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13398297, Chicago what y'all looting for?
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Aug-10-20 01:23 PM
is this part of a protest?

back to school supplies needed?

antifa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgUdZHZiIis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgUdZHZiIis
13398300, link
Posted by Brotha Sun, Mon Aug-10-20 01:44 PM
https://abc7chicago.com/shots-fired-by-chicago-police-officer-in-englewood-cpd/6362844/
13398302, This is what happens when you scream defund the police
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Aug-10-20 01:58 PM
Trump and the cops get a few bad actors to incite riots and looting and now you have a bunch of film to scare white folks in the burbs.

13398309, exactly... meanwhile Trump continues actual looting of america...
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Mon Aug-10-20 02:35 PM
13398304, is it me or does that shit look coordinated?
Posted by Reeq, Mon Aug-10-20 02:04 PM
shit didnt even build to a boiling point. there was barely a protest for a few hours than straight to looting (in an area of the city away from the shooting).

i seen somebody driving an audi through a store window nshit. its like somebody told these kids that there would be no police presence and they could go full gta.
13398310, it’s not just you.
Posted by kinetic94761180, Mon Aug-10-20 02:41 PM
13398315, Yes
Posted by EAS, Mon Aug-10-20 03:00 PM
Definitely coordinated. Just in time to make people regret shouting 'defund the police' and now 45 gets to come in and save the day with his enforcers.
13398329, It was coordinated on Twitter
Posted by Latina212, Mon Aug-10-20 03:42 PM
Has nothing to do with blm or protest
It was over false information that quickly spread about an unarmed kid killed by police. He wasn’t a kid, was armed and is still alive.
Some ppl are reporting uhauls in the area. That had to be planned in advance, I would think.

They are still looting. I just saw a video from a few hrs ago.
13398337, damn thats scary if this whole thing was a disinfo campaign.
Posted by Reeq, Mon Aug-10-20 04:00 PM
13398349, crazy...
Posted by Trinity444, Mon Aug-10-20 04:26 PM
they really not playing lol
13398348, yeah I heard about u-hauls and was like wtf...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Aug-10-20 04:24 PM
>Has nothing to do with blm or protest
>It was over false information that quickly spread about an
>unarmed kid killed by police. He wasn’t a kid, was armed and
>is still alive.
>Some ppl are reporting uhauls in the area. That had to be
>planned in advance, I would think.
>
>They are still looting. I just saw a video from a few hrs
>ago.
13398339, it feels very weird
Posted by Brotha Sun, Mon Aug-10-20 04:04 PM
He was shot late last night and by 7am this morning there's already chaos downtown. Protests have never been coordinated (and escalated) that fast.
13398343, Is this a serious question?
Posted by allStah, Mon Aug-10-20 04:20 PM
TECHNOLOGY
13398346, yeah that's crazy...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Aug-10-20 04:23 PM
>He was shot late last night and by 7am this morning there's
>already chaos downtown. Protests have never been coordinated
>(and escalated) that fast.
13398354, He was shot in the afternoon
Posted by Latina212, Mon Aug-10-20 04:35 PM
By the time I heard about it there were over 100 police on the scene
And that was before 9. I saw someone tweet that they shot a kid and people saying it was a shootout. It kept spreading from there.
13398357, ah my bad.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Mon Aug-10-20 04:59 PM
13398351, Something sort of similar happened in Oakland a little while ago
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Aug-10-20 04:28 PM
Just as the stuff in Portland was coming to a head, Drumf announces he's also going to send going his federal forces to Oakland. Downtown Oakland had been dead for a while at that point; there hadn't been protests in weeks. Then, a few night later, there's a "protest" and "ZOMG they're fire bombing the police station!" It smelled like so much bullshit.
13398355, how did it play out?
Posted by Trinity444, Mon Aug-10-20 04:42 PM
did anyone speak up about it?
13398426, I think this highlights the fact that there r 2 very different Chicagos...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Aug-11-20 09:23 AM
and you have this in every major city but I don't think anywhere else is more pronounced as far as the difference between the have and have-nots. The Gold Coast/Michigan ave folks couldn't care less about the record murder numbers posted daily just 10 minutes away in places like Englewood and Riverdale. It seems like those worlds are colliding right now and the disconnect between the 2 that has went on for so long is in a way "chickens coming home to roost".

I do believe that sinister outside forces have had a major hand in stirring this pot in Chicago and other cities but the environments already existed and festered for so long to get to this point. Was that all part of the plan too?
13398430, When you look at murder rates Chicago isn’t even top 20
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Aug-11-20 09:33 AM
Yeah.. it definitely has its problems but it’s a big ass city with 3 million people.

People in Ohio screaming about Chicago while they actually live in less safe smaller cities like Akron or Youngstown.
13398458, bro its wild! i tell people in chicago this all the time
Posted by Brotha Sun, Tue Aug-11-20 10:57 AM
St Louis, Memphis, Rockford IL, Milwaukee got higher crime rates, but chicago has the worst reputation.


its easier to cut education budgets and gentrify when the rest of the world thinks the citizens are violent subhumans.
13398466, Right - "But Chicago" is a reactionary red herring
Posted by Walleye, Tue Aug-11-20 11:09 AM
I thought it was interesting that Truth mentioned Riverdale, which is indeed a really fucked up neighborhood but which is also so far south that it's barely in the city and therefore doesn't get as much attention as, say, Englewood when this issue is brought up. It's a good example, but an uncommon one.

It seems relevant for this discussion, though, because Riverdale the neighborhood is basically adjacent to Riverdale the city, where this article (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/) specifically names a gun shop that has heavily contributed to the total guns recovered by Chicago PD. It says that 60% of those guns come from out of state, and 20% of out of state guns come from Indiana - which you can get to in about fifteen minutes from Riverdale.

The neighborhood works as a nice proxy for the complexity of the issue here - where Chicago's city governance (including law enforcement) could make any number of completely correct decisions about how to manage gun violence and still get absolutely set up by a far more general American unwillingness to divest from the only necessary material ingredient for gun violence: guns.
13398460, we learned in The Wire how you can "juke the stats" and the reason why...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Aug-11-20 11:00 AM
St Louis & Baltimore are always at or near the top of "murder capital" lists is because those are the only 2 major cities that are their own "counties" and not part of a larger county so their stats are usually not linked to the larger more affluent metropolitan suburbs.

Spike Lee didn't make a movie called "Chi-Raq" for no reason.
13398445, "The social contract is broken" - Kimberly Jones
Posted by Damali, Tue Aug-11-20 10:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkedkvNn5V0

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13398452, That was very sharp
Posted by Walleye, Tue Aug-11-20 10:36 AM
Combining a clear moral perspective with material historical realities like that is very difficult for a lot of people. Like, difficult for their brains. Doing that was clearly difficult for her because of her conscience and love, but not because it was complex.

I have to teach a 20th century American History class this term, and the way she arranged those perspectives so that social unrest and violence can get some air as an "is" and not simply as an "ought" or "ought not" is an objective that I hope that these students can tackle with this level of heart - even if it won't (at first) be with that much skill.
13398479, and she didn't stutter or stumble once. mindblowing
Posted by Damali, Tue Aug-11-20 12:14 PM
>Combining a clear moral perspective with material historical
>realities like that is very difficult for a lot of people.
>Like, difficult for their brains. Doing that was clearly
>difficult for her because of her conscience and love, but not
>because it was complex.

exactly...very well put.

>I have to teach a 20th century American History class this
>term, and the way she arranged those perspectives so that
>social unrest and violence can get some air as an "is" and not
>simply as an "ought" or "ought not" is an objective that I
>hope that these students can tackle with this level of heart -
>even if it won't (at first) be with that much skill.

you've nailed it...that is skill that is so completely foreign to how most of us communicate, period. Good luck with that..i wish i could take your class.

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13398455, That's powerful...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Aug-11-20 10:51 AM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkedkvNn5V0

13398569, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by kinetic94761180, Tue Aug-11-20 02:59 PM
13398650, Saw this after it came out. Insanely well said.
Posted by Brew, Tue Aug-11-20 03:55 PM
All things I (and I know most everyone here) has tried to say and definitely thinks but not anywhere near so eloquently or persuasively. Such good content to use in conversations with ignorant people around the subject of race and american racism.