She JUST got famous and now she's doing the stereotypical rapper thing damn:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/15/megan-thee-stallion-shot-twice-foot-tory-lanez-arrest-glass-injury/

Of this story. But I wish her the best

Maybe she didn't want whoever did it to get arrested for whatever reason and maybe something fell apart there but that's quite the shift to go from broken glass to multiple gunshot wounds.

now he's got a felony?

I REALLY be trying not to care...then I get bored and I click and now I wish I didn't know.

LMAO

>She JUST got famous and now she's doing the stereotypical
>rapper thing damn:

And if you don't:

https://theboombox.com/25-rappers-who-have-been-shot-2017/

https://www.xxlmag.com/rappers-shot-in-the-spotlight/

And yes I am already aware that you will try to counter this with Beethoven-era musicians who were poisoned to death or something equally as weird lol.

Looking forward to whatever weird list you come up with.

and so many rappers have never been shot

being annoying on purpose so you can try go go back and forth with someone so you can feel alive inside.

Not doing this with you.

I know you will respond with "k" or "i holla" or some other attempt at sounding above it all when really you are just sad you didn't get to argue with someone on a messageboard you obviously hate and shouldn't be engaging in.

(Bonus points if you respond with "pot calling the kettle black" or some other dumb shit)

does meg have control over whether someone wants to shoot her?

As a woman, does getting shot even add to her brand as a rapper?

I definitely dont need okayplayer GD to feel alive inside

there's nothing stereotypical about Megan being shot. no one knows how this incident happened, anyone could have been shot if there was a gathering and shit spun out of control

stereotypical rapper things are like going broke because you got new money and were irresponsible, or fucking a lot of women because you're famous now

you have a different (weird?) way of thinking about things (J Cole attacked Noname), being challenged doesnt mean someone is looking to start shit

i just came here to say i saw a vid or post of Megan lately without makeup and damn she is fine without all the extra...She's cute to me with makeup but looks like the average overmade up IG girls. Without makeup though she was Stunningly, head turning, stop in your tracks beautiful to me.

March:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/megan-thee-stallion-fights-her-record-label-and-hip-hop-ceo-j-prince

July:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/15/megan-thee-stallion-shot-twice-foot-tory-lanez-arrest-glass-injury/

at Kylie Jenner's pool party? Also...how bizarre that the owner of her record company is freaking Carl Crawford, former MLB player?

oh, it ain’t over.. it’s not over.

to mess with that.

...because of losing that case they might think they are "owed" some of that Meg money. Since Houston can't go at NYC directly, they are taking the "If I can't make money off her, you won't either" approach. Poor young lady is stuck in the middle of this bullshit.

Bey's appearance as a concession?

n/m

My wife says they were sending her message by shooting her in the foot.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I mean I get the need to go out and have fun, but shit is so selfish and entitled.

and was thinking "wow what kind of asshole judges someone for....*weabay.gif*"

i hate this shit lol

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/16/tory-lanez-shooting-megan-thee-stallion-bullets-video-police/

is really fucking up their bag partying with the jennerdashians while once again the jennerdashians move on scot-free


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Them Jenner's fault?

Ionno.. lol

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziuLxhVht94

Was thinking he was shooting back in defense.

If he shot her, then they straight set her up for that.

...of the shooting out here in the US.

https://twitter.com/africaneliv2/status/1283907424894758914?s=21

Man.....lmao

gonna be hard to look cute with a dead foot dragging behind you.

Twitter Now: Please Mr. Prince go and find the suspects in THIS and recent cases in the Houston area

it may be that there's a lot of different people on twitter saying different things

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

People old enough to remember are reluctant to even really talk about him

Not blaming the youngsters for this either. It’s an era thing

I don't know who exactly did what but I know she didn't shoot herself.

its really looking like Tory dumbass shot her

https://twitter.com/demiciavalon/status/1287829113546440709?s=21

This nigga shot her ion both feet, wtf!!!

...on some Heisenberg shit now. Got hitters in prison just waiting for the word.

https://twitter.com/yoyotrav/status/1296626815440760833

and the only reason i say claim, is cause if she was walking away she wouldnt know if it was his security or him that did it. somebody on his side shot her tho

America is so fucked up you can get shot twice and still be more afraid of officers than the dude who shot you.

These R&B niggas man.. worse than the rappers.

>
>These R&B niggas man.. worse than the rappers.
>
>

There is a fine line these days

I know nothing about him.

Shit.. I retract that statement. He’s Canadian too?

His most well-known songs are R&B but there's also this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgYc7LbcKU

and this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tipfVjCASJg

Two joints from his mixtape days that I used to test the system with.

and talking about snitching? wtf?


she definitely should've told the cops in the moment, but I can understand why didn't. she should also stay off sm, trying to get her side of the story out.

both sides being quiet about it.

megan admitted she already to the police to protect him, you could say she's lying now because people are doubting her.

and it just being bizarre as hell that a poppin rapper that's having his moment, was secretly dating the hottest female rapper out rn, and hauled off and shot her.

i can see why folks may not buy it. i buy it but i could see where there's doubt.

at the end of the day, its was a relationship outside of all the pomp and circumstance of their careers.

it's easier for me to believe that she protecting him. a lot of women do that, even to their detriment. she didn't want him to get shot when the cops came.

at some point, she'll have to let the legal shit happen though. and not be worried about snitching or whatever.

Cuz trust if he had not shot her at all, he and everyone else would have been SCREAMING from the rooftops that it isn't true.

where is that at?

d

there is no other why.

there is no other reason why she wouldn't be believed.

Like Bun B said "put your hands on Lady Gaga or Alyssa Milano and see what happens"

Bun talked about how Megan has lost EVERYONE in her life in the last few years that loved her unconditionally..her mom, her father and her grandmother are all gone

so y'all motherfuckers BETTER hold her up...BETTER believe this woman who is courageous enough to speak out about that fucking Bitch Ass Tory Lanez

the fuck?!?!?! you really think we out here putting our lives on the line, in public over a lie? (not you, but the collective "you")

there is NOTHING for her to gain from speaking his name in a untruth.

But every single person questioning or doubting her shows what we Black women ALWAYS...FUCKING ALWAYS have to lose for speaking the truth.

d

like, the dude is one of them types to conceal carry with ZERO training in safety measures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NInDecoqSAY

“... Nobody’s talking about because it’s a Black woman. We love Megan; we brag about Megan, nobody wanna talk about it when she gets shot,” he added. “We got memes; we got jokes. Fu*k that.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6J52ltH-jY

if guilty he faces a maximum 22+ years

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I just don't see the state going to trial unless they feel great about their case.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Iono if he's finna have to serve actual jail time, but he's def getting convicted.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmFMQ7MDQka/?igshid=YTY2NzY3YTc=

This doesn't bode well for the prosecution. Namely vibes and the prosecution didn't address the defenses theory in their opening.

It sounds like the defense plan is to drown folks with gossip and doubt to create reasonable doubt. Doesn't sound like a terrible strategy.

I advise everyone to watch the King Richard EPisode of the Netflix Series Trial By Media just to remind them how impactful a good defense team can be.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80198329?source=35


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

maybe what dude is posting is sound analysis...but i have no idea why everyone chose *him* to post everywhere (ive seen him all over social media today).

theres gotta be somebody credible with experience as a criminal prosecutor/defender/judge/etc right?

according to many sources (who have direct ties to the parties involved) what that lawyer was saying is true.

meg and her friend were fighting over Tory cuz both were smashing Tory (which is why they aren't friends anymore) and because Meg was smashing her friends dudes and meg's friend shot her (also why they aren't friends anymore, obviously). friend has GSR on her hands, Tory had none; gun in the front of the car where friend was, etc.

look, i have no idea what'll happen, but if Tory "gets off" i won't be surprised.

a lot of people speculated that's why Meg been going so hard about this on social media at points throughout the last year. some of that stuff was starting to come out, and the public opinion was starting to flip on Meg about maybe she's lying (especially if that GSR evidence is true) so she was trying to get loud about it in order to try to keep the scales of public opinion in her favor.

now, all that being said, the reason why i dunno what'll happen even if all that is true is what would be Meg's motivationt to lie on Tory vs. not just being like "my EX-friend is the one who shot me."

serious question...have you paid any attention to the actual case/trial and not past gossip blog reporting from 'sources who have direct ties to the parties involved)?


>friend has GSR on her hands, Tory had none;

this has been proven false. both tory and megs friend tested poz for gsr.
https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602358156926930944

>a lot of people speculated that's why Meg been going so hard
>about this on social media at points throughout the last year.
>some of that stuff was starting to come out, and the public
>opinion was starting to flip on Meg about maybe she's lying
>(especially if that GSR evidence is true) so she was trying to
>get loud about it in order to try to keep the scales of public
>opinion in her favor.

'a lot of people speculated'...i already showed you why its unwise to go off speculation right? some pretty major details can shift when the actual facts come out.


>now, all that being said, the reason why i dunno what'll
>happen even if all that is true is what would be Meg's
>motivationt to lie on Tory vs. not just being like "my
>EX-friend is the one who shot me."

ok so you most likely *havent* been paying attention to the actual trial at all.

why would meg say her friend shot her? megs friend is a witness for the *prosecution* that is testifying that tory was the one that shot meg. thats 2 witnesses at the scene (who no longer get along) that both claim tory was the one firing the gun.

https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602395914953719808

megs friend sent text messages to a megs bodyguard five minutes after the shooting literally saying tory shot meg.

https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602415524092252168

and prosecutors are presenting evidence that tory contacted *three* different people apologizing for his actions (including a phone call apologizing to megs friend directly from jail after the shooting).

https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1602410729583349785


things looking a *lil* different when you focus on what takes place during the actual court proceeding (the only place that counts) instead of speculation and sources huh?

>>friend has GSR on her hands, Tory had none;
>
>this has been proven false. both tory and megs friend tested
>poz for gsr.
>https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602358156926930944

1) Why would Meg's friend have GSR on her hands? Who was she shooting at? Tory? Doesn't make sense. What DOES make sense...Tory slid her the burner to pop Meg, then got it back from her afterward. And because it was Tory's gun...easy to point the finger at him.

>why would meg say her friend shot her? megs friend is a
>witness for the *prosecution* that is testifying that tory was
>the one that shot meg. thats 2 witnesses at the scene (who no
>longer get along) that both claim tory was the one firing the
>gun.

1) Meg and her friend supposedly came to blows over this situation. So her shooting Meg in the foot isn't unreasonable given how foul Meg was allegedly moving (there's other stuff out there that Meg was doing this with multiple celeb dudes her friend was getting to know).

2) If Meg's friend did shoot Meg, her testifying against Tory makes 1000% sense. She gets to stay out of jail, she used HIS gun to do it, celeb dude might have enough money to get off without much if any jailtime and regardless of what Meg did, her and old girl got history (you know Meg paid for SOMETHING she needed at some point so, retribution).

3) Her + Meg vs Tory = he loses in court.

4) Meg goes along to keep her public image clean.


>https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602395914953719808
>
>megs friend sent text messages to a megs bodyguard five
>minutes after the shooting literally saying tory shot meg.

Called covering your tracks. Easy.

>https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602415524092252168
>
>and prosecutors are presenting evidence that tory contacted
>*three* different people apologizing for his actions
>(including a phone call apologizing to megs friend directly
>from jail after the shooting).
>
>https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1602410729583349785

https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1602438192015310850?t=z4Q8Pxi2Sg9lprwuTl-Cfw&s=19

Who said he was apologizing for the shooting? He's apologizing to Meg's friend, no Meg. He could be apologizing to her for smashing Meg AFTER he had already started a thing with the friend. If that is indeed what caused all of this to jump off in the first place.

>things looking a *lil* different when you focus on what takes
>place during the actual court proceeding (the only place that
>counts) instead of speculation and sources huh?

Courts are designed for each side to present their case but nothing presented has pointed a definitive look at either side. The damning thing for Tory is that Meg's friend could be lying on him to save her own behind.

its funny how people say stuff like 'i aint here to say whats true or not', 'i dont have a dog in this fight/race', 'i dont care either way'...then go on to spit a bunch of subjective/speculative framing based on an already existing bias.


>1) Why would Meg's friend have GSR on her hands? Who was she
>shooting at? Tory? Doesn't make sense. What DOES make
>sense...Tory slid her the burner to pop Meg, then got it back
>from her afterward. And because it was Tory's gun...easy to
>point the finger at him.

gsr can get on multiple people (including someone who didnt pull the trigger) in close quarters in a variety of ways.

the prosecution already touched upon the scenario that they believe accounts for this. im not gonna spend any time going to flag down the information and post it here for you.

im gonna put the onus on you to go do some brief/light research on the subject youve chosen to discuss and formulate an opinion on. i suggest you go do that before commenting.

and its unnecessary for me to respond to anything else you posted since its mostly just wishcasting your arbitrary/subjective impression of how/why things played out or will play out. a lot of coulda/woulda going on in there.

i mean...youre making claims/arguments to defend tory that the defense hasnt even made lol.

kinda peculiar for someone who 'aint here to say whats true or not'...dont you think?

how about we just sit back and slow down a bit and stick to the hard *facts* as they come out during trial?

deal?

regardless of whether her friend pulled it or not.

so...i think that's the key piece here.

the whole thing is weird if you ask me.

the speculation i laid out actually makes the most sense, but life is weird and strange shit happens.

who knows.

did you miss it?

that's literally the first time i've seen that reported so i don't know if that's true.

read 3 articles about the case and NONE mentioned that, which you'd think they would as that's a damning piece of evidence that's already out as fact (if true) so no reason to NOT put it in there.

i'm not saying it's NOT true. i don't know because up until that tweet i've only seen it reported that he did NOT test for any GSR.

>its funny how people say stuff like 'i aint here to say whats
>true or not', 'i dont have a dog in this fight/race', 'i dont
>care either way'...then go on to spit a bunch of
>subjective/speculative framing based on an already existing
>bias.

I addressed the question you asked, which was:

"why would meg say her friend shot her? megs friend is a witness for the *prosecution* that is testifying that tory was the one that shot meg. thats 2 witnesses at the scene (who no longer get along) that both claim tory was the one firing the gun."

With the point being that what you deemed as 'facts' don't point to Tory being guilty or Meg not lying. It points to a 'numbers' game. If enough people say you did something, without conflicting evidence/ballistics, in a court of law...you did it. If Meg says homegirl shot her, then motive comes in to play and all the messy stuff comes out. If home girl says she shot Meg, she gets the charge. If they both say Tory did it, Meg keeps her cover, Megs friend stays out of prison and the dude that scorned them both (by sleeping with Meg - friend, and flirting with Kylie - Meg) gets punished.

There was alcohol and high emotions involved. I put nothing past any of them.

>gsr can get on multiple people (including someone who didnt
>pull the trigger) in close quarters in a variety of ways.
>
>the prosecution already touched upon the scenario that they
>believe accounts for this. im not gonna spend any time going
>to flag down the information and post it here for you.
>
>im gonna put the onus on you to go do some brief/light
>research on the subject youve chosen to discuss and formulate
>an opinion on. i suggest you go do that before commenting.

The prosecution has their scenario and the defense has theirs:

"Test results show that both Harris and Lanez tested positive for gun residue. Although gun shot residue particles travel quickly, it shows that both were in the same vicinity."

^^^(what I found on the results) From this statement alone, there's no way to tell who pulled the trigger.


>and its unnecessary for me to respond to anything else you
>posted since its mostly just wishcasting your
>arbitrary/subjective impression of how/why things played out
>or will play out. a lot of coulda/woulda going on in there.

Wishcasting? Bruh, please. As I said, I don't know what's true. Personally, I don't put it past Tory to be a piece of sh*t and shoot a woman or Meg and her friend to be toxic AF and collude against a dude had the audacity to screw two best friends behind their backs.

We are talking legal arguments, legal arguments point to a lot reasonable doubt given the evidence and both sides' perspective on what happened. Meg and her Friend say Tory. Tory says Meg's friend. And Tory's bodyguard? TBD - if he even testifies (admittedly, I haven't looked at a witness list). The advantage is the 2 on 1 perspective as it stands.

>i mean...youre making claims/arguments to defend tory that the
>defense hasnt even made lol.

Um, and what was that? From what I've seen, the defense has said:
-Tory claims Meg's friend pulled the trigger (and that's the reason she had gsr on her)
-Meg and said friend were fighting
-Tory was smashing both which caused the issue.
-Tory was apologizing to them for smashing both behind the other's back.

What did I say that the defense didn't?

>kinda peculiar for someone who 'aint here to say whats true or
>not'...dont you think?

Defensive much?

>how about we just sit back and slow down a bit and stick to
>the hard *facts* as they come out during trial?
>
>deal?

Only hard facts in this case:
-Meg was shot
-There was an argument in the truck
-There were 4 people present
-Meg lied to the police about (1) Getting shot, (2) Sleeping with Tory and then when ballistics came out admitted to getting shot and blamed Tory.
-Meg claims Tory shot her, the friend will supposedly attest to the same (but as it turns out DID NOT attest to it and literally said, she lied to protect herself on the stand yesterday)

https://abc7.com/megan-thee-stallion-kelsey-harris-testimony-los-angeles-hollywood-hills-shooting-tory-lanez/12572147/

-Meg's friend texted Meg's security shortly after the shooting
-Tory apologized (he says it was for smashing both)
-Tory claims Meg and her friend were fighting and Meg's friend shot her
-GSR was on both Tory and the friend (Kelsey)

Now, given any of this, you're telling you KNOW what happened beyond a reasonable doubt? Nah, you don't and this ain't an open and shut case. As always, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

came off like he was accusing you of having false facts..


when it was obvious you admit you have no idea what is true or not.

So some details could be fuzzy. What I THINK happened?

After reading testimony from all 3 in this article:

https://www.complex.com/music/megan-thee-stallion-tory-lanez-shooting-trial/trial-day-3

I think, Tory, Meg and Kelsey ended up at Kylie's party. Tory, seeing that two women he was sleeping with behind their backs were both there, made flirting with Kylie his agenda (DJ Akademics said he got some intel from Kylie's assistant on the flirting...do with that what you will). This pissed off Meg who was drunk AF. So she caused a scene, Kylie kicked all 3 out.

They rode out together, it all came out that Tory was smashing them both and it turned into a 3 way fight. Tory getting bashed for smashing both and flirting with Kylie, Meg getting bashed by Kelsey for sleeping with dude behind her back while knowing he and Kelsey were fooling around and Kelsey was probably being yelled at out of defense by both Meg and Tory.

Meg trashed his music and career, he trashed hers and her career. Kelsey probably said something foul about Tory's sex game and he probably threatened to shoot her. Meg, tired of the situation gets out of the car after maybe one last jab at Tory. He and Kelsey stick their heads out the window, Tory (pissed about the jab) yell's "dance b*tch" intending to shoot at the ground to scare her but accidentally hit the back of her feet. Meg probably didn't see who shot her but probably knew Tory had a gun and put 1 and 1 together.

Kelsey got GSR on her because she was out the window of the car like Tory when he popped off. Cops come, they all lie. Then we get where we are. And I think they are all still lying to an extent.

*shrug*

Sure.

It's not about the legal analsys, it's about the impression the lawyers are making to the jury and the crowd. If this guy went into it impartial, which is a huge assumption because I don't know anything about him, then his impressions of opening statements would be meaningful.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i'm sure he's gonna be heavy on the salacious details and light on actual legal analysis.

i was speaking mostly to being cautious of drawing conclusions like that based on the commentary of a random lawyer on instagram that *nobody* knew anything about before yesterday.

especially one where theres no record of him even working criminal trials.

even you admit that you have no idea if he is unbiased or not. that right there should prolly be the cue to not draw any conclusive judgment based on his postings right?

itd be one thing if he was just recounting the events that took place in court. but he added a lil extra spice to it lol (and it worked obviously since people have been circulating his more juicy quotes like the ones about who meg allegedly slept with).

You don't have to work criminal trials to have an impression of effectiveness of an argument. The audience isn't supreme court justices. It's every day jurors.


And by the way. His resume is legit.

https://www.lawyerforworkers.com/mohammed-gangat

John Jay, Georgetown Law, Dewey LeBoeuf.

He is on that turd Akademiks show which suggests he is free tory leaning but he doesn't seem to be adding a whole lot of commentary.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>theres gotta be somebody credible with experience as a criminal prosecutor/defender/judge/etc right?

which is why you're seeing this guy's 'report' everywhere

just a verified profile with a criminal law background and a credible record of them actually knowing what they are talking about lol.

like the different lawyers/reporters/etc who have provided ongoing commentary on the ysl case in georgia.

this case is arguably more high profile than that case...as its been the subject of nonstop content and debate for the past 2+ years (meg even did a big sitdown with gayle king).

Either way, we agree on the merits of the employment lawyer

lol c'mon.

is this the power of twitter?

Torey was smashing both
Meg was smashing ole girls man

how yall know all this info?

Reeq posting like he has dash cam evidence.. lol

>Reeq posting like he has dash cam evidence.. lol

post any comment ive made where ive done this.

i literally just posted accounts recounting objective static details about what was said/declared in court (the only information that truly matters in real life).

i didnt even make any personal determination on the information presented or what i think about how it bodes for either side of the case.

ive repeatedly suggested that people just stick to what happens during the actual trial and hold off on drawing any conclusions based on your own personal assumptions.

(even provided examples where a previous assumption was already shot down during the case)

but other people have typed out whole paragraphs about what they *believe* happened based on things theyve read in places outside of the courtroom.

weird to accuse me of what *theyve* done when i did the exact opposite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu2peaPwb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT2WZibe4os

Kelsey pleads the 5th.
It's Starting to look like she shoot Meg
The entire thing didn't make sense from the beginning

That's why the defense brought up who was sleeping with who, etc
But Who knows, I'm not a lawyer.
Don't cancel me

I still can't believe she was fucking that lame Tory Lanez.

I guess there's hope for us all....

and dude said TL was one of the most talented people..

and my wife walked by and said “who is Torey Lane?”

I barely know that nigga either.

We old.. lol

I can honestly say I've never hear him sing. He's a singer, right?

Gotdamn, I'm old.

lol

does all those things VERY well.

the one with the old school brownstone sample.

and he just sounded like every other dude using autotune.

whats like the hottest shit you would link of his that displayed his talent?

that was my favorite album of 2021, period.

it came out on Dec. 10th and by Dec. 31st I probably listened to that shit 50x front to back.

i also love 80s music, so i'm sure that plays a part in why i like it so much, but i put multiple people who NEVER listened to Tory before onto that album, and it's one of their favorite projects too, so.

Even my wife was on some "nah fuck Tory i'm riding with Meg" and refused to listen to Alone At Prom...til i made her sit through on a long car ride. she's like "yeah, that album good AF."

that being said, if you're not much into "new R&B" it might be tough to get into any of Tory's stuff. his album "Sorry 4 What" from this year only had 1 skip on it for me. on that he's singing and rapping.

his more hardcore fans (i'm not one) love his PLAYBOY album from 2021...it's too "toxic R&B" for me.

I'ma peep it.

Production is very weekend reminiscent. I been into deep ranges lately (shit I can actually sing along with)

He ain't 'bad' tho. Just ain't for me. I can see what others would like about him. No shade at all, just ain't my ministry.

i agree, the project does have Weeknd vibes far as production goes.

i mean, ain't no thing. music is subjective. sometimes it's gonna hit for you, sometimes it ain't.

that's why i even said i like some of his stuff, but then he got whole projects i don't like (which is the same for me with many artists).

or did she get her deal and still plead the 5th on some questions?

I aint watch the whole insta reporter and any article i've read sucked

https://abc7.com/megan-thee-stallion-kelsey-harris-testimony-los-angeles-hollywood-hills-shooting-tory-lanez/12572147/

Admitted she lied at the police station to protect herself.

Then this:

"When asked by prosecutors if Lanez shot her, she issued her Fifth Amendment right."

"Megan's former assistant and best friend Kelsey Harris took the stand Wednesday and was granted immunity."

So her testimony couldn't get her in trouble. Not sure what she'd need it for if she didn't do anything wrong but it's apparent the prosecution thought that immunity deal would allow her to spill the beans and she Iverson crossovered their strategy.

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/610709-kelsey-harris-granted-immunity-in-tory-lanez-trial

During her testimony, she initially asserted her 5th Amendment right until immunity was granted. This was done despite the District Attorney claiming they had no plans of prosecuting her.

now that there's no risk of her being prosecuted.

questions, despite the immunity being granted. This shit is all over the place lol

this shit is way too dramatic.

Which is, everyone was super drunk, there was an argument and Tory discharged the gun not meaning to actually shoot Meg, but bullet fragments somehow still ended up in her foot.

I think the problem I am hearing so far, and I've heard very little and not from a lot of different sources, is that the defenses description of events sounds closer to the truth than the prosecution's leading up tot he shooting. Meaning the prosecution would have you think they were sitting in a car, Meg insulted Tory's music, and he grabs a gun and starts shooting at her yelling dqance bitch. Meanwhile, the defense is painting a whole story of affairs, fighting at party, basically painting a fuller picture with all the drama.

It seems like it might be a question of will the jury believe the person who seems to be misleading about everything that happened up to the moment of the shooting, but tells the truth about the shooting or will they believe the person who tells the truth about everything that happened up to the shooting, but lies about the shooting?


IDK. There is a big mystery around the question of if Kelsey didn't shoot, why plead the 5th? I don't think she did, and I think the defense is probably still toast if that is there defense, but there is a whole in the story that should be filled.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i think kelsey pleaded the 5th and then got immunity bc her testimony was going to contradict previous statements.

your description of him not actually trying to shoot her is what i imagined with bullet fragments at the back of her foot. I just don't see why Megan would lie and keep this lie going of it he wasn't the shooter. If he didn't shoot, who did. Thats what i need to hear if i'm the jury. all that other shit is irrelevant without the defense having an answer to those questions

including people accusing her of being the real shooter (which i dont believe at the moment but i dont blame anyone for putting it on her).

basically shes either pleading the 5th on anything important or saying she doesnt remember much from the night...including messages she sent and statements she gave to police after the shooting. she said postpartum depression and the death of someone close to her made her forget the details.

she said she doesnt remember seeing tory holding the gun or seeing him shooting at meg. or even seeing gunshots. she just heard them.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237374472749058

she said she doesnt know why she sent a text to the bodyguard 5 minutes after the shooting saying 'tory shot meg'.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237382257463296

she even said she doesnt remember meg even being hurt or bleeding.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603239491895894019

she said she met up with tory in a hotel after the shooting...and tory apologized. but she didnt know what he was apologizing for.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603239490138435589

she said tory tried to bribe her (and not only her) with $1 million. but she wasnt sure of why and he didnt specifically mention a shooting.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237367774470145
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237369083068416
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237370328862722

and maybe the strangest exchange...she affirmed that tory offered to pay for her lawyer...but she said she doesnt remember if he actually went through with it or not.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603195413015580672


im not even sure why she needed an immunity deal if she wasnt even going to testify to any of the important details surrounding the actual shooting.

ive seen people say she wanted immunity from perjury/contempt/etc in contradicting her previous statements to the police. but...as the prosecutors reminded her...she can still be prosecuted for lying under oath.
https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603237380361576448


im obviously not a legal mind...but how does this not create reasonable doubt among any jurors? especially if there is indeed evidence that there was gun powder on *two* people. how does the prosecution pin it just on tory?

this shit is a mess.

these people clearly all deserve each other and all the consequences that are associated with that lol.

im officially off the boat and done caring about what happens to any of these people lol.

in relation to megans friends changed testimony.

he stated it in an exclusive interview with *theshaderoom* (lol)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmMiZFWOI88/

the personal attorney (not to be confused with the prosecutors) is alex spiro. hes pretty high powered and well respected. i believe hes representing elon musk in some of his much publicized business affairs right now.

i dont know if any of this actually matters in the grand scheme of things or if it can even be proven. but he put it out there.

theshaderoom is an odd choice tho. but maybe they were the just the 1st ones to ask. or this is just where journalism is in 2022.

they messy af.

would def check to see if she has an account overseas because someone sounds like they been bribed

he offered her money. And her testimony is a bunch of i don't remember after she already gave statements. Those are wins for the prosecution.

i mean...i know we arent dealing with mensa members here.

but youd figure her and her lawyer would be a lil more strategic with it...especially if she already has immunity.

just muddle up a detail here or there and create doubt on something the prosecution would most likely need for a conviction maybe?

give some answers that are at least *slightly* believable maybe?

why even admit to tory bringing up bribes in 2 different instances if you denied or deflected about everything else...even whether the bribes actually came to fruition? why confirm *those* convos and arouse the suspicion?

this shit is so stupid.

is it really a win for the prosecution if all shes done is prove that shes an unreliable witness? i mean...she was *their* witness lol. and they indicated in their opening statement that she would testify to seeing tory shoot megan (which she clearly didnt do).

cuz, if i'm a juror? oh, there's doubt.

not only doubt, but a SHIT TON of confusion in general.

i think Kelsey shot Meg, but i've thought that from almost the beginning and haven't seen a lot to convince me otherwise.

their ain't no smoking gun to lock any party down though.

also, the question i wanna know is where is the security guy that was with them? apparently dude disappeared. wherever he is, he could confirm/contradict someone's story.

i mean i have seen no evidence that makes me suspect the friend so if you are already thinking that, sure today did not help at all.

I still don't know what the defense is here. did they point the finger at kelsy in opening statements?

a key witness for the prosecution pump faking, the revelation just a week ago that one of the detectives and key witness for the defense got hit with domestic violence charges and was kicked off the force, the fourth central figure in the suv going missing, etc.

and just the fact that all 3 of the remaining central figures have already admitted or have been exposed as lying and making contradictory statements at some point in this case (even meg).

you got meg/tory selling music based on this shit, doing interviews, leaking private case details to niggas like dj akademiks, etc.

im surprised the judge doesnt just stand up and yell out 'fuck all of yall' lol.

>im surprised the judge doesnt just stand up and yell out 'fuck
>all of yall' lol.

If the bribe actually happened - it could be as simple as you don't got to lie, just don't get on the stand say you saw me do it. That's it.

I'm not implying she's trying to get Tory off, she's just trying not to incriminate him in the shooting. Not saying this is what happened, but the only thing that makes any sense.


Why did she admit to the bribe attempts? Hell if i know, but again i'm not saying this was an attempt to make tory look innocent of the crime, she might just be getting a check for saying that she didn't see him shoot (which is direct contrast to previous statements)

The fact that she changed her story doesn't help the prosecution, but they got her prior statements in (W for prosecution) and established a reason why she'd lie now (bribery). May not be what the prosecution was expecting or counting on but her statements did more damage to torey than prosecution imo

they don't know the answer to in advance. They seem as shocked as everyone else as to some of these answers.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i'm assuming they are treating her as hostile and trying to get whatever they can out of her.

Like Hangover drunk where I am working hard to put the events of the night back together and have to asked all sorts of different people exactly what happened.

All that to say, I can understand saying one thing the night of, and then have a totally different or no recollection of what happened days later.

The only person who I think really knows what up is the security guard who I assuming was sober. Why isn't he talking?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

or one side don't want him to be found so he's being paid to be ghost.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but I know people have different tolerance levels. I had friends in college on some “I did what last night?”

but half the time I thought they were just bullshitting due to embarrassment.

I would not be surprised if they were doing more than drinking.

Always felt like if you can’t remember what you do you need to have a limit because “I don’t remember” isn’t an acceptable excuse.

in all seriousness, i don't have those 'i don't remember' moments often anymore but if you don't do dumb shit and you are in a safe space/around people that love and look out for you, shit is fun as hell lmao.

so I had a shit ton of drunk night but I was usually the one saving people from dying or getting locked up.

Just wild how we could all have the same amount of drinks and one person in the crew is trying to tap dance on a cop car and shit..

and the next day be like “I did what?”

had to start video taping niggas to let them know how wild they were.

ive gone from being called a simp to being accused of hating black women in like 24 hours.

this is what i get for even wading into this dumb ass shit.

i accept full accountability for allowing myself to give a fuck about anything having to do with any of these idiots.

i wont make the same mistake in the future lol.

I can say the trial is going terrible for the prosecution (for example) and that has nothing to do with whether I think he is guilty or innocent.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

RE: People have a hard time separating a trial from a crime.

i reserve opinion til i can watch that

You know it's coming.

where kelsey mentions tory dragging her out of the car by her hair.
https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1603495131918712832

were these niggas in a round robin fighting tournament that night? tory fighting meg. meg fighting kelsey. kelsey fighting tory.

wtf was going on in that suv?

And if she tells the truth now she will be jammed up.

The defense strategy is to flood the box with shZ*t and confuse people and I think the defense is helping so far.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

the texts that she sent to meg and to the bodyguard in the immediate aftermath of the incident that she/meg were involved in are wholly consistent and in line with what she told police.

and those things are consistent with what she told prosecutors when she met with them later (and also what meg has said) which is why the prosecution called her as their witness in the 1st place.

the stuff she is saying *now* isnt even a coherent narrative. its just a bunch of denials and idks about things shes on record saying earlier.

https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon

Defense called their DNA expert out of order. He agreed with LAPD that DNA on gun inconclusive as to Tory but said would have expected conclusive for someone who fired 5x

https://twitter.com/meghanncuniff

Nancy has what was probably the main point from the defense DNA expert, that while he can’t conclude Tory’s DNA isn’t on the gun, he would expect a clear DNA profile from him if he did pick up the gun and fire it five times.

This isn't looking good for the prosecution imo

Tory shot at meg assaukted kelsey offered money for them to keep quiet about it.

https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1603853271273066498?s=20&t=jVrt_qUI8ADogKQrc3GWlg

since she basically contradicted everything in there on the stand, either saying it didn't happen, or that she lied about things she said previously.

at this point, it's really on if the jury feels there is reasonable doubt. as much of a convuluted mess this has been, i'd expect them to have some doubt, but who knows. juries can be unpredictable. no decision they make would surprise me.

just wanted to clear up that detail in the interest of accuracy.

kelseys testimony backfired a bit in that it was so convoluted and confusing...the judge reversed an earlier decision not to allow the full interview in court.

the prosecutors basically have to convince the jurors that this was kelsey being honest and her testimony on the stand was influenced in some way. kelsey admitting tory offered money on 2 different occasions plus the blatant reversals by kelsey helps convey this point imo. its convinced a ton of people here and on social media that tory bribed her. jurors are human beings like everybody else.

it needs to sway *every* juror tho. and thats the biggest problem for the prosecution. with so much confusion and messiness...its easy to see why any juror wouldnt pin a ton of credibility to kelsey either way...or would just be straight up looking for an off ramp with such obvious reasonable doubt.

All of this is alleged with facts thrown in, once again ALLEGEDLY.....

Kelsey's lying to protect Torey after getting paid off.

Meg lied to protect her image, evidenced by lying to police and making statements over the years.

Torey's lying and paying people off.

The driver/bodyguard disappeared..

Look at the facts based on Kelsey's cross examination: There are 4 people involved: driver/bodyguard, Meg, Torey, and Kelsey. Kelsey said the bodyguard didn't shoot Meg, she didn't shoot Meg, and Meg didn't shoot herself. That's 3/4 of the people involved. Torey had gun residue on his hands....

Now let's get into ALLEGEDLY what happened if you piece together what's been publically said over the years and Kelsey's text messages right after the incident happened....

They arrived in separate cars to a pool party. Meg didn't like Torey flirting with Kylie. Meg got mad at Torey so she wanted to leave, starting a scene. Kylie kicked Meg and her friend out of the party.

Bodyguard packed the bags but Meg claimed she lost something. She told her bodyguard to put the bags in Torey's car. At that point she argued with Torey and they go outside. Kelsey enters the area to defend Meg just as Torey told Kelsey he had sex with Meg. Meg's pissed cause they're in the car and the driver's taking off.

Meg disses Torey's rap career and he responds with eff you b, threatening to shoot her. Meg and Kelsey are arguing too after Torey revealed Meg basically slept with people after Kelsey, allegedly.

At that point Meg wants out of the car and heads to a bus stop. She wanted a bus or Uber to pick her up because she didn't want to ride with them. Torey talks to Meg to get her back in the car, she agrees but arguing continues. Now Kelsey and Meg are ready to throw hands.

Now it's on. Both Kelsey and Meg get out the car. Meg changes her mind and is ready to leave again, walks away. Torey exits the car with a gun and waves it around, telling people to get back in the car. He told Meg, she's gon move, she refuses. TOREY SHOT AT THE GROUND, THREE TIMES, allegedly.

Kelsey ran to the car on the side of Torey when he was shooting at Meg to stop him to take the gun away, right next to him. She grabs the gun. "Stop what you are doing you could kill somebody", allegedly. Bullets break enter fragments when you shoot the ground. One fragment hit Meg's legs another hit her foot. Kelsey got in the car, demanded to be driven home, and texted people. She basically told the story. Torey panics, begs, and offers $1 million immediately.

The neighbors called police. Torey was trying to wipe his hands down with hand sanitizer when police arrived, allegedly. If Meg stepped on broken glass then why is there gun residue on two people: Kelsey and Torey. Kelsey said she didn't shoot Meg...

Not only is everyone involved a moron, but NONE of them seem to have enough self-respect to stop kicking it with their own opps.

smh

Jesus. I get it's lonely when you're rich and/or famous, but I'd rather be alone than kick it with anyone acting like this.

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1604243993281191936

this is the one who kelsey sent a text to saying 'tory shot meg'.

who has also gone missing a while ago.

The thing is, I don't believe that Tory Lanez has the ability or brains to pull off some criminal mastermind shit like bribe witnesses to change their story and make other witnesses disappear. Dude isn't that smart or clever. And the police can't be that incompetent to not figure it out. What the heck is going on?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and j prince is linked with megs old label in houston...1501...who meg/roc nation have been in legal disputes with for a while now.

heres j prince speaking on the the meg/1501/roc nation situation with 1501 ceo carl crawford.
https://twitter.com/Glock_Topickz/status/1562265454848122880

heres tory partying with crawford and j prince jr (crawford using the #protectblackmen hashtag).
https://twitter.com/GotDaScoop/status/1516170943344873475

want some more tin foil? kelsey...megs ex friend who changed her testimony on the stand to protect tory...is in a relationship with (and had a child with) a man named darien smith.
https://twitter.com/meghanncuniff/status/1604590746392092672
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkAr2_jagAAV2IX?format=jpg&name=medium

darien smith is an executive at the 1501 label.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkDK8r-UUAAT2Y3?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkWFaV3XkAQfWyO?format=jpg&name=large

this trial def should have been televised lol.

this case is wild af.

https://www.outlookindia.com/art-entertainment/megan-thee-stallion-s-ex-bodyguard-worked-at-fifa-world-cup-despite-reportedly-being-news-246372


MIA Megan Thee Stallion's former bodyguard Justin Edison has been active on social media despite the rapper's lawyer claiming that he went missing ahead of his scheduled testimony in Tory Lanez's shooting trial

Updated: 19 Dec 2022 7:49 pm

Megan Thee Stallion's former bodyguard Justin Edison has been active on social media despite the rapper's lawyer claiming that he went missing ahead of his scheduled testimony in Tory Lanez's shooting trial.

A source close to Justin told Media Take Out on Sunday: "Justin was hired as personal security (for a very important person) and is currently in Qatar, while (the person he is protecting) is at the World Cup."

It's also reported that he "plans to continue with his security gig, until the VIP he's protecting is back home, safe and sound." The insider added that Justin won't likely return to the United States until Thursday, December 22, at the earliest. Unfortunately, by then, the trial will have concluded, reported aceshowbiz.com.

The reports corroborated Justin's latest post on his Instagram account @justwatchprotection. In the December 2 post, the security guard revealed that he has been working for the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar for the past few weeks.

Justin posted a series of photos of him working overseas, one of the snapshots saw him posing in the audience seat at Ahmad bin Ali Stadium. "Closing out the year protecting clients over the next few weeks of the World Cup. Another country stamp, God is Good #blessed," he captioned the post.

Interestingly, celebrity gossip account Its Onsite revealed that shortly before Meg's lawyer Alex Spiro confirmed to the press that the Houston Hottie's ex-bodyguard went missing, Justin was caught liking a friend's Instagram post.

On Saturday, Megan's lawyer Alex told The Shade Room: "We recently learned that Justin Edison went missing right before he was scheduled to appear in court." He added: "The LAPD is currently looking into his disappearance, and welcome any information about his whereabouts." Meanwhile, LAPD confirmed to TMZ they don't have a missing person case open for Justin.

Justin is one of the key witnesses as he's the person who prosecutors say Megan's ex-BFF and former assistant, Kelsey Nicole Harris, sent a text to on the night of the July shooting that read, "Help," followed by "Tory shot Meg. 911."

This wasn't the first time a key witness in the July 2020 shooting case failed to testify in the trial. Earlier this month, Los Angeles Police Department Detective Ryan Stogner, who's a "critical witness," has been "relieved of duty."

The trial over the shooting incident began on Monday, December 12. The trial will resume on Monday, December 19 at 10:30 a.m. in Los Angeles with testimony expected to end on Tuesday. Tory is facing three felony counts and could face up to 23 years in prison if convicted.

or Torey had reconstructive surgery on his hands to fuck up the DNA

Giving a bodyguard some scratch to get ghost is a simple fucking plan.

someone 1M to obstruct justice.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

or simply made a “promise” based on the outcome of the trial

my question is how hard are police really looking into this case?

a rapper got hit by bullet fragments in their foot.

>my question is how hard are police really looking into this
>case?

SEEMS like they are on some "this was some rich famous people who got a little out of hand, shit got crazy, and even despite someone getting injured? they seem aight overall."

and then, you got the one (is one, or two?) cop who is involved who got his own problems going on, so the cops look bad off rip.

to the point I called the ambulance. Before the ambulance came 2 cops showed up. One of our roommates was grinding and we had recently smoked something so we were a bit shook.

Cop comes in, looks at my friend passed out and says “shit, I was more fucked up than this last night!” and laughed and went back to the car


This is how law enforcement looking at this case?

Prolly thinking to themselves “I accidentally (yeah right) discharged my weapon last week” Meg the who? Trey who?”

https://www.tmz.com/2022/12/19/megan-thee-stallion-bodyguard-da-office-seeking-him/

its weird...he was openly posting on social media about doing security in qatar for the world cup a lil while ago. posted pics from the stadium. which has a lot of people believing hes chilling in qatar (something prosecutors/cops can see for themselves).

but then you have this...

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Megan's attorney Alex Spiro told us Monday on "TMZ Live" ... Meg's team was last in touch with Justin on Thursday night, when they fully expected he would be in court Friday for testimony they felt would be devastating to Tory's case.

Spiro believes there's witness intimidation going on in Tory's trial, and he claims prosecutors have launched an investigation into that.
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if he was in qatar...why would they expect him to be in court the next day?

does contempt of court not exist anymore? you can just willingly defy a witness supoena in a criminal trial?

imagine being a juror and missing out on work/wages for this bullshit.

as in someone else took the photo to try and throw them off of where he is?

seems like something they would try to do given all the fuckery so far in this case.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ClrMdgtj5E5/?hl=en

posted over 2 weeks ago.

even with a job over there (if that's even true), he knew he should've been at this trial.

Apparently the lyrics from the song have been submitted into the court as evidence.

They include: “(Who shot ya?) ‘Cause you know it wasn’t me / I was 10 toes down whenever you had beef.”

Link:
https://variety.com/2022/music/news/megan-thee-stallion-diss-track-tory-lanez-court-1235465626/

they clearly muddying this shit up with a ridiculous amount of bullshit.

why in the world.. smh.

ain't about "keeping up".

my main point was this wasn't new fuckery. it's been around for 2 years, LOL.

its okay.. lol.

I feel more knowledgeable after reading this thread because I had no idea all this was going on.

but no one knows what's going on.

what a strange situation.

after thinking about the diss track this morning (and why Kelsey would make it), i had another dumb theory: Tory is smashing both, so he has an affinity for both in one way or another, MEG and KELSEY are the ones that start fighting which is how Kelsey gets her injuries, Tory tries breaking up the fight to protect Kelsey but he's too little to get them to stop, and Meg is just brushing him aside, so he pulls out and shoots near her feet to get her to stop.

but then, when i typed that out i'm like "is that so dumb?" not in light of everything else. LOL. also i recognize that like every story we've heard so far, there's lots of holes in that in light of other versions of events.

In the beginning, my stance was with Meg because I don't see the gain in saying you've been shot if it wasn't true. still don't. however, none of these stories are adding up.

now I think Tory won't get any time because there's doubt about Meg's side. the ex friend blew up in the prosecution's face. I don't see any time being served, but everyone's reputation is trash.

with that said, I really wish this didn't turn into who fucked who. that doesn't say she wasn't shot by him, but I get how branding the victim a liar makes folks have doubt about the rest of what she says. Meg shouldn't have done that interview with Gayle. I think that's where she messed up.

its never a good look unless your lawyer is there and you mr answers are tight and controlled.

when I first heard the story it seemed easy and simple but I did wonder why she would lie to the police?

but now, it just sounds messy af. Just sounds like a drunk and high night and no one’s words can be trusted. Maybe this is Torey’s people strategy bit that shit is working to a T.

It's working on Social Media but none of us are under jury instruction.

That Gayle King interview hasn't been submitted as evidence and means virtually nothing as it pertains to this case.

There's bullet fragments in Meg's foot and there was gunshot residue on both Tory and the ex-friend.

SOMEBODY's doing time because there was an obvious crime committed.

i mean, any outcome at this point is plausible.

that being said, if the point is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt"? well by hook or by crook, it looks like Tory has inserted enough doubt that, yeah, a jury could let him off. i'm not saying that will happen, i'm saying you said "someone getting convicted" but if it ain't Tory then it ain't gonna be anyone.

- Is there a doubt that someone was shot? No
- Is there a doubt that there are bullet fragments in the foot of the defendant? No
- Is there a doubt that Tory and the other woman had gunshot residue on them? No
- Is there a doubt that there was a gun found in the vehicle? No
- Did the ballistics from that gun match the casings and bullets found at the crime scene? Yes

Please spell out the doubt that you think Tory's team has masterfully instituted.

If you plan to type about some interview about who was banging who, don't even waste the keystrokes because it will have no bearing on the jury's instruction.

committed but it will be hard to prove who shot who and with which gun?

This aint Florida tho..

no idea how this ends

Even if the guns themselves were identical and they were carrying the same type of bullets, they would still have differing markings on them.

They also had a ballistics expert in court.

Firearms examiner Srinivasan Rathinam, with the LAPD, said that 8.5 pounds are force are needed to shoot the semiautomatic 9mm luger caliber firearm that police found on the floorboard of the Black SUV the group was riding in the night of the incident.

"If you just tap the trigger, it won't fire," he said, adding that "you need to pull the trigger all the way down."

Rathinam also confirmed that the cartridge casings found at the scene of the shooting — four were found by police right after the incident, and one was found by a neighbor the following day — matched the gun found in the vehicle.

Rathinam added: "I'm not sure whether I can call this an accident."

Prosecutors told the court during opening statements that police found the gun was "warm" on a cool night and in "slide-lock position," indicating not only that the gun had recently been used, they said, but also that all of the rounds had been fired.

The gun was fired five times, prosecutors said, hitting Megan in several parts of her feet. Some remnants from the bullets remain inside her feet, a surgeon testified on Thursday.

it still could have been Kelsey, or the driver, or a leprechaun that jumped outta the woods.

if you think there's ZERO doubt here? let me have some of whatever hallucinogen you're smoking.

It checked all the boxes and the lawyer LITERALLY held up a scorecard that said all the shit I said.

https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1606018299749273600?s=20&t=BnILhe0svqbOeNZXz-Bq4A

but i figured you'd be here to touchdown dance.

ain't no points to be scored here though. i've said this whole post that i could see any outcome as possible, including this one.

i'm surprised he was found guilty, because the evidence was weak and there was nothing DEFINITIVE saying that he was the guilty party, and there was a TON of doubt, but i'm not totally surprised because it SEEMS like something a guy like him would do, and when a jury is involved? sometimes that's enough.

The evidence was straightforward. Throw in the eye witness and it was only going to go one way. Wasn't even a need to review it under the hood. I still don't know where all this "doubt" was that you spoke of, but it's overt now, so nothing much left to discuss.

Be safe out there.

you can read the thread(s) recounting the testimony here:
https://twitter.com/meghanncuniff/status/1605293761545637888
https://twitter.com/meghanncuniff/status/1605296703006855169

quick cliff notes...according to the witness...

the fight started between the two girls. then the shorter guy was fighting both of them. even the driver got out and got involved.

he saw a (muzzle) flash that he believes came from one of the girls. then eventually he saw multiple (muzzle) flashes coming from the shorter guy. he says he didnt see an actual gun producing the flashes. but later on he says he saw a gun in the shorter guys hand at some point after the flashes.

then it looked like everyone was beating on the one girl. he said it looked like they wanted to kill her and throw her in the river. the driver said the police are coming. they put the woman in the suv and pulled off.

prosecutors bring up his 911 call. he doesnt mention a woman shooting. he mentions a group beating on a woman and a shorter guy who was very agitated and firing everywhere. about 4 or 5 shots.

they played home surveillance audio of the gunshots. he reiterates he believes he saw a girl fire the 1st shot ('into the car'). he said the shorter guy was going crazy and yelling a torrent of abuse at the woman on the ground...who was kicking and crawling and stumbling across the road.

...

thats pretty much the gist of it.

the simplest scenario...if that testimony is anything close to accurate...is that both kelsey and tory fired the gun at some point. that would also be the likeliest explanation for why both of them had gun shot residue on them.

idk if the alleged kelsey gunshot was unintentional...or she was firing defensively to stop getting beat up or to break up the fight in general...or if she intentionally shot at/towards meg. the 'tory shot meg' text would still make sense if kelsey wasnt actually shooting at meg but tory was. or if she was just intentionally concealing her role/actions.

but im actually starting to lean in the direction of the gun being fired while in both of their hands at some point. kelseys actions with the gun in her hand being iffy. but tory intentionally shooting near megs feet ('dance bitch'). and the bullet fragments in megs feet coming from the impact of the bullets hitting the ground and producing shrapnel.

shit is a convoluted ghetto mess either way. i wish there was a way to charge everyone lol.

so either the defense was already confident in his chances based on how things played out so far. or they thought him testifying would be a net negative for their case. im leaning towards the former since theres been so much inconsistency and confusion with the prosecution.

apparently torys bodyguard (the driver) *was* available to be called as a witness by the defense. but the prosecution was asking for an extension to be able to prepare to question him that lasted until around christmas. so the defense just nixed him.

closing arguments began yesterday and continue into today.

then its up to the jury after that.

on the outside looking in...it feels like the defense didnt have to do much work. 2 different people had gsr on them. dna test of the gun inconclusive for tory. one witness for the prosecution going scorched earth on most of her previous accounts of the incident. another witness for the prosecution not even showing up.

there are 3 charges i believe. assault with a (semiauto) firearm, carrying an unregistered loaded firearm in a vehicle, and (the newest charge added just before the trial) discharging a firearm with gross negligence (aka in public).

prediction: tory gets off on main charge. the lesser charges are more of a ballgame imo. but i dont see how anyone can be confident that those were proven beyond a reasonable doubt based on the details people have reported about the trial. im just gonna go ahead and say he gets acquitted on all charges.

In regards to the non gun related beating. That is the only thing that isnt in question for me. But the other tidbits ive heard, def gives reasonable doubt on the charges. My common sense said he probably did it but cant convict on that.

Damn.

If he gets off, we're gonna have to hear how 'violence against black women is ok' but this lookin like a shitty ass case

no video evidence...no detailed witness testimony outside of meg (independent witness only saw things from a distance and couldnt make out specific identities...especially among the women)...and i havent seen anyone report significant injuries to meg outside of the gun-related injuries to her feet (maybe just because the news/prosecution/etc werent focused on them iono).

meg pretty much looks like she was left on an island throughout this whole thing. like a how a nigga that you *pay* to protect you dont even show up just to confirm he received a text?

Guy was beating both women.

it seemed like he was saying the fight started with meg and kelsey...then everyone fighting...then eventually turned into everyone beating up meg.

could you even prove that any injuries meg incurred came from torys hands?

and how could you prove tory wasnt defending himself in the melee?

i think thats why they didnt even look at assault (without the gun). the details are much murkier than even the gun case.

i mean...even *we* think getting a conviction on the gun assault is iffy at this point. but theres at least evidence a gun was fired, someone likely held the gun when it was fired, and there were injuries resulting from that gun being fired. what evidence is there on a beating (specifically implicating tory) other than a 3rd party who couldnt even id any of the people by face?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cme1wa9O9c3/

This whole fiasco continues to be a mess

Man, ya'll suck at this.

The rapper part might explain a few of the years.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/verdict-reached-trial-rapper-tory-lanez-charged-shooting/story?id=95723751

A jury in Los Angeles found rapper Tory Lanez guilty on all three charges in the shooting of hip-hop star Megan Thee Stallion on July 12, 2020 in the Hollywood Hills.

"The jury got it right. I am thankful there is justice for Meg," Megan Thee Stallion's attorney Alex Spiro told ABC News in a statement after the verdict was announced Friday afternoon.

Chaos reportedly broke out in the court room after the verdict was announced, with Lanez's father screaming at prosecutors, calling them "witches" and "evil," according to Los Angeles station KABC.

"You two are evil, wicked," Lanez's father yelled at prosecutors as the jury left the court room, while Lanez's defense attorneys tried to deescalate the situation.

Lanez was later taken into custody.

ABC News has reached out to Lanez's attorneys and a request for comment was not immediately returned. Sentencing is scheduled for Jan. 27 at 8:30 a.m. local time, according to KABC.

Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón in a statement recognized the "bravery" of Megan Thee Stallion, whose legal name is Megan Pete, pointing to some of the commentary around the case.

"You showed incredible courage and vulnerability with your testimony despite repeated and grotesque attacks that you did not deserve," he wrote. "You faced unjust and despicable scrutiny that no woman should ever face and you have been an inspiration to others across LA County and the nation."

This case has sparked intense debates over society's treatment of women, and Megan's account of the incident -- and the intense public vitriol she faced after sharing her story -- has spotlighted the Protect Black Women movement, which addresses the two-front battle of sexism and racism Black women experience in their own communities and in society at large.

"Even as a victim, I have been met with skepticism and judgment," Megan wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times published on Oct. 13, 2020. "There's not much room for passionate advocacy if you are a Black woman."

"Women, especially Black women, are afraid to report crimes like assault and sexual violence because they are too often not believed," Gascón said in his Friday statement.

"It's ridiculous that some people think the simple phrase 'Protect Black Women' is controversial. We deserve to be protected as human beings," Pete wrote in the 2020 op-ed.

The jury, including alternates, was made up of nine women and five men, including four Black jurors. They deliberated for seven hours over two days before finding Lanez guilty.

During the two-week trial, jurors heard testimony from various witnesses, including Pete herself. Pete's former friend Kelsey Harris, who was one of four people present when Pete was shot, also testified.

Harris initially corroborated details that point to Lanez as the alleged shooter in a September video interview with prosecutors but changed her story on the witness stand last week.

A key piece of evidence presented to the jury was a text message Harris sent to Pete's then-body guard Justin Edison moments after the incident, saying, "Help Tory shot Meg 911."

"I don't know why I said that to Justin. I didn't see anything happen," Harris testified, according to Los Angeles' KABC.

Edison, who was subpoenaed to testify in this case, went missing a day before his scheduled testimony last Friday, his father told "GMA," but as the jury deliberated, his family announced he was located.

Witnesses also included police who responded to the shooting, forensic experts who examined DNA evidence on the gun, a doctor who treated Megan's foot injuries and a neighbor who witnessed the shooting from his home.Pete testified last week that on the night of July 12, 2020, she got out of a car following an argument with Lanez and as she walked away, she turned her head and saw him with a gun, according to a reporter with Los Angeles ABC station KABC, who was in the courtroom.

"He was holding the gun pointing at me," she said, according to KABC, and claimed that he said "dance b----" and fired his gun, injuring both her feet.

"I froze ... I felt shocked," she said. "I wasn't really sure if this was happening. ... I looked at the ground and saw the blood ... everyone was shocked."

Lanez, a popular rapper whose legal name is Daystar Peterson, was initially charged in October 2020 with one felony count each of assault with a semi-automatic firearm (personal use of a firearm) and carrying a loaded, unregistered firearm in a vehicle, according to charging documents obtained by ABC News. "Personal use of a firearm" is not a separate charge but a sentencing enhancement linked to the first count that could increase Lanez's possible sentence.

He was charged earlier this month with an additional felony count of discharging a firearm with gross negligence, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office confirmed to ABC News.

Lanez, who chose not to take the witness stand during the trial, pleaded not guilty to all three charges. His defense attorneys argued during the trial that their client was not the shooter.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

did not expect that.

in the middle of jury deliberations.

you cant make this up.

Meh. Im reading my comments and I don't think any of it is egregiously wrong.

I legit don't understand why he thought he could win without a definitive explanation of who shot Megan. Am I to understand that the defense put up a witness who said that he remembers the little guy shooting at the woman?

Crazy to think he faced like a decade in jail and could have pled guilty and done like, 2 years.

My question is does the entertainment industry make people delusional or do delusional people go into the entertainment industry?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>My question is does the entertainment industry make people
>delusional or do delusional people go into the entertainment
>industry?

Source: working in the entertainment industry for the last 17 years

it’s funny to see people try to run here after the fact and say “I told you so!”

But hey…

Glad people can get their hot takes preserved!

Attorney lol

cuz dude clearly had a dog in this fight (as subtle as he tried to be) and the clips people were posting on the various black 'news' pages damn sure had folks thinking tory was about to beat them charges.

reminds me of sports fans who tell you to take it one game at a time..

dude said we needed to wait like we were on the jury and shit. Our words and predictions don’t mean shit.. lol.

but to your point...people do that all the time on the internet.

lmao..

that I disagree with

going to trial based on what there is, was just a stupid move and either he got terrible legal advice, or he didn't take the good advice he got?

I think his reason for not pleading is that on a charge like that, they're going to push for deportation.

but man fuckit, you can be free in Canada instead of in jail and then deported when you're released anyway

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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www.fwmj.co
@fwmj

Felt he was guilty and wrote about it earlier.

-if the sentence is light? do the time.

-appeal

He’s not doing less than a year for this.

When you plea not guilty and tweet like this before sentencing...

https://twitter.com/torylanez/status/1441038670908166145?t=eAMa0R4AhxCDKgBw_OKl0g&s=19


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

unless he was fully acquitted

that didn't include deportation


because he (very obviously to me?) should have pleaded out to some lesser charge, but I understand why he didn't want to do that because there's no way they're not deporting him.

I just think he should've gone that route, and he's going to pay the price for not doing that

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the trauma she must be experiencing as the actual victim of the crime

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

in regards to her.

she needs to move on from the trauma as best as she can with the satisfaction that a jury believed her.

Not sure what else you wanna talk about, but feel free to post it!

the jury asked for a transcript of his testimony...they asked for a clear definition of 'willfully' and 'on purpose'...then shortly returned with a unanimous verdict.

that witness confirmed that tory possessed the gun and fired multiple shots.

what a weird trial. the prosecutions star witness basically aided the defense. and the star witness for the defense pretty much sealed torys fate.

I know we've all watched a ton of Law & Order over the years and we've seen how they need to build a case to convict, but who among you really truly believe that Tory DID NOT shoot Meg in the foot?

just cuz he was echoing a lot of the typical talking points ive seen die hard tory defenders on social media (still) using. right now dude is prolly thinking conspiracy carried out by lapd, roc nation, etc.

but the majority of people in here seem to believe tory is responsible for the gun related wounds meg incurred...they/we just had an increasing doubt that this jury would find him guilty because of the way the trial played out. and doubt is the name of game in a criminal trial.

im happy to have been wrong on my final prediction. good to see meg get justice in the end. lord knows her name/rep have been dragged through the mud during this whole ordeal.

Enough to where I thought the jury might find that there is a reasonable doubt that he wasn't the trigger man.

But I think it's pretty obvious he did the shooting

Or them and that the other girl shot first. Doesn’t look good when your own witness confirms that you shot the gun and then it corroborates the motives for the other events (apologizing via text, why the other girl plead the 5th, etc).

- Lets bring up whether or not they had sex because loose women aren't worth protecting.

- We don't need to actually say he didn't do it, we just need to dangle this shiny object over here and get 2-3 people to look at it.

- Since we can't actually deny that she was shot, lets put a witness on the stand that identifies our client as the shooter BUT ALSO identify an additional shooter. That'll confuse em.

>- Since we can't actually deny that she was shot, lets put a
>witness on the stand that identifies our client as the shooter
>BUT ALSO identify an additional shooter. That'll confuse em.

worked like a charm

After all the lies on Meg's part came out, but that being said. I'm not surprised he was found guilty, I had felt he would be from the start.

23 years is a bit heavy, but .... play stupid games....

I think this just confirms that you really gotta be more intentional about who you hang around with and how much access you give to those around you.

Had anyone in this group had even the SLIGHTEST bit of self-esteem, I doubt any would have been hanging with any of the others.

I know they were unrelated but dude came out with a straight face saying he didn't put hands on Alsina and then video of the event surfaced

After that last just assumed he was lying about the Meg situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReUZ5BFPxNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePDz8pC934

before the audio was released...tory defenders claimed tory was really apologizing for sleeping with both meg and kelsey.

but its pretty clear he was apologizing for his actions in this specific incident. and its also telling kelsey is speaking like someone who doesnt feel burdened by anything she may have been alleged to have done wrong (like people claiming she shot at meg).

Somebody even tweeted out that he was the modern day "Emmit" Till.

http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

from the alabama boat fight.

By the end of the trial, and them releasing the tape of him trying to get forgiveness, I folks came around to the idea that he did in fact shoot that girl in the feets (or at the very least, recklessly shot a gun in such a manner that it was the proximate cause of her feet injuries).

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And I honestly think it’s much stronger than that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/tory-lanez-sentenced-to-10-years-for-shooting-megan-thee-stallion-in-the-foot/ar-AA1eYxtK

i didn't get shot by him though.

Which makes me feel like this is on him.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Like, you shouldn't be punished for maintaining your innocence. You're allowed to try to beat the charges. You shouldn't have to cop to something you don't want to just out of fear of being in jail 5x longer or whatever. That's not justice.

Should absolutely result in a full sentencing. That's why they offer you a plea deal to earn a reduced sentence. It saves the tax payers money from putting on a full trial.

You can't go through all of that, not even testify and expect leniency from the Judicial System.

you shouldn't be punished with a harsher sentences because you wanted a full trial that *checks notes* you're legally guaranteed per our so called justice system as opposed to saving the government some money and convenience.

you know how many people have copped to crimes they didn't do simply cuz of this setup and they couldn't take the risk of being convicted and having it be worse?

i dunno, i'm pretty sure that's not how the system SHOULD work or was meant to work - the threat of long sentences making people admit to shit they never did.

at all.

He clearly did. He's absolutely entitled to a trial. At the end of that trial, you should be punished to the fullest extent if you are found guilty. 10 years, isn't even the fullest extent. That's all of it.

If you elect not to have a trial, there's a chance that you can get a reduced sentence.

The "near did" shouldn't be used here.

his crime and takes responsibility for his action get less time then a person who never admitted they even did anything wrong?

The plea bargaining system is fugged up in this country but this isn't a case of a poor kid getting railroaded into doing jail time for a crime they didn't commit out of fear of getting a harsher punishment.

I spent a long time wondering if this was a case of a brother wrongly accused on a crime he didn't commit and fighting for truth and justice or if dude was a psychopath who couldn't leave well enough alone and began diss tracks of the woman he shot who was willing to cover for him.

After everything we have seen, I am pretty sure it's the latter.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I want to see who his Daddy blame now. Hopefully she gets some peace of mind. Most women don't get to see any accountability from their abuser.

she doesn't HAVE to press charges. the DA decided to bring the case of their own volition.

her not pressing charges has nothing to do with him getting probation if he'd just went ghost about the whole thing. he'd only have gotten probation if that's what the DA recommended and the judge agreed. if i had to guess, the fact that someone was shot woulda kept probation off the table regardless of his post-incident behavior.

it would have probably meant deportation / ban from the US

but that's going to happen once he gets out of jail anyway now, so dude is just more screwed, if I understand things correctly

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvyGJ7yAtr1/

I'm taking 10 years and not testifying against the "rEaL sHo0t3r". GTFOH!

Unless it's my Wife or my Mom, I ain't taking a bid for NOBODY.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIrkJ6JPcZ/

people still thinking she lying and want her out the paint. some fans are no longer fans. shit's weird to me.

didn't know so many folks were invested in Tory like that.

shit is way bigger than I ever realized. I ignored this post for years and seriously didn't realize all this was going on with this situation. I am watching the Megan story now and it it heart breaking. I can't imagine being swayed bu his side but I am going to watch it.

the whole thing is a shame.