>theres no true progress without policy (civil rights act,
>voting rights act, affirmative action, etc).
>
>you seem to be under the impression that theres some mystical
>'change' that takes place without gaining (then using)
>political power.

political power can also be leveraged on a local level since police budgets and allocations are handled locally and not federally.

nothing i said dismisses the importance of political power. i disagree with your framing of it.

>you need to get people on your side. then all of the people
>on your side need to win elections to empower politicians that
>push your preferred policies.

of course. that often does not happen with broad public support though. There are many ways to get to that end.

>you dont do that by saying/doing shit that makes *your* heart
>flutter but only appeals to your bubble or narrow sliver of
>the base. you def dont do it with sloppy slogans that can
>easily be hijacked and misinterpreted (at best) or are just
>completely unpopular/divisive among the general public *and*
>the majority of your political tribe (at worst).

look, you are firmly rooted in a "this is how you do things". and that's why i'm saying that no, it doesn't have to always be that way.

I don't agree the slogan is sloppy. just because you say it is doesn't make it so. either way, folks wanna focus there instead of digging into the details...i find this type of approach to be lazy and cowardly, personally.


its the reason the 'progressive' left had a generational
>opportunity to cement itself firmly within the soul of
>democratic party politics...and instead ended up alienating at
>least 2/3 of the mainstream party, losing every major
>demographic but young people who barely vote, possibly getting
>less than 25% of dem convention delegates and a diminished
>role at the party platform table, and currently eating itself
>alive with in-fighting and dysfunction.
>
LOL that actually is NOT the reason why. but ok.

>in a matter of 1 presidential cycle they actually *lost*
>power/influence. banging their heads against the same wall
>youre banging yours against.

yeah, you've now lost me as it has become apparent that your political analysis isn't what you think it is.

>if you think thats a successful path forward and wanna
>continue along it...then thats your choice.

yup, it is.

>but the way you think things work? they dont really work like
>that.

i guess we'll see. in the meantime, #DefundThePolice

cheers luv

d