>...admittedly it's a difficult thing to define, because it
>can be different for different men. I think the one thing that
>different forms of "traditional masculinity" have in common
>with each other is that they are BENEFICIAL to one's family,
>one's community and one's self.

You said OKP hates traditional masculinity.

So what form of this robust, broad definition does OKP hate?

If it's that difficult to define, how is it so easy to say that a message board full of people hate it? If the hate for "traditional masculinity" is so pervasive, it should be rather esy to pin down the thing everyone hates.

>What's easier to define is what "traditional masculinity" IS
>NOT: The hyper-masculine image of a man prone to violence,
>sexual assault, lack of emotions (sociopaths?),
>hyper-competitiveness, apathy, shiftlessness, consumerism,
>etc.

Well yes, it's easy to look at caricature details and say "it's definitely not this".