>>Theres no dirty tricks here. Just some big names throwing
>>their weight behind Biden.
>>
>>I think its the wrong call, but if you guys can't overcome
>>it...how are you going to win the general?
>>
>>Pass M4A? etc
>>
>>
>>This isn't the hardest fight your movement would face- it is
>>by far the easiest.
>
>nothing happening here is out of the ordinary or dirty.
>people drop out of races and endorse another candidate all the
>time.

Right. If anything, why isn't it more concerning that no candidate has dropped out and endorsed Bernie? If the winds were really blowing Bernie's way, you'd think someone would endorse.


Warren might not even endorse him. Of course *they* will torch her if that happens, but when will they stop and ask why he hasn't fostered more support, etc?

And regardless of why he doesn't have support, how is he going to pass his agenda with so little support *in his own party*?


the only answer I ever got was he'll hold rallies in Manchins backyard. lol


>
>the problem with positioning yourself as a fighter against the
>establishment...the establishment can fight back too. and it
>usually wins.
>
>*you* drew the line in the sand and placed everyone else on
>the other side of it.

Exactly. Even Warren, the 2nd most progressive candidate in the race who is a lot closer to Bernie than say Pete...is a snake, etc.

There is no room to move that line in the sand an inch.

>
>maybe bernie can win. maybe he cant. but he isnt entitled to
>the nomination. and candidates throwing their weight behind
>another candidate (for any reason) isnt stealing/rigging
>anything.

I think that has been the most shocking aspect of his run this time- the sense of entitlement which a lot of Bernie supporters (and myself) were disgusted by in Hillary and her supporters last time.



>
>i give trump a lot of credit on this one aspect. he went up
>against the republican party establishment *and* fox news.
>and won. thats a 'movement'. took the entire party from its
>gatekeepers and it wasnt even close.

Yeah I'm trying to remember if the party rallied around Ted or whoever but I can't remember. Seems like it was 15 years ago at this point.

>
>i do have a genuine question about bernie. what does it say
>about your ability to lead a party that you never really took
>the time/effort to develop these important political
>relationships in? where are your loyal allies and
>beneficiaries of your political capital and good will?

Dog, I've never gotten an answer.

He's running like an outsider, but hes been in congress for 30 fucking years or whatever.

Why doesn't he have more support/friends? Why wasn't he able to accomplish more? Why did it take so long for him to build a movement? If he loses, will he still hold rallies in Manchin's back yard for the cause?

And more importantly, what will he/they do if/when these questions are posed in the general.


>
>who have you bailed out in a tough race? whose legislation
>have you took the torch on and dragged across the finish line?
> who are your long time friends in congress that you have old
>drinking stories with?


>if bernie does indeed win...im not sure people are just gonna
>stick their necks out for him because hes the president. why
>would these folks trust that you have their best interests at
>heart too?
>

Right. How will he pass M4A when he will have a hard enough time getting support from Dems, let alone the GOP?

AND he won't nuke the filibuster?

The answer is the movement will hold rallies, but I don't see why that still can't happen then.