in terms of showing the dissolution of Molly and Issa's relationship. I'm sure they'll have them making up in the future or on a future season. But still, I like this choice, as the ending of a old relationship is a common milestone of growing older. An unpacking of the incidents and longstanding dynamics that contribute to a friend-breakup is a good next step.

Other things:

While I don't really care about Lawrence, I like the choice of having Condola date him and having them deal with the discomfort of that because...real life.

I'm a fan of TSA bae and repping big bodies in sex scenes on tv.

I want things to work out with Andrew, but maybe losing him and losing Issa will finally be the catalysts for Molly to be serious about working on herself beyond working on her career.

I miss Nathan and wish more had been done with his mental health story line, but I get that we need to move on.

Her apartment is enormous.

I saw some reddit or Twitter posters complaining that they thought the ep was boring, but I enjoyed it just fine. It's a slice-of-life/coming-of-age show for late 20/early 30-somethings. We're reestablishing characters and story from the last season and showing small steps of Issa's growth. It did what it was supposed to do.

The Molly shit is getting tired and old. Can’t blame ole girl for telling her to go get it.

Nothing else to add besides TSA dude being hilarious.

that's wassup

fucked up but she's ride or die for Issa and the only person that tells Issa the truth.

The way last night's ep ended I was initially feeling like "that's it?" but really that is the nature of the the show, its a half hour and Issa has been adamant about it staying that way and i understand why

insecure had one good season, the first. everything else is just variations of that sprinkled with a few guys, bird like bougie
behavior, and trendy music.

just feels like teh show has gotten progressively worse though

i feel like location is the only thing that keeps me watching.

there's always a decent moment or two, but I'm pretty checked out on it mostly.

after the first episode after a year off.

Give it time. It’s weird because I didn’t really like the show early on but I’m invested.

I will admit. Taking a year off for other projects definitely hurts momentum.

and they've only done two seasons


who the hell said that lol

Atlanta aint have a slipup yet

it's so insanely creative, it's unfair to expect other shows to live up to its standard.

Insecure is feeling very rinse/repeat. I wasn't crazy about last season either. but i'll hang out a while to see if it gets more interesting.

about some of the episodes and where it was going at times.

the germantown one, and the Drake ep

the rest was fire.

when did she age and become someones grandma?

unless...that was makeup.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I’m just happy she got some work

I think about Get on the Bus, Dont be a Menace, etc

She was prolly in her 30’s when it was filmed.

On Ray Donavan a few years back too

I don't have a lot of interest in watching a show about the dating lives of 35 year olds (for multiple seasons anyway). Not as exciting but characters do need to, at some point, start getting married, having kids, get divorced, have careers, etc.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Not as exciting but characters do need to, at some point,
>start getting married, having kids, get divorced, have
>careers, etc.

but they do have people in almost all of those stages except getting divorced.

or maybe consider not picking up exactly where they left off.

In fact, they did do a time jump. We jumped ahead to Isis not f'ing with Molly and we are getting the backstory now. Also jumped ahead to Isis having TSA dude without needing to fill in the gap on how they met.


Might not have worked with this storyline but they did do it to some extent in the premiere.
**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Not as exciting but characters do need to, at some point,
>start getting married, having kids, get divorced, have
>careers, etc.

Being on the receiving end of some of their bs is relatable at times, unfortunately

Any of that

Westworld which completely shit the bed last ep. sigh.

But im really excited about this season of insecure. Great premiere ep. hopefully molly gets out of her own way at some point this season. But issa is mess tho still, but at least she’s trying

Tiffany and kelly are so relegated to bit parts, I’d like to see more of them. The condola “love” triangle is good plot for this season and a way to keep jay Ellis on the show lol

they can only do so much. The show is pretty much centered around Issa, Molly & Lawrence and they briefly gave Daniel some of Lawrence's screen time.

I say they go to ten ep seasons tho. I just feel like kelly is like almost a gimmick now, like let’s seeing her dating life a *bit* more. Tiffany is just like a vehicle to move the plot along, besides the few times they show her real emotion and strain and distance from her friends.

>I say they go to ten ep seasons tho. I just feel like kelly
>is like almost a gimmick now, like let’s seeing her dating
>life a *bit* more. Tiffany is just like a vehicle to move the
>plot along, besides the few times they show her real emotion
>and strain and distance from her friends.

they are what they are, "supporting cast"

Them get main cast storylines

I know so many people like her.

They work regular ass jobs but know or are freiends with a lot of creatives.

Eventually, their regular ass job wears them down and they really hate it but they are scared to step out of the box (but they really want to, like their friends) or they don't wanna risk losing the safe money, so when their creative friends finally start doing some good shit, they start hating because they really hate their situation and are jealous that they can't be doing what their friends are doing.

I've seen it hundreds of times.

I think it’s the relationships.

Molly is right to be like “you rocking with this bitch who’s fucking your ex, that’s messy”

But Molly is also messy af.. and she just got turned out by the Asian dude who got her all fucked up in the head.

i think Issa and everyone around her, if they are being mature, should be totally cool with the organizer chick dating Lawrence.

it's hard to tell the exact timeline in Insecure, but she's had to have been broken up with Lawrence for at LEAST 8 months. he's clearly moved on. Issa seems like she has too and even if she does have a bit of feelings there she's trying to be mature and let it go.

so, Molly harping on her like 'you gonna be friends with that chick?' or whatever? that's bum shit. like, as a friend, you don't want Issa to move on? Seeing your ex with other people, whether you know them or not, and not collapsing into a puddle of tears, is maturity.

Molly trash cuz of her own issue she be projecting on to everyone else.

for saying she's good with shit until she's not. Like the whole living with Daniel thing. Like her job with "We Got Y'all". Like her current emplomyent situation. Like Nathan. Molly sees the bs with Issa coming before Issa does.

Yet Molly is always supportive and there to help her pick up the pieces when shit crumbles.

I remember at the end of season 1 when they were in Malibu and Issa wanted to get back to LA and Tiffany and Kelli looked at her like "bitch you're on your own" and Molly walked out with her keys like "bitch lets go"

You should get over finding out your new bestie is getting ducked down by your ex of 5 years because it’s been a whole 8 months.

Oh, these okp’s and their skewed views.. gotta love it.

Not sure I can even call that WPS.

You sound like you never had an ex before.

Ain’t no way.

y'all ain't never heard of maturity and letting go?

only on OKP.

what type of herb as niggas hang out with the dude smashing your ex? Cause he’s.. cool?

Go find a new dude to hang out with you simp ass niggas.

Joking but cmon b... you really playing Madden with dude and having bro nights?

Get a life..

i didn't say y'all gotta be BFFs.

that said, there are people who are good friends who had relations(hips) with the same person. it does happen.

There are dudes who get off on watching their wives get smashed too

It happens.. but that doesn’t make it a good idea or some mature shit.

Unless you cops renting and have to be in a persons life there is no reason for you to pursue a friendship with someone you just found out is dating your ex of 5 years.

Maturity ain’t got shit to do with it. That’s messy.

i'm not saying seek this person out to be a buddy.

nor am i saying let them fuck your guy/girl.

but when the paths cross, like they did in the show, you ain't gotta hate them outta principle.

I didn’t say anything about hating the person.

You said up top people should be cool with hanging out and becoming friends with someone who you found out is dating your ex of 5 years.

Personally, to keep pursuing a friendship with dude is a sucker move.

I’m not saying I can’t fathom my ex dating someone else.. I’m saying I can’t fathom chilling with that dude because he’s cool.

Maybe a little. Molly is really protective of Issa and sees things for the potential of hurt that can come Issa’s way.

That *is* a messy situation, it would be for most people. I do think issa and condola can overcome it, I’m not so sure if Lawrence can, if issa and condola grow closer.

Also molly seems to genuinely love being an attorney. Despite her current work frustration

With that being said, Molly’s delivery and timing was horrible!!! And that was definitely related to her own saltiness about her feelings towards Andrew at that moment, on misery loves company

but she sees what Issa ended up daydreaming about when it came to Lawrence and ole girl.

It’s ducking with her and the only reason she is rocking with it is because of her new gig.

Music was on point as usual

>Music was on point as usual
>
>

Another great episode, I laughed hard the first 15 min. From the Halloween scene with the girls, to Lawrence with the guys to TSA bae and condom lol

Molly just can’t relax, reminds me of so many girls I went to school with, they like a guy, and immediately start seeing if they will check all the boxes so they can be hubby in six months smh...

We see even for more cracks between her and issa. Crack crack crack.

I love condola. I’m feeling for issa, condola is really like a girl crush, the woman she wants to be, and they have fun but it’s not really a true two way friendship, and it’s even moreso a dagger that her ex is now with this “improved version”, who she is trying to level up to be. I just hope condola doesn’t get burned too badly by what’s eventually coming down the road from either issa or Lawrence or both.

I’m all in tho!

out of line for bringing that to Issa, if it's an issue take it up with your new chick. If he was going to address it with Issa that couldn't be handled with a phone call or text? Chad tried to drop some knowledge on him about peeing the pool that he swims in but I'm sure that went over his head.

And when Condola and Issa fall out and they eventually will, Issa will be running back to Molly.

Its obvious that Andrew is a player, and how many times has he walked out on Molly since they've been seeing each other? It should be a sign as to how he handles shit.

And that was goofy meeting and serious dating a woman he met at his ex girl’s good friends baby shower.

He didn’t have consideration for issa at (and maybe he still don’t really owe her shit since she blew up their relationship by cheating) but he didn’t think how his request could gut her.

On Andrew.....I initially thought that with the “work call” after he and molly left dinner but I’m not 100 percent sure, now I think he is just someone who keeps what he has going on with work and family stuff to himself. I’m like that too, I don’t open up to people I’m
Dating that quickly so I could relate to that. I could be wrong, if he is a player, and when that shit comes out, molly is going to be fucked up for a while

to have make a decision and be an adult and say "I'm out." That 3-way relationship cannot continue.

>And that was goofy meeting and serious dating a woman he met
>at his ex girl’s good friends baby shower.
>
>He didn’t have consideration for issa at (and maybe he still
>don’t really owe her shit since she blew up their
>relationship by cheating) but he didn’t think how his
>request could gut her.
>
>On Andrew.....I initially thought that with the “work
>call” after he and molly left dinner but I’m not 100
>percent sure, now I think he is just someone who keeps what he
>has going on with work and family stuff to himself. I’m like
>that too, I don’t open up to people I’m
>Dating that quickly so I could relate to that. I could be
>wrong, if he is a player, and when that shit comes out, molly
>is going to be fucked up for a while

as for Andrew everything about him has screamed player from day 1 but we'll see lol

I’m sorry but if I find out I’m dating your ex of 5 years and you are “cool” with it I know you got some serious issues.

Just a matter of time before Issa tried to throw it at Lawrence again.

a dude I already knew dating my ex would be a violation

but if I become cool with a dude who had no clue of our history, well wishes to them. we wont be going on double dates, but we're exes for a reason

if anyone is at fault, it's Lawrence for getting at someone in Tiffany's circle. the slightest chance that someone could cross paths with Issa should have been a no

>a dude I already knew dating my ex would be a violation
>
>but if I become cool with a dude who had no clue of our
>history, well wishes to them. we wont be going on double
>dates, but we're exes for a reason

THANK YOU.

>if anyone is at fault, it's Lawrence for getting at someone in
>Tiffany's circle. the slightest chance that someone could
>cross paths with Issa should have been a no

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FELLAS TOLD HIM AND FOR GOOD REASON.

Lawrence knows that C was not a close friend of issa so as long as everyone is “mature” should be zero problem if he dates someone in issa’s periphery

Shit going further, as long as everyone is “mature”, Lawrence should be able to date one of the close friends too lol

Nothing good is going to come from pursuing a friendship with someone who is dating your ex.

You really that hard up to hang with a new friend?

You guys think you sound mature but you really sound weak af.

Way too many people in the world to hang with the one dude smashing your ex of 5 years.

if an ex hooked up with my boy and they both knew me/each other before, they're cut off from my life

if Im doing business with a dude and the world randomly throws my ex in his path, there's no violation on anyone's part

That’s my point in all of this.

No one is saying it’s a violation for your ex to move on.

But I would think you would be violating your sanity to chill with dude after work and be all buddy buddy with him.

You guys keep changing up the scenario presented on the show.

would I want to know about how they're doing, not really

and the storyline was put in because it’s messy. Not because it’s mature.

I dont know Insecure's exact timeline but

- Issa and Lawrence have gone on to date and fuck other people
- Issa and Lawrence have had a closure discussion
- Black LA is small, everyone knows someone through someone
- business is business, if Issa makes a good business connection who unknowingly meets her ex, it's on her to decide what she can and cant deal with. she was cool, Lawrence or Condola chose to break it off. but nothing overly messy happened

If you're in his position, and you take the issue up with Condola, then it sounds like #1 you're not over your ex, and #2 that you don't want to be discussed because the ex is going to expose how trife you are.

up with your current gf. If she chooses to continue to have a
"friendship" with your ex over your feelings then you have a decision to make.

Having an unnecessary in person meeting with your ex that could've been handled by phone or text and telling her not to tell your gf about it is shady all the way around and is a recipe for disaster once she eventually finds out and she will.

theu are calling it maturity or being secure but... all it does is open a window into insecurity and secrets.

Issa and Lawrence talking, texting and meeting up isn’t going to lead to anything good.

Someone has to be the adult and remove themselves from this 3some.

not the past. going to Issa with it says more about not being over it to me. you don't have a secret meeting with the ex. I get not wanting receipts from texts or whatever, but the meeting still happened behind new chick's back.

he didn't have to involve her at all and by doing so makes the whole situation even more messy. he brought Issa even further into his new relationship than she was already.

on top, Issa wanted to talk with him on the phone. he got off the phone, but shenanigans are on the way.

Them, he failed once he reacted like that. Cause if he went to C and said hey don’t talk to my ex please about me, get to know me from me, it would have seemed like he had something to hide or had unresolved stuff with his ex.

He shoulda let it ride, if C brought something up from
What issa said, then he could address and correct at that time

When it comes to issa. What could issa really say bad about Lawrence to C? That he was a bum for a few years? He could easily swat that down but how he is getting it career wise currently.

Issa would want to make sure nothing negative is conveyed to C cause Lawrence could easily be like ur homegirl fucked around on me and then begged to get me back, so that’s really who u want to be getting ur info from?

But of course if Lawrence reacted rationally we wouldn’t have the drama for this season so carry on lol

>When it comes to issa. What could issa really say bad about
>Lawrence to C? That he was a bum for a few years? He could
>easily swat that down but how he is getting it career wise
>currently.
>
>Issa would want to make sure nothing negative is conveyed to C
>cause Lawrence could easily be like ur homegirl fucked around
>on me and then begged to get me back, so that’s really who u
>want to be getting ur info from?
>
>But of course if Lawrence reacted rationally we wouldn’t
>have the drama for this season so carry on lol

I hate hate hate when people be inviting people along when you didn't clear it with me first, and then she got the nerve to ask if she wanted Molly to uninvite her, you can't do that without looking like a bitch so of course she has to say no...

I do think the writing was a little off with Molly continuing to pry after Andrew clearly was implying he didn't want to talk more about his sister.

I would have thought even though she was trying to get to know him on a deeper level even she would have known to back off versus trying to push, I think that was poor writing trying to push the plot further along rather than it being truly something Molly would do.

Lawrence going to Issa and even meeting up with her is super sketch and hella out of line. You got an issue with your new girl and ex, you go to the new girl to work it out, your ex owes you nothing.

The plot along given that it’s only 8-10 30 min eps, I’m sure ur right. But then again molly is very high strung and never quite satisfied so that wasn’t really off the mark for her either

>Lawrence going to Issa and even meeting up with her is super
>sketch and hella out of line. You got an issue with your new
>girl and ex, you go to the new girl to work it out, your ex
>owes you nothing.

Da wiz said this...
>I hate hate hate when people be inviting people along when
>you didn't clear it with me first, and then she got the nerve
>to ask if she wanted Molly to uninvite her

Code

When she brought it up to him, I don't think she should've led off w "I'm frustrated..." but she is within her right to want to date someone with depth. Or at least find out whether or not he has any

Lack of patience were a mess to me. If someone you *just* started dating seriously is indicating something serious and off may be going on with a family member and they say they don’t want to talk about it right now, the response should be well ok, I want to get to know you deeper and for you to trust me enough to open up right now but I can wait until your ready.

I think that’s why she also apologized when he called her, or at least started too.

Had she reacted like to me, I would had the same reaction Andrew did, if I tell you I don’t wanna talk about some personal shit cause I really don’t know you like that and then u tell me ur frustrated because of that, I’d think u selfish and inconsiderate and bounce.

(and I say this without really recalling their interactions in S3)

If someone starts talking to someone for a month, a few months, whatever ... and they see one thing they don't like and they peace out, how could they expect to get anywhere with anyone? That's rhetorical btw unless you have thoughts

>If someone starts talking to someone for a month, a few
>months, whatever ... and they see one thing they don't like
>and they peace out, how could they expect to get anywhere with
>anyone? That's rhetorical btw unless you have thoughts

but here’s one thing I told a woman I dated before who tried to get me to tell my deepest darkest...

When I’m ready... I’ll tell you. It’s really insensitive to demand someone tell you what you hold close to your heart.

Best thing you can do is say “if and when you are ready.. I’m here for you”

I hope they both learned from that. More so Molly in this instance

Mad aggressive and then accused him of lacking "depth" because he didn't open up to her? Turrible.

Im surprised dude called her back.



>When she brought it up to him, I don't think she should've
>led off w "I'm frustrated..." but she is within her right to
>want to date someone with depth. Or at least find out whether
>or not he has any


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Mad aggressive and then accused him of lacking "depth"
>because he didn't open up to her? Turrible.
>
>Im surprised dude called her back.

And I think he called back cause he was able to see her intent through her terrible approach

"Personally, I think Molly has grown and Issa has regressed. Molly has moved forward with her career. She’s finally said that she’s not going to continue relationships that may potentially be pointless. Was she a little pushy with Andrew, yes, but he understood that she didn’t want to just fuck.

Issa on the other hand quit a job that was stable- even if she was miserable. Had to go live with a man that she cheated on her bf with. Finally finds a place and starts fucking a man with 3 kids and doesn’t use protection all of the time. The only semi-successful thing that she has going can’t be done without help from the woman that’s currently fucking her ex. At this point, Issa can’t do ANYTHING without someone helping her. Whereas in the beginning of the series, she was self sufficient. She’s had no growth imo."

Progress to being less a mess but I too have no respect for people who quit jobs just becuz they are miserable when they can’t actually afford to...that’s childish

If ur art or being a creative can’t also sustain u, u need to be having a stable source of income. Period.

Molly is definitely growing and likewise growing apart from issa. I think issa also cares a bit less about growing distant from her. I think she still is harboring Ill feelings about how molly curved light eyed nigga from last season on her behalf (again a good call by molly becuz that woulda thrown that whole day off for issa and she would have never got inspiration for the block party or met condola)

All facts.

and when Molly heard where Issa is in her “relationship” she finally saw the light.

Wants from him and then fucking it up by fucking Torian’s fine ass at work, no slut shame but she does have precedent of fucking her co workers.

Fucks him and it comes out and she loses it all, as the reincarnation of issa fucking Daniel and blowing up her relationship with Lawrence, tables turned!!

And yes this wasn’t exactly an original thought but I find it plausible!

Molly reminds me of ALL the crazier girls I know who manage to find drama in every situations possible. The scene when the new girl came and crashed their lunch, it was all passive aggressive, eye rolls, sighs, "I guess its cool...."

I asked my wife, "doesn't all her mannerisms remind you of and she was like "YEAH! can't put my finger on why"

Cause Crazy Eyes Don't Lie.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Molly reminds me of ALL the crazier girls I know who manage
>to find drama in every situations possible. The scene when
>the new girl came and crashed their lunch, it was all passive
>aggressive, eye rolls, sighs, "I guess its cool...."
>
>I asked my wife, "doesn't all her mannerisms remind you of
> and she was like "YEAH! can't put my finger
>on why"
>
>Cause Crazy Eyes Don't Lie.

this?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

she already told Issa she didn’t think it was a good idea to hang with the new girl since she is dating Lawrence..

and of course she feels like a 3rd wheel since Issa is all goofy over her new friend.

I don’t think it’s crazy for her to visually express her displeasure... that’s the part that dude says is acting because the whole point is to shoe you are annoyed physically without expressing if verbally.

>she already told Issa she didn’t think it was a good idea
>to hang with the new girl since she is dating Lawrence..
>
>and of course she feels like a 3rd wheel since Issa is all
>goofy over her new friend.
>
>I don’t think it’s crazy for her to visually express her
>displeasure... that’s the part that dude says is acting
>because the whole point is to shoe you are annoyed physically
>without expressing if verbally.

but you aren’t feeling them and don’t want to verbally say it you tend to make faces and physically show displeasure.

When they grabbed the menus and Molly didn’t have one.. of course she was going to be “this bitch” with her gestures.

So odd that the one who IMO sees the messiness about to unfold is somehow the crazy one. I’m not even a fan of Molly but damn... she ain’t wrong.

but she already let us know she isn’t feeling the new friendship so I don’t think it was strange for her to act like that when Issa invited ole girl to stay.

There wasn’t anything crazy about that scene.

But shit a lot of people fall into that category at one time or another.

The scene between Issa and her brother at the Mexican spot was great and showed she can be honest with her brother in a way she can no longer be with Molly...

...but other than that meh.

Not feeling the implication that Issa and Lawrence might get back together, that plot line needs to be done with, not drawn out.

Speaking of drawn out, drawing out the eventual shouting match between Issa and Molly is wack.

Also I don’t really think it’s realistic to plan to talk about their fading friendship at a Thanksgiving when all of Molly’s family is gonna be around....I get the idea is they would I guess be in the kitchen and the rest of the fam in the living room but eh it just seems like a weird thing for both of them agree on.

Of course it feels like it’s only there to kick the convo to a later episode but still, an odd choice for the writers.

And reached out to issa just cause that’s what he knew, I think not only were his feelings hurt coming from condola’s place but also his ego. Plus the shit with his job, he just needed something to make him feel better. He obviously didn’t spend the night with C...

>Not feeling the implication that Issa and Lawrence might get
>back together, that plot line needs to be done with, not drawn
>out.
>


>
>Also I don’t really think it’s realistic to plan to talk
>about their fading friendship at a Thanksgiving when all of
>Molly’s family is gonna be around....I get the idea is they
>would I guess be in the kitchen and the rest of the fam in the
>living room but eh it just seems like a weird thing for both
>of them agree on.
>

Seems like issa goes every year and she’s fam adjacent so that didn’t strike me as weird at all, they are best friends, I’m sure both of their families have been nearby when some serious stuff between then goes down or needs to be discussed.

I feel like Condola was extra for telling Lawrence something Issa said about him that was unnecessary and extra making an already awkward situation worse. Then he had to meet Issa in person to tell her how he felt instead of calling or texting, then told Issa not to tell Condola. If it was really an issue he should’ve just taken it up with Condola in the first place and said nothing to his EX Issa.

Then this episode when he saw Issa at the restaurant after all that he could’ve just spoke and kept it moving instead of coming and hugging her and cracking jokes like he hadn’t JUST seen her and he KNEW Condola was meeting him there. Then stood there staring at her awkwardly like SHE had to leave.

Overall I feel like the tension between Issa and Molly seems super manufactured based on their history.

Also I know everyone is different but I feel like it was weird for Molly and Condola to think it was weird to invite someone they’re supposedly dating exclusively for a couple of months AND fucking over for the holidays.

Then at the end Lawrence hopping right back in Issa’s DM’s setting up for them to get back together. Overall I feel like the writing this season is hella rushed and forced. Apparently she’s trying to wrap things up for the final season.

Obviously some episodes are fantastic but in general I find myself questioning them doing something I view as a mistake or rushing to get the plot going, or just it being a case of bad writing...

Re Molly and Condola and their Thanksgiving baes, I sorta see Molly questioning it since meeting the family for the first time is always a big deal and if it was during a family holiday like Thanksgiving I think she was right to question if it was the right thing to do...

Condola not directly inviting him for Friendsgiving is wack though, since that’s a perfect time to introduce someone, unless you aren’t that serious about them, which is what I guess the writers were trying to imply...

Honestly Lawrence reading too much into what a drunk friend says is silly but I guess realistic...

>Obviously some episodes are fantastic but in general I find
>myself questioning them doing something I view as a mistake or
>rushing to get the plot going, or just it being a case of bad
>writing...
>
>Re Molly and Condola and their Thanksgiving baes, I sorta see
>Molly questioning it since meeting the family for the first
>time is always a big deal and if it was during a family
>holiday like Thanksgiving I think she was right to question if
>it was the right thing to do...

Yeah I could see Molly having reservations about her current situation considering he’s been kind of secretive about his family but Issa’s logic was faulty

>Condola not directly inviting him for Friendsgiving is wack
>though, since that’s a perfect time to introduce someone,
>unless you aren’t that serious about them, which is what I
>guess the writers were trying to imply...

Letting Lawrence invite himself then bringing it up immediately afterwards was weird

>Honestly Lawrence reading too much into what a drunk friend
>says is silly but I guess realistic...

that’s part of why I feel the writing is forced and rushed, a lot of stuff that would probably be addressed down the road it’s addressed right away, let shit marinate lol

Like they know there is an end date and they have other shit they want to do so they are speeding things up.

>Like they know there is an end date and they have other shit
>they want to do so they are speeding things up.
>

They're telling us up front how much time has passed.
Episode 2 was 3 months before the block party. Episode 3 was 2 months before the block party.
I can't remember what Episode 1 said, but i kinda wanna say it was 6 months before the block party. Could be wrong on that one.
But time is definitely moving along quite quickly.
Things will obviously come to a head at the block party. I would guess that following the party is when Issa and Lawrence hook up.

Getting all wrapped in that same banter him and issa do without even looking for condola was off, that was just a dumb scene all over, especially after he was supposedly there to meet C and he had just told issa not to speak to C about him
Last week.

Ugh at that scene lol

the show is written great

of course it's not to each individuals liking, that's the fucking point of a show

to have you disagree with plot points

no one is mentioning gaping plot holes or counter narratives

just "i don't like that/i wouldn't do that"

lol

love this season, i feel like the show is maturing in a grinding way that doesn't heft the main character up, but shows how people evolve and devolve and the assumptions that are made when you see someone making internal vs. external strides and what that means to you and your group/or friend

and never have done stupid young relationship shit, cause, IRL, i seen ALL OF THIS SHIT.

i've done some of it. i've seen other's do it.

the writers write this shit real AF IMO.

i don't know what everyone else is seeing.

In multiple posts I see you come in and decree someone’s opinions dumb because you don’t agree with them, and rather than actually listen to what they are saying about a particular point and respond or critique that.

Your type of responses do nothing to elevate a conversation and only seems to have the function of shutting it down.

Do better.

I didn't shut down anyone's opinion. I actually was AGREEING with eclipsed's take...so, that's like the...opposite of what you're saying.

also, i'm discussing the show. not only that but giving it credit for, in my opinion, it's very realistic take on relationships and friendships.

sheesh.

LoL

dummy

I seem to feel like this once a season with this show, an ep trying to cover a lot of ground but ending up just being a whole lot of disjointed filler.

However after getting past those first two scenes (condola, Lawrence and issa in the cafe, blah we get its awkward; molly and issa in the grocery store, again we get it, they have underlying tension) I think this ep was really pivotal for the whole season and (unfortunately) was a lot of shit I could relate to.

I see C and her relationship in a whole new light now and seems Lawrence does too. He is just not of her world and I think that was definitely in the back of her mind. I think she does genuinely care for him becuz she is the type of person that just genuinely cares for people but he is definitely a means to an end for her, he’s nice enuff to hang out with and fuck but not really what she wants long term.

It was so petty for her to remind him that he wasn’t really invited (she couldn’t let that lingering annoyance go (so me lol) and coupled with him saying he would and then not fixing the sink), she just had to go there lol. Then when he made the mistake of coming off whiney about his feelings and questioning her, she decided to just get it all the way popping and call him out about issa (again petty). That question about would you still be with her if she hadn’t cheated was so unnecessary and irrelevant but that’s what you do when u tryna be petty lol.

Lawrence smiley facing issa’s social media was more about him returning to safe place after he became acutely aware that he was out of his depth with condola and her whole world.

Issa’s and Molly’s time with their families was really essential to both of them and allowed for some venting and healing. I do think it would have been too soon for Andrew to have come and him not being there allowed for molly to reconcile with her dad a bit.
Issa got to finally truly vent about Lawrence and condola and show how immature and petty she still is, with that same boring thing, she got the nigga after I built him up. Different ppl bring out different things in each other and Lawrence’s life got better once he left issa, well before he got with C

Issa and molly are in a dangerous place with each other, that point where you stop really considering the other persons feelings and it seems like more harm or work than it’s worth to fix the situation (I’ve so been there smh)

Very interesting to see how bad this all gets for issa and molly and Lawrence

>It was so petty for her to remind him that he wasn’t really
>invited (she couldn’t let that lingering annoyance go (so me
>lol) and coupled with him saying he would and then not fixing
>the sink), she just had to go there lol.

that’s the kind of thing you may joke about later on after some time has passed but to hit him with it right then was like “damn!” lol

The sink thing was kind of weird too for him to try to jump right in and do that right then when he apparently had little to no experience with that type of thing. That was definition of trying too hard lol

Of why he wanted that promotion and the point of that convo with chad in his Range Rover. He feels like everything needs to level up for him now that he has leveled up to his ideal girl.

Meanwhile I lowkey feel like she is just using him to pass the time, she might get there with him but his insecurities will probably completely turn her off before they can grow there

Plus whenever the shit hits the fan with Issa lol

>Of why he wanted that promotion and the point of that convo
>with chad in his Range Rover. He feels like everything needs
>to level up for him now that he has leveled up to his ideal
>girl.

Condola and her peeps seem like they might be part of that "talented tenth" crew and he's probably feeling INSECURE after being with a chick that was cool with him sitting on the couch for 5 years lol

>Meanwhile I lowkey feel like she is just using him to pass the
>time, she might get there with him but his insecurities will
>probably completely turn her off before they can grow there

yeah and if her divorce was just like a year ago a lot of people are not ready to hop back into a serious relationship that fast especially depending on how the last one ended which hasn't been addressed at this point

>Plus whenever the shit hits the fan with Issa lol

yep lol

or anxiety.

I can't figure it out.

something is off.

Cause um... these people and this show isn’t actual real.

Becuz I feel like any could die and it’s always there.

Not over insecure and definitely not panic attacks but if a show can make you experience real emotion it’s doing some wrong. I definitely get annoyed at issa and molly lol

One of the surprising things about my 30s (or late 30s) was just drifting away from friends who no real trigger event (well more like a bunch of minor events that culminate in what should be a minor event but somehow escalating).

Isa is coming off as that self absorbed friend who doesn't have time for other people but is always asking for help and and ear.

I just felt like the advice her brother was giving her wasn't great and selfish and probably would have been the exact opposite Molly would have given her (and she ain't trying to hear it).




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it usually is the beginning of the end or re-evaluation of the friendship.

Issa still being messy. Molly definitely didn’t help when Issa was in the middle of her fundraising event but she wasn’t wrong when it comes to the overall point.

Friends with Lawrence’s ex is some messy ass shit.

Seems like Molly is realizing she isn’t nearly as messy as Issa tried to perceive her to be. We nice you look at Issa’s decisions you realize she isn’t growing at all. She cheated, moved in with dude, played games and then had a hilarious FWB who had 3 kids.

and Molly is getting shitted on for trying to build a real ass relationship with someone she finally has real feelings for and Issa ain’t trying to hear it

>Seems like Molly is realizing she isn’t nearly as messy as
>Issa tried to perceive her to be. We nice you look at Issa’s
>decisions you realize she isn’t growing at all. She cheated,
>moved in with dude, played games and then had a hilarious FWB
>who had 3 kids.
>
>and Molly is getting shitted on for trying to build a real ass
>relationship with someone she finally has real feelings for
>and Issa ain’t trying to hear it

Also yeah as someone said up above, her words to her brother totally proves that Molly was right after all, that being friends with Condola while she dates Lawrence IS truly really is messy.

>
>Isa is coming off as that self absorbed friend who doesn't
>have time for other people but is always asking for help and
>and ear.

You hit the nail on the head with that, and I think we all know someone exactly like that.
However I disagree with this:
>
>I just felt like the advice her brother was giving her wasn't
>great and selfish and probably would have been the exact
>opposite Molly would have given her (and she ain't trying to
>hear it).


All he said was she had a right to feel how she felt. He didn’t say act on it. Being emotionally honest, with our own selves is essential to growth. And it’s definitely a balance but there are people who suppress their own feelings too much in consideration of others.

>All he said was she had a right to feel how she felt. He
>didn’t say act on it. Being emotionally honest, with our own
>selves is essential to growth. And it’s definitely a balance
>but there are people who suppress their own feelings too much
>in consideration of others.
>
>

That's true. It just seems like he gave the advice that lead her to blow off Molly (and their family) and in both instances it seemed like the wrong, self-absorbed thing to do.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Already feeling.

for guys I feel like we just get busy with other shit whether its family, career or a combo etc where we just don't have time to bullshit with our boys as much but we're still cool when do run into to each other whether its a reunion, funeral or random...

Its seems like women actually "fall out" with their friends more like:

"you talked to Kim?"

"Fuck that bitch she think she all that!"

and don't even speak anymore lol

I guffawed

‪Props to Molly for being honest with Issa.‬

‪She coulda easily lied to Issa & said Andrew said he couldn’t help but she was honest! ‬

‪Also props to her for not pointing out to Issa she’s wack for hating on Molly and specifically this relationship but then wanting her and Andrew’s help.

‪Also props to Molly for taking the time to fix it with Andrew. She really is trying to do the right thing and that’s dope.

plus it looks like Molly was right about the Lawrence and Condola shit getting messy.

And Issa still never got the water fixed? She’s about to fuck up her real job fooling with her fake one lol

10 residents ain’t coming up in MY crib uninvited absolutely not, I don’t give a fuck about how mad you are about the water...

Also I thought she was supposed to like meet with the water department and that’s why the water was stopped but someone on Twitter said she didn’t pay her bill (which makes more sense) and if it is that Issa sucks for not setting a reminder, which is the easiest way to remember something in the world.

I know I know, her forgetting about her real job is meant to show how invested she is in this fake one but it’s annoying to me lol and shows me how lame Issa is, she gon fuck around and get fired from her real job that doesn’t even actually pay her if she isn’t careful

To help. That was actually a pretty shitty thing to do considering Andrew probably would not have been bothered (regardless if he could actually help or not) and what she conveyed to her was that I prioritize my new relationship with Andrew over my friendship with you.

Molly could have read her for filth about how much a mess she is and only reaching out for help but she still shouldn’t have let her closest friend potentially fail so hard at something so important to her on different levels

I know they aren’t on the best of terms but she didn’t mind trying to use Molly so I wouldn’t be shocked if she tried to reach out to Daniel since she’s desperate....

Only thing I thought though was maybe he isn’t famous enough to be a headliner which I get but he would at least be a good resource to reach out to other local artists...

Yeah that makes total sense.

might have possibly gotten famous then I don't see how reaching out to Daniel as a backup or to see if he had contacts with well known LA local artists is much worse. *Kanye shrug*

if he really blew up, wouldn’t she know about it?

Connects. She was desperate (and understandably so) so anything should have been on the table.

I get that, from a show perspective, they're probably building it up. But from a general friend perspective, the communication gap just keeps getting wider the longer they delay it. I think this is what ultimately led to Molly deciding not to ask Andrew to help Issa

Other than that, I'm glad Molly is being vulnerable and honest w Andrew and that, up to this point, they're continuing to be patient w each other and trying to build something real

Molly definitely cares more about their friendship right now and both of their care and value they see in their friendship has been diminished

her mirror chats and the phone calls had me dying...i love her comedic timing so much...she is really really good

d

Episode 1 this season, Molly told Issa she could use Andrew's contacts at Live Nation

by Episode 4, she felt like Issa was being an opportunist calling in for a favor since their relationship had been changing

I can see how Issa feels abandoned by Molly, but she's very caught up in her own world at the moment

next week is the block party and that's only halfway through the season, no clue where it's headed

^^^i have been watching each ep twice since s2, it’s so essential lol

I don't Molly for not hooking Isa up. But there were a couple of other ways to do it.

My wife suggestion was go to her guy and say, "my friend is mad janky, a bit of a mess, but do you mind talking to her and see if you want to help at all. No pressure if you don't"

My suggestion was to just say, "Sorry Isa, my dude can't help"

If you HAVE to tell the truth, she could have also gone with the "I am sorry Isa but we just got through a real rough patch and I am not comfortable asking",

But Molly did it in really the most dramatic way she could.

It's hilariously accurate because I see this with my wife frends ALL the time. They love to call each other up and announce that they don't want to be friends anymore with someone (and then eventually go back on it) rather than doing what dudes do in an undramatic fashion and just stop fking with someone like they use to without making an announcement.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

a “Miserable bitch”. I’m usually fighting her corner solo in my various group texts.

Anyway quick notes. So proud of molly for stretching herself to make her relationship with Andrew work and trying(even if after the fact) to see his POV. People are saying he’s not that into her and she’s gonna get crushed but I just see him as a being more laid back and going with the flow, taking cues from molly becuz she is the more high strung one.

Condola and Lawrence donezo and now condola is making both him
And Issa’s life a misery, think C was behind schoolboy q dropping out, regardless C is due a curse out from Issa

Nathan will make his reappearance at the block party, maybe even Daniel too! Lol

Kelli, Tiffany are the MVPs of the ep, listening but not getting involved. The after show indicating that they really use tiff and Derek to introduce a lot of issues that they can’t otherwise since the mains aren’t married or have kids, which I think is good.

>

The way this is headed is exactly the point: people who invest lots of time into one another can mess up in the silliest ways at the wrong time and break up relationships.

And we don't know. Things could still go super sideways/something bigger and badder could happen. I dig that they are giving us the block party so early in the season. The aftermath might be even better. And if they mess around and end up 'back friends' after a while of not being friends, folks are gonna be at the house snot bubble crying. And it will be good.

Hell, I figure folks will take Lawrence and Issa getting back together as a consolation depending on how it happens.

Season. maybe issa truly wants him back but he’s just sniffing back up her tree becuz she’s familiar and welcoming.

Lawerence can get his own spinoff or whatever becuz I know he’s a fan favorite (myself included) but them getting back together makes zero sense

every dude i know who used be out in these streets doing wild shit to/with women ONLY has daughters.

i know it's a not a rule of law, but i'll be damned if it doesn't happen WAAAAAAAAAY more often than not.

Like...Just no.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I wouldn't have believed it was possible until I saw it happen.

We joke about it often. The dad could make that joke, a friend of the dad would be f'd up to make that joke.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

But what can you do? You get what you get.

Line is still gross.

Point was made when he said earlier that all the women he dated were daughters. There was no need for that next line, didn’t even make the joke of “Look at my baby” “Please don’t make it” worth it.

Someone said below that Nas has a line about that idea, I know it, it’s from Daughters, “the cruelest heartbreakers in the world, God gets us back when we have precious little girls”.

Funny how Nas too can make the same point they already made on Insecure without having to resort to such a fucked up and unfunny line.

they take it there a lot.

Sure it was distasteful but I've heard it all before.

I don't know if the goal was to make a point or show how new dads talk some time.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

First it’s that well I don’t have brothers so I don’t get it...

Now it’s “well ya know now you know how men talk in private”...

I really don’t need you to keep trying to find new ways to invalidate my opinion that the line was trash and gross.

Doesn’t matter how many brothers I have, doesn’t matter if that’s just how niggas talk when women aren’t around, that doesn’t change my opinion that that line was gross and uncalled for and I don’t need you to keep replying with different reasons why I’m just not getting it or reasons why the line should be understood or given a pass.

most dudes I know with daughters don't even like to joke about shit like that whether its true or not lol...

>First it’s that well I don’t have brothers so I don’t
>get it...
>
>Now it’s “well ya know now you know how men talk in
>private”...
>
>I really don’t need you to keep trying to find new ways to
>invalidate my opinion that the line was trash and gross.
>
>Doesn’t matter how many brothers I have, doesn’t matter if
>that’s just how niggas talk when women aren’t around, that
>doesn’t change my opinion that that line was gross and
>uncalled for and I don’t need you to keep replying with
>different reasons why I’m just not getting it or reasons why
>the line should be understood or given a pass.

And they were saying, like I am sure is the case with many writers rooms, sometimes they have jokes or lines that sound great in their head but not on paper, sometimes sounds good on paper but not when the actors says them at table read, and sometimes great at table read but not during when the scene is being filmed.

Not sure where in the process this joke broke down lol (I personally am 100% sure it was during the first step) but I am DYING that folks in this thread are defending it with every breath...

Like damn nigga can't it just be that whoever wrote it has horrible taste in making jokes and that's an okay opinion to have?

Niggas gotta be right about everything and mansplain everything to the point that people can't even not like the tone of a joke?

FOH lol...

I am not trying to change your opinion. I am not even pushing back on it being gross. My only point is that its not uncommon for guys to talk like that.

You describe it as a fail but the joke might not have been for you but rather new dads who have been there.

Even in the process you describe for killing jokes doesn't apply here because it made it pass the writers stage, the table reading stage, even the filming stage and they still decided to keep the joke.

I get it. It's your post and you want the last word. So go for it.




>And they were saying, like I am sure is the case with many
>writers rooms, sometimes they have jokes or lines that sound
>great in their head but not on paper, sometimes sounds good on
>paper but not when the actors says them at table read, and
>sometimes great at table read but not during when the scene is
>being filmed.
>
>Not sure where in the process this joke broke down lol (I
>personally am 100% sure it was during the first step) but I am
>DYING that folks in this thread are defending it with every
>breath...
>
>Like damn nigga can't it just be that whoever wrote it has
>horrible taste in making jokes and that's an okay opinion to
>have?
>
>Niggas gotta be right about everything and mansplain
>everything to the point that people can't even not like the
>tone of a joke?
>
>FOH lol...


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Every dude who has a daughter has this thought at some point.

This is also a show where they have jokes during sex scenes. I really don’t see why it bothers you this much.

Was a bit weird. Like gross lol

Anyone else think that's crazy talk?

Like should a woman in Molly's position put a relationship before her career?


I mean it all struck home but I've been married to a lawyer and part of how it goes is the expectation that they will be working ALOT. It's why a lot of lawyers date other lawyers because they are familiar with the lifestyle.

Maybe Iam a little thrown because their relationship does not seem that serious at this point. You ain't going to the family thanksgiving but Molly suppose to make dude a priority over her career??!?




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I guess I am wondering if that's the expectations of dating these days.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

just that she is going to try and be better at committing to date nights.

For some people work is their life. I think that’s the case with Molly and if she wants a real relationship she is going to have to find a balance. Doesn’t have to be 50/50 either.. just make sure you are all in when in the presence of your SO.

and don’t invite your SO over if you are having a work night.

One other thing. See how shocked she was when he made plans because of how she was operating?

>One other thing. See how shocked she was when he made plans
>because of how she was operating?


I get you are all about your career, you just got to expect me to make other plans...and you can't expect me to drop everything when you just happen to have free time.

If YOU have free time, I should be a priority after work (maybe you right and that is what she mean), but I can't sit around and wait for you to be free.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and it’s one of the issues I run into at home. Women value their work. It makes them who they are a lot of times. The. They will turn around and ask you take a day off or ask why you work so much...

but flip it on them and it’s “because my career is important”

Just make sure you respect my time as well.

bed then she was like "wait, I gotta work, I should be done by 9" then came back to bed at 1:45am I would've been gone and it would've been over lol

Him that night but he didn’t actually lose out on anything either lol

then you can't be with an SO about they business....




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

either before he got there or right after he got there instead of jumping on him and getting in the bed lol.

Andrew obviously has other shit going on, she’s luck he didn’t leave.

She could’ve just told him to come over late night or tomorrow.

I like sex as much as the next man but I also like spending my nights doing more than waiting for you to finish working.

No job is 24 hrs a day. If you can't make time for me it's because you just dont want to. Not because you're busy with work.

its pretty simple. if you're the busy one, you figure out some time for the person you want time with.

I was dancing waiting on line to get into Trader Joe’s today... LOL!

i'd stub all my toes on the corner of a table leg for that job

We've been talking about Issa lately esp after seeing 'The Photograph'. Wife mentioned she had never seen ABG so we watched a few episodes

man.

that show has NOT aged well.

at. all.

But, you can see how it fit the time really well.

It had some really good jokes and concepts but the production, acting and writing got in the way of its greatness.

You could see the bones of Insecure in ABG.

Similarities they are completely different shows

student’s budget mostly.

Did you think it was going to be on par with the shit she’s doing on HBO?

Likes:

So great seeing Thug Yoda and loved the back and forth between Issa’s brother and Kelli. Too funny!

Love that she randomly decided to be British and had to stick to it. That truly is some shit I would do LOL.

Line of the night to me was Derek’s “STFU”—so over the top but so perfect for a sleep deprived parent lol.

I wonder if they are setting Tiffany up for having postpartum depression.

I liked that the Block Party was successful overall, that’s good.

Dislikes:

Not liking Condola’s scene. Just seems very unprofessional of her to dip because of a personal problem and I don’t think showing up day-of makes up for it.

Also I don’t fault Molly for snapping on Issa, yes her event is very important to her but Issa was wrong to go around her and it’s extra shitty she involved a nigga she hasn’t talked to in ages to do it, totally proves the point of her being a user.

I’m happy they had the scene where Andrew and Molly hug, shows you moving forward that what needs to be repaired is just Issa and Molly, not them PLUS Andrew and Molly.

But yeah, I think Issa was wrong to go to Andrew, and she KNEW it would be a messy situation once Molly found out, no matter when she found out, and the fact that Issa didn’t think to care that far ahead to realize there would be big beef again shows she’s a user that only thinks about herself and how she can get ahead, not about the feelings of others (another example: she obviously didn’t care that she would put Andrew in an awkward position and in the middle, she only cared about what she could get out of him regarding his connections).

>Likes:
>
>So great seeing Thug Yoda and loved the back and forth between
>Issa’s brother and Kelli. Too funny!

Yeah Amal and Kelli are always hilarious, I wouldn't be surprised if they messed around or it comes out they did in the past lol

>Love that she randomly decided to be British and had to stick
>to it. That truly is some shit I would do LOL.

but dude Kelli was with was dumb af anyway did he really say BOA was a branch of the government?

>Line of the night to me was Derek’s “STFU”—so over the
>top but so perfect for a sleep deprived parent lol.
>
>I wonder if they are setting Tiffany up for having postpartum
>depression.

yeah overall I could see Derek and Tiffany's "perfect" relationship having some issues

>I liked that the Block Party was successful overall, that’s
>good.
>
>Dislikes:
>
>Not liking Condola’s scene. Just seems very unprofessional
>of her to dip because of a personal problem and I don’t
>think showing up day-of makes up for it.

yeah that whole thing was weird I wonder if she was still working and doing stuff behind the scenes without talking to Issa.

>Also I don’t fault Molly for snapping on Issa, yes her event
>is very important to her but Issa was wrong to go around her
>and it’s extra shitty she involved a nigga she hasn’t
>talked to in ages to do it, totally proves the point of her
>being a user.

agree 100% but for whatever reason a lot of women I know don't see it that way lol

>I’m happy they had the scene where Andrew and Molly hug,
>shows you moving forward that what needs to be repaired is
>just Issa and Molly, not them PLUS Andrew and Molly.

I still thing Andrew is a playa and got some other stuff going on lol

>But yeah, I think Issa was wrong to go to Andrew, and she KNEW
>it would be a messy situation once Molly found out, no matter
>when she found out, and the fact that Issa didn’t think to
>care that far ahead to realize there would be big beef again
>shows she’s a user that only thinks about herself and how
>she can get ahead, not about the feelings of others (another
>example: she obviously didn’t care that she would put Andrew
>in an awkward position and in the middle, she only cared about
>what she could get out of him regarding his connections).

I agree that Issa is a user that thinks she can treat her friends any kind of way then still expect them to be there for her whenever she needs something. I know people like that IRL lol.

Also when Issa is focused on something it seems like she literally blacks out on everything else, did she ever get the water at her building fixed? lol

I definitely think Issa is selfish and narcissistic but that ain't new.

I also see both sides of the use Andrew argument. Issa needed help so she got it, but Molly felt like Issa went around her.

I get it.

But really what this was about was a friendship that's going through some things, and this was a tipping point. In another context, it might not have been that big a deal.

Seems to me that they are both maturing and don't know how to build a friendship as their new, more mature selves since they were so codependent.

Not really but here are my only thoughts

I think Molly's unwillingness to help was, on top of the resentment that was growing, rooted in a lack of faith in Issa's ability to pull the block party off, which is why she didn't want her or her mans to have anything to do w its success or failure. It seemed that while they were at the event, before that moment, to some extent she gained trust in Issa as a person again

Although I didn't agree w the boundary Molly set, she did set it. I don't entirely agree w Issa doing it the way she did, but she had exhausted all known resources, and as someone who has planned smaller scale events before, I can't completely be mad at her for doing it the way she did. It makes it even more weird that it was only a matter of Andrew sending an email (which Molly probably would've known had she at least tried to bring it up, but that's neither here nor there at this point).

Molly confronting her right then and there was wayyyyy out of pocket. Although Issa has been known to be a "user" in the past, I don't think it was fair to call her one in this instance. Calling someone in that event planning space a user is a slippery slope that seems to imply that you're "using" anyone you're not paying (IMO)

One, women are hella messy lol

Also think it was low key shady for Issa to go Andrew through Nathan after Molly told her no at the same time I feel like Molly overreacted.

if that's your BEST friend and you want them to succeed, you link them with Andrew, relationship or not.

that's why Issa went the back channels to Andrew because she felt like Molly gave her a fuck you first by just not linking it in the first place.

BUT, like I said WAY above, Molly is a bum ass friend who hates on her creative friends because she wants to be free like them.

edit: what i said but in a tweet - https://twitter.com/JamalJimoh/status/1259702093545267201

until she needed her then she hit her up like "hey bestie can you do this for me?" I don't blame Molly for saying no. I hate wishy-wash ass people like that who only reach out when they need something from you.

damn near all of her interactions are using people to get what she needs.

Issa has never come off as a user just because she was struggling and receiving help from people who she thought had her back

and they've gone to me for help, advice, even money.

i never once thought or felt like they were using me.

if i did, why are we friends?

you supposed to help your friends, and vice versa.

says some of the exact same things lol

so they don’t see her flaws.

or maybe some people just wired different when it comes to friendships and relationships.

Cause these 2 are the same one who didn’t think Issa chilling with Condola after she found out she was dating Lawrence. Which I don’t think anyone would actually do IRL unless they were messy or desperate for a friendship

or wasn’t happy about being asked for help but he was cool with it

I get it tho from Molly. She wanted Andrew to herself and Issa overstepped.

If I’m Issa tho, I don’t give a fuck because I have to make my first show a success.

That link definitely shows Molly been ride or die with Issa while Issa has been shady af towards her.

I’m not sure Molly is hating because her friend is creative. I think it’s all the other stuff besides the Black party that pissed her off. You gonna buddy buddy with the person I introduce you too AFTER finding out she is dating Lawrence?? Cancelling dates and changing plans to hang with that new broad? Okay.. when it all goes south who is Issa gonna call to help bring her back together?

>If I’m Issa tho, I don’t give a fuck because I have to
>make my first show a success.

She decided that show was more important than her friendship which is a grown woman decision but you have to deal with the aftermath

But..yeah.

No way I can have my first show bomb because my friend, who in my distorted view, has been acting funky and won’t help me out.

>No way I can have my first show bomb because my friend, who
>in my distorted view, has been acting funky and won’t help
>me out.
>
>

It’s not like Issa didn’t have a connect to Andrew. She just tried with Molly and Molly said no.

but yeah... your friendship isn’t more important than my show bombing. Molly got money. Issa broke af.

and the show is about the community too so Molly kinda forced Issa to make a hard decision.

>Molly got money. Issa broke af.

I feel like people need to go back and watch past seasons because Molly has done a whole lot of shit for Issa lol

Now that Issa has put on a block party she doesn't need Molly anymore?

but the point is Issa finally had a passion for something, dedicated her time and was successful doing it.

Then Molly happened.

people that are willing to shit on friends and family for their current “passion” are shady to me, because 9 times out of 10 they come crawling back, we saw that with Issa in the last episode lol...

>but the point is Issa finally had a passion for something,
>dedicated her time and was successful doing it.
>
>Then Molly happened.

for something I think you could wait until tomorrow to cal her out over contacting Andrew.

and to be clear, Molly said she didn’t feel comfortable asking Andrew..

So Issa found someone else who was comfortable doing it.

My question to you.. if you are Andrew do you feel like Issa did Molly wrong?

>for something I think you could wait until tomorrow to cal
>her out over contacting Andrew.
>
>and to be clear, Molly said she didn’t feel comfortable
>asking Andrew..
>
>So Issa found someone else who was comfortable doing it.
>
>My question to you.. if you are Andrew do you feel like Issa
>did Molly wrong?

I think dude is shady too, how did he not mention to Molly that he was doing a “favor” for her “best friend”?

>if that's your BEST friend and you want them to succeed, you
>link them with Andrew, relationship or not.

LMAO Issa for sure has not been acting like a best friend, Molly wanted to talk to Issa multiple times but Issa kept finding ways out of it, first by inviting Condola to their lunch and then totally bailing on her for pie time/talking it out.

Issa never once tried to set up another time to talk, which would have showed Molly that she cared and valued the friendship, and the one time she finally does pick up the phone to call Molly it ISN'T to reschedule their talk but to ask for a favor, which is a very shitty thing to do and not the way a BFF should act.

So this idea that Molly should be a BFF to Issa when Issa clearly doesn't know how to be a BFF to Molly is really laughable to me.

i'm just speaking of Molly hating on Issa's success creatively.

BOTH of em could have just been mature and been like "let's hammer this awkwardness out, we're best friends for years we should be able to talk to each other."

and to your point, i do think Issa has dodged that to a point, but if * I * was in her shoes dealing with putting together a whole damn festival? i might not have the energy to invest in fixing a friendship RIGHT now.

also, FWIW, sometimes people grow apart. even BEST friends. maybe the friendship don't need fixing, maybe it's doing what it do.

Is there a back story to this or are you projecting?

she was all fine with Issa being the screwed up one, having no real direction, and being the person Issa would come to in order to fix Issa's life.

because, Molly, in her own mind and usually in the view of others, is the pretty, successful person who has their life together and because they "have it all figured out" are the ones who fix the broken people. but, she's stuck in the corporate rut - successful on paper but wants more and isn't getting it.

thus, when Issa finally finds a direction for herself, and then starts to make GOOD on that direction, and stops running to and relying on Molly for her to fix Issa's life, that's when Molly starts acting funky.

call it projecting or whatever, that shit is so real.

a story in two tweets:

https://twitter.com/JamalJimoh/status/1259898759317618699

https://twitter.com/JamalJimoh/status/1259708542543515649

Now I do think Molly is pissed that Issa doesn’t have time for her anymore.

and to find out she is spending that time with Condola who was dating Lawrence was some “really bitch?” for Molly.

But I don’t think it’s because Issa is doing something creative. It’s more so because Issa is kinda doing what Molly does which is throw herself into her work and putting their friendship on hold.

and didn’t Molly introduce Condola to Issa? If she really wanted Issa to fail she wouldn’t have made that introduction.

If anything it’s Condola ghosting Issa, her shit fell thru with the headliner and then Issa finally calls Molly to clean shit up.

connections in the beginning.

If she wanted Issa to fail she wouldn't have done that, nor stuck around to help her clean up after the mixer to get Block Party sponsors, nor even introduced her to Condola in the first place...

Molly has just wanted Issa to make time for her to talk about their issues and when Issa kept blowing her off that's when she started to get upset, which I think is totally fair.

This whole "Molly wants Issa to fail" thing sounds good in theory sure but when you start to look at the evidence it just doesn't add up.

that's what's going on here IMO.

she wanted Issa to succeed until she actually did.

she wants her to succeed, but knows Issa is messy. Molly's issue is Issa going through her 'boyfriend' to get it done. she thinks Issa might mess up or at least interrupt her situation with ol' boy.

Remember that Molly wouldn't even know Andrew if not for Issa's connection to Nathan. If she only knew Andrew because of Molly, then I'd assign her some blame, but she had an independent connection.

His entire life ain't off limits just because yall are dating now.

Anyone who introduced me to someone who became an SO didn’t get extra chances to shit on our friendship.

She tried to include Molly, who refused. So she went back to her original connection to him. She didn't go behind Molly's back to contact dude through some back channel covert shit, she just used another mutual connection.

For the record I woulda contacted Andrew directly regardless because I can’t have a shitty first show.

But the fact she went thru her own connections really does help her case.

>She didn't go behind Molly's
>back to contact dude through some back channel covert shit,

When I'm in a relationship with someone, I don't own their life and their interactions. My SO can move independent of my permission.

I have a feeling that is a man in a relationship (with a woman) said to anyone - "you can only deal with her through me from now own because that's my woman now" - then people would view it differently.

>When I'm in a relationship with someone, I don't own their
>life and their interactions. My SO can move independent of my
>permission.
>
>I have a feeling that is a man in a relationship (with a
>woman) said to anyone - "you can only deal with her through me
>from now own because that's my woman now" - then people would
>view it differently.

if your friend asks you to ask your SO to do something and you say no and they go behind your back to reach out to your SO anyway that's shady no matter how you try to frame it lol

People act like that block party was an actual job and Issa was going to make millions off of it and not need her friends anymore.

After that block party she's still going to be broke ass, under-employed ass Issa eating microwave cheese tortillas and needing her friends with actual jobs to bail her out after she makes poor decisions.

>After that block party she's still going to be broke ass,
>under-employed ass Issa eating microwave cheese tortillas and
>needing her friends with actual jobs to bail her out after she
>makes poor decisions.

you typin like she kicked your dog.

if you watch the "wine down" episodes after the show

lol.

some people just started watching this season lol

and looking at all those vendors it’s easy to get funding for next year..

That’s where you start scraping money off the grants and shit.

But you have to actually be successful to get momentum.

Anyway.. as far as going behind my friends back. If I know them niggas already in not going behind your back, I’m just doing business.

>
>Anyway.. as far as going behind my friends back. If I know
>them niggas already in not going behind your back, I’m just
>doing business.
>
>

It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

I put myself in her shoes after watching the episode, and all I could think was:

1-I'd actually feel bad/embarassed that I'd refused to help, in hindsight, and that my friend's shady married ex was even more supportive than I'd been as her (supposed) friend

and

2- It would've touched me that my man could have my friend's back like that, and not only made me like him more but also shown me that I was kinda making it about me when I'd refused to ask him for her in the first place. He literally thought nothing of it and was happy to help. Talk about a reality check.


I probably would've taken a moment to admit to myself I was the one in the wrong, congratulated Issa (given the fun time I had and how well the event went), and apologized for not helping how I could with that one little but crucial thing when the shit was about to fall apart *shrug* After that, I'm sure it'd probably only take one additional heart-to-heart to restore peace/love in the(their) circle.

In contrast, I feel like the way Molly handled it was the most histrionic controlling burn-it-all-down shit ever. lol

Andrew made a good point too when he and Molly were on the couch, analogizing that Issa being laser focused on trying to make the block party a success isn't unlike the way Molly immerses herself in her legal work. Furthermore, Molly's kinda inconsistent with the boundaries-you-went-behind-my-back talk considering *she herself* curved Nathan on Issa's behalf behind Issa's back last season. It's as tho it's all good to fuck boundaries when she's the one stepping in to parent Issa, but when Issa skirts a boundary to get hers and be in control of her life Molly has an issue.

They have an odd dynamic in their friendship where one always needs to be looking down on the other (eg. In earlier seasons, Issa was mad judgy about Molly's sex/dating life when she was still with Lawrence. And now, Molly's acting all holier than thou about Issa's life now that she's in a relationship). I don't think they're outgrowing each other per se just that they both need to outgrow that competitive bullshit.

>When I'm in a relationship with someone, I don't own their
>life and their interactions. My SO can move independent of my
>permission.
>

and I think that’s the biggest issue people have with Molly. She always seems to fuck up a good time or a good vibe.

and I think that’s Molly’s biggest flaw. If it ain’t about her... it’s not important or she throws a fit.

I still feel she was right to have a problems with Issa's moves but IRL it probably would've more like Molly thinking to herself like "oh really? noted" then it coming up later but like I've said everything seems rushed this season.

At the end of the day the show is titled Insecure and all of the characters have their issues.

I still stand by if your "friend" goes around you to contact your SO about ANYTHING that's a violation.

.

If Molly had a good point about going behind her back to Andrew (which I really don't think she does), she threw it all away by confronting girl and trying to fight her at her own event.

I like it when it's a little more complicated but this was easily 90% Molly wrong and 10% Isa wrong for being slick.

Nope. More I think about it, Isa wasn't even slick. Molly's position is she didn't want to mix business with her relationship. Isa said cool and used another connection she had for strictly a business transaction without trying to call in any favors.

If my show depended on it, I definitely would have done the same.

Now not sure why Andrew didn't tell Molly he was helping Isa but....the way Molly acted at the end would be some serious red flags.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

or he knew Molly would flip out

I don’t remember who told who in that scene but it was odd he wouldn’t say anything about it to Molly in private.

then again it’s not a big deal to anyone but Molly.

talking to him until she needed to connect to Andrew. Just like she wasn’t interested in dealing with Daniel until she needed a place to stay.

This is a pattern with her and it’s funny people can’t see it.

I give her a pass for that one.

want to deal with him until she needed something from his friend then she IG-stalked him after she struck out with all her other “friends”.

She is a user.

Or even if they just remain friends ... do you still think she used him?

saying some wild shit next week to confirm she was using him.

Nathan: we should hang out

Issa: uhhh Nathan, I just contacted you to get a headliner.. duhhh. (Hangs up phone)

They coulda kept this filler ass episode!

I am not here for watching Issa World’s Tour Of Random Acts of Kindness That Backfire.

We gained very little from this episode, other than getting confirmation that she plans to continue being an event planner (or “cultural curator” which is cute I guess), she doesn’t think she used Nathan (although I’m sure she is just saying that to him so that she can make sure he’s available to use again in the future), and despite not listening to her mom when she said to stay and host Stanley’s side of family for Thanksgiving she’s gonna go to her when she’s sad and lonely while ignoring everyone else (I get it, everyone likes to be comforted by their mama but once again Issa’s doing her user Issa thing again).

I think the realization that the group didn’t want to be real friends with her and that they were just doing it for a scavenger hunt is a silly, I guess it’s supposed to show her who her “real friends” are and that they can’t be so quickly and easily replaced but it didn’t do anything for me.

I understand not wanting to immediately patch things up with Molly and needing to decompress so I’m happy they tried to focus on just Issa this episode but I wasn’t feeling Issa continuously saying she is tired of being the one reaching out to apologize, I don’t even know if that’s literally true (I’m sure someone knows if this is the case if you add up all their arguments over the course of the series) but given that it was Issa’s fault most recently that she kept not making time to hash things out with Molly it looks extra immature and silly of her to lean on that excuse now.

and trying find new friends.

She basically admitted to using Nathan but he played it off because he’s trying to get back them draws

She didn’t want to say anything Molly because she was scared of catching them hands lol

Looks like next week’s episode focuses on Molly

You said she discussed it after the episode last week on the after show.

Hilarious how people are in here saying she isn’t a user and she basically admits it the next week.

She isn’t doing nice things because she is nice..

She’s doing it to try and change that negative energy.

Almost forgot how she finally focused on building off the momentum from the black party towards the end. Hooking people up with businesses they like but have no idea how to find. Which should lead to a blog or some other website that has info on cool shit in LA.

I was dying at old dude.. nigga it’s cold, nigga it’s a furnace.. split the difference”

Kelly called her
her mom congratulated and comforted her
Nathan called
she replied to Facebook messages about the event

I agree it was filler, but sometimes you need a day to decompress and figure shit out after a traumatic blowup with a best friend and gunshots going off at your event

People thought Molly had a gun.

Issa of all people knew she didn't have a gun...

Also yes I agree sometimes you need a day to decompress but we only get 8 episodes every 10 years lol, and this year it happens to be 10, and for the wait we should have something happening every episode regarding moving the plot along, IMHO.

slamming a trash can or truck door

but that shot sounded like a gun shot.

Enjoyed it. Very random but it felt like Issa's take on an episode of Atlanta in LA.

The two leads of the show just had a major blow up. It makes sense to give them at least one episode, if not a couple, of them taking a breather.

I also just genuinely enjoyed the characters we met in this ep. George refusing to give her the address because the GPS would report it to the government made me cackle. Kyla Pratt's character's proposal with the pills...lord.

Also, just in terms of getting some solidity on how Issa is growing, it was good to hear her state what her career goals were and feel some pride in that. Though those girls ended up being foul, they gave her an opportunity to say the scary thing out loud and have pride it in. The block party started off as a project that might be able to be extended into a path. That's exciting, imo. Not filler.

I think this is the first one-on-one we've seen with Issa's mother, no? The talk between Issa and her mom was like a callback to the S3 talk between Lawrence and his father. The child stating their impression of who the parent was at their age/in their situation, and the parent consoling them by confessing the real shit that went down. I actually really love it that this season is giving us sincere one-on-ones between Issa and other members of her family.

Didn't advance the storyline. Wasn't terrible in itself, but when a series only gives you 8 thirty minute episodes almost 2 years apart, you kinda want to make sure every episode adds to the story.

I guess I also didn't buy the girls ditching her like that. It seemed too trifling for grown-ass middle-class women to do out of town on a bridal shower just for fun. Didn't feel true to life. Also didn't dig it if their is suppose to be a lesson behind it.

I don't think Issa is a user. I think she did Daniel dirty, I don't mind if she asked deep voice brother for help. I think of a user is someone who tries to manipulate people to get what she wants and is often disingenuous. I think of her more as a chick whose life isn't together so she is constantly in need of help. I friend like that can feel as exhausting as a User but there is a difference of intent.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She’s desperate for that type of energy that the DC girls gave her. For her to get played like that was hilarious and cruel.. but you could see she was envious of their friendship.

Also think trying to do good deeds was because she does feel guilt about only being seen as a user. You may not like the word but it’s obvious it’s on her mind. She had all that time to call Nathan but only called when she was desperate.

That’s using people. It’s not mad dirty but if the only time you call people is when you have to ask for shit... welp.

Ionno. I didn’t mind this episode cause old dude had my crying real tears.

I think the overall premise is Issa was still only doing nice things to try and get some positive energy and not because she actually wanted to do nice things because she has a good heart. Which is why shit kept falling apart.

nm

>
>I guess I also didn't buy the girls ditching her like that.
>It seemed too trifling for grown-ass middle-class women to do
>out of town on a bridal shower just for fun. Didn't feel true
>to life. Also didn't dig it if their is suppose to be a
>lesson behind it.
>

That just not how middle class Black women conduct themselves. Unless they are clinical sociopaths. If anything they would have pulled her in on it “like ok girl we doing our bridal party scav., ur the stranger we befriended, now we bout to dine and dash so you can leave now or get with it”

I think it going the way it did was just that Issa could truly have the worst day after such a high and have no one to go to but her mom

that's the same restaurant Issa and Molly ate at on the show's pilot

Issa is successful now and feeling unsupported, yet shit was all good when she was struggling and depending on Molly for help

I can imagine she has been grinding for years and her corporate safe job friends helping her out of pity but didn't know how to handle her success.

Wasn't someone else posting complaining about how hard it is to be a creative with non-creative friends?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

did she make any money off this? Didn't it take her like 8 months to plan? Is Condola coming back to help her plan the next one?

For the reasons you mentioned.

That is, I am not sure if the block party has significantly changed the trajectory of her life any.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Her FB or IG feed showed how successful it is and she can build off that if she plays it right.

but financially, if she didn’t lose money.. she was successful.

I think this is pretty clear. She started with a scrappy, youtube show using only people in her circle, asking friends for help and finding her way despite missteps.

Enough people felt like it was speaking to an unmet audience. Just like on the show.

That is how anything gets done.

Issa's story is inspiring because she proves that you can rise off the sofa to the boardroom. I hope we continue to see Issa's character go to high places. From not being able to afford Coachella to becoming a major player in events.

I need more stories than, "My parents were born rich" and that is why I am successful. They are boring and predictable. I'd rather see the nitty gritty rise. A classic American success story.

if offering to help a pregnant woman (knowing the money is on another card) and footing the bill after the engagement party skipped out are metrics of success, she's come a long way from sleeping on couches and barely affording Coachella

She also had to put back food when she was with Molly in the supermarket a few episodes back and had to keep exchanging clothes because she couldn’t afford new ones.

So she for sure is not successful now.

She also spent the entire episode trying to “help” people but she only was trying to prove to herself she wasn’t a user (of course, she is), so using the fact that she was gonna incur more debt solely to prove a point to herself as being evidence of being now successful is silly.

Block Party could yield some new work by coordinating events sure but there’s no proof of that just yet and even if that were to happen you’re right the majority of that was Condola who she doesn’t have now.

I hope the Block Party success does open doors for her but right now she’s still the same Issa that doesn’t have $155 free on one credit card and is still, per her talk with the crazy old man, doing Lyft to get by.

Hell, all you need is the hook up the first time. It’s not like the vendors won’t return Issa’s call because Condola isn’t there.

I agree tho, success doesn’t mean she got it like that. She pulled it off but she still in the struggle.

Now she needs to focus on building off that momentum.

It’s a building block that could change her life completely

Anyone who used to promote shows will tell you that you are only as successful as your last show.

>Anyone who used to promote shows will tell you that you are
>only as successful as your last show.

if they are just starting out and don't have another significant source of income.

Unless you are on some 10 years in SXSW or Burning Man you are usually lucky to break even.

One bad show can ruin your rep or have you running for cover.

seems like writing just got better

George has to come back. He was out of control and who knows
what his story entails. I need more LA Black people stories.
All we usually see are black gang bangers but this episode
gave Los Angeles more character. 

Dying. 

Thanks for the correction

That was...a snorefest of an episode.

Pushing the show forward-wise we learn that Andrew rides hard for Molly, even siding with her over his brother (that’s good that the show didn’t make her “outburst” a reason he breaks up with her), she’s gonna go back to therapy, and that Nathan and Issa are hanging out again.

And...That’s about it. Meh.

Can’t say this episode was a total waste but I just didn’t find this A Day in the Life of Molly all that interesting, and that’s coming from someone who in general is Team Molly.

Not super feeling them making this episode a Mexican lady vs Black lady and then Black lady versus Asian guy thing, I wish her issue didn’t have all these racist vibes, but eh maybe other people thought it was interesting.

I don’t care about Lawrence and I think he should be off the show so didn’t care that he popped up at the end (shout out to Jay Ellis for his directorial debut though)...

I imagine they had that nugget of Andrew telling Molly Nathan was going through some mental health stuff because that’s gonna come up whenever Molly and Issa have their inevitable fight/reconciliation but eh I don’t really care about that tidbit either, because it makes Molly look wrong for sending him away even though he was trying to process all that but she was just trying to protect her friend and to make it a “she’s gonna end up feeling guilty because she didn’t know he was going through it” thing feels like a sucky thing to do to her character.

I liked that we picked up where last week’s episode left off at the Ethiopian spot. I woulda bet money that they were gonna show her smiling at her phone at old pics of her and Issa and have her reminiscing on their fun times together but I woulda lost that bet lol and I find it funny they didn’t even show a version of that scene of her smiling at her phone in this episode.

Good things: nice seeing Kim Fields back in action and....now I really want some Mexican food?

That’s all I got.

Unfortunately some amongst minority groups have prejudices against other minority groups. It’s just a reality. And sometimes we can be trigger by a lot of different things

The first meeting.

To say but molly shouldn’t have went so hard. That’s every Black person’s fear dating outside of their race, convos like that lol. (Well let me not say every Black person’s, some don’t give a fuck”

I loved the beginning, showing that molly did see Issa and saw Issa heading the other way.

Hope they get right.

Ok I’m done. I’m glad that more caveat was added to the whole Nathan is a fuckboy who ghosted. Even before last season ended I think they laid the seeds for it to be mental health related

Truth teller!

As for the rest I think Molly was forced to the realization that if you’re going to be in an interracial relationship you have to surrender at least a portion of your black card.

She just didn’t have a car to jump into.

Ready for the convo. Issa wasn’t

But instead of facing Issa then, she turned around and acted like she didn’t see her. If Molly wouldn’t have turned her back and had given Issa eye contact, I might have a different opinion.

Character development is so important to any great show. This show is hitting on all cylinders as I said before, laughs, turmoil, heartache

“Connections” and “who you know” are so valued.

But that shows that Molly’s words and opinions definitely carry so much weight for Issa and vice versa

Mom. Well maybe ahmal’s

The problem with this scene to me is we didn’t see the whole interaction between the white couple and the towel lady so we can’t truly say if Molly was wrong or not.

As it stands it just looks like she’s assuming she didn’t check their keycard but accusing towel lady of racism without seeing the entire interaction doesn’t quite make sense and I put that on the writers and not the character Molly.

Insecure often doesn’t like to show entire scenes or they cut out right before we think a scene should end, but in THIS instance they should have shown us the whole interaction.

Regardless of what may or may not have happened with the White couple, the girl was following the policy. Now in reality most all inclusives have u wear wrist bands but u do have to sometimes turn over a towel key. The worker was being pressed but molly could have been salty and just went a got a card and made a little comment or hit the Karen
And ask to speak to her manager lol

i used to work in hospitality and if you knew someone was staying with you, you'd definitely overlook certain procedures to enhance customer service/convenience.

that said, give Molly a damn towel. i don't care what the policy is you think there's just a random black lady roaming the resorts trying to hustle enough towels to stock her linen closet? she's wet and in a bathing suit, you think this is some elaborate ruse?

so, from Molly's POV, i can see how she could feel it was racist, and maybe the towel lady was just being racist.

Like it’s fur coats and shit.

I think the whole point was how difficult it is to deal with microagressions when in an inter-racial relationship.

We've all been in that situation where you felt like you were being treated differently because you are black but its not so blatant and it would be hard to prove that it was. You can expect a black partner to get it. And you can have a non-black SO who gets it, but then trying to deal with the SOs friends and family and it can get awkward.

My wife and I disagreed because I thought the Asian Brother was the bigger dickhead for pressing the issue and having a philosophical discussion about race when she was heated in the moment. My wife felt Molly was more in the wrong for losing her shit on the brother. Then it got compounded by Molly making some broad generalization about Asian people that was messed up to say to 3 Chinese people including 2 who were supporting her.

Man I was watching the whole episode with a knot in belly because I was just waiting to see how Molly would bring her drama to the trip. But when it happened I felt bad for her because I can 100% see it going down like that and, IMHOP, she wasn't that wrong to be upset about it. It's funny because Molly is incapable of just say "oh word" when Brother was being a dickhead and bringing it up later to her boyfriend which would have been the mature way to handle. Oh well.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

you have to ready to surrender at least part of your black card and be willing to pick your battles and let some shit slide because some people just won't "get it" no matter how empathetic or understanding they are. Some black folks don't get it.

a relationship.

While that person was empathic there were still times when she couldn’t understand my frustration.. and vice versa.

Didn’t feel like having that convo over and over again for shit that was obvious.

What’s really fucked up is the towel was for his brothers wife.

But dude is one of those “everything isn’t about race” assholes.

What upset me the most is my wife and I were supposed to be in Mexico this week at an all-inclusive and I was wondering if we would have that type of interaction and fuck up our trip.

People really out here scamming for towels like that?

>What’s really fucked up is the towel was for his brothers
>wife.
>
>But dude is one of those “everything isn’t about race”
>assholes.
>
>What upset me the most is my wife and I were supposed to be in
>Mexico this week at an all-inclusive and I was wondering if we
>would have that type of interaction and fuck up our trip.
>
>People really out here scamming for towels like that?

Right, I've been to resorts in Jamaica but not Mexico plus several pools at high end hotels in the US and I don't recall them policing TOWELS like that.

At a resort its not like you have a whole lot of random people wandering in off the street and even still I would think most places would prefer to give you a towel than have you dripping all the way through the hotel back to your room to get a key lol.

Mofo that likes to play “devil advocate” to get people riled up ( a lot of these here at Okp so we know the type) or feels Black folks “complain” about racism too much. Either of which struck me as completely authentic and convos like that happen in the real world all the time, even with interracial friend groups.

Molly of course took it way too far. U gotta bring that shit in at times. Getting to the point where u tell ur SO’s brother fuck you is way too far for meeting 1

>Mofo that likes to play “devil advocate” to get people
>riled up ( a lot of these here at Okp so we know the type) or
>feels Black folks “complain” about racism too much. Either
>of which struck me as completely authentic and convos like
>that happen in the real world all the time, even with
>interracial friend groups.
>
>Molly of course took it way too far. U gotta bring that shit
>in at times. Getting to the point where u tell ur SO’s
>brother fuck you is way too far for meeting 1

people who are just shit starters and like to say shit to get people riled up and where most people will just roll their eyes and keep it moving there are those "take no shit" kind of people who will go IN and whenever those 2 types meet its always fireworks lol.

But I also feel like Andrew's brother and wife were also playing the "we're minorities too(when its convenient for us)" card.

of course people will say she was doing too much but when you are the darkest one in the room/pool of course you will feel like people are downplaying your experience.

Then you have the happy Asian dude playing the Carlton Banks role talking about “she was just doing her job..”

FOH.

Sometimes you just want an ally in this situation but nah.. people want to challenge you

said Yall only minorities when it is convenient.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Molly when she started making generalizations about Asians (which even Andrew gagged slightly at) and saying the whole speak English thing (there’s a way to convey don’t leave me out of this convo as we all have a stake now without going MAGA and saying speak English...however when u heated u don’t always think about all that lol)

Plus she was coming at her husband’s throak so a lil defense is to be expected. She was sympathetic to molly at first at least

another language. That immediately makes me think I’m being called some shit I wouldn’t appreciate in English.

That’s some passive aggressive shit.

That convo, becuz he was tryna check his brother with out embarrassing him but it definitely made Molly feel more isolated and made the sitch worst.

Still “speak English” I think is probably as triggering for some as saying ‘you people‘ is for us

rude.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

He said Devil's Advocate himself at least twice that episode lol, it seemed pretty clear the kind of character they were making him out to be. Especially when he'd go back and forth from trying to make a point about it being how you respond to racism and not letting it get to you, but also implying it wasn't racist.

Smart, attractive, successful (none-black) man drops out of the sky, has no hoes, no drama, immediately goes all the way in for Molly even with all her bullshit, and always does and says the right things?

Feels a little forced and too on the nose for me, especially when I take into account Issa Rae's prior comments about black woman/Asian men relationships.

Like by the end of season dude will be over her drama.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

they're not a believable couple to me, seems forced. what did issa say about black
women/asian men?

Point for Andrew and that may stay with him for a while and turn her off of her. He’s extremely patient but everyone has their limits and that type of stuff can kill love. His energy seemed off when they were walking and holding hands when they got back to LAX.

That will crush Molly. I’m not looking forward to it

wanting to have a deeper than sex relationship to being this super understanding boyfriend lol

"This is why I propose that black women and Asian men join forces in love, marriage and procreation," Rae wrote. "Educated black women what better intellectual match for you than an Asian man? And I'm not talking about Filipino's, they're like the Blacks of Asians. I'm talking Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese, et cetera."

the whole premise of that punch line is the actual discussion about how asian men and black women are statistically the most ignored groups of either sex on dating sites and whatnot.

have a thing for asian men, there was the teacher dude in the earlier seasons that was trying to get with Molly also lol

Miss the nuance of the characters and I expect miss the nuance and complexity of human beings in general. That’s concerning. But I’ll leave it at that.

this relationship has been like this from day one lol

super-annoying way before the pool incident.

Even though I know people do it that's probably why its not always a good idea to go on vacation with people you've never met lol.

Its different if you just meet up somewhere and people go their separate ways but if you have an itinerary where you're expected to be together all day every day that can be intense...

I know I know, Molly is a grown ass woman who can say no to any previously planned event that the brother planned, or could have for sure said she didn't want to participate in any of the planned excursions from the jump, but since Andrew knew how intense his bro can be with the planning methinks he should have stepped in way before the vacation took place to put a muzzle on doing too much.

And I know as the audience we saw that scene where he was trying to get out of the massages but I also think it is on him to, since he knows his girlfriend's temperament, to know when to tell bro to fall back on the event planning and went to join in.

quick with her actual friends so he should’ve seen that coming lol

Was it an annual thing?

I missed that detail but it seemed like they had to play along because it’s an annual thing.

That ain’t a vacation if you have to keep a strict ass schedule. That’s work in a nice location

.

You gotta ease people into vacationing together.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Condola?

You and using ur network to get things done. Issa should be 100 percent celebrated for how the block party turned out. She had an idea and pulled the right Human Resources together to execute it.

Yes she met condola by chance but she flipped that into something awesome and potentially life changing for her. All her stakeholders got something out of it too.


I think the “problem” is with watching this show as that Ppl circle the wagons for their “team” and say Issa all good Molly all bad or vice versa. Issa did betray Molly by going behind her back (I don’t even see how that’s disputed) but molly was still dead wrong to address her that way at that moment. That shit coulda waited.

I definitely like molly(I think “team molly” ppl are generally in the minority) way more this season than Issa but I can see they both have positives and negatives, like we all do.

watch season 1-3 and despite their issues Molly has been ride or die for Issa the whole time.

Molly was #TeamLawrence and tried to tell Issa not to fuck up her relationship with Daniel and she was right. And people were on Molly for sending Nathan away on Issa’s birthday but when Molly tried to run interference with Daniel when he showed up at Issa’s fundraiser when Lawrence was there people were clapping lol.

She treated Issa to a Moroccan evening when Issa couldn’t afford to go. Paid Issa to run errands for when Issa was broke, drove her back to LA from Malibu to see Lawrence and sat with her on the couch outside with a bottle of wine but he was gone. Took Issa to the Last Dragon shoeing for her birthday lol. Encouraged her when Issa was depressed about her professional situation but people try to insinuate that Molly was “jealous” of her lol.

Issa on the other hand used Molly, Lawrence, Daniel, Nathan, Condola, Mr Gaines lol...pretty much everybody she comes in contact with lol

When she sent Nathan away that day. No matter how much Issa thinks it wouldn’t have, seeing him would have ruined her whole day. Molly is mos def a great friend and protective of Issa.

That’s also why I think molly would have otherwise helped Issa when she asked about Andrew getting a headliner but she was just in a hurt/petty place and was like
Naw u been curving me and I’m not gonna help you this 1000th time since you playing me to the left.

The optimist in me hopes they work it out by the end of the season and it doesn’t carry over into S5

so I think this is why it’s hard for people to see her as a user. They see her as a victim or poor choices and/or the awkward broke chick.

Molly been loyal as hell but since she pops off every now and then people see her as lacking compassion or being the angry miserable black woman.

They all got issues tho.. would t be a show without their messy drama.

all probably see a little bit of ourselves in Issa at some some point in our lives lol...

But like I've said before the name of the show is Insecure and all of the characters have issues...

>so I think this is why it’s hard for people to see her as a
>user. They see her as a victim or poor choices and/or the
>awkward broke chick.
>
>Molly been loyal as hell but since she pops off every now and
>then people see her as lacking compassion or being the angry
>miserable black woman.
>
>They all got issues tho.. would t be a show without their
>messy drama.

This very first ep seems like 1000 years ago and was definitely more in line with the awkward Black girl series. The show has grown so much. It’s essence is still there but the characters and show have grown so much.

I had rewatched s3 recently which the vibe is very similar to s4 but s1 is a whole different feel.

I miss the non Black regulars too like my girl Frida and Diane (Molly’s Asian coworker) before she went to the Black firm

because she couldn’t afford to live there after he left

Ima rewatch tomorrow and post my thoughts then

been traveling with a lil heaux bag lol

Everything else she has on the morning after is from the night before, including the uncomfortable looking shoes lol.

didn’t look at the rest of her gear..

Genuinely enjoyed this episode up until the end.

I thought the fake date was kind of cute but only up until it was obvious it wasn’t a fake date anymore, then I just got annoyed that Issa couldn’t just have her verbal closure without feeling the need to have boots knocking closure as well.

into your house to see your furniture lol

#actually.. lol

This is why you do it.

If you find out your new buddy is dating your ex of 5 years and you try to grow or maintain that new friendship... the plan is to get your ex back or at least smash them one more time to see if it’s worth revisiting.

That they are friends folks now! Condola now has grounds to curse Issa out just as much as Issa had grounds to curse her out for ghosting her lol. Those of if who said the situation was messy, including the Goddess Molly Carter, were right

For one, they ain’t even friends no more.

For two, she and Lawrence broke up and even if Condola is calling to get that old thing back for the night or forever, Issa doesn’t owe her shit since everyone in the situation is single.

Frolicking like they were she gonna feel some type of way. I know I would.

I’m here for a condola centered spin off! She was everything to me.

but she should’ve known the moment Issa was Lawrence’s ex that shit would be messy.

>That they are friends folks now! Condola now has grounds to
>curse Issa out just as much as Issa had grounds to curse her
>out for ghosting her lol. Those of if who said the situation
>was messy, including the Goddess Molly Carter, were right

to handle that scenario.

When pressed they really revealed they wouldn’t be mad at hearing their ex had moved on. That’s totally different than trying to maintain a real ass friendship with someone who is dating your ex of 5 years.

Who tf does that and thinks it’s a good idea? 99.9% of the time.. the ex’s will be smashing each other as soon as their is a bump on the road.

no one faked a friendship. Condola and Issa were friendly business associates, the show never revealed why Condola disappeared after whatever happened with Lawrence

Lawrence and Issa met up later and chemistry was still there, but Issa never plotted on him. if anything he was guilty of trying to get back and she was trying to be okay with them being together

9 times out of 10, exes never revisit shit unless the breakup was super fresh

Pointed in that direction completely. But yeah once she was invited in, it was a wrap lol. I think he may have been willing to let her leave to be respectful but once she signaled she wanted it too...it’s like go for it

By the time they started having that "So why did we break up again?" convo, it was a wrap.

At that point it was only about whether it was going to go down or was some outside factor going to keep it from happening.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Her going up hills and shit I was like oh naw. Shoulda asked for the ride lol

She was on a hike.

I couldn't figure out how many seasons ago they broke up. I think Lawrence has had his swagger back for a minute no?

He didn't get a job until after she cheated on him? The old sitting on the couch Lawrence seems soooo long ago to me.



You know, this show reminds me of friends who keep getting back together and it makes you wonder how much what they had was special versus they find that other person comfortable, familiar and they are always available when you are.


I can't front, I don't think I could ever get over someone doing me dirty when I am at my lowest point. I could try but it would always be there in the back of my mind, especially when I at my highest points and it's all good.

That's the problem with early relationships, someone could really be the right one for you but you can blow it all because you have so much learning you have to do before you become a good partner.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I couldn't figure out how many seasons ago they broke up. I
>think Lawrence has had his swagger back for a minute no?

They broke up at the end of season 1 when she came back from Malibu looking for him at the old apartment but he had moved his stuff out and left his Best Buy shirt in the closet and was pounding out Tasha lol

>He didn't get a job until after she cheated on him? The old
>sitting on the couch Lawrence seems soooo long ago to me.
>

He was working at Best Buy and had interviewed for his new job when they broke up

>
>You know, this show reminds me of friends who keep getting
>back together and it makes you wonder how much what they had
>was special versus they find that other person comfortable,
>familiar and they are always available when you are.
>

Sometimes its just the realization that the grass isn’t always greener and the 80/20 thing

>
>I can't front, I don't think I could ever get over someone
>doing me dirty when I am at my lowest point. I could try but
>it would always be there in the back of my mind, especially
>when I at my highest points and it's all good.

Getting over cheating is hard

>That's the problem with early relationships, someone could
>really be the right one for you but you can blow it all
>because you have so much learning you have to do before you
>become a good partner.

So true lol

I felt like Lawrence’s thoughts on his professional situation were deep too.

That was the closure for them and maybe they keep fucking til the end of the season and he gets a job and San Fran.

I would be here for a Lawrence centered spin off. I just really don’t want them to get back together becuz it’s dumb. I’d rather Nathan with Issa.

The ep was excellently done and wholly believable. The way it was written and how jay and Issa delivered was perfect. It really pulled me in too. But I just do not want them back together, that would be corny to me

generally just don’t go away

Unless it’s toxic I don’t see the issue with getting back with an ex.

like you said, if it's not toxic i think it's actually pretty easy to happen.

i say that because if it's NOT toxic, then y'all probably broke up because of some poor decision making or insecurities. then, as time moves a little, you learn more about yourself and about people, and those same dumb thing and insecurities aren't an issue anymore. so, if y'all still actually like each other as people but don't have the same issues and hang ups...shit might work.

>like you said, if it's not toxic i think it's actually pretty
>easy to happen.
>
>i say that because if it's NOT toxic, then y'all probably
>broke up because of some poor decision making or insecurities.
>then, as time moves a little, you learn more about yourself
>and about people, and those same dumb thing and insecurities
>aren't an issue anymore. so, if y'all still actually like each
>other as people but don't have the same issues and hang
>ups...shit might work.

Right. People do sometimes get better at things they were once bad at.

And the big thing too...when you break up and get at other folks, those other folks may have major issues that your ex didn’t have. That plus the ex making improvements is more than enough to end up doing a reach back..even if it’s temporary.

The big foreshadow for me was Issa making the comment of being salty about someone else benefitting from her ex getting better.

The other great thing is how Lawrence and Issa got to finally have real talks. Having this right after Issa and Molly couldn’t figure out how to do real talks. Very good stuff.

>The big foreshadow for me was Issa making the comment of being
>salty about someone else benefitting from her ex getting
>better.

definitely reminds me of my relationships that stalled out. Communication stopped. They lost interest or maybe it’s because I lost interest or thought the grass was greener.

As soon as I was single tho.. my shit would start popping.

I think some of it is feeling like you have to be home when your SO gets home and you end up missing out on organic friendships and connections that could lead to better opportunities.

Ionno.. i think it’s hard to be your best self if you took a few L’s and your SO keeps giving you the “pep talks”.. eventually resentment builds and the pep talks turn into critiques and criticism.

After I got played by the ex in college I started kicking it with another woman who was older and a dope ass painter. She’s a big deal in NYC’s art scene right now. Anyway.. I remember quitting a job washing dishes at Applebee’s and when I told her I expected to hear the “get a job nigga” speech and instead she said “good.. you are too talented to be washing dishes. I’ll never forget the energy that gave me.

Long rant but the point is sometimes you need to be single to be your best you before you can focus on a relationship.

Recommended. It was enjoyable and really had me prepared for this last night’s episode. If I hadn’t watched that I woulda forgot how much a of presence Daniel was in the first 2 and half seasons and how he was the catalyst for a lot of character development for Issa and Lawrence

That shit hit me like a brick. A lot of emotions in that moment.

Keep your friends close, but keep your SOs exes closer.

If she insisted on dating a guy who had one of his exes in his social circle, you stay cool with that person. You make them your friend.

What you don't do is give a reason TO smash your SO out of spite.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Fuck that.

Condola shoulda been gone or at least kept something on deck cause she had to know this was coming.

Everyone but a chosen few saw this shit coming.

Condola will be aight. I’m assuming that was the impetus for them breaking up anyway. I guess she was missing Lawrence and/or the D but she should take a few breaths and put herself back out there. Track down that fine Latino guy that Issa fucked over a few seasons back and give him the Black attention he was seeking

https://twitter.com/kelleent/status/1267654890802696192

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I wouldn’t be mad at that tho. But sheesh!!!!!!

... this season has a happy ending, Molly faces herself, and keeps both Andrew and Issa. But at this point, I could see her being left alone

Lemme begin by saying that I was hyped to this episode because I remember seeing an IG Live a few months ago where Issa and Yvonne were talking about Kerry Washington directing this episode and that Kerry said she would stop them if she “didn’t believe them”, as in didn’t believe their acting, and that Kerry was stopping them midscene and it was annoying Yvonne (and Yvonne said she was annoyed because they were shooting at night and it was cold outside).

Based on this I had been predicting for months that there would be a blowout argument and that hopefully there would be also a heartfelt reconciliation.

Nothing I saw tonight screamed, to me, a scene where Kerry had to stop it midscene because the acting wasn’t believable. That is to say nothing really happened tonight, nothing was resolved, AND ONCE AGAIN AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE THEME OF THIS DAMN SEASON, everything was kicked down the road.

Literally the only storyline resolved here was that Condola wasn’t pregnant and that they are done.

Other than that? Lawrence and Issa are stupidly back on, we are left in limbo to see if he moves to SF (y’all I really don’t want to see a season 5 based on their long distance relationship), and Molly and Issa still aren’t resolved (no, I don’t believe how they ended the convo before Issa got in the car is really resolving anything, just kicking a true ending or reconciliation down the road to the next episode or maybe even next season).

This episode annoyed me because it made Molly the bad guy once again, not saying she doesn’t deserve it sometimes but here she showed up to Issa’s brunch, didn’t snarkily bring up the Block Party, and patiently waited for Issa to bring it up (as she should, since Issa is the one who extended the invite and also because Issa has dodged speaking about the issue before, like canceling pie time), that’s a win in my book and yet Andrew got on her about it and said SHE coulda brought it up. Nah it don’t work like that bro.

Similarly I don’t really have an issue with Molly bailing on the Clippers game, Andrew shouldn’t expect her to just gloss over what happened if she and his brother haven’t truly talked it over, nice seats or not. They made it come across like Molly and bro were cool since they didn’t mention anything after the trip was over but if she still is feeling a way I don’t think it’s right of Andrew to try to force her to accept the invite if she’s uncomfortable, he should he facilitating a talk between them to fix it since in theory they will be part of each other’s lives for a while, not making her feel bad for not accepting the invite.

Finally, Issa is weird for even making helping Nathan a thing.

I get it, she feels like she owes Nathan because he hooked her up with Andrew but there’s nothing wrong with getting out of helping him move since she knows part of it is he’s lowkey still interested in her and the circumstances have changed now that she’s sorta back with Lawrence.

She should have just gotten out of helping him and she didn’t need to call Kelli or her brother or Molly to figure that out nor did she need to tell Lawrence about it.

Other weird thing about telling Lawrence is if y’all are officially together what is that going to look like if he gets a gig in SF?

Either they are just truly hooking up and she doesn’t really care if he moves to SF and therefore he didn’t to know about Nathan either way or she’s playing herself and totally isn’t going to be able to deal with having a boyfriend in a whole different city so she’s setting herself up for disappointment.

>Lemme begin by saying that I was hyped to this episode
>because I remember seeing an IG Live a few months ago where
>Issa and Yvonne were talking about Kerry Washington directing
>this episode and that Kerry said she would stop them if she
>“didn’t believe them”, as in didn’t believe their
>acting, and that Kerry was stopping them midscene and it was
>annoying Yvonne (and Yvonne said she was annoyed because they
>were shooting at night and it was cold outside).
>
>Based on this I had been predicting for months that there
>would be a blowout argument and that hopefully there would be
>also a heartfelt reconciliation.
>
>Nothing I saw tonight screamed, to me, a scene where Kerry had
>to stop it midscene because the acting wasn’t believable.
>That is to say nothing really happened tonight, nothing was
>resolved, AND ONCE AGAIN AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE THEME OF
>THIS DAMN SEASON, everything was kicked down the road.
>
>Literally the only storyline resolved here was that Condola
>wasn’t pregnant and that they are done.
>
>Other than that? Lawrence and Issa are stupidly back on, we
>are left in limbo to see if he moves to SF (y’all I really
>don’t want to see a season 5 based on their long distance
>relationship), and Molly and Issa still aren’t resolved (no,
>I don’t believe how they ended the convo before Issa got in
>the car is really resolving anything, just kicking a true
>ending or reconciliation down the road to the next episode or
>maybe even next season).
>
>This episode annoyed me because it made Molly the bad guy once
>again, not saying she doesn’t deserve it sometimes but here
>she showed up to Issa’s brunch, didn’t snarkily bring up
>the Block Party, and patiently waited for Issa to bring it up
>(as she should, since Issa is the one who extended the invite
>and also because Issa has dodged speaking about the issue
>before, like canceling pie time), that’s a win in my book
>and yet Andrew got on her about it and said SHE coulda brought
>it up. Nah it don’t work like that bro.
>
>Similarly I don’t really have an issue with Molly bailing on
>the Clippers game, Andrew shouldn’t expect her to just gloss
>over what happened if she and his brother haven’t truly
>talked it over, nice seats or not. They made it come across
>like Molly and bro were cool since they didn’t mention
>anything after the trip was over but if she still is feeling a
>way I don’t think it’s right of Andrew to try to force her
>to accept the invite if she’s uncomfortable, he should he
>facilitating a talk between them to fix it since in theory
>they will be part of each other’s lives for a while, not
>making her feel bad for not accepting the invite.
>
>Finally, Issa is weird for even making helping Nathan a
>thing.
>
>I get it, she feels like she owes Nathan because he hooked her
>up with Andrew but there’s nothing wrong with getting out of
>helping him move since she knows part of it is he’s lowkey
>still interested in her and the circumstances have changed now
>that she’s sorta back with Lawrence.
>
>She should have just gotten out of helping him and she
>didn’t need to call Kelli or her brother or Molly to figure
>that out nor did she need to tell Lawrence about it.
>
>Other weird thing about telling Lawrence is if y’all are
>officially together what is that going to look like if he gets
>a gig in SF?
>
>Either they are just truly hooking up and she doesn’t really
>care if he moves to SF and therefore he didn’t to know about
>Nathan either way or she’s playing herself and totally
>isn’t going to be able to deal with having a boyfriend in a
>whole different city so she’s setting herself up for
>disappointment.

From the beginning of the ep, to the end. I cringed so hard for molly becuz I have done that lol. I felt so bad for Issa too.

Molly is way too prideful tho. She needs to get out of her own head.

shame that ep 9 was basically a waste, considering this is the first season with ten eps. They need to do better for this finale

That’s all I got.

lol.

https://hollywoodlife.com/2020/06/08/issa-rae-donald-trump-insecure-tweet-reaction/

words to live by

to me, Molly is simply a miserable person...

she proves it when she refuses the peace offering by her boyfriend's brother.... and proves it again by refusing to make any kind of real effort to resolve her situation with Issa....

she tells Issa that the meet-up was superficial and when Issa asks her to discuss the block party, she deflects and ends it with: "maybe we just dont fit together".... these are not words of someone that's trying....

i would love to see Molly and Issa fix their their friendship.... but i could also see how Molly might end up all by herself and end up destroying even her relationship with Andrew...

great episode

Like at all.

The characters on this show, like life, are layered, no one is all demon, no one is all angel.

Witch. Life ain’t like that.

her going out there after Issa was leaving said to me that she cares

she doesnt give a fuck about Andrew's brother after the trip and I dont understand why she should have to

Don’t u go trying to find nuance or evidence that she is anything other than a selfish drama queen irredeemable Black woman. That doesn’t fit most ppls, me good, you bad narratives

when they met up at the restaurant and Issa was there with Condola and invited Condola to stay, when they were supposed to meet up for Thanksgiving dessert and Issa canceled, then Issa called her and Molly was ready to talk but Issa was looking for a hookup for her block party and didn't have time.

I don’t like that shit.

called Insecure and that character's problems and relationships but people act like she's Michelle Obama and does nothing wrong and everything is everybody else's fault lol.

In a way its sad how the 2 black women are somehow pitted against each other.

Of the show and molly has definitely been wrong as two left feet several times this season but it’s a really deep disdain for her. And it’s not just here on Okp.

Is it becuz she’s successful and Issa’s not really(well not yet). I feel like a lot of ppl are projecting (again not specifically talking about the Molly haters here)

She's been behaving downright villainous for the last few episodes.

The season started off about 2 people who seem to be off and miscommunications and missed opportunities to repair were causing them to grow apart, but the last couple of episodes seem to go out of the way to paint Molly as self-abosorbed, uncompromising and will ultimately be the cause if they stop being friends. This last episode had Issa trying hard to make amends with her and Molly giving her the stiff arm.



>Of the show and molly has definitely been wrong as two left
>feet several times this season but it’s a really deep
>disdain for her. And it’s not just here on Okp.
>
>Is it becuz she’s successful and Issa’s not really(well
>not yet). I feel like a lot of ppl are projecting (again not
>specifically talking about the Molly haters here)


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

These characters if what’s written is not going to take a nuanced or holistic approach. Sorry, molly is not a villain.

We watching the same show?

Since the event Issa has been the soul searching sympathetic one and Molly has been shitty to everyone (I thought they laid in on thick when they had her yelling at the poor secretary working for her).

The show seems to be setting her up for a fall.

Like I said before, before the blame was evenly spread around but that hasn't been the case lately.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She hasn’t been acting like a villain. Wtf?

She definitely was out of pocket for going at Issa when she was shining after the block party.

But the vacation? I don’t understand how Molly was a villain for being treated like that over a towel

Issa reaches out to talk last episode.. and then didn’t actually want to bring up the talk. Molly was trying to talk to her countless times earlier and Issa kept rescheduling.

Villain tho? Lmao

wrong. Issa pulled some shady shit.

IRL it’s probably not worth blowing up at block party but that’s tv but it’s definitely like an “oh, ok.”

>she doesnt give a fuck about Andrew's brother after the trip
>and I dont understand why she should have to

Everything in life really is just about what side you’re choosing to look at things from.

A lot of folks looked at that situation and said “WTF he’s trying to be nice, extending an olive branch, plus his brother is gonna be in Andrew’s life forever, she should be kind to him and get over her grudge”.

I chose to look at it like “Shout out to her for putting herself and her feelings first, not letting Andrew force her into a situation where she is still uncomfortable which might lead to another giant argument between Victor and Molly, and yes that is his brother but it is also okay to honor your own feelings if you still are upset with how he tried to minimize her feelings and also that’s okay that she doesn’t currently feel like need to accept the olive branch just because they are good seats, I’m sure she can afford some great Clippers seats too” lol.

I did also like the line where Andrew was like “I said you were working...I lied for you”, trying to make her feel guilty, I love that she was like “I didn’t ask you to lie”, like nah bro don’t put that shit on me...

Don’t lie for me. Tell him why I’m mad son!

Let him know I don’t play that shit when it comes to being told I’m sensitive in race when it was obvious I was mistreated.

and yeah, wtf does the peace offering have to be on his dime?

narcissistic personality disorder

I don't think shes fully on that island but she has some real shit going on

but I’m not sure it’s NPD.

I think it’s the Lawyer in her. She’s stubborn.

>narcissistic personality disorder
>
>I don't think shes fully on that island but she has some real
>shit going on
>
>

I just don't see Molly acting this way with Issa if she didn't have a man. She's all, "maybe Im different now" and the only thing that has changed is she is in a relationship.


Some one else nailed it, Molly is just miserable. Dating miserable people is the worst. It brings you down. It seems like they are planting the seeds storywise that Andrew is eventually going to have enough of it and be out.

Being in a relationship means you have to make peace with your SOs peoples. Molly declining the olive branch from the brother will come back to haunt her. It was selfish. Did not consider how it impacted Andrew.

Storywise Andrew's character has transformed from an Asian Playa Playa to a bit of a doormat for Molly and I think they are setting up dude holding back until he has had enough and unloads on her. I got to admit I am looking forward to it.

Seeing she has an HBO special I am wondering if all of this is to write Molly off the show because she is blowing up and wants to do other things? She just seems like a bit of a heel these days.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Molly isn’t wrong for not wanting to immediately squash things with Andrews brother. Especially when it’s on his dime which gives him a feeling of superiority in a peace offering. Dude would prolly still say some slick shit and then be like “you don’t appreciate these seats?” but say it sarcastically in another language.

As far as being different now that she is in a relationship. You mean.. just like Issa and every other adult when they get in a relationship they want to keep? Everyone changes when they get in a relationship. Molly prolly realizes she doesn’t have to run out and be Issa’s problem solver all the damn time and wants to enjoy having a man.

Issa gave Molly some “stay single like me” advice on the mountain and then immediately told Molly she broke things off with TSA dude who wasn’t about shit.

Molly sees that Issa may not have her best interest and Issa prolly sees the same.

As far as Andrew and Issa. It prolly won’t work and that’s not surprising. Relationships are hard work.. especially if you have to be forced to hang with his brother who is a controlling asshole.

So is she miserable? I don’t think so. Is she over the bullshit and standing her ground? Yup... and when you do that you tend to get called selfish and miserable. Sometimes you have put yourself first.

I get she might not want to put herself in racist situations. The thing is if you are in a relationship you got to address it.

The pattern they are showing for her is putting herself first above all else without consideration for other people.

Like the scene started with her not getting Indian food like he wanted and not really acknowledging he wanted it and unilaterally ordering something else.

And then when they talk about the brother just doesn't give any regard for their sibling relationship or how important it is to him to make peace. Her only response is why would you ask me to do something that makes me uncomfortable. I think a less selfish person would have been like, "I don't want your brothers floor seats but we will find something else for us to do together when I am ready".

Molly just reminds me of the many older single people I know who find a hard time dating because they have been so uncompromising for so long and so use to only thinking about themselves that they have a hard time allowing other people into their lives.

Yall saying she should put herself first. But the thing she has seemed to want the most for the show is a man, but she will throw a good dude away because she is thinking short term what putting herself first means.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Molly just reminds me of the many older single people I know
>who find a hard time dating because they have been so
>uncompromising for so long and so use to only thinking about
>themselves that they have a hard time allowing other people
>into their lives.
>
>Yall saying she should put herself first. But the thing she
>has seemed to want the most for the show is a man, but she
>will throw a good dude away because she is thinking short term
>what putting herself first means.

she is never going to be happy in a relationship because she doesnt understand how to compromise and take the L sometimes.

I’m definitely familiar with the super single types who prolly view compromising as being weak.

Seems like she was opening up and letting her guard down but once she didn’t get her way with Issa she snapped.

Then when she had the towel incident she put her guard back up.

but I still think Andrew needs to show more compassion for Molly when it comes to his brother. he is probably used to his brothers way of apologizing but that doesn’t mean his SO will be open to it.

Andrew needs to get his balls back tho.

can be civil towards him at family gatherings but she shouldn’t feel forced to forgive him to make him feel better.

If you’re serious about a relationship often there’s going to come a time where you’re going to have to choose between that person and your family. You don’t have to disown your family but you have to decide whose feelings are more important.

Sure she has issues.. like everyone else on the show.

But using her reaction to Andrews brother is a bad example. Fuck that clown.

Is being foreshadowed. It is a really selfish place to be to not try to make up with ur SOs family. Even if u doing that shit just to make ur mate happy, it’s at least worth a try.

Andrew is obviously bothered by it and coupled with him prolly really not understanding Molly’s issue with Issa considering him helping her was no big deal to him, he will increasingly be turned off.

Which I suspect the writers want molly to come crashing down and that be a catalyst for her and Issa to repair (which would be incredibly trite)

>
>Which I suspect the writers want molly to come crashing down
>and that be a catalyst for her and Issa to repair (which would
>be incredibly trite)

Still though, it felt good to see them together after all the fallout of that episode.

The characters

to make out. lol. they got too many issues to be in a 'relationship' together. they are bickering more than lovers.

a romance, just without the sexual/physically intimate part. I first started to really see it when I would date women who had those types of friendships. I'd say to myself "damn, I don't think I can compete with her girlfriend." So when they have these friendship break-ups, it's sometimes worse than a bad break-up they might have with a dude.

When dude comes over to confront Snipes about hustling him.. as soon as the game got good they forgot they were beefing.

When women get mad they really cancel friendships and shit.

... about not giving ourselves the space to mourn non-romantic breakups. Them shits are like a death, too.

That we even compare those types of relationships to romantic ones is telling as they are often deeper and far more intimate.

She get's caught talking trash about Issa behind her back, Goes and catches her before she leaves just to tell her she's outgrown Issa, and when Issa is like "ok", she straight up looks offended Issa gives up and doesn't want to keep fighting? SMH. The girl loves drama.

BTW, I should make clear that this has been a great season so far. I don't identify much with the romantic relationship issues but the friendship issues has been some real ish and hits home. Not just among my wife and her friends for me and some people who have fallen out of my life.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I guess its kind of real

misery be loving some company

bit if ya got it going on then later for you?

Not sure thats what they're trying to say..aybe its that they realize they really need each other...good times n bad times

>I guess its kind of real
>
>misery be loving some company
>
>bit if ya got it going on then later for you?
>
>Not sure thats what they're trying to say..aybe its that they
>realize they really need each other...good times n bad times
>
>
>

I’ll give them more credit for what story they could be telling. It comes down to energy and capacity. It’s hard to hold onto multiple unstable relationships all at once. And sadly, as folks get older and have more going on, instability tends to be part of the deal with human beings. Breakups, breakdowns, kids, parent stuff, job/career stuff, health, cops (still) putting their knees on folks, it’s wild.

The good (and bad) news with Molly and Issa is that they love each other in a way that they can’t seem to get with anyone else, so them ending up at a table was almost inevitable if the show was gonna be true to itself. I’ll take it.

That is it right there.

Molly never would have called Issa if things were good with dude.

This was a very deep episode. I felt that when Issa said "its too much"

I been at points in my life when stress just felt like it was gonna break me.

Actors were cringing that the police confrontation was part of this ep considering everything going on right now.

Not me, not today.

Lawrence didn't really want to get back with Issa anyway she forced that shit and he was looking for a way out. Tasha told y'all he was fuckboy lol.

Andrew is a fuckboy also he liked his hot lil piece of black pussy but he didn't like it when she didn't stay in line like a docile Asian chick.

The Tiffany/Derek storyline has been foreshadowed the whole series.

"Honestly Derek, none of us are perfect. We're all just trying to figure it out."-realest shit Issa ever said

but he didn't like it when she didn't stay in line like
>a docile Asian chick.
>

Its not.

Its what people believe to be true, so that's the truth.

But docile Asian women are only a thing as much as Black or Latinx docile women are.

>Its not.
>
>Its what people believe to be true, so that's the truth.
>
>But docile Asian women are only a thing as much as Black or
>Latinx docile women are.
>
>

That part.

First he was this cool extra hip guy from LA who happened to be Asian but didn’t really care about his family

Then became a guy who’s family is everything and prefers to speak in his family’s language and you have to get along with his family to get along with him.

Once the “novelty” of Molly wore off he was done.

He planted that seed just in case he needed it later?

relationship with Issa, she did

Can’t wait. About the watch now.

Yeah.. I wasn’t expecting that. I know the baby was floated in here earlier but I thought it would be Issa and not Condola. I feel for all of them. That’s some fucked up timing. Hope Lawrence strapped up with Issa. He might have that super sperm.

The Derek story line.. meh. Good comedic relief on the bus but that story seems a bit forced to fill some space up. I know depression is serious when it comes to giving birth but ionno, just felt like they had no story all season and then hit us with this.

Andrew and Molly. Played out pretty much like expected. Asians be mad funny when it comes to family. You really have to get along with the siblings and shit. Not that we aren’t the same but I think unless you live on the dame block as your fam there should be some boundaries. Andrew really cares about what his brother thinks and that ain’t gonna fly.

Good season tho. I was entertained.

Distance. That’s why alpha personality folks have to be leery of people who say they like to be dominated or go along with everything u say becuz secretly they be hating u and feeling miserable while making u feel like everything is all good (yes I’ve been exactly in Molly shoes so if u say I’m projecting fine Lolol)

Andrew should have spoke the fuck up and not wait until he is already mentally done with the relationship to do so.

Molly needed to be more perceptive but when she was aware she tried

Hopefully this paved the way for her to get with another alpha like Torian. There’s trials with that too but at least everyone is honest and str8 forward in alpha alpha relationships

>Distance. That’s why alpha personality folks have to be
>leery of people who say they like to be dominated or go along
>with everything u say becuz secretly they be hating u and
>feeling miserable while making u feel like everything is all
>good (yes I’ve been exactly in Molly shoes so if u say I’m
>projecting fine Lolol)
>
>Andrew should have spoke the fuck up and not wait until he is
>already mentally done with the relationship to do so.


Yep. if thats you and you're fine going along, cool. But you can't wait til you're done to speak up. Hell, even if he was like here are some issues....but to say it and then just be done?


I guess one thing is a lot of folks are reading as they're done from their last exchange. I think its technically still open -- especially seeing as how Alexander Hodge has been coy about his long term participation in the show.


>
>Molly needed to be more perceptive but when she was aware she
>tried
>
>Hopefully this paved the way for her to get with another alpha
>like Torian. There’s trials with that too but at least
>everyone is honest and str8 forward in alpha alpha
>relationships

Lol is Torian a true alpha though? Rollerblading and acting lame at parties arent typical alpha activities.

Ppl who do corny activities can still be alphas lol

Then she overreacted at Issa's event that she tried to sabotage.

talking shit about issa via text while SHES IN THE SAME ROOM and accidentally sending it to her.


and as soon as andrew is done with her she wants to put some effort in.



Molly wack and the opposite of alpha

kinda anti-climatic. it's pretty much over for issa and lawrence at
this point.

Got the money.

>

black dude in silicon valley (with baby momma drama)....

I’m over here looking for some bang and pow ala Marty and wendi Byrd ozarks season finale.

It was a good ep but nothing special. The whole bang of condola being pregnant was so deflated for me becuz it had been so speculated on.

Hopefully Lawrence still takes the job in San Fran and can just have his periphery storyline and shit.

Issa can rock with Nathan or even better someone new.

The Tiffany and Derek storyline was done perfectly. I just love Derek.

I’m here 10 eps but I need all 10 eps to be rich and deliver. While I found the Issa and molly solo eps to be poignant and necessary, eps 9 and 10 were a bit lacking

>I’m over here looking for some bang and pow ala Marty and
>wendi Byrd ozarks season finale.
>
>It was a good ep but nothing special. The whole bang of
>condola being pregnant was so deflated for me becuz it had
>been so speculated on.
>
>Hopefully Lawrence still takes the job in San Fran and can
>just have his periphery storyline and shit.
>
>Issa can rock with Nathan or even better someone new.
>
>The Tiffany and Derek storyline was done perfectly. I just
>love Derek.
>
>I’m here 10 eps but I need all 10 eps to be rich and
>deliver. While I found the Issa and molly solo eps to be
>poignant and necessary, eps 9 and 10 were a bit lacking

we saw symptoms of Tiffany's post partum depression, that storyline was absent for a few weeks then they went 0 to 100 in the finale

there was no serious foreshadowing for Andrew's frustration, just last week things were okay with him and Molly if I recall correctly. it felt like he exploded on her when she was really trying to do better

Condola was blowing up Lawrence's phone the night he first linked back up with Issa to tell him the news, she got cold feet when they spoke after that. I see no reason they cant be together with him having a kid with a woman he isnt attached to, but I've seen women be emotional about these things (Hell, that's Tasha and Dro in real life)

That she won’t be able to experience first time parenthood with Lawrence now since he has a baby on the way and he is somewhat “tainted” now becuz of that. Harkening back to the s2 finale when she daydreamed of them getting married and having a child.

I’m ok with with that being the nail in the coffin for them, I wasn’t really a fan of them getting back together.

Also there was plenty of foreshadowing for Andrew breaking up with molly. Plenty

or at least suspected it that's why she was blowing him up.

once they talked and she learned that he and Issa had rekindled their relationship she had 2nd thoughts about telling him.

but yeah usually if women meet a guy and he already has a kid its one thing but if its situation where its a break in the relationship most women aren't as understanding as Gabrielle Union and the guy isn't as rich as D-Wade lol

>Condola was blowing up Lawrence's phone the night he first
>linked back up with Issa to tell him the news, she got cold
>feet when they spoke after that. I see no reason they cant be
>together with him having a kid with a woman he isnt attached
>to, but I've seen women be emotional about these things (Hell,
>that's Tasha and Dro in real life)

everytime molly was tripping about issa he was eyerolling and sighing lol

I think the entire theme of this season is people dont pay attention to the signs until its too late. Tiffany and Andrew been on a decline all season and the writers were intentional about not making them the focus until the blowups happened.

Was kind and understanding and they had good sex, etc....he just needed to keep it real and imo not give up

>and they had good sex, etc....

like most relationships based on sex once the novelty wears of the relationship usually fizzles if it hasn't grown much beyond that

Swallowed up by her and then resented her for it. I think the real unforgivable act for him was her not trying to make peace with his brother after he had defended her (rightfully so but still, that’s his brother)

to him he would push back.

>Swallowed up by her and then resented her for it. I think the
>real unforgivable act for him was her not trying to make peace
>with his brother after he had defended her (rightfully so but
>still, that’s his brother)

The way I feel about that situation is everyone that you date is not going to like your family and at that point you have to make a choice about what's more important.

>Was kind and understanding and they had good sex, etc....he
>just needed to keep it real and imo not give up

It’s a big blow when you’re making yourself uncomfortable for someone and then they hint that they may not be willing to do it for you. That’s where Andrew was at. Molly missed the signs and calls for getting it fixed. And then there they are.

Zooming out more, it comes back to capacity, right? How much can each person put in and take out every day without worrying ‘too much’ about ‘the balance sheet’ as it’s happening? Whenever that balance sheet checking becomes the discussion, the relationship could be doomed..especially this early and before real stuff starts like kids and/or even lease-signing. And Andrew wasn’t digging that balance sheet while Molly was counting on him being cool with the cut he was already getting. I understand both views but it’s a bad look either way. Andrew should’ve said something stronger sooner. Molly should get it and snap into it before he felt like he had to draw the line on her. Her therapist tried to save her.

and it’s obvious he really cares what his brother thinks of his SO.

They both had these “well let’s call it quits” anytime they had a disagreement lately. I can’t stand when every argument has a hint of “maybe we aren’t meant to be together”

Just go.

everything and Molly said fuck him and his Clipper tickets lol

>
>They both had these “well let’s call it quits” anytime
>they had a disagreement lately. I can’t stand when every
>argument has a hint of “maybe we aren’t meant to be
>together”
>
>Just go.

more than a chocolate fuck toy.

First off, I am lowkey annoyed we didn’t get any extra minutes on the episode since they announced it would come on 20 minutes later than usual lol.

Annoyance aside meh to this finale.

I did call that Condola would be pregnant, which seems out of character for her since she seems like the very careful type but eh whatever.

I didn’t feel the emotional weight of all this for Issa because I, at the end of the episode, thought “Meh. She still has Nathan waiting in the wings, she gets to save airfare to and from SF now since obviously Lawrence and her are done and he isn’t going to SF now anyways”.

I feel bad for Lawrence because now he’s stuck being a co-parent along with his ex and they weren’t even together when she got pregnant, but he has the smarts and resources to make it work (well, both of them do really), and I’m sure he will choose to be involved financially, emotionally, and physically.

To be honest though I really really don’t want season 5 to be about Issa and Lawrence trying to be a couple and having to deal with him trying to also co-parent with Condola, I would prefer Condola and Lawrence and kid to live their life offscreen for the rest of the series.

I would like Issa to be single for a long time and just focus on being a creative entrepreneur and if that’s too much of a stretch for the writers then at least just let her focus on dating Nathan and leaving Lawrence all the way alone.

As far as Andrew and Molly, I mean I happen to think her not going to the basketball game was justified but I overall understand Andrew over time being very annoyed and fed up with Molly’s approach to conflicts so I totally get him breaking up with her.

I just hope next season isn’t about her trying to win him back or her increasing her therapy sessions solely because of the Andrew fallout, I want her to want better for herself for herself, not because some man inspired it.

Aldo:

I wish they had heavily cut down on the hunt to find Tiffany scenes and given Amanda a longer scene with Derek or with the girls.

I don't feel invested in the PPD reveal because they didn't have us invest in it in earlier episodes...

I read that during the Wine Down Amanda said there were little details like her nails weren't done that were supposed to clue you into the fact that something was wrong but that wasn't enough for me to care, and also Tiffany being a minor character that we haven't spent much time with (and when we do she comes across as annoying) also doesn't help in terms of being the emotional weight of the PPD reveal.

What the Mel and Derwin is going on? Not really feeling the whole pregnant storyline

and it felt like Issa was going to get messy with Nathan like she did with Daniel. Why you hanging with the nigga you kinda, sorta had an interest in at one time? Not buying the whole “we just friends” angle. She woulda cheated again anyways.

The PPD story was odd. I know that shit is real but we it really felt like Amanda’s agent made sure she got a scene in the finally. Almost wanted a nigga to be in the room so it could really get messy. Cause they pretty much ignored them all season except for the bday party.

Andrew? Bye nigga.

Love the way it ended tho... we back. We single af. We insecure.

the super serious scenes yesterday mixed in with the jokes seemed awkward to me.

real life happens that way but it definitely felt like they set this aside and just dropped it in the finale.

>real life happens that way but it definitely felt like they
>set this aside and just dropped it in the finale.

it made the petty stuff Issa and Molly were beefing about seem silly. I know some folks were trying to write Molly off completely but she's been the main co-star from day 1 and her relationship with Issa is the basis for the show. An near tragic situation was one thing that would pull them back together quickly along with their love lives falling apart.

Damn, that’s a really good point.

They also been neglecting her while dealing with their personal lives. Jelly was the only one who was actively involved with her and the baby.

I didn't like the way Andrew handled that at all, but he did it to himself really

Condola not being more careful to prevent pregnancy seems off brand, but I don't think we have enough info on that yet. This show has a way of making you like or dislike someone, then flipping the switch. I could see it being revealed that she's had pregnancy complications in the past or something along those lines

Issa's in a tight spot

First of all, ain't no Nathan now. If she came at him now, he'd wonder why she was so quick to have a change of heart, and I don't see Nathan being the type to want to have been chosen by process of elimination

What I'm about to say is subjective to my own experience, but I'd ride it out if I were in Issa's situation tbh. I'm not sure how many Lawrences come around in a lifetime. It's definitely not an ideal situation, but this feels like it could be the only window where they have a chance to work. If she were to leave and then try to come back later, Lawrence could possibly not take her back cause she wasn't willing to ride w him in this moment

I mean I wouldn't blame her if she didn't stay, but she just runs the risk of settling in the future

You still think that's the case?

But it sounded like he had at least accepted what he did wrong too

he accepted it. Actually accepting it in a long term relationship is a different thing.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Now if he was out cheating at the same time it might be easier but nah..

that will always be in the back of his head and he will never trust her.

so this Nathan cat is about to give Lawrence all types of PTSD

Condole was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. Goodness!

Andrew some shit, lol. Never felt like he and Molly we’re going to make it. Every time something happened, it was damn near the end. “Oh, you used the last sweet and sour sauce...maybe this isn’t meant to be”. FOH.

I’m not here to just constantly bust Molly’s head, but damn she super messy a and petty. Stay holding a grudge lookin ass.

I’m probably in the minority, but I was kinda glad the curveball of Condola being pregnant, got thrown. The idea of Issa and Law getting back together, was annoying, to me. Just to easy. Let that joint go. Fuck. Lol. I honestly just think Law wanted to smash and that’s all. Just my opinion.

I was rocking with Nathan the previous appearance, but...felt like they kinda shoehorned him into this one. Felt awkward. Just me, doe,

I think it would be ok if Issa and Molly speak their peace and still go their separate ways. Sometimes you just don’t stay friends with someone. They could acknowledge they both did some shit and just bounce.

Issa’s brother is dope...prolly my favorite character on the show.

Gone head and announce that Lawrence solo show.

I feel like Molly was a fetish to him and as soon as it became more than that he was ready to bounce.

A lot of fans were rooting for Issa and Lawrence to live happily ever after but that would be the end of the show.

What the show has been about from episode 1 season 1 is the relationship between Issa and Molly so despite some folks feelings I don't think Molly is going anywhere. The differences in the characters are by design and to represent different types of black women.

Some people don't like drama. Some peoples lives are constant drama. The two don't mix well.

Some people don't hear you (or don't feel heard) unless there is yelling and screaming and arguing. Some people avoid it whenever possible.

I think I use to be the part of the first group, but in old age I've mellowed out and become more of the latter.


I didn't think Andrew being Asian was figuring into the story very much other than Molly having issues dating a non-black man, but the truth is, and this is going to sound racist, Andrew reminded me very much of some of my non-confrontational Asian friends. I have one who was telling me that her mom wouldn't put an ivy league sticker on her car because she thought it was too flashy. I've watched my other friend eat the wrong meal because he didn't want to send it back. Of course there are other people and black people like this, but to me it drove the message home that he was Asian.

Some would call Andrew passive aggressive. But when you date a non-confrontational person, every little frown he would give when she did something he didn't like, means something. Dude wasn't very communicative, they just weren't going to make it.


The reuniting of Issa and Molly was pretty sad because it wasn't the coming together of two friends who missed each other. It was the coming together of two people who didn't have anyone else to turn to. At least when Issa had a man, she was still working on her relationship with Molly. When Molly had a man she wanted nothing to do with Issa.

Folks saw the Condoleeza being pregnant coming. Why did they break up again? I'm old school but If I were Lawrence I would make a serious effort to try and make it work with Conde Nast. If you willing to work on a relationship with the girl that cheated on you, you should be willing to work with the woman having your child.


The post-partum storyline was meh. The characters other than Molly, Issa and some times the dudes they are dating are the only fully developed characters, everyone else aren't really enough to care about. It was interesting and funny at times, but it just seemed like a plot device.


This was my favorite season so far. Like I said before, the dating stuff you can see in other shows but the friendship stuff is hitting home with me personally.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that was the moment when Issa and Molly realized they been up their own ass and ignoring their friend who really needed them all this time.

I still thought it was a meh plot twist but I think it helped break the ice between the 2 of them.

But it definitely feels like these 3 only get along when their relationships are in struggle mode.

I aint been in this post for a while

maybe I don't remember the last episode too well

Andrew rode for Molly to the point where he was in my opinion treated like a lap dog. I don't think its due to him being weak or not alpha or blah blah blah...I think that other people, exist to be in service of Molly. So, it's either be ok with being low priority or kick rocks, there is no inbetween.

I think most of the people here who are anti Andrew would act the same way or just leave. Molly needs a lot of self work, shes not relationship ready, shes barley friendship ready.

andrew seems perfectly rational to me.

brother onto Molly.

his methods were shoddy, and he needs work accepting the fact that some relationships just were not meant to be - but, I think his intentions were to build some family with Molly

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Looks like Tiffany is about to take some personal inventory and I'm HERE for it.