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Topic subjectAnd we don’t know if that 70 year old was juicing or not.
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13399439, And we don’t know if that 70 year old was juicing or not.
Posted by allStah, Fri Aug-14-20 01:33 PM
And hopefully you’re not talking about this 70 year old marathoner runner who got caught cheating, and possibly killed himself over it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/05/year-old-marathon-runner-accused-cheating-found-dead-los-angeles-river/%3foutputType=amp

Juicing and cheating is highly prominent in masters running because they don’t test masters runners. So your example or analogy has zero weight.

Secondly, once you become fit as a runner, you plateau. This is fact. Anyone who follows or competes in track and field knows this. It becomes harder and harder to get faster, and this is why WRs are broken by seconds and not huge MINUTES.

Before wearing those shoes Kipchoge had never run faster than 2:03, and he had already been a marathon running for 7 years! It just does not happen. His jump in time usually takes decades as new generations come along. All you have to do is look at the progression of the WR.. Kipchoge jumped from 2:03 to 2:01 and to 1:59 in those shoes.
But can’t replicate it in other shoes.

Btw, the women’s record was just smashed as well, and it was done in the vaporfly. The woman who broke the record had never run faster than 2:18 prior to breaking the record. She broke the record with a time of 2:14 in those shoes!! That is not legit or normal, especially when her previous progression in time was a lot more gradual. So the women’s and Men’s world record were both shattered in that shoe, when no one prior could even come close to doing so in other shoes or versions of Nike’s.

In distance running, progression occurs in seconds after a runner has become elite fit. And in sprinting, it happens in milliseconds. The way that records are falling with those shoes in distance running would be like Usain Bolt running 8 seconds in the 100 meters from his 9.59 WR. It just does not happen.

This is why athletes juice and or take PEDs, because the body has natural limits when it comes to getting stronger and faster. Runners train so hard just to naturally pick up a second in time, but a runner runs in a vaporfly and instantly drops 3 to 4 mins??


Records that have been standing for years are now dropping like flies by runners in the vaporfly. Also, amateur and basic runners have reported running way faster times than they were/are unable to run without the shoe.

The problem with the shoe is not its foam, but the carbon fiber plate, which is a mechanism. And should not be allowed in any shoe because of its spring effect.

I’m not sure if you keep up with swimming, but in swimming there was a similar technology creation that allowed swimmers to swim faster and break all kinds of record. It was called the shark suit. They eventually banned the suit because it provided too much of an unnatural advantage for swimmers. This is what the vaporfly is doing and needs to be banned

Also, the alphAfly shoe that Kipchoge used to run sub 2 hours has been banned, as well as any type of prototype that is not a available for sell. Nike was specifically enhancing these shoes for races

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/amp30721631/nike-vaporfly-ban/

So as a runner, not only do you have to worry about lining up against someone who is juicing, now you have to worry about lining up against a runner who has a mechanical advantage.

In football, baseball, basketball, etc, players are not allowed to wear equipment that might provide an advantage over another athlete. This is why basketball shoes can’t have any kind of spring mechanism in them....

Hopefully running, and more than likely, will be heading down that same road. Banning those Nike Alphaflies was a start..Vaporflies should be next as well as the technology.