https://m.soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

some background https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

this is after 8 women accused him of inappropriate behaviour last spring

she recently went to tell her story and "The public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden’s presidential campaign."

this is on top of the groping of young children that has been out there for years and everyone seems happy to ignore

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/284051/chappelle-s-show-black-gallagher

Like, should Biden drop out, admit the 'centrist coup', and endorse Bernie?


Now that Democratic voters have made their preference clear, what would you like to see happen?

Should all the votes that were cast for Biden be discarded/ignored?


Should the party step in and nominate someone else?


What should happen in your mind?


Honest questions.


I get you're upset/disappointed/whatever.


So lay it out for us. What do you think should happen?

bidens nomination is imminent.

they know this.

its pretty obvious at this point. biden is winning states by a 2:1 ratio and bernie is fortunate to clear 30% in a lot of places.

they just wanna keep tarnishing him to the point that he hopefully (for them) loses the general. so they can 'i told you so' for another 4 years while also crying about the hell trump/repubs continue to unleash (that could have been prevented by them just acting like adults on 1 single november day and supporting the dem nominee).

theyre like trump supporters in that way. they wanna see anything outside of their ideological/cultural flock crash and burn. doesnt even matter if it harms them in the grand scheme of things.

Someone posts facts, critical to Biden

...and it’s scorched earth...

LOL

He needs to have better responses...than just denial

His role in the Iraq War...was more than just a vote
These sexual assaults...happened...some on camera
His relationships with staunch racists/segregationists
The FBI raid on his brother
Hunter

I mean...for fucks sake...he's a senator from Delaware...a tax haven on the mainland...do we really think he's not in the pocket of big corporations

Etc...

To this point...he has denied any and every critique of his record

That shit ain't gonna play in the general, when the Trumpsters full court press him

He needs to answer for this now.

For Sanders - we had continual talks about the need to subject Bernie to the most aggressive oppo research and vet him like a Fox News pundit -- but for Biden (who hasn't seriously been vetted because nobody even took him seriously for *months* prior to S. Carolina) - the mere mention of legitimate skepticism or critique triggers claims of foul play.

If they think reaction posting an Intercept article raising a legitimate concern on Biden's record is bad/unfair - they ain't even close to being ready for what TrumpLand USA is bout to unleash on Joey B.

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There should have been better responses when...
HRC was confronted by a group of BLM protesters...and flat dismissed them, on camera
Bill victim blaming screaming on an audience...
HRC dropping the mic and walking out of a presser about butterymails...which became a thug life meme
Etc...

There needs to be better responses now, because these issues will be exploited in the general

You’re full of shit, step outside...or from the post above...I didn’t mean to offend anyone with my non consensual contact...

Same shit

Do better.

when he basically did battery / creeped all over former nevada lawmaker Lucy Flores, and tried to apologize to anita hill after decades and massive pressure.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nevada-lawmakers-accuses-joe-biden-inappropriate-touching-kissing/story?id=62055143

"I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, 'I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual f---? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?'” Flores' account continued.

"He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused," she wrote. "I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience."

Biden issued a statement Sunday in which he said it "was never my intention" to make Flores or another woman feel uncomfortable.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Are you fucking serious?

Would you be in the same room as him while social distancing measures are mandated?

FOH

That might be a hot clickbait YouTube rant video - but facts? lol.

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Lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise?



I get it. I fucking get it. I'm scared that Joe is the nominee. I've been skeptical, and I remain so.

But they have nothing to hang their hats on anymore.

Bernie is the best to beat trump...but he can't beat Biden.

Bernie and his movement can overcome centrist dems, the gop, and the entire healthcare industry...but can't overcome Pete endorsing Joe.

Bernie will inspire huge youth turnout...didn't happen.


etc etc


Everything they said would happen proved wrong. Its shitty to be wrong, but fuck don't just plug your ears, close your eyes, and yell "I can't hear you!"


The movement just wasn't as big/strong as they thought.


Rather than trying to learn and make it bigger, they are going about the same tactics that turned people away to begin with.


And, in the context of organge trumpolini in charge of a major fucking crisis (on top of all the other horrific things), they are still unable to pivot and focus.

I can't tell if they want Trump to win to be proven right (in their minds)...or if they are incapable of anything other than throwing fits and denying reality.

Some bros on twitter acting like this thing ain't decided yet.

It is.


Time to accept it, learn from it, move on, and beat Trump. Then push Biden to the left as much as you can.

I think these allegations should be investigated and discussed in the media. I also think the child groping should be addressed and discussed. What do the parents of those kids think, what do the children themselves think now?

People should know who they are voting for. The mainstream media has done a massive disservice to those ends. I am sure 95% of people haven't seen the child groping videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwXweiRjckI

95% of people don't know Joe lied about his civil rights involvement etc. There has been over a year to vet Joe Biden and the vast majority still don't know who they voted for or are planning to vote for. I am sure Trump may remind them and by then it could be too late.

Ultimately it is a moral question, what should be done if this was anyone else accused of the same things?

More people voted for Joe than Bernie. A lot more.

You aren't happy about it.



What do you think should happen?


If you really think millions of voters fell for a centrist coup, what should be done to fix it?


I want to ask if you regret, personally, focusing all of your rage on Liz while failing to "vet" or attack Joe...I also want to ask how such a weak candidate (Joe) kicked Bernie's ass so badly...but lets focus on the now.


What do you want to happen?


Do you think attacking the Dem nominee after he has won is a smart play?

Do attacks from the left accomplish anything once he is the nominee?


If yes, what?

If no, when will you stop?



Would you prefer Trump to Joe?


I got all kinds of questions, man. Things aren't abstract anymore. The "Joe versus Bernie" isn't just an intellectual exercise anymore...folks have voted.


I'm scared as shit that Joe is the nominee. I think he is missing a huge opportunity right here and now on the virus stuff.

But, he's the fucking nominee man. Its over. So...what exactly...in the context of beating Trump...are you trying to accomplish?

>Like, should Biden drop out, admit the 'centrist coup', and
>endorse Bernie?

"You got us! Me, Pete, Amy, Liz, and millions of people were engaged in a coup....all hail lord Bernie"

We will shame her for waiting to make these UNSUBSTANTIATED claims to damage Joe. Then ignore it all together while pushing Joe for the nomination. THEN when Trump relentlessly brings it up in debates continue to ignore and bring of Trump's past in a race to the bottom, only for another more "credible" accuser or figure to come out and say the same thing in October, so when Trump wins we can blame Bernie for staying in the race too long.

156 posts since last August, all trolling against democrats.

If you have a real account here then post with it.

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Yell at him. Ignore him. Do whatever.

He's obviously a real person and he hasn't violated any of the guidelines. Banning him is reactionary nonsense.

This is exactly what paid trolling looks like.

There's a difference between disagreeing and sowing contention. Between being a part of the OKP community and purely pushing an agenda. Membership here is not a right.

90% of his posts look like "Did you see this? *posts link*. Very disturbing!" it is absolutely cause to raise an eyebrow.

A ton of "95% of people haven't heard this" and "Those in the know believe this".

Many of his weakly-sourced links are posted here just hours after they've live on the internet, including those in this post.

In combination with the join date, post frequency, etc. I think the onus is on reaction to show he's here for anything other than pushing an agenda.

Katie Halper’s bio

https://www.thenation.com/authors/katie-halper/

How’s a first hand sexual assault story...a weak source?

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This ain't the f'n Times

If it's utter bullshit...address it directly

Or ignore it

Fools in here deflecting

Attack the poster
Delegitimize the source
Etc...

Did you do research before going on the defensive?

I think something like a 2 minute video chat with a couple charter members would make it easy to determine.

But everything about this account says troll, and nothing says OKP other than having a political opinion.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13372455&mesg_id=13372455&page=#13374506

Again, it's not the opinion that's the problem.

namely an alias of mine. And they aren't just saying it in jest - they really actually believe it. But you're able to verify within seconds that it's not an alias of mine - but I'm sure that won't satisfy the herd.

There's a lot of groupthink bullying that goes on here - and bent just linked a post that's one of many spam-like trolling posts of its kind.

The Intercept source is a legitimate source - but I also hear your point. Many posters here post in poor taste - so I wonder what the standard would be to actually ban a poster for being in poor taste. Seems like a subjective standard, no?


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I don't care if you and he have the exact same opinion. Hell I love Bernie.

The difference is that you contribute to this community in OTHER ways, and he doesn't.

This is a community first and a political battleground second.

in general - as it's not always an easy call.

But I also consider it a privilege to post here. It's sort of like the most extensive family dinner conversation one can have on the internet - and I genuinely enjoy the level of commentary here on politics & sports. But the political posts have def gotten extra salty - and understandably so. The era of Trump got many of us understandably ornery.

>The difference is that you contribute to this community in
>OTHER ways, and he doesn't.
>
>This is a community first and a political battleground
>second.

Well-said. It's one of the only places within social media spaces where it does actually feel like a community - which is probably why I keep coming back. In most instances - I can have the most heated debate and still circle back to appreciating the member I'm debating with -- because of the history/community here.



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Based on IP history. Feel free to refer to this post later.

i kind of chilled on that though. i think its been clear hes not your alias, and now its confirmed.

his posting is definitely odd. not the best way to go about building up credibility. a lot of his posts do have good content but i agree with others that when you mostly post about one thing it is odd. especially when you just recently joined. it makes it harder to trust the poster or even consider the content.

accidental post.

It's broken two of the most important news stories of the last decade, in Snowden and the political motivations for Lula's corruption prosecution. The soundcloud link is to Katie Halper's podcast that features the actual woman accusing Biden. If that's the outlet that she chose to share her story with, then it's definitionally not "weak".

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There are no "weak sources" in this post. If you think there are other ones, then throw up a link and let me take a look.

Otherwise, I'm satisfied that he's real.

Trolling by definition is a pattern of behavior.

and suddenly start sharing their detailed political opinions on okp.


like... *now*

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

And not rare.

Like dude has not contributed to any other thread about any other subject at any other time.

I too initially thought something might be up with the account, but dude does post in The Lesson about fairly obscure underground hip-hop. One of the posts is about Brother Ali performing at a Sanders rally, but he's also in their discussing Wax and the new KRS-One album. A Russian bot asking about sample sources for a Little Simz track would be... interesting.

It could very well be that dude is just very passionate about Sanders.

which, given their current strategy of using real people who don't live in russia not bots, would be unlikely, I'd just say so.

wherever this person lives and whatever their angle is, they have very specific and peculiar timing.

idk about you, but I don't personally go into forums where I don't know anyone and start spouting off about my political beliefs. I barely talk to y'all about them and I've been posting here my entire adult life.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>idk about you, but I don't personally go into forums where I
>don't know anyone and start spouting off about my political
>beliefs.

^^^And this was essentially the entire an MO of everyone on that board. So this isn't exactly unheard of.

I just chalk it up to some people being very passionate about particular issues. I certainly don't have to tell you that message boards are a magnet for this type thing.

I guess I was unclear about it not just being the one thing.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>I too initially thought something might be up with the
>account, but dude does post in The Lesson about fairly obscure
>underground hip-hop. One of the posts is about Brother Ali
>performing at a Sanders rally, but he's also in their
>discussing Wax and the new KRS-One album. A Russian bot asking
>about sample sources for a Little Simz track would be...
>interesting.

Thanks for bringing the facts. I even have a post on the front page of the Lesson as this ridiculous conversation is going on.

>It could very well be that dude is just very passionate about
>Sanders.

Exactly. I went over this before but I have been a reader of OKP for like 15 years. I actually used to have an account under the name edutainment with quite a few posts. One day long ago I made a post about how many police were actually clinical psychopaths and for some reason after that I could never login anymore. I tried for years to get back on but no one ever responded. I watched all the misinformation about Bernie on here in 2016 and it got me upset that I couldn't say anything. So when I finally got a response and was able to post again last August I came in ready to defend against the 2020 misinformation which could actually be a full time job. I'm just passionate that there is finally a strong progressive movement for the first time in my life.

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From my experience when I posted the child molesting Biden video a few weeks ago, I could have told you how this was gonna go. People were gonna call you a Bernie Bro, russian troll, or throw in some what about Trump replies. No one will discuss the content of the accusations, forget about it.

You're right that it's problematic that 95% of the population hasn't heard these accusations or seen the videos but once they do during the general election, the liberal media will resort to the same tactics as you see here. Attack the messenger and ignore the message. At the end of the day it won't matter much and hopefully, the child molesting senile habitual lying candidate will beat out the racist, incompetent habitual lying candidate.

>From my experience when I posted the child molesting Biden
>video a few weeks ago, I could have told you how this was
>gonna go. People were gonna call you a Bernie Bro, russian
>troll, or throw in some what about Trump replies. No one will
>discuss the content of the accusations, forget about it.
>
>You're right that it's problematic that 95% of the population
>hasn't heard these accusations or seen the videos but once
>they do during the general election, the liberal media will
>resort to the same tactics as you see here. Attack the
>messenger and ignore the message. At the end of the day it
>won't matter much and hopefully, the child molesting senile
>habitual lying candidate will beat out the racist, incompetent
>habitual lying candidate.


I think it was discussed on here, but I know it's been in the media

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/joe-biden-inappropriate-touching-accusations-list.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

https://time.com/5578143/biden-inappropriate-touching/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/29/18241598/joe-biden-lucy-flores-touching-women-media-history-explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUOurZIVfI

95 percent of what population missed this news ?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-bombs-big-time-on-the-view

yet it's the people who say "bernie bro" who are being extra

https://streamable.com/7qz7k

and dumb

And I would want to fight someone who circulated video and used my child this way.

To be clear, I don't you've somehow unearthed video of Biden maliciously molesting a child, I see an awkward photo in public, with the family, in front of a photographer.

Again, yall crazy.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>And I would want to fight someone who circulated video and
>used my child this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPs_79-hEg8

You're going to tell me he didn't pinch a 8Y.O.'s nipple

Seriously?

WTF

Bernie calls this guy his friend?

or could it be you're just dishonest and desperate

It’s not about Bern

From here on out, it’s all about Biden

Care to discuss the video posted?

Yes dude is too touchy feely for this day and age in a way that reminds me of a Southern Black Preacher, but I don't think he thought, "yeah let me grope this child in front of all these people on camera".

Youtube should ban videos like this. I think okp should keep this post so we can know who the crazies are.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

childs nipple right now in front of a camera and her family?"

I just don't think it was purposeful. If someone takes 1000s of pictures some of them will come out awkward looking. If you are a touchy feely person, it's a whole lot more that will look awkward.

It's a bad look but I don't think the man is a serial molester or he treats women like Trump or even Bill Clinton.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it’s an unconscious thing people do who like to touch or stare at body parts.

If you are an ass man you WILL stare at asses.. even when your wife is around. You may think you are slick but sometimes you just can’t help yourself.

I think touchie feely dudes are the same way.

this crazy book "Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior" is worth a read/listen.

private parts. A kid no less.

You know someone who grabs strangers private parts subconsciously?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I know they aren’t the same... never said they were.

I said people who are grabby aren’t always having conversations with themselves when it happens about how they can do it on the sly.

and wtf kind of question is it to ask if I know someone who touches inappropriately? Do you?

Every time someone people root for gets accused people start deflecting and asking basic ass questions. But if it’s someone they despise? Oh, they did that shit!!! All of it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtO_HmwkonA

That wasn't some awkwardly placed hand "gotcha" moment. They're repeated examples of Biden inappropriately touching (which you could argue constitutes molestation) children. Would you fight a man who stroked your children in this manner?

Again, blame the messenger instead of the message. If this video was on mainstream news outlets three months ago I wouldn't be talking about it. All news stories focused on him inappropriately touching women, besides the senator saying his daughter was perfectly comfortable (though it sure didn't look like it). No coverage of the multiple examples in the video. If it is widely talked about in 3 months and hurts his candidacy, the democrats are going to look like some idiots for not dealing with it in the primary.

Again, this reminds me of old school Southern Preachers and Politicians. That touchy feely stuff was part of the repertoire back in the days but has since been deaded (and I am not mad at it being deaded).

I have a general uneasiness with advocates making sexual harassment claims on behalf of people who don't come forward themselves making those claims and this is a clear example why. In this instance, you are exploiting these children because neither the children or their very well to do and powerful parents didn't come forward to make such claims so YOU are using them for your own political agenda. That my friend, is a shitty way to use children.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

All of Biden's behavior in the video, though it's disturbing and could be considered molestation, is "minor". I'd imagine the politicians would rather ignore it than drop a bombshell of an accusation against a presidential candidate only for people to say "that's just how Joe is".

I'll disagree with you that this is an older generation's or Southern way of touching. Maybe with family members but not strangers' children. I know in the north if an older man who is a stranger starts stroking a child's face or placing his hand on their chest, you get him the hell away from the kid.

Also anytime an accuser comes forward they are attacked and discredited. I doubt anybody listened to the interview in the OP, but she herself talks about how she was called a Russian operative when she found the courage to come forward.

pussy

With his pregnant wife downstairs.

Your 156 posts lead me to believe you're from an incel breeding ground.

let the free market of OKP ideas take care of it

...lets see if they're cool with him being a known rapist. ...my guess is they hate Bernie enough to let it slide ..fucking scumbags

>...lets see if they're cool with him being a known rapist.
>...my guess is they hate Bernie enough to let it slide
>..fucking scumbags


Might be time to enforce some chill pills in here. Hell I got banned for being bougie or some reason that was NEVER COMMUNICATED to me.

He says :
1)Biden is a KNOWN rapist
2)People who support him KNOW he's a rapist
3)They support him BECAUSE he's a raper??
4)They ONLY do it because they HATE Bernie (a JEW)
5)They are SCUMBAGS

This level of vitriol has no logical place other that turn into -- other than violence.

Or this guy's just a internet loser talking shit.

Either way, seems to me there's about 10 people on here who've consistently been worst possible type of internet posters and I see no where for them to go.

Just an opinion, but this seems like 4Chan level shit.

EDIT: Yes, I know who he is - but posts like this are fucking disgusting.

....I KNOW you've seen creepy videos of Biden crossing all kids of personal boundaries in VERY public situations. These are moments that would get you fired for sexual harassment in the very least.

And you called supporters of his people who are SCUMBAGS and KNOW HE'S A RAPIST.

So check yourself.

Go look in that mirror and read your post. See what you've become.

4Chan level desperate GOP level propaganda.

...i feel even worse for any women in your life

>...lets see if they're cool with him being a known rapist
>...my guess is they hate Bernie enough to let it slide
>..fucking scumbags
>
>
>

....i'll support a democrat creep before i support a republican one ...my guess is Biden fucks this up and we end up with Cuomo somehow as the nom.

certainly hasn't brought it up.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'm not going to act like it's impossible that this is a credible accusation

If I end up having to vote for one Rapist to try to stop that OTHER rapist from getting four more years than that's what I'll do

SOON as this current guy is out, if they wanna impeach/charge Biden on day 2 I'm fine with that

nothing is more important than getting the Trump Crime Cult out of office

nothing.

we can deal w/Biden's rapey ass on the back end.

d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVUQ7ii3_4

its a cult of personality/popularity contest round these parts.
This is a real problem, as is Biden's obvious dementia.
Then when he loses to Trump in a landslide due to all of the above, its a "Russian plot", "people are stupid", etc.
American electoral politics are in an incredibly terrible state and both parties are absolutely at fault.

And trying to ban dude for posting this is just fucking stupid.

It sure seems like it! Here is an interesting thought experiment that will almost always yield the same answer. Think about if things were flipped and Bernie was accused of this, would it be mentioned in the media? Anyone who is honest with themselves knows it would. This scenario has happened a million times this cycle but is one of the worst examples yet.

....for allegedly saying a "woman could not win the election". Imagine if there was videos of him sexually advancing on frightened women and children as they desperately try to squirm away from him? My god.

treated?
Trump and Epstein shifted the fuck out of the window.
Reporters are dealing with a global pandemic and don't have the resources to follow up on things.
And it looks like nobody is trying to stick their neck out too far for this woman.
Why? I can't call it. But Joe Biden is nobodies golden goose.
The media class, the pundit class, hell even most of the Democratic leadership continues to make off like bandits under Donald Trump ... there's little groundswell for Joe Biden in the way that you all are seeming to coalesce around Joe Biden.
There's the rich, wealthy, and powerful and they all set about looking out for each other and picking their avatar. If Joe Biden dropped dead today they'd try to re-sale Michael Bloomberg.

If I have one ask, it's to decouple yalls selves from Bernie Sanders. He's old, he'll be dead sooner than later, but his good ideas will live on way longer than he will. But if every conversation comes down to how Bernie would've been treated or was treated it loses the message. Isn't that what "not him, us" is supposed to be about?

>Why? I can't call it. But Joe Biden is nobodies golden goose.
>The media class, the pundit class, hell even most of the
>Democratic leadership continues to make off like bandits under
>Donald Trump ... there's little groundswell for Joe Biden in
>the way that you all are seeming to coalesce around Joe
>Biden.
>There's the rich, wealthy, and powerful and they all set about
>looking out for each other and picking their avatar. If Joe
>Biden dropped dead today they'd try to re-sale Michael
>Bloomberg.

You are getting some pieces of the puzzle but not the whole thing. It is in all these people's interests to have "not Bernie" as the nominee because of the policies and worldview and ideals that his movement represents. Yes, they would have been fine with Pete or Kamala or Amy or Beto or Booker or Warren as their avatar. Yes Bloomberg would fit in fine or Biden and even Trump if it comes down to it, just not Bernie is all that matters. They stacked the field to see who would stick and it came down to Biden so they went with that. All the other candidates could just be seen as Biden surrogates in the end since they were quick to ditch any ideals and just went with Joe when they were told.

And all this is not because of Bernie the person, he's by far not the ideal candidate, it is the millions of people and activists and grassroots organizations that surround him they are afraid of. They are trying to keep those people out and keep themselves in. That is the complete puzzle.

They even told on themselves, for example here with ‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum

https://www.nytimes.com./2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

I'm not missing anything.

...it's YOU who are obsessed with tag-lines like "bernie bros" and "free stuff". ...but you're obviously trolling anyway so whatever

If you were talking about the movement then folks would say so
But you're not
Which is your own failing for not distinguishing yourselves from the man
Means you have to take on all of his baggage and get none of the separation
Why one man is your avatar is beyond me
Yall were more tolerable when you were Occupy Wallstreet'ers

Trump is a vulgar huckster who is way out of his depth in elected office.
The Dems most likely nominee is a career also-ran with a shit record, a legacy of corruption, no policy platform, clear dementia, AND NOW a sexual harrassment allegation...as we walk into the Great Depression 2.0, Pestilence Edition.
Trump's gonna mollywhop dude, and be in charge of the greatest crisis the country has known in a century

I don't get how anyone isn't dismayed by this.

>I don't get how anyone isn't dismayed by this.

That's why it's not covered the way you think it should be.

I'm not here just to be a target for your opinion :)

Your old account can be restored. Ask someone else though.

His in was to primary Obama in '12..and get his policies out there...possibly sway some of these Obama folk who were on the fence about how Obama was bought and paid for like he doin Biden...By the time he hit the scene Hilary was locked and loaded...and now Biden is just riding that same "Obama in my back pocket " wave

if anything became clear in this primary is that people hated Hilary more than they love Bernie.

if Biden ran in 16 before he lost a step, Bernie would've been the protest candidate with 20% of the following he has now (if he was lucky.)

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>talking with liberals about politics is a waste of time
>its a cult of personality/popularity contest round these
>parts.
>This is a real problem, as is Biden's obvious dementia.
>Then when he loses to Trump in a landslide due to all of the
>above, its a "Russian plot", "people are stupid", etc.
>American electoral politics are in an incredibly terrible
>state and both parties are absolutely at fault.


They are just gonna blame "people like you" AKA "whoever they don't like."

Liberals and conservatives are truly two sides of the same coin. They pretty-much use the same illogical-but-highly-emotional tactics, but from opposite perspectives. Best to not engage with either side. Just a waste of time.


>And trying to ban dude for posting this is just fucking
>stupid.

and too rare of a take than is usually found here.

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...But getting burn here is telling

all of this is building up a cauldron of fuckery for the Trump re-election campaign. they have other agendas to push, like:

"go ahead and let ya grammy die for the stonks, bro"

I don't know what to believe with the allegations given it's wound down to mostly hearsay at this point

but here's the part I find "hilarious"

celebrity and erstwhile elite motherfuckers who made "Believe Women" or "Believe Survivors" both a personality trait, a merit badge, and a critical firewall, who all pushed Al Franken into resigning, who all screamed "#MeToo" and hand clap emoji'd between each word about the Kavanaugh hearing are all quiet about this allegation.

furthermore: the accuser did go to The Time's Up Legal Fund for help, but was declined because their nonprofit status could be threatened due to Biden's status as a federal candidate. The legal fund's PR firm is SKD Knickerbocker. Anita Dunn, who is the top adviser to Biden's campaign (and a former PR adviser to Harvey Weinstein), is the managing director of this firm.

Again I say "Goddammit, Democrats"

Bring all the Niggalemmings on the Biden Train because he was Obama's sidekick and The Black People In Office said he was good, rode that to a delegate lead in the primary. had niggas out here voting for him in the midst of a pandemic in a state where the GOP gov is basically Cuban B'ing the very real threat.

then the nigga can't form a complete sentence with over a week to prepare, makes comments in magazines about how he doesn't want to get in a political entanglement with Trump during a crisis, and now THIS shit.

Y'all couldn't have cut Liz a check or tried to convince Beto he could be White Barry for these libs, man?

Fuckin' Biden.

Against Trump. Got people hoping and praying CUOMO takes his place.

and not just a fuckin cosplayer, this turn of events should infuriate you. This could quite possibly be the death of your party, in a very real way. If you're a "TRUMP IS SATAN!!!" person, this should have you mad as fuck, cuz the DNC is handing him a victory.

And I ain't even gonna get into the implications of THIS SHIT:

"The legal fund's PR firm is SKD Knickerbocker. Anita Dunn, who is the top adviser to Biden's campaign (and a former PR adviser to Harvey Weinstein), is the managing director of this firm"

the layers to that shit are WIIIIILDE.

As individual news items when everything is trash and has been for most of our adult lives?

and every one that you care about.

And there's a whole ass future out there.

I ask that not to shit on you if you aren't. But that my Black ass reality and those of the generations before me is trying to make the best out of bad situations.
Being angry at politics or politicians doesn't fall into that. Particularly when the binary is that one party wants me dead/subservient outright and the other is more meh about my existence.
So unless I'm gathering a bunch of white people to try to move the needle by numbers, then being outraged doesn't serve me one bit of good.

I'm Black as fuck and this is the stupidest shit I've read in a minute.

Out of touch grandpa
Southern Preacher
Whatabout Bern

It’s like logic limbo...how low will they go

You: How can you support Democratic ideas and not be outraged about this specific thing?
A Black person:Is it anymore gross than anything else?

White people, white power structures have FOREVER been invested in self preservation, why jump at every way that manifests itself? Sounds exhausting.

And the existence of white supremacy is precisely *why* Black folks have to stay engaged & informed politically.

Miss me with that fake ass shit you're pulling outta your ass,bruh

Don't try to dress up apathy & cowardice as some sophisticated strategy.

But you’re screaming at bullshit, and demanding people be as enraged as you, and using that as a hole card
You know outrages me? Gentrification. Like no joke, I get viscerally angry about gentrification. But when others don’t 🤷🏾‍♂️
That doesn’t make them more or lesser than me, just that different things push different buttons.

They aren’t going to put Biden in the crosshairs until after he wins.. it maybe just hope we all forget this ever happened.


I get it but don’t try to play me with all the deflecting and bullshit talking points.

Dude was like "if you really thought like this, you would do this" and I tried to understand if he was Black.

Like, you ever had to call the cops as a Black man? I'm FTP all day, but say you get into a car accident, or get your house broken into, you still gotta deal with that system. That's what life is like, you know that, I know that, everyone knows the time.

And I thought a Black person would understand that.

I believe Joe Biden is a creepy sex pest. Before this allegation, the inappropriate touching, the smelling, the other accusations, his refusal to even distance himself and then make light of other's discomforts, etc. There's not a single thing I like about the man. But watching the Democratic power structure rally around him and sweep shit under the rug, whether this (at this point it's still accusations) or just his general political faults ... it's completely unsurprising, let alone outrageous. So the binary of "your credentials in your believes is measured by your emotional response" is just mind numbing to me. It's childlike in its simplicity. We all go to jobs we hate, live in countries we dislike, date people we can hardly stand, eat foods we can barely tolerate, etc. To try to check someone one what moves their meters has zero upside to trying to build or understand or convince another person, particularly in situations where building numbers is necessary.

Yall hate the power structure? Cool, many people do. But acting holier than thou isn't toppling shit.
Relatedly that's what Eldridge did, and how'd that work out for the people?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3zhz_tbVtZhfbECN8Nmgj07Sdy5-3mUAb7cKqxSYHuaLaGbJjXQJcSsNc


https://fortune.com/2018/09/18/biden-comments-sexual-assault-allegations-brett-kavanaugh/

That good ol' selective outrage.


No surprises considering the URL. Carry on.

I've got a track record of questioning the creditability of these sorts of claims when they sound fishy.

when people pretend to be as remotely concerned about the victim as they are about the purpose they serve.

As long as the serial grabber of pussies is still in office, this is a non story.

Lets stay focused.

mention any of this when she accused Biden of inappropriate touching in early 2019. In fact, she went out of her way to say that she did not think the touching was sexual.

https://www.theunion.com/news/nevada-county-woman-says-joe-biden-inappropriately-touched-her-while-working-in-his-u-s-senate-office/

That's odd.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

instead of, you know, this kinda stuff:

https://twitter.com/SashaBeaulu/status/1242857366737104896?s=20




BUT HE MARCHED WITH KING

and reminisced on the good old days with his segregationist friends - maybe they might've won.

After all - there was only one person in this primary who got arrested going to see Mandela in S. Africa: that's right - Uncle Joe.

Dude did *so* much to earn the Black vote. Unprecedented, really.

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But make excuses for a career sexual predator so he can be POTUS

SMH.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

.

Tried to come up with something similar to this earlier but gave up.

You know, Peabody award winning journalism

they weren't here for this man bun gentrification of the dem party

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

Biden Bros, come get ya boy. It's over.

we be mixing the two up sometimes

it's over, Sleepy Joe

That or more pics of Bern marching in the 60s

when I heard of this, my reaction was pretty much "uh yeah...of course this would come out, everything and everyone is trash"

hey fam, just fuck my shit up.

I can't even comprehend how stupid this timeline is. MY GOD.

https://i.redd.it/3j3uqg6aepp41.jpg

...allegedly...

motherfuckers really gonna vote for this CAC because he was the VP for an administration that didnt even slap.

>motherfuckers really gonna vote for this CAC because he was
>the VP for an administration that didnt even slap.

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-biden-staffer-tara-reade-files-sexual-assault-complaint-2020-4

this play out? Do tye police look into it at all, or do they just tell her "sorry". And close the file?

but I keep seeing people say he's accused of being / is a rapist but I haven't read where anyone said that



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-woman-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault-and-all-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/ <-A breakdown by Salon - whcih some people thing isn't fair to the accuser.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation <-Similar


Why it seems fishy "to some": Last election there was a candiate who on tape said it was okay to "Grab them by the pussy" and he won. Now his opponent is being accused of the very same thing.

Yesterday she filed a complaint "for safety reasons."

Regardless of these accusations - but it's another thing to brush this under the rug and act like it doesn't matter. Biden has been accused by 8 women of inappropriate groping and sexual advances -- he has a problem. You can acknowledge that while still saying you think he's better than Trump.

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In THIS "He Said, She Said" at this point I believe him.

I searched Google for the "8 others", I found this as the most recent artilce. (Link to a better one if you have it.)

These all detail touching shoulders, backs, and foreheads, and saying things that some people think are "creepy."

*I* don't consider any of the ones lsited below as "sexual assaults" in any way. None at all.

Maybe that makes me a MONSTER???

And it seems like none of those 8 have accused hum of sexual misconduct.


https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

Accusation:
Ally Coll, a former Democratic staffer, told The Washington Post that when she met Biden in 2008, he complimented her smile, squeezed her shoulders, and held her "for a beat too long."


Accusation:
Sofie Karasek was photographed holding hands and touching foreheads with Biden at the 2016 Academy Awards. While many saw the moment as powerful, Karasek said she felt Biden had violated her personal space.


Accusation:
Amy Stokes Lappos said Biden "put his hands behind my head and pulled me close and I thought, 'he's going to kiss me'" during a 2009 event.


Accusation:
Caitlyn Caruso told The New York Times that after she shared her story of sexual assault at a University of Nevada event in 2016, Biden hugged her "just a little bit too long" and put his hand on her thigh.


Accusation:
DJ Hill told The Times that at a 2012 fundraising event in Minneapolis, Biden rested his hand on her shoulder and began moving it down her back. Hill said the encounter made her "very uncomfortable."


Accusation when the aritcle was writtem:
Alexandra Tara Reade, who worked at Biden's Senate office in 1993, told The Union that Biden would "put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck." She also alleges that she was told to serve drinks at an event because Biden liked her legs.

Accusation:
Vail Kohnert-Yount, a former White House intern, told The Post that when she met Biden in 2013, he "put his hand on the back of my head and pressed his forehead to my forehead." Kohnert-Yount also said Biden called her a "pretty girl."

Accusation:
In May 2019, Biden told a 10-year-old girl, "I bet you're as bright as you are good-looking."


Accusation:
In June 2019, Biden told the brothers of a 13-year-old girl to "keep the guys away" from her.

>Accusation when the aritcle was writtem:
>Alexandra Tara Reade, who worked at Biden's Senate office in
>1993, told The Union that Biden would "put his hand on my
>shoulder and run his finger up my neck." She also alleges that
>she was told to serve drinks at an event because Biden liked
>her legs.

just a year ago she originally said the touching made her uncomfortable but she didnt consider any of it 'sexualization'.
https://www.theunion.com/news/nevada-county-woman-says-joe-biden-inappropriately-touched-her-while-working-in-his-u-s-senate-office/

now she is accusing him of sexual assault for a new act she didnt originally accuse him of (penetrating her with his fingers)...1st revealing the accusation to currentaffairs/katie halper (diehard bernie stans). then the story bubbled up through the berniesphere (hilltv/krystal ball, theintercept, democracynow).

in 2009 under her original name...she wrote an article and said she left washington because she and her husband got job offers in cali.
https://archive.li/6ykxK#selection-6627.31-6627.87

then in 2018 under her new name...she wrote an article saying she left washington because she was sick of american imperialism and loved russia with all her heart.
https://archive.is/Vi7Hf#selection-273.0-273.520

but then in 2019...when biden was dealing with the inappropriate touching stuff...she said she was forced to leave washington because she was blacklisted by biden.
https://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/alexandra-tara-reade-a-girl-walks-into-the-senate/

before she deleted them from her old twitter account...she had several tweets praising biden for his work on domestic/sexual violence causes just a few years ago.

her story has been mad inconsistent and the details sketchy. which is why more reputable outlets (and the timesup folks) have stayed away from it.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/04/evaluating-tara-reades-claims

Also here is a copy of an email Time's Up sent Tara https://twitter.com/VickiBalfour/status/1249000454534692864?s=20

and this part is relevant from https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/tara-reade-tells-her-story

One of the things I talk about being silenced, and when people say, “Oh, why didn’t you come forward?” Well, I tried, I went to media outlets the summer and before January, nobody ever returned my call. Not one. I went to Warren, I wrote a letter to her… And I was supportive of her becoming president. I would have loved to have seen a woman president. I wrote her. What happened—I alluded to it. I didn’t write details, but I wrote there was something wrong here… No response except a form letter to contact my local representative. I wrote Kamala Harris, I wrote AOC—not one person . I wrote celebrities. I wrote to Ronan Farrow. I wrote the New Yorker, New York Times, Washington Post. And so I want people to know this. It’s not that easy to get your story heard. Not one person answered me, not one. Elizabeth Warren was the only one, and that was a form letter. And I felt so alone and isolated. And the only thing that would happen is once in a while when I would try to put it out on Twitter, saying, Hey, this is wrong, I’m being called a Russian agent, this happened. Biden supporters would just write…you’re a Russian agent, you’re a bot. And it’s being silenced about sexual assault and sexual harassment. It’s like, it’s like a slow death, and I’m not going to let this take me down… Some people will say it didn’t happen and they don’t believe me and I don’t care. The people that need to hear it will, and the survivors that are being silenced that are out there will hear it and they’ll know, okay, we can do this, you can do this. And so I’m telling you, do this, shine a light on it. The last thing people want when they abuse is to be examined. They don’t want that.

"If Biden went down in flames, the only plausible alternative—running Bernie Sanders, who is still on the ballot despite having suspended his campaign—is, for many, completely unthinkable. Senior figures in the party have made it clear before that they see Bernie Sanders as an existential threat to the party. They thus have a strong incentive to do whatever it takes to ensure Biden is in fact nominated."

imagine believing a sexual assault occurred and coming to the conclusion that theres a conspiracy to cover it up to prevent bernie sanders from securing the nomination.

they dont even know how to make the agenda *not* obvious anymore.

literally everything is a conspiracy against bernie now.

the seasoning:
"I do not allege here that senior Democrats would deliberately bury or ignore a serious accusation of sexual assault against their favored candidate in order to make sure Joe Biden successfully clinched the nomination against Bernie Sanders. This would be monstrous. I do note, however, as a matter of pure fact, that at this stage in the primary, those who see Biden as the nominee and Sanders as disastrous/unthinkable have a strong incentive to ignore such an accusation. I am sure they are good people who will resist being influenced by this incentive. Surely they care about truth and morality more than Biden’s career. But the existence of the incentive to ignore it is indisputable."

oh nooooo...i would never suggest they were doing such a thing! im just pointing out that theres a strong incentive for them to do it! now of course...they are good people...but i would understand if they were being not so good here! just something to think about!

>These all detail touching shoulders, backs, and foreheads, and
>saying things that some people think are "creepy."
>
>*I* don't consider any of the ones lsited below as "sexual
>assaults" in any way. None at all.

I said sexual advances. Being touched/groped/grazed in an unwanted fashion is a form of an unwanted sexual advance. Not sure why we're acting brand new all of a sudden. Unwelcome Touching of a woman on the neck, touching/smelling her hair, moving into her personal space etc... is not ok *at all*.


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>I said sexual advances. Being touched/groped/grazed in an
>unwanted fashion is a form of an unwanted sexual advance.

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Sexual advances can be welcome or unwelcome gestures made towards another person with the aim of gaining some sort of sexual favor or gratification.
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none of the women mentioned in the article accused biden of that.

by its very definition.

>-----
>Sexual advances can be welcome or unwelcome gestures made
>towards another person with the aim of gaining some sort of
>sexual favor or gratification.
>-----
>
>none of the women mentioned in the article accused biden of
>that.

Literally all of the women referred to Biden's touching as unwanted - and there's no way for you to know if Biden received any "sexual gratification" from that - but given that he wanted to touch/grope these women without consent, it's likely that he did.

But again - you're missing the point: unwanted touching of a woman on the neck, of her hair, or any other body part and invading her personal space via non-consensual touching is *always* referred to as sexual harassment - by its literal definition.

Really sad that you are contorting yourself to try and give Joe a pass on this.


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have described being sexually harassed by Joe Biden. And one other (Ms. Reade) has filed a case of sexual assault against Mr. Biden.

Just curious: were you defending Kavanaugh with this kind of blind, dismissive indifference to very serious charges? Or do you only play vigorous defense when the accusation(s) are aimed at somebody on your "team"?

>Biden has been accused by 8 women of inappropriate groping and
>sexual advances -- he has a problem.

do you say/do anything anymore that just sticks to the facts?

they did not accuse him of sexual advances. they accused him of touching they deemed inappropriate or violating their personal space (including this accusers original version of her story).
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
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Eight women have accused Biden of touching them inappropriately or invading their personal space in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. None of them said Biden's behavior amounted to sexual harassment or assault.
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this recent accuser (after changing her story) was the 1st one to say anything was sexual.

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. While some forms of sexual harassment involve only inappropriate comments, many involve some sort of unwelcome physical contact. If you’re being touched in an unwanted way by someone you work with, you're being sexually harassed under the law.

For example, many employees who experience unwanted physical contact in the workplace may endure their situations because they are unsure over whether this type of harassment, touching the arms, back, stomach, etc., is actionable. They may justify a person’s behavior through thoughts such as:

“He’s touchy-feely; that’s just the way he is.”
“He doesn’t mean any harm, it’s not my breast or my ass.”
“It’s not that big of a deal, everyone touches.”
“I don’t want to cause trouble (fear of retaliation).”

Although any un-consensual touching is improper, the following are some examples of unwanted touching that has been concluded as sexual harassment:

Groping or touching of body parts (not limited to intimate parts like breasts or crotch)

Caressing or massaging someone without their consent even if it’s just their shoulders

Brushing or rubbing against another person’s body pretending to “squeeze by”

Standing too close so as to cause a contact with someone (even if its forcing you to make the contact because of their close proximity)

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i addressed your claim of 'sexual advances'. that term has a specific definition relating to gaining some sort of sexual favor.

none of the 8 women listed in the article accused him of that.

thats an objective fact.

you replied with an explanation about general sexual harassment for some reason.

the article stated (after thoroughly communicating with the women) that the women asserted their interactions with biden werent sexual harassment. that was the determination of the women themselves.

apparently youre debating them about their own experiences now.

your quote:

"Eight women have accused Biden of touching them inappropriately or invading their personal space in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. None of them said Biden's behavior amounted to sexual harassment or assault."

Whether an individual deems those actions by Biden to be sexual harassment is irrelevant to what the law states - and by law - his unwanted physical groping constitutes sexual harassment, period.

That you subjectively (or even some of the women he groped) don't consider it to be sexual harassment is a non-legal determination. But by letter of the law - it's 100% correct to refer to it as sexual harassment.


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themselves. *theyre* the ones that have absolved him of that categorization. i havent even weighed in on it personally. just informed you of what they said.

if you wanna go around and tell women that you know better about what happened to them than they do...have at it. makes no matter to me.

you switched the focus to that but conveniently keep skipping over the 'sexual advances' part of your original reply and that part being objectively debunked (not even debatable). i know youre a big fan of technical specificity and legal standards. so i figured youd have no problem admitting you included an inaccurate detail/term in your claims about biden.

But debate her and tell her she's wrong if you'd like - I'm simply informing you of what sexual harassment actually means in real life as it pertains to its legal definition.

Per *your* definition, Joe Biden sexually harassed multiple women (by the law's standard, not your erroneous standard).

But this is pretty sad fam. Your fanboy caping for the party has even blinded your ability to objectively call out textbook sexual harassment.


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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13375016&mesg_id=13375016&page=#13377833

we were clearly discussing the original 8 accusations (which werent challenged/disputed by either of us). this is something you obviously understood only 3 replies ago (which is why you made a point to overtly exclude sexual assault). you suffering from that biden cognitive decline fam? lol.

so you harp on a debate over 'sexual harassment'. which i never contested or defined (not sure where you got that from). i just pointed out that the *women themselves* denied that term applied.

i stated in my original reply to you that the behavior he was accused of is categorically different (legal or otherwise) from *'sexual advances'*. but you still continue to skip over your false assertion of 'sexual advances' (which i *was* disputing) and obsess over 'sexual harassment' (which i personally *wasnt* disputing).

and now you accuse me of challenging a woman on her own interpretation of 'sexual assault' based on an accusation that you clearly understood was outside the scope of the accusations we *were* discussing (which is why you made it clear that sexual assault wasnt part of your original reply).

you dont get tired of doing this circular meandering shit and constantly getting called out for it? lol.

And I wouldn't expect you to actually concede that you're wrong about what constitutes sexual harassment - but you did define it almost perfectly with regards to its legal definition when you said this:

"Eight women have accused Biden of touching them inappropriately or invading their personal space in ways that made them feel uncomfortable."

That's essentially the textbook definition of sexual harassment - but you can't admit that because you have to pretend that Biden doesn't have a problem with inappropriate groping and unwanted physical contact.

And lol @ grasping for straws trying to substitute words. The reason I told handle I wasn't referring to sexual assault is because he misquoted my post - but I'd also try to deflect if I were you to try and stop digging myself in a hole.

In short: Biden has been accused of sexual assault - and his behavior towards multiple women is textbook sexual harassment according to the law. But according to Reeq? lol it's nothing but Uncle Joe being Uncle Joe.

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Leave that to Trump.

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Oh wait, you are you.

Sorry for the impossible ask.

just jump on Bernie twitter and copy paste

Original tweet:

https://twitter.com/bicht_bby/status/1249366085326913536/photo/1

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1249365361939660802?fbclid=IwAR0Cax6JEiScGDjQ06L-ONz7Be8zUaKKfFlnES8Sv4ITwzoXuP5cVYYDxLU

If even the NYT can correct itself on this, surely some of you can as well.

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https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

He needs to drop out now.

...i mean, whoever it is has to turn a blind eye to Joe's creepy ways. ...it's embarrassing to think about

>https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a
>
>He needs to drop out now.
>
>
>

Explain to me how that plays out.

Trump is literally on tape saying "grab 'em by the P"....and he's the president. lol

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13283755&mesg_id=13283755&listing_type=search#top

Some of these replies look to now be conflicted by partisanship

She’s a Russian bot
She changed her story
She didn’t file charges initially

Those pretenses were seen as deflections and fallacy

...but here are our resident DNC reps lowering themselves to the same bar...

SMH, idiocy is not endemic to repugs.

the Saviour has too

Will be exploited in the general?

So you acknowledge the hypocrisy?

I see the party is in good hands.

But for Biden?

Entitlement and softballs. And he's now a decisively weaker general election candidate because of it. But hey, at least Sanders didn't become the nominee, right?

It is ironic: the same people who virtue signal ad-nauseum are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh regressives, dismissing viable claims of sexual harassment (and not even knowing what sexual harassment actually is).

Lot of Neera Tanden types blindly caping and vying for prominence, trying to get residuals off that gravy train.

This exchange between Tanden & Harvard students typifies the cognitive dissonance of this iteration of "Democrats":

https://twitter.com/Harvard4Bernie/status/1249355100574773249?s=20
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eventually this has gotta stop though

They'll either be proven right by the accusation if it becomes truth
Or if it shows false they'll say that it was covered up by powers that be

watching these folks sit there and talk about everything except the Sanders campaign itself



I could deal with the Alternative Factz coming from Trump's folks. This is just ... smh

>watching these folks sit there and talk about everything
>except the Sanders campaign itself
>
>
>
>I could deal with the Alternative Factz coming from Trump's
>folks. This is just ... smh
>

How does he KEEP losing to awful candidates?


I'm convinced a couple of these dues are pulling for Trump.


Instead of being upset at the Sanders campaign for their fuck ups, they are going to do their best to take out all of their ire on the terrible candidate...who just kicked their savior's ass without lifting a finger.

>How does he KEEP losing to awful candidates?

"When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry
about his actions"

I see it on here all day and when I was texting for Bernie, whatever the news is pushing that day is parroted back to me ad nauseum.

And before you hit reply yes Sanders and his team made lots and lots of mistakes that I and many of his supporters fully acknowledge.

even when Bernie was in the lead (!)


and especially now that he lost.

>watching these folks sit there and talk about everything
>except the Sanders campaign itself

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.

They prob all group-party watch TYT.

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I don't blanket insult people, I try to be very specific.
That you and the poster Bentagin have been conspiracy theorists on this site longer than you've been political conspiracy theorists isn't really debatable is it?
In fact I'd say you both "pride" yourself in presenting "alternative" views of the world.

you guys have made sure that its part of the national conversation



wel ldone

NYT ran the story on Sunday

You’re saying that’s the result of a poster on an internet message board...?

Feels like a reach

And I'm sympathetic. It's a difficult spot to be aware of the 21st century consequences of explicitly saying "I think that woman who is accusing a powerful man of sexual assault is a liar" while also wanting her to shut up and go away.

It's a tragic flaw of both the English language and contemporary politics there's no good way to preserve one's self image as sensitive to the prevalence of sexual assault and to call a politically inconvenient assault allegation a giant pile of bullshit. So nobody who wants the former is going to do the latter, and instead they're going to reframe everything as campaign maneuvering and tell people who supported Sanders to shut up and go away.

And they're going to win, because they have more people. You'll know they won if this thing blows over with Biden addressing it personally. If they weather the storm with "the campaign" issuing denials, it's a win. And if they don't, and it comes up again in the fall, they'll blame it on people who supported Sanders for broaching the topic in the first place, as though the vampires who work for Trump weren't already giddy that they didn't have to talk about Trump's serial assaults based on Biden's long and public track record of being a creepy sex pest.

both you and bentagain get the virtual hand shake (...cuz pandemic)

the double-standard would be hilarious if it didn't have some real consequences.

the mainstream media is very, very capable of making a sexual assault/rape allegation go viral (no pun intended) and embedded as fact without a fact-finding expedition.

but this is likely why Biden hired Anita Dunn. she has experience.

>but this is likely why Biden hired Anita Dunn. she has
>experience.

More so the Grifter Journalism industry feeding this b.s.

>SMH, idiocy is not endemic to repugs.

And NOT EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.

You keep seeing exact paralels where there are not. And then insulting people for not being as smart as you are.


Also: Your favrotie band? Simple Minds.

as I've said repeatedly.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

saying things repeatedly makes it a meme, not necessarily a fact

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

...and it's 100% real, although YouTube keeps deleting versions of it. (wonder why?)

https://youtu.be/ZAymXlGSplU




Politics less real than the WWE right now. Just one fucked-up old dude (Trump) vs. another fucked-up old dude (Biden).

I know an old dude who is like that… In my head he is harmless… But dude creeps me out… Gets real close to your face… Especially if you're a child...

https://youtu.be/5jJ-x1-20ro

uh... https://www.accredited-times.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Joe-Biden.jpg




Not trying to beat up on Biden, just tired of picking between the lesser of two evils.

I've found terrible photos of Trump fondling young girls as well. They (politicians) ALL seem messed-up.

Just wish I had an option to vote for that I could actually feel good about.

as Jeff Sessions seems to understand Joe's behavior perfectly when he is seen swatting his hand away from this child here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_D5D3oj-4 (ignore the channel it comes from, it's getting hard to find)

it’s damn near robotic.

The fuck dude always smelling hair for?

Prolly exhales into little jars at home and puts them on the shelf

Can’t have it both ways
There’s still time to get out in front of this
...that VP pick gonna be interesting...

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-says-silencing-bidens-sexual-assault-accuser-gaslighting-calls-dnc-1497931

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ SAYS SILENCING BIDEN'S SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSER IS 'GASLIGHTING,' CALLS FOR DNC DISCUSSION

BY DANIEL VILLARREAL ON 4/15/20 AT 12:30 AM EDT
New York Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on Tuesday night that she believes the Democratic Party has an obligation to examine a sexual assault allegation made against presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden by Tara Reade, his former aide when he served as Delaware's senator.

In response to a question about the allegations during an online conversation with The Wing—a group dedicated to the "professional, civic, social, and economic advancement of women through community"—Ocasio-Cortez said, "I think it's legitimate to talk about these things."

"If we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know, both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you," she added.

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New York Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on Tuesday night that she believes the Democratic Party has an obligation to examine a sexual assault allegation made against presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden by Tara Reade, his former aide when he served as Delaware's senator.

In response to a question about the allegations during an online conversation with The Wing—a group dedicated to the "professional, civic, social, and economic advancement of women through community"—Ocasio-Cortez said, "I think it's legitimate to talk about these things."

"If we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know, both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you," she added.

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While Biden has denied Reade's accusation, Ocasio-Cortez said that not discussing #MeToo issues in order to improve Biden's chances of beating President Donald Trump during the November election is the "exact opposite of integrity."

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"I find this kind of silencing of all dissent to be a form of gaslighting.... A lot of us are survivors, and it's really, really hard and uncomfortable," she said.

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Ocasio-Cortez is one of the highest-profile representatives of the Democratic Party's progressive wing, which opposed Hillary Clinton's candidacy in 2016.

This election cycle, Democratic party leaders have been taking pains to avoid a similar fracturing of support for Biden, with President Barack Obama delaying his endorsement of his former vice president until after Biden's main competitor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), had first endorsed him.


Reade filed a criminal complaint with the Washington Metropolitan Police Department against Biden. She accuses him of pushing her against a wall and penetrating her with his fingers. She says the incident occurred nearly 30 years ago. She also said the then-senator would put his hand on her shoulder or run his finger along her neck and that of other women.


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Kate Bedingfield, Deputy Campaign Manager and Communications Director for Biden's campaign, said in a statement that Reade's accusation was false.

"Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women," Bedingfield's statement read. "He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard—and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press. What is clear about this claim: It is untrue. This absolutely did not happen."

Nevertheless, Reade said she wanted to come forward with her claims to ensure that "powerful men" are held accountable.

"I have been smeared and called vile names by Biden supporters. I was also accused of being called a Russian agent. I am not," Reade tweeted. "I will continue to speak out." health wellness

While Biden has denied Reade's accusation, Ocasio-Cortez said that not discussing #MeToo issues in order to improve Biden's chances of beating President Donald Trump during the November election is the "exact opposite of integrity."

"I find this kind of silencing of all dissent to be a form of gaslighting.... A lot of us are survivors, and it's really, really hard and uncomfortable," she said.

Ocasio-Cortez is one of the highest-profile representatives of the Democratic Party's progressive wing, which opposed Hillary Clinton's candidacy in 2016.

This election cycle, Democratic party leaders have been taking pains to avoid a similar fracturing of support for Biden, with President Barack Obama delaying his endorsement of his former vice president until after Biden's main competitor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), had first endorsed him.


Reade filed a criminal complaint with the Washington Metropolitan Police Department against Biden. She accuses him of pushing her against a wall and penetrating her with his fingers. She says the incident occurred nearly 30 years ago. She also said the then-senator would put his hand on her shoulder or run his finger along her neck and that of other women.


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Kate Bedingfield, Deputy Campaign Manager and Communications Director for Biden's campaign, said in a statement that Reade's accusation was false.

"Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women," Bedingfield's statement read. "He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard—and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press. What is clear about this claim: It is untrue. This absolutely did not happen."

Nevertheless, Reade said she wanted to come forward with her claims to ensure that "powerful men" are held accountable.

"I have been smeared and called vile names by Biden supporters. I was also accused of being called a Russian agent. I am not," Reade tweeted. "I will continue to speak out."

also pointing out how things started on the left and got co-opted by the right (which is becoming a more frequent pattern).

for people who ask the difference between this and dr ford...well for one...every single aspect of fords story didnt change (sometimes several versions).

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden-democrats/
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The Troublesome Tara Reade Story

Left- and right-wing Biden haters demanded that the media investigate her sexual assault charge. It did—and uncovered many reasons to doubt.


There is no evidence that former vice president Joe Biden, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, sexually assaulted aide Tara Reade in 1993. There is no evidence that he did not. Reade claims he did—specifically, that he pushed her against a wall and digitally penetrated her against her will, when she worked in his US Senate office. Biden’s campaign firmly denies it.

The story originated on the left, just about three weeks ago, when diehard Bernie Sanders supporter Katie Halper hosted Reade on her podcast, and encouraged her to tell her story publicly for the first time in 27 years. The story took off from there, on the left and the right, with certain Sanders supporters and Donald Trump backers (whose own man is credibly accused of sexual assault or extreme harassment by more than a dozen women) accusing the mainstream media of pro-Biden bias for not investigating the charges against him.

But to those who hectored the media to investigate the allegations about Biden, believing it would validate Reade’s charges, the old adage applies: Be careful what you wish for.

In the last two days, mainstream outlets, including The New York Times, Associated Press, have taken deep dives into Reade’s charges, and come up with a whole lot of confusion. Even in the era of #MeToo, Reade’s story is problematic. For one thing, she’s changed it multiple times. Last year, she came forward to echo the charges of Las Vegas activist Lucy Flores (who said Biden once grabbed her shoulders and kissed the back of her head), telling the Associated Press that he “rubbed her shoulders and neck” and “played with her hair” several times when she worked for him in 1993.

That’s not good, but it’s not rape.

Reade now says she made claims of sexual harassment, but not assault, to her supervisors in Biden’s office; they vehemently deny hearing any such complaint. She says she was told to find a new job by a supervisor, but she has also changed her recollection of which supervisor it was when speaking to reporters in recent weeks (all of the people she named deny it). The AP contacted 21 former Biden staffers, none of whom remember any Reade complaint against their boss. Reade also claims she complained to the Senate personnel office; there is no record of it.

Just last Thursday, Reade filed a complaint with the Washington, DC, police department, but told the Post she did so, in its reporters’ words, “because she is being harassed online and wanted law enforcement to be aware of her claim.” The public record of the claim doesn’t name Biden but says Reade “disclosed that she was the victim of a sexual assault” in 1993.

She does have a friend who confirms that Reade told her about the assault at the time; the friend insists on remaining anonymous, but has spoken to multiple outlets. In corroborating sexual assault charges, that can be an important piece of evidence. Reade’s brother, in the past, has said she told him, too. But he briefly changed his story for The Washington Post, saying only that she’d told him about harassment by Biden, then texting a Post reporter to say he did remember his sister saying Biden touched her “under her clothes.” (Her brother refused to talk to the Times, AP, or Salon).

Finally, Reade seems to have, or have had, a strange obsession with Russian President Vladimir Putin. In an op-ed posted on Medium in 2018, she wrote, “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.” Since the Biden assault story broke, she has insisted she was merely writing a novel about Putin, but the Medium post was pretty clearly a political screed, headlined “Why A Liberal Democrat Supports Vladimir Putin.” She claimed that she quit working for Biden because she loves “Russia with all my heart” and was sickened by “the reckless imperialism of America” As the Times’ Michelle Goldberg points out, last December she tweeted, bizarrely, “I worked for the Senate, I know the plan to bring Russia to its knees.” She now repudiates Putin.

Respecting Putin does not discredit her; again, her changing stories here hurt her credibility.

Where does this leave us? Reade’s shifting stories are a huge problem, as they would be for anyone claiming to be the victim of a crime. And as someone who has personally criticized Biden for his persistent invasion of women’s personal space—up to and including multiple accounts of touching and kissing—I find her allegation hard to believe. Is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? No.

And here’s why, in addition to Reade’s credibility issues: In his closely documented, almost 50-year career, there have been no other similar claims against Biden. The Times interviewed the other seven women who came out last year to accuse Biden of touching them against their will; none said his behavior crossed the line to sexual assault. After many dozen interviews, with Reade and her friends, along with lawyers and two dozen Biden staffers, the writers concluded: “The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.” Men who do what Reade says Biden did tend to do it more than once (see Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Donald Trump). Also, once an allegation like Reade’s surfaces, others usually follow. They have not, at least so far.

Biden was not my primary candidate. I went so far as to say on CNN that he shouldn’t run, and here at The Nation that his behavior toward women was virtually disqualifying. (I also predicted he wouldn’t win the nomination, so what do I know. Though he was not my choice, he won it, and I’ll support him.)

Bernie Sanders wasn’t my top choice either, but I trust his integrity. I find it hard to imagine that if Sanders believed Biden was a rapist, he’d have enthusiastically endorsed him on Monday. (Elizabeth Warren followed Sanders today.)

Most troubling to me about this whole story—besides Reade’s obvious pain over whatever happened—is the way folks on the left are using it to smear feminists and Democrats who have a hard time believing her charge. “For Elite Democrats, Joe Biden’s Candidacy Means Ditching #MeToo,” Liza Featherstone wrote in Jacobin. (I guess that now includes Sanders.) When I watched a video of the Sanders endorsement on his site late Monday, dozens of rolling on-screen commenters called Biden a “rapist.” That’s repugnant. (Now that the mainstream media has investigated Reade’s claims, Jacobin, predictably, finds the coverage lacking.)

It’s true, for a time, that one of the slogans that emerged from the nascent #MeToo movement was “Believe women.” But it was never that simple; nobody ever said, or meant, “Believe every woman, no matter how incredible or undocumented her claim.” The point was to give women’s accounts of sexual assault a fair and respectful hearing: first, hopefully, by police; or, if she made her claim to the media, by reporters.

Reporters have done just that with Tara Reade. Her allegation against Biden doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny. And bullying by the left or right won’t change that.

and not those who are driven by politics.

Will she get the same compassion or is it all based on who is accused and when?

Any other time if people on here doubted her story they would be shamed but now that Biden is up next folks are willing to look at all the facts and wait.

Nothing good will come from this.

It comes from an obscure website and an anonymous author but just might be a hint of things to come.

https://theologycorner.net/blog/uncategorized/do-i-have-to-vote-for-a-rapist-if-i-live-in-a-swing-state/

That message strikes to my core, because I, too, was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden. But if I go public, will I be called a liar? Will I be accused of being a Russian agent? Will my family and friends be attacked for corroborating my story? Will the media ignore me for weeks, followed by Alyssa Milano going on a podcast to suggest that that is a reason not to believe that it is true? Will the national media attempt to cast doubt upon my credibility? Will those on the short-list to become Biden’s vice-presidential nominee remain quiet and hope this blows over? Will half the country brush me aside and claim that at least my assaulter isn’t as bad as the current assaulter-in-chief?

....the establishment has foolishly put all their chips on biden ..don't expect anything from the major "liberal" networks. ...Pretty much expect the media to cover these accusations the same way Fox News covered them for Trump's accusations.

We all lose either way... We can have another 4 years of Trump. Or we can elect a senile centrist rapist.. Hopefully Warren is the VP pick, because that would be the only saving grace in this embarrassing situation.

or at least give the impression of actually giving a fuck

Have Biden and team host an online forum to discuss the issue

culminating in Biden acknowledging his creepy behavior and making an overt public apology to all of his victims

This burying the lead and attacking accusers...is not the move.

If Biden could be presented as coming around on the issue...I think that would do worlds of good for him in the general

But what's been offered to date must make it very hard for survivors to support his candidacy

>But what's been offered to date must make it very hard for
>survivors to support his candidacy

it's really got to be upsetting for someone who survived or is currently in a abusive situation... and lets not kid ourselves, thats millions of potential voters. Literally ALL of the other candidates (other than Bloomberg) would have been a better pick than Biden..

when you're really talking about your own political preferences.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>when you're really talking about your own political
>preferences.

yup.. you did it.

also it wasn't an assumption.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Yes. Plus there is this which Joe could easily remedy.

https://twitter.com/krystalball/status/1252759308577787904?s=20

Tara Reade says she filed a sexual harassment complaint with a senate personnel office. Biden’s camp denies this ever happened. If a record exists, it would be housed at @UDelaware but they are keeping Biden’s records sealed.

And @UDelaware -- which houses the collection of Joe Biden's senatorial papers -- just confirmed to me that the papers "will remain closed to the public until two years after Mr. Biden retires from public life."

>or at least give the impression of actually giving a fuck
>
>Have Biden and team host an online forum to discuss the issue
>
>culminating in Biden acknowledging his creepy behavior and
>making an overt public apology to all of his victims
>

Also admit that even if he did that or more, you and the rest of the Bernie nuts would still be disparaging him at every turn and still be airing out grievances (and still not vote for him)

I want you all to have a deep understanding that you *points directly at you and yours* being the messengers and advocates for this comes off as no more than sour grapes and bitterness, please don’t delude urselves to think you are considered to be some kind of moral authority when ur going so hype over this becuz ur guy lost.

That goes for you, vex, MP whatever the fuck, reaction’s Canadian ass, etc. y’all not the ones to carry this banner. Way too damaged.

Please also send all this to Bernie, as he has endorsed Biden as well.

Thank you.

No, but that doesn't change the information. I am Canadian but spend a lot of time in the US and have family there too. I was so excited about the Bernie movement because the US was on the verge of leapfrogging Canada which would have improved things here and around the world. If I could vote in the US it would probably be Green this election. The best scenario I can see personally is for Biden to go through the ringer for all the terrible things he has done personally and policy wise but for him to end up winning in the end by like one electoral vote and then have a progressive primary him in 2024. Preferably one who unlike Bernie isn't afraid to pull punches.

But you do you.

1. Not even be able to participate in any of this election
2. Not spend any amount of time building up his preferred choice in an election that he can't participate in
3. Spend his only time here sowing dissent and hurling accusations about an election that he can't participate in

Like the sheer fucking gall

There were 1000's of international people that were highly involved in the election this year and in 2016. It is not illegal to volunteer or phonebank or textbank or knock on doors, it's only illegal to donate money. At the height of the primary on the 500k member reddit group SandersForPresident there was probably a post every 6 hours about how somebody international could help the Sanders campaign. There were phonebanking and texting events happening all over the world all the time. People traveled from Norway, Australia, Germany, England etc. to knock on doors. I personally knocked on doors in Iowa, Michigan and NY in 2016.

Many non US residents hate to see all the suffering that is caused by your health system and your levels of poverty and want to help. Also the US disproportionately affects the world more than any other country because of wars and trade and climate etc, especially Canada. At the end of the day we are all just humans and there are no borders from space, I'm interested in improving the lives of fellow humans no matter where they live.

It's ironic that many Americans say they would like to move to Canada to escape politics when under a Bernie administration many Canadians would want to be Americans because we don't have dental coverage or a pharmacare plan like Medicare for All proposed. We don't have free college, most provinces don't have a $15 min wage etc. If the US did that it would not only help the people there but would bleed into Canada as Ontario didn't raise their minimum wage to $15 until after Bernie popularized it in 2016 (and it was dropped to $14 by Doug Ford).

Americans all over the world overwhelmingly voted for Bernie in Democrats Abroad primaries in 2016 and 2020 because they see what these other societies have that the US lacks and want them to have it too. As I say it also goes both ways, for example, I follow an activist from Yemen who is a big Bernie supporter because he has tried to help stop the Yemen war. Bernie's movement would have been such a boon to the whole world and is a missed opportunity of historic proportions for so many reasons.

>Many non US residents hate to see all the suffering that is
>caused by your health system and your levels of poverty and
>want to help.

Just one.

Canvassing is hard. I'm happy he did it. The United States is a big, swinging dick in the world and folks abroad have a good reason to care what happens here.

Could be any city any month, which?

Here ... I'll do the work for you

"I personally knocked on doors in Iowa, Michigan and NY in 2016."

So 4 years ago he knocked on some doors in the primary ... and now he has a right to not build anything at all, but to snipe the Democratic candidate and infrastructure with ZERO, while elevating and spreading unsubstantiated rumors, while also not one iota criticism about the Republican party or candidate.

At least Vex, Bentagin and whatever other goofy fucks that I don't at all agree with will say that the Republicans are trash, what does this guy do?

He does. He has a right to do all that stuff.

What gives him the right to participate in a democracy that's not his own?

Bernie Sanders joined and aligned with all of the principles of the civil rights movement and then did NONE of the coalition building that it was founded upon for the next 6 decades of life.

Minimum wage, lack of health care, disparity in life outcomes, the prison complex, etc in the US have always been founded upon one thing, maintaining white supremacy. If white people get caught in the cross hairs of that, a lot of them have been more than willing to play along to maintain social capital.

That Bernie Sanders was unwilling, after 4 years of being in the spotlight, to confront that reality is his fault. And it's why Black people en masse, shied away from him.

So you can eat a bag of dicks trying to elevate those principles from abroad on our backs. My ancestors were brought to this country on boats and then bred. They built and sustained this county and survived as long as they could while working to build a better life for their people directly. So you can keep all of your justice platitudes for yourself, in America there's no justice without racial justice.

...maybe take a break from childish insults tonight and watch Bernie's Town Hall with the leaders of the country’s major postal unions ..how the federal government can act to save the postal system


Watch tonight at 7 p.m. ET at:
http://live.berniesanders.com.

Meanwhile I resigned from the Postal Service, HQ last year as an EAS 25
But I'm sure there's a lot more that I could learn from Bernie Sanders about operational sustainability within the organization that I acquired a Black Belt from.

..but you're just trolling as usual i guess

Aknee ting else?

lol

Fuck outta here. It's a wild stretch to say bags of dicks is a homophobic slur. But it's also wild convenient for a white man to ignore specific black grievances and try to distract under the umbrella of "informing"

...now you're upset because you think I didn't read your post? ...you're being a big internet baby here

...now you're upset because you think I didn't read your post? ...you're being a big internet baby here

"But it's also wild convenient for a white man to ignore specific black grievances and try to distract under the umbrella of "informing""


Even more wild when you casually peruse a posters history to see when if ever they've talked about racism or racist events and just crickets over the course of at least 4 years, particularly in the age of Trump


Which, by all means if Bernie and music is your shit to post about, I'm not right to judge.
Let me repeat that, if all you want to post about is Bernie and music
I am
not
right
to
judge
you
for
that

But it's noticeable how you avoid race.

Like, the last post is November 2016
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13091774&mesg_id=13091774&listing_type=search#13091972

To "what about religion" in response to Doc talking specifically about white supremacy.

because he addressed all those things Bernie didn’t?

There's a difference.
That Sanders effectively ran for 4 years and Joe Biden did diddly squat for 4 years and barely campaigned, yet people still felt comfortable to leave their houses to vote for him says more about the opposition than it does the man.
His name might as well have been "generic Democratic white guy with name recognition"

It also says a lot about the corporate backed media infrastructure that rammed polling and buzzwords like "electability" down to the people at the expense of talking about any substantial issues that directly impact their lives much more than who's at the top of the ticket.

The amount of leg work a person has to do to become an informed citizen is frankly overwhelming and I can't shit on people too hard for going with known quantities in the face of that.

pretty much clinched the nom on the 1st multi-state primary day.

won over 80% of the counties previously won by the (then current) frontrunner who had a massive fundraising advantage. and won something like all but 1 county in the important swing states post super tuesday.

if that aint flocking then i dont know what is.

It's been one of the stronger drivers of voting turnout
That even if dude isn't on the ballot, he's on the mind of any and every election.


Here's a quick search for an article
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/2020-election-voter-turnout-could-be-record-breaking/591607/


Biden isn't energizing anyone. Anti-Republican sentiment has done that more than anything.

with an opponent equally as known with a shit ton more money and state level infrastructure.

anti trump fervor doesnt solely explain why record numbers of *primary* voters chose *him* over his opponent in a blowout.

I'm completely unconvinced that Joe Biden was a driver of historic turnout.
Before this primary he had never won a single state in a primary
He also barely campaigned and had little to no ground game

driven by anti-bush sentiment (even tho he was term limited).

neither of them were winning primary voters by a lopsided margin like biden vs sanders.

so why has record turnout in 2020 been so disproportionately tilted toward 1 candidate? (virtually 2:1 margin head to head).

seems pretty obvious/conclusive to me.

than about their own house



Picture me poppin off about Canada politics lmao

So that they could reap residual benefits
What about what we have to give up to get to what he wants us to be?

Dirt for the last several months.

Start making some posts about Canadian politics and we can chime in likewise then.

If he gets to November without being pressed for as little as a public denial from his mouth instead of campaign staff, then it's a pretty substantial failure by the "we're not FOX News" portion of our news media.

You are almost certainly correct that this hope is unwarranted.

But I'm going to cross my fingers that there's a reporter or two who thinks that it's worthwhile getting Joe Biden himself on record about this.

even if republicans are hella disingenuous in their exploitation, it's a weakness and so far the defense seems to be 'lalala i'm not listening', or worse discrediting Tara Reade in ways that are very similar to how republicans did Christine Blasey Ford.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Anonymous stories on obscure websites... c'mon fam. Might as well site a twitter bot. Shit is next level stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Update: while it is typical for a criminal complaint filed out of statute--like the one Tara Reade filed against Joe Biden--to be closed/archived, DC Metro Police confirmed to me, 11 days later, "This is an active investigation..."

https://twitter.com/RichMcHugh/status/1252660008807993344

When confronted by BLM protesters in 2015, she basically dismissed them, and billy clint went full on victim blaming

This is that

Biden and crew straight dismissing and attacking the accuser

This is the same mistake

Address the issue.

They won’t say a word about it unless their backs are against the wall.

I know you don't give a damn about accusations of rape/sexual assault

repubs dont have a distinct subgroup dedicated to smearing and damaging politicians in their own party (even *after* a primary).

cats dont/wont even vote but still spend all their time just dissuading/discouraging the people that actually do/will.

GOP extremist are quick to call someone a rhino when they lean left on an issue or don’t follow the hard line presented by the “winners” in their party.

the difference (not sure how wide) is the GOP still votes party first.

I think the Dems do as well but of course, since some of them aren’t actually Dems they may sit out... which is really no different than the Liberitarians who vote 3rd party.

or a McCain, they will push their listeners to fall in line and vote for the only real not Obama option which isn't 3rd party or stay home.

all these purists wanted Ted Cruz an didn't even consider Trump a conservative, but he's what they were stuck with. Even Ted Cruz fell in line hard for Trump.

for whatever reason, a lot of lefties are less practical and up their own ass about shit like this, and say fake deep shit like "lesser evil is still evil"

McCain was trashed and people stayed home. They had to get an Alaskan hack on the ballot to help his ass out.

Romney? Same thing.. people stayed home on the right.

We just don’t care how or why when they lose..

Dems tho.. when we lose it’s the blame game for all the people who didn’t vote or “attacked” the candidate which actually happens to every gotdamn candidate ever 4 years.

When Romney and McCain lost, the Limbaugh/Levin types went off about how they lost because they weren't true conservatives, but really they lost because they were running against Obama. At worst they'd say conservatives stayed home, but what they DIDN'T do is encourage their listeners to vote for whatever their version of Jill Stein was, because they knew a vote for that person is a vote for Obama.

no one on Limbaugh’s level on the left encouraged anyone to vote 3rd party.

in the heat of a general election.

point me to the republican equivalent. name a notable individual or voting bloc that exists in reality (and not just hypothetically).

you said yourself they fall in line with the party. which by definition would make the left subgroup different from them.

You even admitted the shock of Biden getting working class whites. They weren’t fans of Hillary.

Basically anytime a politician loses you can point to a group on the left or right for not supporting them or attacking them.

that attacks the repub ge nominee, tells repubs to vote 3rd party, etc.

tell me who is the right wing equivalent to people like this...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPyKOgjXkAABcCh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc5u8kEWoAENfpe.jpg

>You even admitted the shock of Biden getting
>working class whites. They weren’t fans of Hillary.

youre mistaking biden winning working class white *dem primary* voters with him winning them in the general. and no ive never been shocked that biden won them. i clearly stated that as one of his potential strengths here:
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13211439&mesg_id=13211439&listing_type=search

>Basically anytime a politician loses you can
>point to a group on the left or right for not
>supporting them or attacking them.

but theres a distinct *ideological* subgroup on the left with a specific/rotating cast of characters that routinely sabotages elections. its part of their historically reinforced identity. the fact that you keep pointing to hypothetical ambiguous groups/people and not anyone specific on the right is proving my original point.

That’s your people?

Cmon bruh...

explains a lot.

Lmao.

because they have no influence on the left of course lol.

do you ever think any of this stuff out before you type it?

and you still havent listed *1* single notable republican known for bashing the nominee and/or incumbent republican office holders on a consistent basis.

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>but theres a distinct *ideological* subgroup on the left with
>a specific/rotating cast of characters that routinely
>sabotages elections. its part of their historically
>reinforced identity. the fact that you keep pointing to
>hypothetical ambiguous groups/people and not anyone specific
>on the right is proving my original point.
>




You need to understand the history of electoral politics to grasp this though .


A lot of these cats sound brand new and iont get it

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

.

surely you're not voting for either of these guys right



right?

by the sexual assault allegation and nancy pelosis ice cream/freezer.

in the real world...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1251844067354435585

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWD0WRkWoAEhH25?format=jpg&name=900x900

also trump is dead in the middle of mishandling a health/economic crisis (along with other 1st term baggage). in 2016...he had a clean slate politically. no negative record around his neck.

>also trump is dead in the middle of mishandling a
>health/economic crisis


Curious if his voter base cares or not

And that’s generous, hardcore is really like 40%

What his epic mishandling and childishness does tho is drive the suburbanites who crossed party lines in 18 and independents who went dem in 18 further away from trump

When it comes to his base, everyone needs to accept what he said is true that he could shoot someone in the middle of Times Square and he is good with them.

They’re deplorables anyway :-)

his crisis rally/bump has completely reversed in virtually every poll (even rasmussen), his approval is dropping across the board (economy, pandemic, general, etc), and theres no signs of it stopping any time soon (deaths, unemployment, etc only gonna get worse).

>his crisis rally/bump has completely reversed in virtually
>every poll (even rasmussen), his approval is dropping across
>the board (economy, pandemic, general, etc), and theres no
>signs of it stopping any time soon (deaths, unemployment, etc
>only gonna get worse).

The deaths aren't gonna stop. But if people do just enough to make it not-exponential nationwide, then everyone will get numb to it. Trump's gonna continue writing it all off as an act of god. And the more routine it all becomes, the farther we'll get from Trump's most obvious fuckups, and the more people will fall for his excuses.

regardless of the reason/cause...voters dont tend to let incumbents fix their own economic downturns.

its not just about overtly blaming trump for it (tho many obviously will). its about voters just instinctively/habitually wanting to try a new direction when things get rough.

repubs have been getting hammered in elections with sub-4% unemployment. what do you think is gonna happen with 15-20% (or even higher)?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AdeptSleepyFlea-size_restricted.gif

like reallllly badly

Statement. How are you attributing emotion to that. The all caps on the LOST could just be an attempt to make it really sink in to those who can’t accept it

People talking about primaries are competitive to justify the shite they are *still* posting when the primary is completely over. There is no competition any longer.

New Evidence Supporting Credibility of Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Joe Biden Emerges

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/

In August 1993 Reade's mother called into Larry King on CNN and said the following:

KING: San Luis Obispo, California, hello.
CALLER: Yes, hello. I’m wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington? My daughter has just left there, after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him.
KING: In other words, she had a story to tell but, out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn’t tell it?
CALLER: That’s true.

Not the police????????

Let's solve this one - ask her mom. Which senator? What did he do? Why respect him?

Well then the only other option is: SERIAL RAPIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <-That's all the !'s I can afford.


TROLL GARBAGE.

Her mom passed in 2016

The Intercept is not troll garbage

Are you okay?

and then trash sources like The Intercept (founded by a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist) - which enshrines the spirit of the Fifth Estate in its actual investigative journalism.

I mean - I guess it ain't The View Politics with Whoopi & McCain - but who could possibly compete with that?

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we're really out here waving partisan banners like this?

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Come with some evidence that shows any sort of proof of anything or shut the fuck and go away and come back when you have some.

Right now this is troll bullshit.

This isn't Kavanaugh------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is Al Franken - who was set-up and kicked out the party like you want Joe Biden to . (remember he was assaulting a woman via a bullet proof vest - it's stops bullets but not hands.)

Literally we have someone in office NOW who said "You can grab them by the pussy" AND THE RIGHT AROUND RE-ELECTION TIME we have someone saying "Oh, 27 years ago the other guy DID grab me by the pussy" so suddenly it's both sides?? now they're both the same - so you can't vote for either.

Do you see how that seems fishy? And less than believable without some sort of proof.

Fuck that noise - and fuck you for being true to yourself - because you're being a real fucking asshole. (Judging by your online persona - you could be a fucking mench IRL -- I doubt it.)

Come with some proof that's not "well people think he's kind of creepy and some lady who said a bunch of nice things about him now she he actually raped her 27 years ago" and I'll reevaluate.

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don’t get mad when you attack an accuser and then get compared to people who attacked an accuser a year ago.

The hypocrisy is amazing.

This is the problem with trying to bring down a political figure with rape allegations.

Kavanaugh gets accused and it’s “I believe her, why would she lie, HS party bro!!”

Biden gets accused and “it’s all lies, we need proof, it’s a troll post”

This is why I didn’t like the Kavanaugh angle and didn’t think it would stick. It’s hard to prove and the only people who will believe it are the people on the opposing side.

you sound like shit for not believing an accusation and honestly, you shouldn’t ever look like shit for honestly questioning an accusation but here we are in 2020. The problem is how honest are you being right now? Are we only to believe accusations when they help our side win?

polticizing rape allegations in a political culture in which every federal employee for the last 20 years is like 3 degrees from Epstein or Weinstein is a recipe for disaster.


or diversion.

>every federal employee for the last 20 years is like 3 degrees
>from Epstein or Weinstein is a recipe for disaster.
>
>
>or diversion.

Specifically because after the quoted part the article mentions that nobody addressed it (her statement) and it veered off into something else.
But without the transcript we have no ability to know the context of what came before the call.

The context is, the call corroborates key parts of reade's story

She told her mother about the sexual harassment
Her mother called the Larry king show about the sexual harassment

That's the context.

Stop deflecting

The call could’ve been about drugs in Washington or prostitutes or rape or a money scandal or being fired or puppies. People are inferring a context.
Which is why it would be really helpful to have either the full conversation or the transcript.

You know what doesn’t happen in journalism.
An allegation doesn’t surface from a secondary source on 4/22
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/tara-reades-friend-speaks-out-ryan-grim-and-rich-mchugh
Have a full article on 4/23 with a good number of inferences based off an edited clip while literally not at all confirming that the caller is the mom in the first place
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/

No journalist worth their salt or editor worth their salt allows this into an article about allegations:

-and the reference to going to the press makes clear that the caller is talking about more than just generic problems at the office. The problems, she makes clear, would damage the senator if exposed. <—-(Inferred)

-What the emergence of the call shows is that even if Reade’s memory is off on timing or details, the substance of her claims — in this case, that her mother called Larry King and discussed her situation — can still be true.<—— (assumed)


The call also calls into question the credibility of Biden’s denial. Reade said that she filed a complaint about Biden’s harassment with Marianne Baker, effectively the office manager in the Biden office <—— (in what specific way does the call do this)

Here I went and found whatever the transcript is myself:

https://twitter.com/fliedgaff/status/1253813651372249089?s=21

They’re episode is about what a toxic environment is and how that could have contributed to Vince Fosters death. Sexual assault nor rape is mentioned.


This is Reddit / Shaun King level of “journalism” and that’s why a full transcript of the episode of Larry king needs to be released.

SMH.

BTW, Biden hasn’t made a statement IRT allegations

...so I’m assuming you also are not reading the articles where that is clearly stated...

His campaign has been playing defense

Biden, himself, has not addressed the allegations


Joe Beenhidin

This article isn’t good, it’s both poorly written and edited in addition to lacking context of its central claim.

As far as not addressing claims, presidential candidates or actual presidents don’t address every claim.
For the longest there was a white gay man that claimed he was Obama’s secret lover. He never addressed it.

https://twitter.com/mare_rescue/status/1251663325395468288

https://twitter.com/maudi63/status/1252086970102185985


You know those people love their animals.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The cognitive dissonance it's gonna take for democrats to back Biden at the polls this Nov will be absolutely impressive.

he bragged about grabbing pussy on a hot mike and some of the women who accused him are credible while also thinking that claim against Biden isn't credible given the accusers history and changing story.

Only the internet and people arguing in bad faith think that this is a hard thing to reconcile.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWu9xnCWAAI4rJM?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/tara-reade-neighbor/index.html
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The Washington Post interviewed Reade's brother, Collin Moulton, who told the paper that she had told him in 1993 that Biden had "behaved inappropriately by touching her neck and shoulders" but not about the alleged sexual assault. Several days after that interview with Reade's brother, the Post said, "he said in a text message that he recalled her telling him that Biden had put his hand 'under her clothes.'"
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Because if they aren't going after the story as viciously as they did Trump, it's a terrible, terrible look.

"the media"

remind me of this vicious trump pursuit, I'd love to relive the glory days.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>Because if they aren't going after the story as viciously as
>they did Trump, it's a terrible, terrible look.

Maybe you meant vigorously...anyway there was nothing vicious about how the media covered trumps multiple, well documented and substantiated sexual assaults.

And Tara reades story is being covered by all reputable media outlets and of course exploited by the right wing media outlets who were silent and killing stories about trumps crimes.

So I don’t know what you’re getting at.

From the perspective of someone who lives outside of the US, all we say all day on the news was reports of Trump and his trying to pay off a porn star to keep quiet, "grab em by the pussy", and the long list of women he sexually harassed etc. Michael Avanetti was on every network it seemed.

That's what I mean.

So since I'm not as tuned into current US politics, I'm wondering how y'all see the coverage of this Biden story. Does it differ in any way from how Trump was covered?

a. because he was on TV with people defending trump.

b. it was all about the spectacle.

c. he was representing someone who didn't accuse trump of assault or rape, and was mostly being used to stop those issues from being covered.


I could go on.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>So since I'm not as tuned into current US politics, I'm
>wondering how y'all see the coverage of this Biden story. Does
>it differ in any way from how Trump was covered?

Double-standards abound in U.S. politics. Biden has been treated with kid gloves throughout the primary, largely evading any substantive vetting or scrutiny -- not just for these sexual assault charges -- but for his suspect record on race, caving to Republicans, siding with the status-quo on war, criminal justice reform, and financial policy - and clearly suffering from significant cognitive decline.

But he's been seen as the "safe" choice for most Democrats for a year now - and thus has not been subjected to sufficient scrutiny. Of course, that all changes now. Trump and the GOP will throw everything at him.


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You get the award for most pressed zombie cult follower. *confetti drop from ceiling*

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like night and day different.
Even before COVID.
It's a really bad look all the way around for everybody involved to be honest.
The difference in coverage is a great argument for better regulation & more public funding of the media

unless you're on OKP, that is lol

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Biden won SC or after Super Tuesday? I’ve been scouring the internet trying to find that; I see that she said she didn’t come forward while he was VP to protect her daughter and because she liked Obama ( I guess that doesn’t extend to Michelle because she has been calling her out as of late),

I also see that she said she didn’t mention the sexual assault when she came forward with the other women last year about Biden’s inappropriate touching out of fear.

This is a very serious allegation and as she was/is a Bernie supporter and former warren supporter this information should have been brought forth in February to inform the dem primary electorate so we could make the best and most informed choice.

Did she just think Biden wasn’t going to win and sat on it until Bernie dropped out?

If anyone knows I’m genuinely curious. At this point Biden is not going to drop out and will be the nom. Even if he did drop out, the overwhelming majority of the Democratic electorate rejected the runner up, so if he becomes the nom by default dem voting will be even more depressed than in 16

I’ve been quite turned off by all of this, if I didn’t find trump deadly and didn’t want the conservative tilt of the SC to be even worse (please understand that the next/current president will at least get one SC pick) This would be the first presidential election since I was able to vote that I would have skipped the president section.

before coming out and accusing Kavanaugh of sexual assault?

Are we using the same logic with this accusation as we did with Kavanaugh's? If not, why?

Coming forward (so publicly) to explain how you were sexually assaulted is a huge decision for these women - as it literally changes their entire public persona and forever attaches their name to the alleged sexual assault - a memory most of them would likely not want to resuscitate after years of pain and recovery. It's likely that many women only do this when they feel a moral imperative to inform the public prior to somebody like Kavanaugh (or here, Biden) gaining such a powerful position of leverage over the public.

Kavanaugh sitting on the D.C. Circuit court is one thing; sitting as a Supreme Court Justice is an entirely different level of power.

This simply isn't one of those areas where we should play team-ball and adjust our narratives based on who the accused is.

If you were openly and actively questioning Dr. Ford's accusations in the same fashion during the Kavanaugh confirmation - then I can certainly understand this line of logic. But I don't recall that you were.

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She wanted them to know about what kind of person they were being put on the bench
Ryan Grim of 20-30 posts ago outed her publicly, he did it under the guise of not saying that the Republicans were putting a rapist on the bench, but that Diane Fienstein was hiding a secret.

https://twitter.com/magi_jay/status/1041390273979473921

She spent weeks deliberating on that decision to subject herself to the harshest of public stages - and ultimately - she knew she'd have to go public (and testify before the Senate) in order for the accusations to be viable. Nobody made her do that.

These decisions are always extraordinarily difficult - and my point is that it's likely that Dr. Ford decided to come out publicly as a last resort - feeling a moral imperative to warn the public about the Kavanaugh that she knows.

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I said she didn't publicly.
Now you're saying she would've had to. Not for a FBI background check no. There were people on Kavanaugh's support team that didn't
You're lying.

You're implying some tangential claim that Ryan Grimm forced Dr. Ford to come out and publicly testify. Have fun with that.

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And could very well be president. (Sorry I didn’t read any of your reply, certain of y’all I can only exert so much time to, and it’s not much).

to come out in public like this and subject themselves to such scrutiny and public rage.

And like literally all of us here, the thought of Biden actually winning the nomination after tanking in the first 3 primaries/caucuses was outlandish. Yet here we are.

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Where it was obvious, at the least, that Biden had a very real chance of winning this thing. But yet not too late for it to be a clean run away. Warren and Sanders were both still in the race after ST.

Why wait until after sanders dropped out to update your very serious account from unwanted touching to full blown assault. She feels this is something the American public should be aware of and consider, and I agree. Unfortunately at this point it’s either Biden or trump. Only one of those TWO will be president come January 2021

After Biden won SC and the entire party consolidated behind him - it was already likely too late for Reade's accusations to have any influence in the primary. But she may have ultimately simply felt that she had a duty to share her experiences at that point, hoping that Biden wouldn't have emerged as the nominee so that she wouldn't have had to come out publicly like this.

Of course - many alternative scenarios are possible as well. All I'm saying is that the accusations should be investigated and Biden shouldn't be given a pass simply because of his stature. I think many people consider Trump to be such a proximate danger that they'd still vote for Biden even if the accusations turned out to be true.


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30 year old rape allegations are a terrible idea when it comes to trying to change people’s votes.

Was leaked by the Intercept.

https://twitter.com/KasieDC/status/1041464682215817216


WATCH: Christine Blasey Ford first reached out to the @washingtonpost
in July with her accusations - before Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court. She spent her summer trying to decide what to do, and ultimately came forward out of "civic responsibility" (via @emmersbrown
)

One was credible and the other was not.

Ford did not have multiple Aliases and Multiple stories. We heard from both Kavanugh and Ford and Ford simply sounded more credible.

I said it then and I said it now the biggest problem with Kavanaugh wasn't the allegation. He could have easily said I was a dumb teenager and I did a bunch of dumb stuff which I am regretful and I grew to be a better person. Instead, he tried to tell us he was a choir boy and it was impossible that any of the allegations could be true and that was the lie which should have kept him off the supreme court.

Reade has changed her story multiple times. upwardly scaling up the story to get the impact that she is looking for. I think she definitely has a right to tell her story and people should scrutinize it and make a determination.

And that's what is happening. Twitter and the media are making big noise about this but this is not moving the needle at all for Biden's election prospects.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

because of perceived "credibility" of the person in question. It's far more relevant to look at the substance of the accusation than to make distant character assessments. This reminds me of the long-standing bias in our jurisprudence which often turns rape/sexual assault cases into ugly quests to tear down a woman's reputation and "credibility." For example, it used to actually be a viable defense that if a woman was promiscuous - that she in effect was in some way or another welcoming the unwanted sexual advances.

Whether we think Reade is a "credible" person or not is often a separate question from whether she was sexually assaulted. One can have a questionable history/pattern of behavior *and* still be a victim of sexual assault.

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basis to judge such a claim. What else are you to do when you have a 30 year old he said/she said with no eye witnesses? You have to look at the two people who are making conflicting statements.

But you will notice when I said she lacks credibility I didn't mention anything to do with what Reade's or Dr. Ford's career.

You can be a stripper or a sex worker and be more credible than the sitting President of the United States.

When the accuser has a history of lying publically, changed her story multiple times, and the accused has no other instances of claims like this being made after much public scrutiny, all that has to be taken into consideration. Its not dispositive, but it has to be taken into consideration.

Credibility doesn't have to be some subjective sniff test.
I wouldn't trust cops saying a victim lacks credibility or an accused is credibility off jump in a rape case. An investigation would have to point to objective standards of credibility which is possible. Has this person consistently told the same story. Does this person have other instances of lying in related situations. Does this person have other clear motivations for lying. etc.

I was always troubled with the Believe All Women mantra even when it was politically convenient and their are plenty of people who have egg on their face when they argued that against Trump and Kavanaugh, who are now arguing something different now for Biden. But their are plenty of grownups who have the ability to individually assess each accusation and come up with their own conclusions.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and you were flamed for it multiple times in the past by people who finally want to change the way they approach this subject.

politics really brings out the worst in people.

btw I guess I this point we need to let folks know that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy aren't real either...

..so what if he's a rapist!! he's ALL we got. Oh My God. LOL

Or Trump will be president after this election? If you do ur delusional.

....Pence will take over and then we get ready for the real plunge into fucking hell. ...Scumbag Trump still gets his "win" and all "great ratings" then just passes the mic (no pun)

As mentioned previously in this post - if you're going to vote for Biden simply because he's not Trump - I can dig it. Just say that and admit that regardless of these accusations (and other blemishes on Biden's record) - that you're still voting for him all day every day over Trump.

But to go from #ITrustWomen to #ITrustBiden is making a mockery of the MeToo movement and the hard fought battles to shine light on sexual assault.

Not sure what's so hard about saying, "I'm concerned bout the accusations and they should be investigated and taken seriously. But we are facing Donald Trump - and I'm comfortable with voting for Joe Biden over Donald Trump regardless of these accusations."

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over DT. I would vote for Don "Magic" Juan over DT. I would vote for George Bush(EITHER ONE) over DT.

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but not surprising.

It’s hilarious watching people lash out instead of looking in the mirror and addressing their hypocrisy.

“Her story changed? .... Why did it take so long?...Let’s hear all the facts before coming to a conclusion?”

A few months ago anyone who said that shit would get the business... but now?

but this politico curveball surprised even me. I had no idea that cats rode for Biden so hard that they'd dismiss legitimate sexual assault accusations in this manner. Straight out of the Trumpian playbook.

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and they won’t let anything get in the way. Definitely not 1 rape accusation from 30 years ago.

But it’s easier to curse someone out or attack them over politics then actually address the elephant in the room.

They can’t keep that same energy out of fear Biden takes a serious hit over this so they will play along until after the election.

Watch how quickly they find sympathy and empathy for accusers people once Trump is out.

Right now tho? Everything But the Girl ass niggas.

I knew back then these fools wouldn’t be able to keep this up if it was flipped on Dems. Which is why I never was a fan of trying to metoo Kavanaugh out of the SC. Once you do it, it will be done to you and either you remain consistent or you look like a fraud.

A lot of frauds on OKP this week.

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YUUUP.
It's been four years of TRUMP IS HITLER CHRISTIAN RUSSIAN SPY!!!!!
Folks have no other framework to analyze any part of this election with.

mom’s basement and face the real world.

Which is why it was always dangerous for Dems to go full court press with the MeToo when it involved a Republican.

It helped get Franken remover from Minnesota and now Biden is on TV during a pandemic denying rape.

can sometimes be imperfect people and may tell different versions of their story at different times.

lmk when you're ready to revisit previous accusations under these standards.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/30/biden-tara-reade-response-227319

This would be so easy to remedy

Instead, he’s doubling down on discrediting the allegation

AND

Daring any staffer to come forward and an inquiry into the national archives

SMH

Why?

Why go that route, instead of providing a platform to hear and address the allegations in an effort to move forward...and give the impression he gives a shit

Doubling down will just give the allegations and the story life.

Since you Biden Bros. keep needing a reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUOurZIVfI

^^^^fucking disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUHnFZDq0

^^^if some old crusty dude did that to your kids, would you smile and hope become your president? I fucking hope not.

....and it's a terrible look ...really makes me wonder a few things about you

It started as he wouldn’t address it
Then it was that he didn’t admit it
Then even when he denies it, they won’t believe him
Then it’ll be that he doesn’t drop out

...you think we just want him to admit it and K.I.M.? ..this shit isn't going away, it's going to get so much worse for Joe. We've been saying his creepy ways were a huge red flag since he announced. Blue MAGA turned a blind eye though.

Thu Mar-26-20 10:36 AM
My_SP1200_Broken_Again
79. "eventually we'll have to hold our noses yet again..."
....i'll support a democrat creep before i support a republican one ...my guess is Biden fucks this up and we end up with Cuomo somehow as the nom.


Fri Mar-27-20 02:53 PM
reaction
135. "Biden denies allegations"
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation


Fri Mar-27-20 04:01 PM
140. "#TimesUpBiden #IBelieveTara #UnendorseBiden"
Biden Bros, come get ya boy. It's over.


Fri May-01-20 11:01 AM
412. "it's been drop the fuck out from day one.."
...you think we just want him to admit it and K.I.M.? ..this shit isn't going away, it's going to get so much worse for Joe. We've been saying his creepy ways were a huge red flag since he announced. Blue MAGA turned a blind eye though.


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Thu Mar-26-20 10:36 AM
My_SP1200_Broken_Again
79. "eventually we'll have to hold our noses yet again..."
....i'll support a democrat creep before i support a republican one ...my guess is Biden fucks this up and we end up with Cuomo somehow as the nom.

....i will now retire from the internet because you totally got me, fam

shoulders?

some are conflating 2 different allegations...and somehow spinning that to proof of his innocence

She alleged inappropriate physical contact in the form of stroking her hair and rubbing her shoulders

She alleged he made comments about her physical appearance

She alleged she was fired for complaining about these issues

^^^ this IS sexual harassment...and why I believe it is a mistake to double down on flat out denial and discrediting the alleged victim

There's enough evidence in the public space to show this as a pattern of behavior by Buddens

Also, LUCY FLORES, HELLO!!!

The sexual assault is another, SEPARATE, allegation

Why is everything getting lumped behind the assault allegation...and no one seems interested in the harassment claims

She was fired...has there been any offering of an explanation on whey she was fired if none of this happened?

So Buddens goes on a morning talk show and throws down the gauntlet

It will be interesting to see if Trumpster puts his weight on the scale and dedicates resources to investigating the claims

I would assume the POTUS could order sealed files opened.

This is a PR issue at this point

Doubling down on flat out denial is the wrong approach.

and he already said Biden could be falsely accused because he was falsely accused.

....one has to wonder why ...oh wait, THEY DON'T smh

her and joe defended kavanaugh, mark halperin (even tried to help restore his image and get him back into the public square)...and they never pressed trump on his accusations.

when he already said something like that wouldn’t be in there.

and their lack of ability/desire to provide proper context to these issues.

nobody on your staff could do some research beforehand about what records would actually be kept in his local/personal archive vs his national/senate archive?

all this does is give fodder to people who will spin it as him hiding evidence of the allegation in delaware when shit like that probably isnt maintained there.

and most (if any) arent even digitized/searchable.

of the complaint would be stored.

https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1256037839248203777
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Important to the discussion about these papers: Source familiar w/ curation process tells CNN there are no personnel papers at U of Delaware.

"The University of Delaware files are his personal papers and personnel records are in the National Archives."
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this is something nbc/msnbc could have looked up before mika tried to hammer him on it.

i see republicans saying biden withered under tough questions. none of them are calling it a softball interview. so they cant backtrack and use that excuse later.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

they cant backtrack without being complete hypocrites (nothing new there tho i guess).

>so they cant backtrack and use that excuse later.

Right. Because of intellectual consistency.

revolving around the concealment of the delaware records?

Does he have a history of inappropriately touching women and children that makes any rape accusation plausible? Yes. Does it matter? No. Rape and sexual assault seems to be a rite of passage for presidential candidates in 2020. Not really a big deal anymore and apparently if one candidate does it, it's fair game for the other. The hypocrisy was pretty pathetic though.

Still don't think Biden can win against Trump but I hope he does. He's who the voters and democratic party chose for electability and the other candidates did make plenty of missteps. Biden needs to start running a campaign though. Staying in the cut and expecting Trump to lose voters or self implode is not a viable strategy.

it’s also a sensitive subject to talk about. I just don’t subscribe to the idea that it can’t be scrutinize. freedom of choice and the same holds true for you.

It’s wild seeing people downplay it when we know how politicians can be when it comes to interns and using their power in shitty ways.

you’re all over, lol

like does he contribute anything? Ever? lol

>you’re all over, lol

https://twitter.com/marykbruce/status/1256197317235027968
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Tara Reade tells us that at the time, in 1993, she complained to the Senate personnel office that Biden had "made her feel uncomfortable," but she says she did not mention an assault and she has no record of the complaint. Biden calling for any records to be released.
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now she says she didnt report the sexual assault. just that she complained that biden made her feel uncomfortable.

so if reade is now saying she didnt even report the assault...theres no need to go digging through the biden files in delaware right?

Herself any favors.

I really wish warren had got the nod tho. But then the BBs and the repugs will be employing other lines of attacks, so what are you gonna do

*immediately* after biden said to dig up the complaint from the senate archive and make it public (if it exists).

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if we find out there was some coordination behind the scenes and this all blows up on bernieworld.

the same cast of characters involved in this have been caught falsifying stories before...like a voicemail (that turned out to be fake) from an establishment dem they wanted to oust in a ca primary.

>I really wish warren had got the nod tho. But then the BBs and
>the repugs will be employing other lines of attacks, so what
>are you gonna do

yeah if it aint one thing its a muthafuckin nother (c)

>honestly i wouldnt be surprised if we find out there was some
>coordination behind the scenes and this all blows up on
>bernieworld.

#BerniesFault !

The primary is over bro - Bernie lost. Let it go.

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Hopefully I don’t see you spouting any more shit about “several other alternatives” to Biden being the nom. While you’re at it help bentagain and MP 1111 see the light too.

to MLK mind-control Tara Reade into spouting these allegations - just to help Bernie.

You might be onto something fam. You should start a conspiracy theory blog to host all of your zany ideas.

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>Hopefully I don’t see you spouting any more shit about
>“several other alternatives” to Biden being the nom.

lol at putting "several other alternatives" in quotations as if I actually said that. Go ahead and cite/show your work, beloved.



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“Several”, “many” close enough. Ur losing it. Can’t say I’m not entertained looking at the train wreck that is Bernie stans these days tho. Carry on.

dude aint always used to be like this. you could have a fact based rational conversation with him at one point.

We were discussing the timing of Reade's accusations.

Actual quote:

"But she (Reade) may have ultimately simply felt that she had a duty to share her experiences at that point, hoping that Biden wouldn't have emerged as the nominee so that she wouldn't have had to come out publicly like this. Of course - many alternative scenarios are possible as well."

As in - there are alternative scenarios to explain why Reade decided to come out with these accusations when she did.

But somehow in your mind this translated to "there are multiple alternatives to giving Biden the nom from these rabid Bernie bros!" ?

TF is wrong w/ y'all?



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anything is possible, except an old white man who opposed desegregation might've done other terrible things. thats a leftist conspiracy.

not sure what happened to the brother but hope he's getting some clout for the party loyalism.

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im talking about the pro-bernie mediasphere like theintercept, young turks, currentaffairs, etc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

The Bernie Bruh Quintet and the Barbershop Niggas already closed the case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVNwnjZdQFo

fam they gotta win *something* this season.

and hand the nomination over to bernie.

just fuck democracy and the millions of people who voted for biden and (still) want him to be the nominee.

the same people complaining about ny canceling their primary (after bernie already conceded defeat and endorsed biden as the nominee).

its getting harder to find a single subject that they havent been completely hypocritical on when it serves their interests.

Woman Claims Biden Sexually Harassed Her When She Was 14 Years Old by Complimenting Her Breasts

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/woman-claims-biden-sexually-harassed-her-when-she-was-14-years-old-by-complimenting-her-breasts/

Somehow your shtick has gotten completely worn out in just 175 posts. That must be an OKP record.

you sure do seem to always be on the cutting edge of breaking news about biden.

Lawandcrime.com founded by Dan Abrams the Chief Legal Affairs Anchor for ABC News.

Sorry, I know if it's not the NYT, The Washington Post, CNN or MSNBC we're not supposed to believe it.

..this "same teams" stuff is hilarious as they line themselves up with blue republicans every time

lol @ blue republicans.

imagine being part of a zealot movement that got wholesale rejected by voters by large margins and thinking everybody else is fake.

even bernie dont claim yall anymore lol.

https://twitter.com/SashaPezenik/status/1256960950034366466?s=20

https://am21.mediaite.com/lc/cnt/uploads/2020/05/Eva-Murry.jpg

i found this detail interesting tho:
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Murry said that she was personally motivated to speak out because she began seeing Biden’s name and face appearing all over Facebook in early April after Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic primary.
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interesting timing.

trying to hype up rando bands and artists w/burner accounts that had like 7 posts.

The 2020 version sucks.

I'm happy to rip on Biden all day, but there's principles to this shit.

to try to damage biden as quickly as possible so bernie can be gifted a participation trophy nomination. they dont even care if the shit checks out or not.

around little girls in public or anything, lol
He's a really bad look for the democrats

He wasn't even in attendance at the event where Christine O'Donnell's (yes, Tea Party Christine O'Donnell) niece says this happened.

minutes later. she was forced to delete the entire thread but here it is
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXEd7sOWkAEhlTp?format=jpg&name=large

biden appeared by video so the whole thing is obviously untrue. something anyone could have looked up (even this false accuser) before they ran and printed/amplified this story.

add this to tara reades story falling apart this weekend and there is clearly an effort to smear biden on several fronts (with both maga and the bernard brethren teaming up to promote it).

when...the shit they throw at biden is this raggedy...it prolly backfires and makes folks even more confident in biden. i see people (even republicans) saying they are donating to him just because of this bullshit.

1. Pezniak is getting rightfully raked over the coals because her thread was set up so that she led with the accusation and buried its debunking in the thread. Then she had the gall to issue a non-apology, which she also deleted. What she did was absolutely irresponsible. I'm not upset about calls for her to be fired. Hey, there is always The Intercept.

Here is the thread (It's on this new app called Twitter)
Tweets 1 & 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXE6jabWsAEnkF4?format=jpg&name=large
Tweets 3 & 4: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXE6jbCXgAAFBPb?format=jpg&name=large
Tweets 5-8: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXE6jb0WoAAOBC-?format=jpg&name=medium

At the very least she should have some rough calls w/ the management at ABC.

2. I could see a 14-year-old getting the dates wrong. I'm not a monster. But O'Donnell fucked this one into a cocked hat by opening her big moron mouth. Oops. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXEknBbX0AAGOhP?format=jpg&name=medium

3. Funny how Tulsi Gabbard's former deputy policy director (LOL. Fam, I can't) was involved in pushing this one. She was apparently classmates w/ Murray.

4. Hey, at least there is still the anonymous blog post on that random religious blog. Worth a shot.

5. Imagine the moral vacuity it takes to try and capitalize on the push to get people to believe victims of sexual assault so that you can put forward lies about sexual misconduct/assault.

into the mainstream party (as we saw where the record turnout was in the primaries).

biden/dems need to be more aggressive/present in the media tho. the days of just doing the text press releases and leaving it up to a largely unprincipled/financially self-interested media to lay out the facts is over. they need a comprehensive strategy to confront whats going to be (and already is) massive/continuous disinformation...willful and unintentional.

and im not sure biden/dems are up to the task. instead of doing these little webstreams that nobody watches...they need to be going to where the viewers already are...tv shows, podcasts, facebook/ig live, etc.

basically engage in the same media blitz activity that dr fauci engaged in...where he was hitting up everywhere from steph currys ig live to the network sunday news shows to barstool sports.

its also clear that the media hasnt learned a thing since 2016. 2 well respected editorial boards were really calling for biden to open up his entire personal archive just to provide fodder for their campaign coverage.

>basically engage in the same media blitz activity that dr
>fauci engaged in...where he was hitting up everywhere from
>steph currys ig live to the network sunday news shows to
>barstool sports.

I mean, I don't think Biden could pull that off and that's precisely why it hasn't been done.

for the GOP gameplan here?

The strategy is obviously to throw everything at the wall to discourage Sanders supporters and see what sticks.

A couple bro bros in here are so thirsty for Biden to fall, they'll push anything.

A N Y T H I N G

Dudes are this >< close to posting a Breitbart article.

I don't think some of these dudes will stop in the general. Dudes like Reaction and Vex (sadly, yeah you were just wrong about dude) seem eager for Biden to lose so they can say "told you so"


How many Reactions and Vexs are in the world? Hopefully not enough to make an impact.


I really, really hope Biden picks the right VP, man. Don't give Sanders supporters ANOTHER reason to bitch and stay home.

Then again, I'm not sure if anything short of Bernard in a dress will satisfy them.


The GOP fell the fuck in line behind Trump and (obviously) aren't going anywhere.

Everyone on the left needs to just play ball. I'm not happy about Biden either, but its clearly what the majority of the party wants. Clearly has an appeal I don't get and I underestimated...I'll take my L on that but it is shocking to me how many can't do the same.

This wasn't an establishment conspiracy. This was votes.

It wasn't a bullshit primary...we had more choices than we even wanted.

The game was played, no one broke the rules, and Biden won without breaking a sweat. It isn't an abstract argument anymore. The left needs to run better campaigns next time *shrug*

Yes, that appears to be the case. Eva is still saying it's true and the reporter said on Twitter to a question of whether it could have been a different event "We’re looking into various issues. That’s one potentiality. But if those documents were actually conclusive evidence of anything we would have certainly retracted. But we’re standing by our original reporting."

https://twitter.com/colinkalmbacher/status/1257300584685854720?s=20

But for now I will agree that story seems debunked. Since I know you guys love my links here is another one https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/28/biden-the-lout/ that references a 2008 article that states "On more than one occasion CounterPunch’s editors have listened to vivid accounts by the recipient of just such advances, this staffer of another senator being accosted by Biden in the well of the senate in the weeks immediately following his first wife’s fatal car accident." They are working on a follow up story right now https://twitter.com/VickiBalfour/status/1257112371581071362?s=20

This is just to say that these type of allegations will continue to come out because that is Biden's history. Personally I think the videos of him groping young girls should be disqualifying. I don't know why it takes anything else. Maybe ask yourselves how it can be justified that these videos with the young girls have never once to my recollection been mentioned in the media. Plus how can anyone explain Jeff Sessions swatting Biden's hand away from his grandchild if he didn't know his history?

Tara Reade's accusation isn't going away and the AP article that everyone spun as making her look bad actually had 2 more corroborating witnesses and was consistent with Tara's story all along that the complaint wasn't about the assault and didn't use the actual words "sexual harrassment" but what she described within it would be described now as sexual harrassment.

Anyways no one will probably read this but just for the record if this is archived I'd also like to say what really happened in the primary which was far from the revisionist history of a traditional blowout. Bernie won the first 3 contests which is unprecedented for someone who doesn't become the nominee. Even Nate Silver's model at one point had him winning every state except Alabama. He was ahead nationally in all polls and growing. However, instead of celebrating those wins which would have been done for any other candidate you had the entire media now acting like winning was a bad thing. Chris Matthews implying Bernie would shoot him in Central Park, Chuck Todd calling Bernie supporters Brownshirts, CNN saying can Coronavirus and Bernie both be stopped. Bernie did as good or better than Biden in polls against Trump at the time but the media painted Biden as the safe, electable candidate and fear mongered the average voter with article after article about how we need to stop Sanders. Every candidate but Bernie said that they wouldn't accept the nominee if they were voted for by the plurality at the convention. Then from Vanity Fair, "During the time between polls closing in South Carolina on Saturday and the first poll closures on Super Tuesday, Biden had received nearly $72 million in earned national media coverage, according to data published by the media-tracking service Critical Mention. That Goliath figure did not factor in coverage from local news networks; so his campaign’s earned, or free, media could have reached at least $100 million." https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/joe-biden-media-story-helped-win-him-super-tuesday

That's just normal though right? As the national media harped on Bernie for saying the exact few nice things about Cuba that Obama also did Obama himself worked behind the scenes to do yet another unprecedented thing. This time he used his influence to get all the major candidates and figures to drop out and coalesce behind Biden in 24 hours https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/looking-obama-s-hidden-hand-candidate-coalescing-around-biden-n1147471 Plus Warren stayed in to split the progressive vote. So this was all just the will of the people and there was no media or outside influence at all right?

The stop Sanders movement was successful but now the Democrats are left with an immoral man who has a history of not only abhorrent policy but of documented lecherous behaviour. This just creates a race to the bottom with Trump. I think the moral thing to do is what former Clinton advisor Peter Dauo suggests of starting back up the primary for the many remaining States with all suspended campaigns. As he says there needs to be a moral redline somewhere or there is no argument left against the Republicans. The convention is still 3 months away, there is still lots of time to not have an alleged rapist and a verified child groper as the representative of a supposed return to civility and decency.

from a site that wasnt even taken seriously a decade ago?

back to the drawing board.

and thats already been debunked too lol.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1257018802006446081

shambles.

Basically a journalist said that she said Biden complimented her 14 year old niece on her breasts at a dinner in 2008 in Delaware that after people researched people found out Biden wasn’t even there:

https://twitter.com/msignorile/status/1256817963577028609?s=21

Talk about your interests and it's GONE.

Niggas were throwing out any bullshit they could find and then talking cash shit about anyone that said, "Consider the source"

Today....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htobTBlCvUU

Nah, fuck archiving this shit right now. Let this shit breathe for a minute.

>Niggas were throwing out any bullshit they could find and
>then talking cash shit about anyone that said, "Consider the
>source"
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>Today....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htobTBlCvUU
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>Nah, fuck archiving this shit right now. Let this shit breathe
>for a minute.

That’s precisely why this thread needs to die so we can move the fuck on to the bigger picture which is DT.

Bernie LOST.

...of yeah, from trump supporters

2 parts but they do a pretty good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-_MJ_sZSDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEZ66foC5OQ

its hard not to go from skeptical to downright suspicious.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/05/the-attacks-on-tara-reade-are-unbelievable-bullshit

This sort of biased behavior stands to offend more people than it persuades.

the journalistic credibility of megyn kelly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/opinion/tara-reade-joe-biden-vote.html

Also the past few years of calling anybody who questioned the efficacy/equality of that "movement" a "rape apologist?"

Yeah, that's pretty much been proven to be a crock of goofy bullshit.

>Also the past few years of calling anybody who questioned the
>efficacy/equality of that "movement" a "rape apologist?"
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>Yeah, that's pretty much been proven to be a crock of goofy
>bullshit.

You would think that this would be one of those sacred/important topics that transcended partisan dogma. As it turns out, selective outrage abounds, often wholly contingent upon one's political association.


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Weirdly touched her shoulders? Yup definitely believe that.

But this for me is the final nail in the coffin in terms of if she’s credible:

https://apnews.com/10d2842623b2c299e2c673bf5a9e23ff?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

citing security concerns...only to go do one with megyn kelly.

now theyre shopping the interview around with an ex nbc news staffer who himself was fired for sexual misconduct.

before agreeing to an interview with fox news (then canceling when she found out it was with real journalist chris wallace)...she lied and said cnn and msnbc had no interest in interviewing her. they both tried to get her on.

"Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign."

Really seems like Tara Reade is more on trial than Joe Biden.

And if "any links to Trump, ever" is the bar for credibility, the whole democratic party apparatus got some big problems

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-accusation?__c=1


I really don't care about the Russian Angle. I can understand why she kept it a secret for so long. I can also even almost see a story evolving over time.

I think the biggest problem with her story is that she and the people she talked about it initially were adamant that there was no sexual misconduct. That's the reversal that makes no sense and makes her story unreliable.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I think the biggest problem with her story is that she and the
>people she talked about it initially were adamant that there
>was no sexual misconduct. That's the reversal that makes no
>sense and makes her story unreliable.

However - the language of saying "there was no sexual misconduct" is inaccurate (and even the NYT deleted their language on that) - because sexual harassment *is* sexual misconduct, regardless of whether sexual assault occurred as well.

I think Reade's sudden pivot from sexual harassment accusations to sexual assault accusations warrants scrutiny - but it's unfair to dismiss her claims simply because of the timing of them.

Biden has been accused of sexual harassment by about 8 women now (and growing) - but Reade only recently accused Biden of sexual assault.

That said - I'm troubled by the credible accusations of sexual harassment which are enough to raise concerns about Biden's fitness to lead. So whether the Reade sexual assault claim has teeth or not doesn't excuse Biden from his history of sexual harassment.

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That is a pretty stunning and questionable reversal

for EIGHT YEARS and we didn't hear a peep out of her?

You mean McCain and Romney's people couldn't dig this up if it was really out there?

Their accusers/victims waited years/decades in many instances as well. There are many reasons why one would wait (or not want to be in the public eye to relive those memories).

Also - as we recently discovered - these accusations were actually filed in court documents in 1996:

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/politics-government/article242527331.html

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SWIPE:

"The declaration — exclusively obtained by The Tribune in San Luis Obispo, California — does not say Biden committed the harassment nor does it mention Reade’s more recent allegations of sexual assault."

I think all we really have is that several years later some evidence is present that she told people about a(n) issue(s) at work which she characterized as sexual harassment.

Not what the issue was, when it happened, not that she filed a complaint, and not who did what. And certainly nothing about SEXUAL ASSAULT or RAPE. Not then. Not in 1994-2007. Not in 2008. Not in 2019. Only in 2020 and only AFTER he became the presumptive (nee THE) nominee for president.

I know you're accusing people of accusing HER of not being a PERFECT VICTIM - but the timing of the accusation IS AN ISSUE right now.

She's been talking with reporters for the last year (2019 and 2020) - and the ASSAULT AND RAPE accusations were only mentioned AFTER Biden won the nomination.

Why didn't you hear the earlier charges earlier? The reporters were conducting investigative journalism - not just putting a mic in front of her and let her make accusations with no proof. (PODCAST)

And what's been surfacing since then - her brother recalling something abut something - a friend who remembers a few years after the incident something - her mom calling into Larry King and talking about the press and respect - none of this provides any proof of someone sexually assaulting her. And then not making that claim believable.

But many people don't need proof. Some believe all accusations from women as a reaction to how society largely disbelieves ALL accusations - and some simply don't like Joe Biden.

All this is going to do (and to some, including me, seems designed to do) is to cause confusion to hurt the Democratic Presidential Nominee.



(Cosby had no timing issue. Weinstein either.

Kavanaugh - well you could say that 2006 is when "the perfect time" would have been to be accused - but being appointed as a circuit court judge is different from being placed on the supreme court for life could change the matrix. But aren't you demanding that she be the PERFECT VICTIM too?)

that doesn't excuse Biden of alleged sexual harassment/misconduct from about 7/8 other accusers. There is a pattern of alleged sexual harassment from Joe Biden throughout the years. Reade's accusation of sexual assault is definitely the most troubling, but they all should be troubling in terms of illustrating how a man of Biden's stature/power has used that to make women feel uncomfortable and harassed.

But of course - Donald Trump (a man who has been accused of countless forms of sexual harassment/misconduct) is likely going to face Joe Biden in the general election. I think the more productive way for Biden voters to go on this is to not mock Tara Reade, try to attack her character, or deem her not credible. It should be to listen to her, take her accusations very seriously, and condemn *all* forms of sexual misconduct and say that the allegations should be investigated and brought to justice if there is viability to those allegations. And *then* to say - I'll still vote for Biden because of the grave danger of a 2nd Trump term.

Otherwise Dems will appear no different than Senate Republicans caping for Kavanaugh.


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Of SEXUAL ASSAULT once Biden thru his hat in the ring. Timing is a huge issue! The shifting details are a huge issue.

This isn’t anything to play with

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-senate-aide-tara-reade-calls-on-joe-biden-to-withdraw-from-presidential-race/2020/05/07/38b4846c-908c-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html

This can only be politically motivated at this point.

She's had 27 years to bring this up, she does it only after he's the nominee.

If he did rape her she certainly waited for the time to cause the maximum damage to him (and the country) to bring it up.

I could see that - trying to hurt someone who hurt her - the "axe to grind."

But I believe now that's she's literally just trying to hurt the Democratic party.

The timing says it all - and I will not take her word or believe her unless she provides proof that is BEYOND a reasonable doubt.

How many times we gonna do this ?

>How many times we gonna do this ?

lol I almost typed the exact same thing.

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... archaic way to try and discredit a sexual assault/rape allegation. There are a trillion reasons why a victim may withhold their assault story, and Weinstein, Epstein, Cosby, Kavanaugh, etc. etc. etc. etc. illustrate why this question should never be the basis of anyone's attempts to discredit an accuser.

Especially in this case, where there are other, more legitimate reasons to doubt her credibility.

everything the could on him and Obama and made up shit when they couldn’t find anything.

She is clearly on 45’s payroll and the fact that some people are falling for it is saddening .

how is she "clearly on 45's payroll"?

why?

You just replace him and keep it moving if you are Obama.

Biden had been sniffing hair and touchy feely for years and no one really mentioned it when he was VP. All the focus was on Obama and the clown show from Alaska.

For victims of sexual assault. U see the same ppl going so hard on this smh. Sad

i understand you feel helpless cause your only options for the election are a rapist and an ***Alleged*** rapist (happy?) but watching you and the gang vehemently try to discredit Biden's accusations is embarrassing.

Trump needs to go ASAP. Sorry you idiot ass can’t understand

You gonna address my actual points or not.

You may want to claim it a coincidence but all of y’all going hard and still crying becuz Bernie lost Lmaoo bitches

Y'all got Sanders on your mind more than I do, trust.
Biden is a very flawed Candidate, BEFORE the Reade story.
The Reade story *is* a problem for Biden's campaign.
Plugging your ears and saying RussiaBernieTrumpBad is just fucking stupid.

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he not flamboyant enough!

struck a deal with bidens office (which her ex mentioned) not to be fired/terminated.

thread:
https://twitter.com/ZacAKAMadu/status/1258781555981537281


https://twitter.com/kyle_teamjoe/status/1258871897623846917
https://twitter.com/visionsurreal/status/1258613436105265153


most likely she lied to her mom and her 'corroborating witnesses'.

I don't trust twitter.

she claimed she did in the megyn kelly interview. thats something she didnt even claim in the various interviews shes done before.

harris reps dispute that claim.
https://twitter.com/tperry518/status/1258859012075945985

those exchanges from the transcript of the megyn kelly interview actually look bad for tara reade.

its interesting the ways her stories 'evolve'. at first...she was just changing them as time went on (before all of this broke). but now...her stories are changing to deliberately fill in holes that have previously been pointed out.

people questioned why she first came forward about sexual *assault* after biden was presumed to be the sure nominee. she now counters with claims that she was actually reaching out to other campaigns while there were 20 candidates still in the race (note: kamala dropped out in dec).

That this unhinged conspiracy mongering has been shared so many times is deeply revealing. There are smart, honest people grappling with this case on both sides and in the middle. Then there are people like this: a thread https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1258890872080535557?s=20

It's really a waste of time at this point arguing because there are just some people who will never believe it and there will never be video of it. I too can't say 100% whether this happened. However, as I say the videos of him groping young girls and the video of Jeff Sessions should be enough to be disqualifying (and if he does that in public imagine what might happen in private). Tara Reade's every word is dissected and parsed but Joe Biden has a documented history of lying for 40 years but his credibility is never questioned. He dropped out of the 88 race because of plagiarism, made like 8 blatant lies in just the last debate with Bernie, has a history of being confrontational, not respecting personal space, saying inappropriate things etc.

If people are genuinely interested in this watch the whole Megyn Kelly interview, I thought it was fair and tough and make your own judgements but know that defending Biden just continues the race to the bottom and cedes the moral high ground to Trump and future Trumps.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1258836258308096000
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I've rarely seen a more egregious case of the phenomenon known as "confirmation bias" than in how online progressives recklessly hyped the Tara Reade allegations without even doing a shred of basic vetting. Great job killing your credibility, guys!
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cant believe how much the bernard brethren have demolished the credibility and momentum of a once promising progressive movement.

it reminds me of when the occupy wall street movement fell in the hands of these people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaBFhRsi4Gw

first the trump team leaked out that trump privately thought the accusation was 'bullshit'. intentionally distancing him.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1256665019976220672
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EXCLUSIVE: Trump privately doubts Biden assault accusation, says it could be "bullshit"

https://t.co/jTpubPC5wZ
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then trump kinda telegraphs things

https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1258737975061553152
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Trump on Tara Reade: “I don't know if it's false or not. Joe's gonna have to be able to prove whatever he has to prove or she has to prove it but that's a battle he has to fight. I've had many false accusations made...Maybe it is a false accusation...I hope it is for his sake."
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he and his aides (and the fox news universe) know the accusation is false. trump wouldnt 'hope' if he knew hed be wrong in the future.

but right wing media will keep up the charade to damage biden. the fact that trump isnt out front leading the effort says a lot tho.

He would be foolish to say he believe it.

That's the kind of persuasive analysis we're bringing into 2020 lol.

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This is about the 10th time you've mentioned his name.

It's cool if you're a fan of his work, but not my style.

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why would trump push anything that he himself is guilty of?

are yall new to this?

fam he trotted bill clintons sexual assault/harassment accusers out for a press conference before a debate.

It's genius really, do so much heinous shit that people can't remember half of it

we 4 years deep at this point. people acting like they just turned on the tv today.

it’s not a good look.

Best thing to do is just admit you will vote for Biden regardless because Trump is a POS.

I’m a Steele fan tho... I have no problem admitting I root for the team more than the individual players.

LOL@why did she wait so long to come forward

...and they’re in here talking about bad checks from the 90s...

SMH

you stay contributing the most to these posts while also saying the absolute least


like whats the point of you lol

>like whats the point of you lol

which is why it’s a terrible look for Dems to question her like this.

when they could just be quiet and support their blue rapist like everyone else. Its disappointing.

I was less disappointed when black journalists were accepting checks from Bloomberg to promote his campaign on their social media.

And honestly?

Tara kinda sounds like she’s telling the truth, I’m shocked to be saying that:

https://youtu.be/5HeZiKvOA0o

‘i want to fuck you’? she just added that.

and she added that detail about having on crotchless panties after someone pointed out that her original assault accusation was shaky because capitol hill dress code at that time required pantyhose for women.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/09/03/dcs-nylon-clad-rule/fbb38ef0-6660-4639-80d7-1da3a867c5a8/

so she couldnt even just say she had no pantyhose on at all. had to be crotchless with pantyhose still showing on the legs.

shes been changing her story to fill in details to cover holes that people poke in her previous version (like which senate building/office she filed a complaint with and what type of complaint she filed after someone scrutinized the official process she would have been subjected to).

Megyn Kelly got FIRED for saying some shit that they spent an entire episode of Give Me A Break telling you was wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLtR9u9uNv4

Now she relaunches on Youtube and just gives her a platform with a mic and lets her add whatever details and new shit she wants - all without any way to be able to comment on it's veracity?

This is troll shit and you just paid the troll toll.

You are credulous mother fucker.

These people trippin’

and quick to call people out their names too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXw_sffWkAID3DH?format=jpg&name=large

fired because of the check cashing but Biden's office allowed her to resign? Is that the story? If so is that verified?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Gotta be team trump’s reaction to how Tara Reade is polling

They saw the numbers. And pivoted to some other bulls hit.

and the fact that fox news and people like tucker carlson are openly questioning the credibility of the accuser...and reade had to go to megyn kelly for an interview more favorable than she would have gotten with chris wallace...tells you that fox news already *knows* the accusation is a clunker. they arent even willing to drag things out and capitalize on the ambiguity/unknowability to damage biden.

trump pretty much hinting that he thinks its most likely false was kinda transparent (in his own way).

i wouldnt be surprised if right wing partisans who were digging for oppo on biden regarding this accusation have already come across material that destroys the narrative and they know its only a matter of time before dems/media expose it.

Again, nothing in here DISPROVES a he said she said - but

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations

(I swiped liek the first 5 paragraphs, it's like 50 paragraphs long)


Over his decades-long career in the Senate, former Vice President Joe Biden was known as a demanding but fair and family-oriented boss, devoted to his home life in Delaware and committed to gender equality in his office.

He was not on a list of “creepy” male senators that female staffers told each other to avoid in the elevators on Capitol Hill.

Yet Biden, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, was also a toucher, seemingly oblivious to whether physical contact made some women uncomfortable. That behavior has persisted in recent years. Biden is now facing fresh scrutiny after a former aide in March charged that he sexually assaulted her when she worked in his Senate office in the early 1990s, an allegation Biden has categorically denied.

The PBS NewsHour spoke with 74 former Biden staffers, of whom 62 were women, in order to get a broader picture of his behavior toward women over the course of his career, how they see the new allegation, and whether there was evidence of a larger pattern.

None of the people interviewed said that they had experienced sexual harassment, assault or misconduct by Biden. All said they never heard any rumors or allegations of Biden engaging in sexual misconduct, until the recent assault allegation made by Tara Reade. Former staffers said they believed Reade should be heard, and acknowledged that their experiences do not disprove her accusation.

In all, the NewsHour tried to contact nearly 200 former staffers of Biden’s, based primarily on public records of his time in the Senate and White House and also from interviews with current campaign advisers. They include former interns and senior aides, from his 1972 Senate campaign through his time at the White House.

65 women who knew Brett Kavanaugh in high school defend his character https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860488/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-georgetown-prep-defense

Seriously they managed to describe Biden as if he's is an angel on earth in that article. I don't think ANYONE would be so glowingly reviewed by all former staff, especially one who does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxDAHJKuho&feature=youtu.be

In the last 6 months he has almost gotten into a fight with a construction worker, yelled at people to not vote for him, called a guy fat, called a woman a lying, dog faced, pony soldier, put his fingers in activists faces but nobody has a bad word to say about his last 30 years of behaviour before that I guess.

I was very surprised to not see this article up here yet https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771 The character assassination is now in full effect. I can understand to a lot of people who don't pay much attention that after the 1, 2 shot of these articles today some people would say OK I give up Biden is a saint and Tara is a liar. I liked one comment I saw that said "Yet Joe Biden can tell stories weaved from whole cloth (I was arrested visiting Mandela. , I don't want the medal!!!", I graduated in the top half of my law class, I played football at Delaware) and we act like he's "normal" or believable."

A poll yesterday had 53% of all voters believing Tara and 51% of independents and then Biden said last night that people shouldn't vote for him if they believe her. https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/497832-poll-one-third-of-democrats-believe-harassment-assault Because of polls like that the media has gone full bore the last few days trying to get people to dismiss this allegation. I'm not saying I believe it 100%, their spin is so powerful that it also works on me even when I'm aware of it. But then I remember it is verified she talked about the assault to others in the 90's, that being poor and having some landlords speak badly of you doesn't mean you weren't raped etc. I'm waiting with bated breath for the deep dive and investigative journalism into Biden's history of lies.

Yes Trump would most likely be worse policy wise, however even Trump doesn't have the history of being a major enabler of the Iraq war and mass incarceration like Biden does. He is not the official nominee yet, any Democrat would be better than Biden and wouldn't force people to compromise their values so much to get behind them.

Trump is ahead in battleground States in the latest CNN poll 52-45. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/cnn-poll-2020/index.html Obviously Biden could still win but don't say you weren't warned of his vulnerabilities well in advance and when there was still time to do something about if he doesn't.

"Yes Trump would most likely be worse policy wise, however even Trump doesn't have the history of being a major enabler of the Iraq war and mass incarceration like Biden does. "


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"was also a toucher, seemingly oblivious to whether physical contact made some women uncomfortable."

^^^ unless he did this to men too

It's sexual harassment

Unwanted touching based on gender is sexual harassment.

Really hope ya'll figure out another way to address this...because these flat out denials...of what we all see with our own eyes...of Creepy Joe...is not winning votes.

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if you a dude he probably gives you unwanted shoulder massages or shit where you're like "Damn nigga back up"

if you a woman he's the type of dude to think giving you a comforting pat on the thigh is appropriate when you going through some hard times.

no malice or anything intended on his part. its just some folks relate to people. shame that it gets muddied up w/ the dirtbags using them same moves.

Got popped for lying about her educational credentials under oath resulting in a bunch of cases likely having to be reopened
https://twitter.com/byajperez/status/1263612526706806784
https://www.montereycountyweekly.com/blogs/news_blog/convictions-could-be-challenged-as-defense-attorneys-question-tara-reade-s-credentials/article_89c8bfcc-9bb2-11ea-826b-7776b2cd779e.html

and now her lawyer has dropped her
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/tara-reade-credentials.html

from reade constantly bragging about (even embellishing) her relationship with biden to her duping mad people in her past (using the biden connection).
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1261422365751169025

to her friend admitting she lied about the biden sexual harrassment claims to help reade:
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1261406338917249026

to an attorney saying reade tried to use him to plant the biden accusation story:
https://twitter.com/thegarance/status/1261668621387956224

to the ever changing (and quickly debunked) story/details about the alleged assault.

its clear that the brogressives...because of the post 2016 bubble political environment and false dichotomies *they* created...hinged their hopes on an improperly vetted and sketchy accusation/witness as a hail mary to damage biden after a failed primary run from their preferred candidate.

some of those journalists who pushed this story have been deleting tweets related to it. even ryan grim is now forced to retweet/highlight reporting that contradicts his own reporting/claims just to still maintain the veneer of being a neutral/unbiased journalist.

not just the anti-biden/dem/dnc folks but the people who sincerely gave her a chance apart from the politics of it all.

where does everyone stand now?

im genuinely curious about the reaction to all of this (outside of my own).

I always thought it was BS as soon as the story came up.

Too convenient...

The assault claim should have been investigated from the beginning and months later it has been to a large degree (except the Senate papers). These newest revelations do not directly address the assault though. Tara could have lied about every other thing in her life for the last 27 years and the assault allegations could still be true. Obviously having a past with lies exposed lends some doubt to her allegations but it's not like Biden's past doesn't lend credence to the allegations either.

Tara being derided as a liar is similar to when victims of police violence are smeared as thieves and criminals for the smallest violations. They do this to cast doubt on the victim and boost the police side of the story. This has parallels but again just because Tara might have a history of lying that doesn't make the main allegation false just as Biden having a history of lying doesn't make his denials false.

At this point because of Biden's history and because of the corroboration around 1993 of her mother, brother, friend and neighbour I would still put it over 50% chance that it is true. If she was to recant and put this allegation to bed it would still not clear Biden's name around issues of this nature. The inappropriate touching of grown women has been addressed by the media but the groping of young girls on video never has. Will anyone ever ask Jeff Sessions why he swatted Biden's hand away from his grand daughter? Is that an unfair question to ask? Absolutely not and I hope that someone has the courage to ask it.

like how much more skeptical are you of her claims (if at all)?

if she says it happened and put her name on it I believe her.

if you had no names attached and asked me if I thought it was possible this politician you're describing did something like that I'd say it was incredibly likely?

all of the stuff that attacks her credibility: her initial claims and reports suggested that whatever happened wasn't as bad as what she now says really happens, she's been otherwise unreliable in whatever way

doesn't really mean she's lying about this, and I'd hope that people would notice it's pretty common for victims to hold back some of the worst things that happened to them.


....that doesn't mean that, unless something more turns up, that there's enough to act on it.


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If you have no reason NOT to believe her you don't have a reason TO be believe her.

This ain't tie goes to the runner. This is "You say something then prove it."

There are different levels of proof:
More than likely it happened.
AND
Beyond a reasonable doubt.

You don't get to either by just co-signing yourself.

Actually this is more like "Guilty UNTIL proven innocent" level of shit.

And this situation - this one right here - seems to have more than a few issues that make it less than believable.

But hey, if that's how you run your mind and your logic then its a free country. A stupid doomed country - but free.

point me towards the action I've undertaken that I would be able to avoid by being less credulous of a named person making a serious accusation when they know that doing it will result in an unprecedented amount of personal scrutiny.



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>point me towards the action I've undertaken that I would be
>able to avoid by being less credulous of a named person making
>a serious accusation when they know that doing it will result
>in an unprecedented amount of personal scrutiny.

Your default position is: credulity.

This claim seems like it is less than credible - now more than ever - - but since she'll be under "scrutiny" then you "give her the benefit of the doubt."

What would it take for you to not believe her? Would the only thing be that she wasn't born until a year after it happened?

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assault, I'm willing to believe them and think that it should be taken seriously.

I also don't think that most people are equipped to judge the veracity of accusations.

these rules are simple?


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just making a note.

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you claim my position has been gamed.

to what end?

what exactly about my behavior has been altered.



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my default position is that I don't think you or any of these other motherfuckers (self included) have nearly enough relevant knowledge to judge which accounts of sexual assault are credible or are not.

the only thing this requires me to do is sit and wait for more information to come in...same as I've been doing.

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have you assessed easily your stance is gamed?

you'd probably want that done by an unbiased third party and idk where you would find one.

have you applied your criteria for assessing credibility to cases with known outcomes to see how they match up? Do you get 100%? maybe 80? 50? less?

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My stance is: Evaluate what is being said and then base the current belief on that. And hey, I can change my mind too.

Yours is: If she doesn't have EVERYTHING to gain and NOTHING to lose then you believe her. And if something changes - then fuck it - still believe her.

I got.

But now you want to compare NUMBERS somehow??

I don't believe her - based on what's she said and the time she's said it in.

Could it be true? Sure - why not. I can't DISPROVE it.

You're not even at the "more likely than not level" your at a "well it's not impossible so I'll go with that."

Note:
Now, with crimes that have only 2 witnesses it does become something you have to judge based on whatever evidence you have.

Will the math ALWAYS be equal to the absolute truth? No.

Can we really know what happened? No.

But right now it doesn't seem likely that he finger fucked her in a public hall way - and the only thing that could make her came out is the passage of time - AND that Bernie dropped out.

But hey - I'm sure there are LOTs of crimes that if you told me about I'd say "No fucking way did that happen" but they actually did happen.

But this one - until there's a reason to believe her then there is no reason not to disbelieve her.

I even laid out my posts separately to make it easy for you.

you only have to answer one question per post.

but instead, you decided to make up shit.

either answer the questions, or don't make up shit.

do not choose C.

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"Yours is: If she doesn't have EVERYTHING to gain and NOTHING to lose then you believe her. And if something changes - then fuck it - still believe her."


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"I don't believe her - based on what's she said and the time she's said it in."

ok, and this is based on your experience on dealing with with sexual assault allegations that gives you a good feel for what people say and when they say it.


where did you get this experience? I don't think you have *any* relevant experience, much less enough to have an opinion worth spending time on. you feel differently.

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I don't EITHER of us are sexual assault experts, lawyers or judges. And even if we had that expertise it doesn't seem like that process always gets to the actual truth - it just gets as close as it can using a methodology. (one that is probably flawed.)


But, literally you are credulous. I think you think it's a badge of honor - so wear it like that.

I'm saying I think your position on this case right here is a CHUMP.

That's where we are.

you know why you can't address the words I actually said.

and you know why you can't mark anything I've actually done as an issue.


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>RE: LOL. so I'm a chump because I....did what again?

For your reading pleasure:

Here's my quote:
"I'm saying I think your position on this case right here is a CHUMP."

I didn't say you were a chump - I'm saying your position is a chump.

I think of you more as first a lovable, then penultimately pitiable, and finally as a cautionary: rube.

>you know why you can't address the words I actually said.

Here's what you said:
"if she says it happened and put her name on it I believe her."

That's in post 579. That's what I've been responding to.

>and you know why you can't mark anything I've actually done as
>an issue.

The good news is you haven't done shit except have an opinion and cyclonic/tsunamic-tourret storm reply to messages on a message board.

Now if I read of review of a gadget review that has a picture that says "I believe Tara, she said it I believe it" on an OLED screen
THEN you'd have done something.

Again I am responding to this:
"if she says it happened and put her name on it I believe her."

And I clearly say:
You are credulous.
You have a default position that s EASILY gamed.
AND
This accusation once looked is between problematic and not believable.


I'm not attacking you - I'm saying your position is naive, easily gamed, and ultimately the wrong one to have on this issue right here.

You disagree.

I GOT IT.

You've met my minimum requirements of proof.

I BELIEVE YOU.

and then you admit that there's nothing about what I'm doing that supports your claim of being "gamed"

it's simple!

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I had a criminology professor in college in the very first class who said he loved watching rape trials and all of us where like “WTF this nigga is crazy maybe we need to drop this class!”

Eventually he explained he was fascinated by them because it never really was about the crime itself but was about weird shit like if the woman remembered if she took off her stockings or not, or about her credit card bills and if she was trustworthy and stuff like that.

After he said that his original point made a little more sense but of course I still thought it was a little weird.

But I say all this to say it IS weird that so many of us are looking at everything but the actual allegation to try to determine if what she is saying is true or not.

I mean I get it, there are no videos of the alleged assault and it was such a long time ago and is coming up during a presidential election, so we really do have to look at other things to try to decide who is right in this he said-she said situation.

All that being said, it is sad to me that everyone is starting not to believe her because she didn’t pay her rent at a few places, didn’t consistently bring up that she was assaulted, and of course in that Politico article came across as a dick and manipulative.

But of course none of those things necessarily mean she wasn’t assaulted and while those are reasons EYE personally don’t think the allegations are true I guess I have a bad feeling about it being the general same case for the rest of the world.

Because just because she didn’t tell people when it happened, or is only telling it decades after the fact, or because she seems like an irresponsible person in general, doesn’t actually mean nothing happened and even if we don’t ever hear from her again because her credibility is shot now it makes me concerned for the next sexual assault victim who doesn’t want to come forward because her life isn’t tied up neatly with a bow or because she was too scared to tell someone about it when it happened or many years after the fact.

and is actually worse for her than anything else.

mainstream media outlets prolly arent gonna put forth much effort digging into the actual details of everything she claimed happened. but if you take everything else out and just examined the veracity/likelihood of the when/why/where/who in her allegation...she prolly has even less of a leg to stand on.

when people say tara reade has more evidence than blasey ford...just because reade has more people willing to corroborate that she told them some form of *her* version of the story...thats not entirely true.

blasey ford didnt have evidence of the specific encounter. but all of her ancillary facts checked out. places of employment for multiple people, relative point in time, nature of relationships, location of house and the owner, other events/behavior of relevant people, etc. to the point where people could credibly narrow things down to a specific day on kavanaughs own calendar. a date that repubs own prosecutor started focusing in on (and repubs promptly pulled her from the hearing when it happened). the strength of the credibility of blasey fords additional detailing also had the effect of highlighting many things that kavanaugh obviously lied about (not being the character in a friends book, not being in blasey fords social circle, drinking habits, group slang/nicknames, etc).

even with juanita broaddrick vs bill clinton...with the ancillary details she provided...they were able to nail things down to a specific location/date with a high degree of likelihood.

but with reade...major *pertinent* details dont check out and actually *undermine* the allegation itself.

heres a thread detailing specific facts about the time/location that make her alleged chain of events virtually impossible...including the fact that the area was a highly traveled public area in the middle of the day that was literally next to a capitol police station.
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1256690801712812043

this is a big reason why she keeps changing and/or adding important details to her story (like the crotchless panties because people commented that everyone wore panty hose back then and that would have made his alleged actions near impossible). and why her/her lawyer changed the alleged location *just a week ago* (and even the new location is easily debunked in that same thread).

basically the only thing thats actually consistent with fact and supports her claim is that she worked for biden. thats pretty much it. even the *nature* of her role in the biden office that she claimed...thats inconsistently changed over time.

i think the most telling part is that she cant even give a *general* sense of time when the alleged assault occurred. i can understand not being able to provide a specific date or timeframe. but she still hasnt provided a particular week, month, day of the week, memorable events around that time, or anything that would enable independent verification of her claim outside of it being spring and hot. but she allegedly remembers crotchless panties and details about bidens gym bag?

then you have all of inconsistencies/contradictions with the details/time/location/office of the complaint she allegedly filed.

really the lack of credibility around all of the other aspects of her life that were recently dug up are the *least* of her problems when everything is laid bare.

who is the journalist who laundered this allegation through another journalist/outlet and pretended to amplify it as a neutral observer...

is the same person who leaked out the blasey ford allegation against her will just to damage senator feinstein by accusing her of willfully suppressing the complaint.

this isnt really being discussed along with the story but its important imo.

theintercept m.o. now is basically just smearing 'establishment' democrats by journalistically questionable means.

this was the much discussed article at thenation slamming biden and supporting reade.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/tara-reade-biden-allegations/

she posted a twitter thread laying out why she is apologizing and changing her mind.
https://twitter.com/kate_manne/status/1264006448821960710

its notable because she originally caught a lot of flack for her article and stuck to her guns. so admitting her faults (in light of new developments) is pretty big of her. especially when you consider that she wasnt even someone involved in the original/ongoing reporting and hyping up of an unvetted/inconsistent allegation...and most of those folks have pretty much gone radio silent on the subject. no follow up reporting, no mea culpa, no defense of their journalistic integrity, no mention of whether they still believe it or not, etc. just a bunch of deleted tweets and a move on to the next round of attacks against biden.

but also that nothing that has come to light so far supports removing biden as the nominee.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the one that says the word "credible" is this one

"But it would be disingenuous for me not to publicly acknowledge that there are far more serious problems with Reade's word than is typically the case with victims--who of course do not have to be perfect, but do have to be credible."



the relevant one imo is "i do not feel sure"

"In light of recent evidence that raises serious doubts about Reade's credibility, I no longer feel sure of what/whom to believe. And though I'm sure nobody is awaiting my revised credence with baited breath, and it will anger many people, I wanted to be forthcoming about this"

I am and have not been sure, so, no change?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

they'll of course run with this against him, because too many Americans won't do any research, but it's become so easy to dispute everything she says.

I checked out around the time they discovered her mom called into the Larry King show right after Reade stopped working for him/ claimed she was assaulted. When I heard Politco thought she was a liar because...she wasn't a good renter, then I especially checked out.

Biden did NOT sexually harras her when reporters were talking to her.

This was Reade's corroborating witness saying about it:

"“On the scale of other things we heard, and I feel ashamed, but it wasn’t that bad. never tried to kiss her directly. He never went for one of those touches. It was one of those, ‘sorry you took it that way.’ I know that is very hard to explain,” the friend told me. She went on: “What was creepy was that it was always in front of people.”"

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-accusation?__c=1

Read the article if you have time. It was written by a reporter who was working with Reade on her initial claims against Biden a year ago.

Heck, Reade was working with a writer to do a book about her life story and her time in Washington and she never mentioned she was sexually assaulted by Biden.

No lawyer, including all the big metoo advocates, have been willing to touch her case. Even her latest lawyer has quit.

And she has just been caught too many times lying about other stuff. She just doesn't have any credibility.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

in her own book. And yeah, I just read that article you linked and see inconsistencies on both sides. You have people from Biden's staff from that time claim there were NEVER any allegations she made about any misconduct. That seems extremely unlikely given the fact that her mom called about damaging information about Joe Biden. Also, everyone knows Biden has been touchy feely for a while. I've known someone who even worked for him defend him touching their own shoulders because she saw him more like a father figure (he even did it while meeting her parents and praising her in front of her Dad) *fucking yuck*

That is to say, there were definitely people who knew something was up; especially if Reade was willing to tell others as it happened. Also, the nature of the misconduct would probably have to be more serious than he touched my shoulders if they really thought it would damage his career. As for the wanting to protect your sexual assaulter, but feeling like you need to speak up for others...it's extremely common among people who were assaulted, especially by people they viewed or respected like family.

The most credible claim I found against Reade, however, was that there weren't others who came forward against Biden in terms of crossing that line from creepy Uncle to sexual assaulter. Given how touchy feey he is, there should be more people to corroborate the fire to this smoke. I find all this other stuff about her "character" kinda disgusting and see why other people who may be victims would want no parts of that.

But in conclusion, after reading that, I still don't think you can claim its an undeniable yes or no. And if anyone is completely certain then they probably have some other agenda or form of cognitive dissoance they need to work through.

>I've known someone
>who even worked for him defend him touching their own
>shoulders because she saw him more like a father figure (he
>even did it while meeting her parents and praising her in
>front of her Dad) *fucking yuck*


You are disgusted because he touched a staffers shoulder in front of her parents (despite the staffer defending he didn't do anything wrong?)?

What?





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

you caught me...

real talk, i see why people like lardlad stopped posting here or why vex barely fucks with these posts.

where did the actual leftists that used to post here go? sad

Or (sorry for the expression but it's the standard expression) a "useful idiot."

This was a weird response in and of itself. Where did lardlad come into this? He's a great dude but in what sense was he representative of the politically-active OKPs?

As for the "actual leftists": maybe we understand that, for all its faults and inevitable half-measures, the Democratic Party is essential for any actual political progress to occur in this country. Bernie Sanders understands this. And this understanding makes us skeptical of false equivalence, especially when it's being sold by people who were NEVER active in the politics threads until the time came to sell that false equivalence.


>you caught me...
>
>real talk, i see why people like lardlad stopped posting here
>or why vex barely fucks with these posts.
>
>where did the actual leftists that used to post here go? sad

and fuck their wack ass platform.

and if you can't take people discussing the merits of believing sexual assault survivors when it threatens your preferred candidate then that's on you.


also, i bought up lardlad because he was one of the few people I remember who was a normal poster who also was openly leftist. now i see him post sometimes on leftist subreddits on reddit. so when i look at shit like some of these responses on here, then i can see why he left

You're not a leftist if you help elect Republicans.

is the same thing as helping elect the alternative. i guess that would make you the useful idiot.

you also don't know where I live or what district I vote under. Cus its already blue, regardless of my vote. moreover, i could still vote for Biden while shitting all over the democratic party. it can be both things.

>is the same thing as helping elect the alternative.

It's a two-party system. So yes, spreading dissension among Democrats helps elect the Republican.

>i guess
>that would make you the useful idiot.
>
>you also don't know where I live or what district I vote
>under. Cus its already blue, regardless of my vote.

In that case, I don't care about your vote until your state gets close. Congrats on being irrelevant. Lucky for me, I never criticized you over how you plan to vote. I criticized you for spreading a false equivalence that was manufactured to help Republicans.



Coming back to where we started: If you're real, and if you *actually* care about your supposedly-leftist politics, why have you made only 875 posts over the past thirteen years? Why have we never seen this passion until now?

Biden doesn't even have the required delegate count yet, so no. He is still the front-runner.

As for the rest of your post. I was an actual child when I first made this account. Growing up brown during the Iraq War was a huge part of my initial interest in leftist politics. Then college and school happened. Now I'm busy with work. But yeah, there was a period where I was falsely optimistic during Obama. Now I see just how systemic everything is and how establishment dems want people who like AOC to be their staffers but don't want her trying to change their platform.

As for why I'm posting now...i'm stuck at home and am kinda shocked by some of these replies.

https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1265494148573954051

A great read about this issue from a professor at Columbia.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/05/27/joe-biden-rape-culture-and-living-dark

including under oath. And she somehow was able to get a law degree.

She also frequently lies about her employment history too.

probably a great time to review this clown show of a post and remember who fell for what and when and who still does.

Bunch of fucking marks who never came across an okiedoke they couldn't fall for with the nerve to think they should be taken seriously.

"I think okp should keep this post so we can know who the crazies are."




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i havent seen their links posted here in a while.

😉

pierre omidyar is kind of an idiot is the long and short of it

greenwald sucks, poitras is ok in her lane but rarely stays in her lane

ryan grim runs the dc desk who is ostensibly "leftist" but hates black people more than he dislikes republicans

I guess Lee Fang doesn't work there anymore, who is good to know because if he says something you know it's a. racist against black people and b. will be proven to be incorrect shortly

biddle is ok and they have some other decent reporters, but ultimately there's a lot of wasted energy

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

lil inside joke with navajo joe

im fully aware of whats gone on at that cesspool of 'progressive' journalism lol.

It's just frustrating as shit to see the journalists I actually respect scrape for work while omidyar spends money on literal dogshit

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

and the intercept's silence is deafening albeit not unexpected

Useful idiots

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-sex-assault-accuser-tara-reade-russian-citizenship/
Biden sex assault accuser Tara Reade asks for Russian citizenship

Swipe:

Reade, who called herself a geopolitical analyst, said in the Sputnik interview that after making her allegations public in 2020, she was threatened with prison, her life was threatened, and she was called a Russian agent.

Sitting alongside Maria Butina, a current member of Russia's parliament who was arrested and imprisoned in Washington in July 2018 as an alleged spy for Russia, before being released in October 2019 and deported, Reade told the interviewer she has "always loved Russia."

"I do not see Russia as an enemy nor do many of my fellow American citizens," she said, adding that she had one "large" request.

Though she wants to hold on to her U.S. citizenship, she said she'd "like to apply for citizenship in Russia, from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin... I do promise to be a good citizen."

According to The Guardian, Reade said of Butina, "I just really so appreciate Maria and everyone who's been giving me at a time when it's been very difficult to know if I'm safe or not. I just didn't want to walk home and walk into a cage or be killed, which is basically my two choices."

unless russia was really deep cover manipulating snowden, he was just an idiot and an asshole who also did a probably good thing, but ended up in russia because Putin likes fucking with the US


and Reade has been extremely openly "I'll hang out with anyone who opposes biden" and now, as a grand prize, gets to move wartime Russia and never come back to the US


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

unless they hoping to buy shit on the low low since Putin is getting his ass handed to him by Ukraine

All it took was a allegation that was politically inconvenient


but even better, not only is she lying, shes a high level russian spy.


I tell you what man. Really excited for this election season.