record saying what’s so bad about trump.
>So birds ...

Which is very On brand for you, Young H

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13393327&mesg_id=13393327&listing_type=search#13393443

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but by all means, have fun hoping a famous black guy harms himself, wanting to Trump to die and hating Kim Kardashian for being rich

it's clear who isnt well adjusted here

Oh sweetie

joe rogan is the worst

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9472473/kanye-west-joe-rogan-recap

He's saying the normal stuff people who get brain damage and then become religious say.

I heard a LOT OF INSIGHTFUL points form Kanye.

How much is the earth worth?

How the music industry is parasitic and is a microcosm of how the world is set up economically.

Efficiency of living, working, education, food etc.

I'm not into church and that stuff but he made some insightful points.

Lmao.. that was funny.

Again, I just think this dude feels he is blessed by God because he’s had an amazing run as an artist.

Still not sure why so many keep interviewing about this dumb ass run for President.

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not even yeezus

It's so full circle that the guy who was anti-education talks like this. This is what it sounds like when a reasonably intelligent person really doesn't engage with the long history of people who have thought and engaged big ideas and complex topics. This mofo really think he is going to intuit us out of national debt. Imagine being so untethered from reality because you are rich and famous that when you float this dumb high dorm room shit you have 1000s of people encouraging you and making you think you are on to something. Its Trump all over again. SMH.

I am looking forward to seeing him crash and burn too.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Or maybe he won’t.

I can’t wait for the fall though

hint: it rhymes with jews


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Black people have to WANT to be successful in order for Republican policies to work for them, was it worth the push back he got?

He might have smiled in your face, but with the mask off on conservative news, he told you exactly what he thought.

"Here's what they think about you"

Biden or one of his surrogates says some shit and we'd have 200+ posts already.

"B-b-but Ice Cube is playing 4D checkers! He sees the big picture!"

These dumb niggas don't know who the fuck they are fucking with. Trying to curry favor with the wrong fucking people.

They are promising platinum but paying in lead.

And dozens of others having panic attacks because we dared criticize joe biden


this blind loyalty to democrats gotta stop. The truth is both of these parties are playing chess and treating us like pieces.

Republicans are going further to the right every year and establishment dems are chasing after them and shitting on minorities to court the conservative vote.

So if we can't demand anything from dems because they're trying to appease the right....what purpose do they serve?

Until material conditions change for black people we can't expect loyalty to the democrats. We need concrete changes, not an existential crisis every 4 years. 60+ years voting bruh. Where are we?


ps: you're mad that ice cube had a conversation with the trump administration. After trying and failing to get a conversation with dems. lets be clear. that is what is happening.

When you take time away from far-rightwing outlets and read both Biden's plan and CWBA (the full version) and Trump's 2-page Platinum Plan. Come back.

Until then, good luck. You're gonna need it.

I've said before that Biden's plan is decent (cube's plan is problematic in several ways), and also said that he should highlight it more during his campaign. He's afraid to do so because...once again, he wants to court moderates/conservatives.


Despite biden having the best plan, does his track record show that he's capable, let alone willing, to honor it?

I understand election years are exhausting and we want to just toss a blue vote and dismiss anyone who is critical of the system but like...how is that sustainable.


60+ years.

>I've said before that Biden's plan is decent (cube's plan is
>problematic in several ways), and also said that he should
>highlight it more during his campaign. He's afraid to do so
>because...once again, he wants to court
>moderates/conservatives.

Look at you! Finally, someone that read them!

Yeah, that is the problem with holding office in America is that you are beholden to interests that are often contradictory or in direct conflict. Moderates and conservatives vote with more regularity than young progressives so...Also, administrations are typically comprised of both Democrats and Republicans. Plus, if the Trumps can be trusted to listen to Ice Cube. John Kasich shouldn't really be some kind of a deal breaker should he? Now, do I want him in the cabinet? Nope. But 1. consider he alternative. 2. According to your logic, Republicans can be trusted (possibly moreso than Biden himself) so NBD, right?


Biden's plan is better than decent. It's good, really good. Full stop. So are his other plans all of which, should they be enacted (will address below. but weird how no one talks about the Senate here), would have profound positive impacts for Black people.

Having read all three plans, you know that 1. In terms of policy, it is clearly the most comprehensive, clearly thought out, and potentially impactful 2. CWBA, while it has some good elements is severely limited in certain ways and in some ways demonstrates a clear lack of understanding/vision. If they were serious there would be environmental justice issues and instead of trying to make Juneteenth a holiday they'd be trying to make voting day a federal holiday 3. Trump's plan is as hollow as everything else they do and not worth discussing. Again, promise you platinum. Pay you in lead.

Relatedly, no one on here mentioned Biden's answer to the young bol at his town hall who asked "what do you have to offer Black people other than 'Not Black'" and Biden proceeded to bore that little brother to death talking about Black wealth creation for like 5 minutes. It was wonky grown-folk talk but it was specific and it was substantive just like Biden's plan.

>
>
>Despite biden having the best plan, does his track record show
>that he's capable, let alone willing, to honor it?

Yes. His record is verifiable as is Trump's now. Certainly moreso than Trump.

Here's the thing I said in the other post: Trump is willfully and purposefully letting Americans die of a preventable pandemic. He's letting Black and brown people die in unparalleled numbers. Just two weeks ago they rolled back the Fair Housing Act (After meeting with Ice Cube). They continue to rollback environmental protections. They are actively antagonistic to the American people and to Black people in particular and they are setting to stay in the White House beyond 2024.

You think an administration that actively wants to turn America into a white-ethnostate is going to honor anything? You think an administration that is actively letting Black people die of a pandemic is going to honor black people? The same one that is about to strip health insurance? The same one that appointed 200 judges every single one of them white?

Fam, these don't even honor their promises or pay their debts to other fucking white people.

Bruh, we're discussing this in a post talking about Jared Kushner just went on Fox News and said his FIL can't want Black folks to succeed more than Black folks. Like, what are we even talking about?!

They have waged a multi-front campaign trying to keep Black people from voting but they are gonna do right by Black people after the election?! I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.

Ask the German Jews of 1933 who thought the Nazis wouldn't and couldn't come for them. Spoiler alert: They got the same thing as everybody else.

Think of it this way: "When you vote, you are choosing an opponent. Would you rather push a centrist or push a fascist?"

Biden will need to be pushed to do the right thing. Most politicians do. But he can. Trump cannot. At best, you can try to curry favor but that marker is only good until it comes due and it always comes due.

The time for playing both sides against each other is done. The landscape has changed. It literally doesn't work when one-side is actively working toward your elimination. Again, ask the Jews in Germany, ask the Austrians in 1933.

>
>I understand election years are exhausting and we want to just
>toss a blue vote and dismiss anyone who is critical of the
>system but like...how is that sustainable.
>
>
>60+ years.

I'm not asking people to dismiss criticism. There is AMPLE reason to be pissed. There is AMPLE reason to be critical. My issue isn't with Ice Cube going off the reservation. It's with his utter inability to understand the situation. The Trump team saw him as another name the blacks know that they could use to potentially wedge some black male voters and keep them from voting and shift the narrative so people are discussing Ice Cube instead of everything else. And he got NOTHING out of it. He got a seat at the table in at a dinner party hosted by cannibals. Bully for him.

I'm not mad at Ice Cube for wanting to do something for our people. I'm mad that he made a major tactical failure driven by a lack of political acumen.

So, yes, "the system" is fucked. Yes, there is enough blame and criticism to go around the earth twice. But to the Black folk that think they are not going to suffer more under capital-letter White Supremacist autocracy than in a lower-case white supremacist democracy, then, I don't know what to tell them.

Y'all think the crime bill was bad? Look alive, because what's coming down the pipe is going to make the crime bill look like the Civil Rights Act and they are working on ensuring there is no recourse by which to change it.

People want to lay it at the feet of Ginsburg, Obama, and every Democrat they can but fail to ignore that the right has been waging an all-out war on this country and the government (which has been non-functioning) for most of their adult lives. These same people do this from the sidelines pretending to be above it all. When really they want to assign blame for their unwillingness to participate and as an outlet for their own political impotence.

I said this during impeachment and the some of the same folks sticking up for Cube now poo-pooed the reality then. They are gonna come in here and shit on it again. Such is the neverending cycle of okp.

said it much better than I could have

Republicans are vile. This isn't up for debate. But democrats have been complicit and more concerned with political theatre than actual progress. Hugging Lindsey Graham and whatnot. We should be able to discuss their weaknesses from a strategic point of view without theatrics and being overly defensive. They're way too comfortable with having our votes without really fighting for us. 60+ years. Home ownership, unemployment rates, school funding in black neighborhoods have either dropped or stayed stagnant.

>
>Yeah, that is the problem with holding office in America is
>that you are beholden to interests that are often
>contradictory or in direct conflict. Moderates and
>conservatives vote with more regularity than young
>progressives so...

Yet an overwhelming majority or voters that were surveyed supported M4A and UBI. So if the issue is progressives not voting, fine, but these so called "progressive" policies are supported by people who do vote.

Another thing is, if republicans are drastically moving more right every year, then the definition of "moderate" is slowly and surely becoming more right. You dont fight fascism with centrism. Sooner or later the people in power need to develop actual principles instead of flailing their arms when they dont have the trust of the people.

Why are democrats in such a vulnerable position with black voters? Whats lacking? 60+ years.

Also, administrations are typically
>comprised of both Democrats and Republicans. Plus, if the
>Trumps can be trusted to listen to Ice Cube. John Kasich
>shouldn't really be some kind of a deal breaker should he?

Noone's saying Trump's team is trustworthy. No one. Ice Cube made a PSA. Both teams responded, they both bullshitted Cube but Trump's team made a public statement for clout. Framing it as Cube seeking the trump administration is reckless.

If roe vs wade is "on the ballot," why is an avid anti-abortion advocate being considered by Biden? Why wouldn't Kasich be a red flag here? Is the administration also courting leftists to balance things out or...? Is Biden truly "reaching across the aisle" when its mostly moderate/hard core conservatives on his team when he himself is a moderate?

We sit here and lose our minds when celebrities even look at a republican, but when actual people in power are actively working with them its nothing but excuses and "coalition building."

You don't see the pattern here of people being afraid of holding democrats accountable? Voting is our only bargaining tool because, yknow...lack of power, so wouldn't it be wise to dangle the carrot a little? 60+ years.

>Now, do I want him in the cabinet? Nope. But 1. consider he
>alternative. 2. According to your logic, Republicans can be
>trusted (possibly moreso than Biden himself) so NBD, right?
>
>

Projecting. Never said this. Never will say this.

>Biden's plan is better than decent. It's good, really good.
>Full stop. So are his other plans all of which, should they be
>enacted (will address below. but weird how no one talks about
>the Senate here), would have profound positive impacts for
>Black people.
>

While countless cities in america had anti police brutality demonstrations Joe Biden said verbatim he wants to give *more* funding to police. Those are his words.


He has some good plans, and some downright awful ones. Why is hard to tell the truth? What are we gaining?




>Here's the thing I said in the other post: Trump is willfully
>and purposefully letting Americans die of a preventable
>pandemic. He's letting Black and brown people die in
>unparalleled numbers. Just two weeks ago they rolled back the
>Fair Housing Act (After meeting with Ice Cube). They continue
>to rollback environmental protections. They are actively
>antagonistic to the American people and to Black people in
>particular and they are setting to stay in the White House
>beyond 2024.
>
>You think an administration that actively wants to turn
>America into a white-ethnostate is going to honor anything?
>You think an administration that is actively letting Black
>people die of a pandemic is going to honor black people? The
>same one that is about to strip health insurance? The same one
>that appointed 200 judges every single one of them white?
>
>Fam, these don't even honor their promises or pay their debts
>to other fucking white people.
>
>Bruh, we're discussing this in a post talking about Jared
>Kushner just went on Fox News and said his FIL can't want
>Black folks to succeed more than Black folks. Like, what are
>we even talking about?!
>

*We* aren't talking about anything. You're projecting and putting words in my mouth instead of paying attention. I dont support trump at all and dont expect anything from him. We all agree republicans are evil, but if we can't rely on democrats to do the right thing because they're playing softball with republicans...then whats really good?

We should be able to criticize these people who live off taxpayers and hold high positions, way more than we criticize fucking rappers.

>They have waged a multi-front campaign trying to keep Black
>people from voting but they are gonna do right by Black people
>after the election?! I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy
>pills.
>

You are. Election years are stressful. You're probably fatigued and can't properly engage. Not even firing shots. I emphasize.


>Ask the German Jews of 1933 who thought the Nazis wouldn't and
>couldn't come for them. Spoiler alert: They got the same thing
>as everybody else.
>
>Think of it this way: "When you vote, you are choosing an
>opponent. Would you rather push a centrist or push a fascist?"
>
>
>Biden will need to be pushed to do the right thing. Most
>politicians do. But he can. Trump cannot. At best, you can try
>to curry favor but that marker is only good until it comes due
>and it always comes due.
>

Im voting for Biden regardless. My biggest concern is avoiding the complacency of the Obama administration. To this day people refuse to be honest about who and what he was. A conservative. Occupy wall street, BLM, mass deportations, all under his administration. Who did he side with?


>
>I'm not asking people to dismiss criticism. There is AMPLE
>reason to be pissed. There is AMPLE reason to be critical. My
>issue isn't with Ice Cube going off the reservation. It's with
>his utter inability to understand the situation. The Trump
>team saw him as another name the blacks know that they could
>use to potentially wedge some black male voters and keep them
>from voting and shift the narrative so people are discussing
>Ice Cube instead of everything else. And he got NOTHING out of
>it. He got a seat at the table in at a dinner party hosted by
>cannibals. Bully for him.
>
>I'm not mad at Ice Cube for wanting to do something for our
>people. I'm mad that he made a major tactical failure driven
>by a lack of political acumen.
>

So in other words, Cube exposed a major weak spot in the democratic party. We shouldnt be afraid of "splitting the black vote" every election. We shouldn't be worried about the 100 million+ non voters every election. This apathy is a byproduct of the complacent politicians that don't know how to connect with the people.

>So, yes, "the system" is fucked. Yes, there is enough blame
>and criticism to go around the earth twice. But to the Black
>folk that think they are not going to suffer more under
>capital-letter White Supremacist autocracy than in a
>lower-case white supremacist democracy, then, I don't know
>what to tell them.
>

I dont tell them nothing except "do your research, and vote down ballot"

>Y'all think the crime bill was bad? Look alive, because what's
>coming down the pipe is going to make the crime bill look like
>the Civil Rights Act and they are working on ensuring there is
>no recourse by which to change it.
>
>People want to lay it at the feet of Ginsburg, Obama, and
>every Democrat they can but fail to ignore that the right has
>been waging an all-out war on this country and the government
>(which has been non-functioning) for most of their adult
>lives. These same people do this from the sidelines pretending
>to be above it all. When really they want to assign blame for
>their unwillingness to participate and as an outlet for their
>own political impotence.
>

Once again, if we all know that republicans are terrible, why dont the democrats match the energy? They play softball with conservatives but will waste time and energy forcing green party candidates off the ballot and sabotaging progressives. They dont have half the aggression for republicans that you have and that should concern you.



*I would like to reiterate i am voting for fuckboy Biden. I dont want none of you crying under my replies. You're arguing with yourself.

i aint sitting through 3 hours of that mess.

like, it has nothing to do w/ his takes, his politics, the weird things he's into that he shines light on, etc.

he's just not entertaining...IMO of course.

like, he's very mid in my book.

People I would have never heard of otherwise discussing topics that were interesting but rarely given mainstream attention.

They had interesting stuff to discuss whether it be health/nutrition/fitness, science, etc and Joe would ask good questions but generally give the person a forum to discuss what they are a nerd about for 2-3 hours. He'd interrupt and put his two cents in pretty often, but typically he'd let the guest cook.

Recently it seems like he's more focused on making sure his opinion is the loudest and a lot of the guests he's giving a microphone to speak to his (huge) audience are just awful people with flat out WRONG points of view (Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Proud Boys dude, etc). He's slowly trying to be more argumentative and anti-left just for the sake or being confrontational. And the far right frat bros have certainly hitched their wagon to him.

I haven't really listened to him in a few years at this point, sans his MMA eps as well as when comedians I like (Burr, Stanhope) go on.

I have less than zero interest in his "clique" of comedians (Ari Shaffer and whatnot).

Are there any people who are actually fans of ROGAN?

He didn't exactly set the comedy/acting world on fire, but he stumbled on to something with his show.

I don't think I've ever listened to an entire episode all the way through, but he has to be doing SOMETHING right

>Are there any people who are actually fans of ROGAN?

i think not only has fans, but REAL fans aka fanatics by every sense of the word.

>He didn't exactly set the comedy/acting world on fire, but he
>stumbled on to something with his show.

i get he has unusual guests, but he's just not engaging IMO which makes me not care about the guest either.

>
>I don't think I've ever listened to an entire episode all the
>way through, but he has to be doing SOMETHING right

i've listened to a couple solely for the guests didn't really care what Joe had to say.

everyone he brings on doesn't know shit about shit


but the audience knows less than they do, so they're impressed.

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Got used to / liked his commentary on UFC events

He was a big proponent of jiujitsu culture and I started listening to him when i started training and subsequently watching UFC more regularly as it became more interesting technique-wise.

SEEMED to have interesting guests and be a proponent of basic bro culture, which to me is harmless provided you temper your consumption

But stopped listening (was a casual listener at best to begin with, maybe a total of 10 episodes or something) and I don't mix MMA with politics anymore because it's clear there are some real assholes in the base / sport. For MMA stuff I watch Jack Slack and MMA World. For politics I read the papers (online).

He uses plain language and, other than the MMA stuff, reminds "regular" white guys of themselves, but in a somewhat aspirational way. He asks alot of questions and doesn't come across like a know-it-all, which people find endearing. Also, he's skeptical of wokeness, which they all are too.

i make a distinction between liking him and liking his show, because i know several stans of him specifically. they'll listen to the show regardless of who's on

normal folks just see who the guest is cause Joe aint really bringing shit himself. he's just a wall to keep the guest bouncing

i get the initial appeal when his podcast really first started getting big (and was disproportionately amplified by youtubes algorithm).

he came off as open minded and had a general grasp of broad history/subjects that allowed him to hold his own in any conversation or at least know which questions to ask.

but its like a record player after watching him for a while. he recycles the same guests and the conversation always eventually devolves into the same few talking points (psychotropics, cancel culture/wokeness, the decline of masculinity, gavin newsom, etc).

the democratization of media platforms has allowed folks who wouldn't have been worthy of an audience in the past to have large, fanatical followings.

and all these mediocre white people who've always felt like their brilliance has been overlooked have finally found their representatives in folks like Trump and Rogan (and countless generic white dudes on YouTube and Twitch).

there's absolutely no substance to Rogan. he's not smart. he's easily drawn into baseless conspiracies and masks it in a mountain of pseudo-science. but he can beat the shit out of you and he communicates with confidence. that's all that matters to most people.

He's good at keeping a conversation going and can ask questions that the average person would ask when talking to a scientist.




He's also a dudebro and a bigot. I think thats his appeal

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And very on brand for you

please tell me.



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The appeal “makes sense” - reeq

You boho dudes kill me. Seek the therapist you clearly need. Go back to the private OKP facebook page and send your dick picks in exchange for pancake titties instead of pretending you are woke. Foh.


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https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1321968839999987712?s=21


Come get your boy

im fucking cackling.

you sheep!!!!

The sandy hoax conspiracy morons and anyone giving Jones a platform is a moron

Read it back, from start to finish.

Tila Tequila had an infamous meltdown over, according to her, being gangstalked, gaslit, etc.

So it was just another reference to that whole AJ/crisis actor/conspiracy culture

seems very on brand for Tila tho lollll

At the time, I was roped into the theater of it, because she was all in on MK Ultra type shit, and losing her mind because she thought she was being gangstalked. She was crying and everything.

Looking back, knowing far more about mental health, how real gaslighting works, who does it, etc, I just hope she got help. Even if it was for show, I can only assume that in itself signals some serious underlying issue.

Bewildered, baffled, befuddled.

Who would have ever thought that Heinz would be a huge fan of Joe Rogan and his entire crew?

My mind is blown.

you can get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for that


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>you can get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for that

Good.

>RE: Van Lathan snapped on Kanye and Rogan for the slavery clean-up.
>Good.

his take on how "slavery was a choice" (Kanye's words, not mine) from when Kanye was on TMZ a couple years ago or whenever that was (i've lost all sense of time thanks to 2020).

>his take on how "slavery was a choice" (Kanye's words, not
>mine) from when Kanye was on TMZ a couple years ago or
>whenever that was (i've lost all sense of time thanks to
>2020).

And will not watch any of this interview for obvious reasons but just wanted to clarify exactly what you meant there. Glad folks aren't gonna let him skate on that bullshit.

LOL at your last parenthetical - same.

Edit: What did Van Lathan say ? I searched but didn't find anything.

In the way that a bad, new comedian bombs a joke and tries to dig out of it with more bad jokes because they don’t know better.

imagine bringing that dude on any platform in 2020. who was asking for that?

i dont know if hes running outta guests or what.

Dog...

That Alex Jones interview last year

was like... crackhead performance art at level 10000000000...

how could you NOT

who interviews alex jones in the year of our lord 2020


like....just think about that

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It's obvious why he wanted him on there again.

he just really likes spreading this shit that much


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i haven't been on okp in years ... you guys don't like alex jones anymore?