I haven’t seen it yet but I’m hearing they touched on Black Wall St.

Of course white folks are so surprised they knew nothing about it.

so I'm all for it

But the first episode was really good. I'm into it.

I'm hoping it stays this good because the other shows Damon Lindelof has done... ehhhh...

i need to see more of this story because Watchmen was not told from the side of the oppressed.

are we mining black pain for white entertainment?

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

cause I had no interest in this show until I heard about the first episode. The trailers didn’t do anything for me.

Didn’t like the movie.

Never followed or even heard of the comic before the movie came out.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

from the looks of this thread you definitely on the highest of horses

And white identity extremists as the villain


Im sure it will go off the rails at some point but I'm in

The comic wasnt.

So far in the series the villain is shaping up to be a survivor of the Tulsa Massacre. The hero is a law-breaking, but state-sanctioned, vigilante cop who tortures to get results. The Panda who attempts to enforce civil rights is a hated bureaucrat.

Let's wait and see.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

We have no idea who is on the right side.. or if there is a right side.

What’s the squid rain about?

Regina King enough said

I had the same reaction as Regina

WTF????

I also have questions about her husband. Where did he go when dude broke into the house on The White Night?

I mean I know he's kinda the wife in the relationship but he just vanished


>I also have questions about her husband. Where did he go when
>dude broke into the house on The White Night?
>
>

>I mean I know he's kinda the wife in the relationship but he
>just vanished

what kinda misogynist shit is that?

>I mean I know he's kinda the wife in the relationship but he
>just vanished


My dude...

How did you feel watching the reveal from the most recent episode?

Did he save her? She was on the ground, shot in the gut with that Calvary member standing over her with his gun pointed at her face... then she woke up in the hospital. So, either her husband saved her, someone else saved her, or the White Night was a part of the grand conspiracy and they left her alive on purpose. Right?

She wakes up and her husband just so happens to be sent home by her boss?

Ok

TV shows and movies are hell bent on destroying classic brands. Watchmen, Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator, Alien, etc.

lol

lol all you like but that first Watchmen episode was bollocks.

Well, never mind.

Also you're The Shield > The Wire guy.

Reason given: "The Shield is more real"

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=212091&mesg_id=212091&listing_type=search

And I still say it's pretentious rubbish.

I much preferred The Shield to The Wire. I was only winding folks up about it being more real. I'm from England. What the fuck do I know about what's real in the US?

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://www.Tupreme.com

...

On the other hand, shouldn't we support Regina King?

addressing racism gets the darkies all riled up.

I think folks are prematurely applauding taking on the white supremacy stuff but if the show is true to the comics then we will see their won't be clear good guys and bad guys. I suspect we might see some sympathetic 7th Calavry folks soon.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i wish i didn't have to wait and could binge it tho

I'll give the first season a full view.
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DJTB YOMM

Love how it started focusing more on the characters (Ozzy, Silk, and the Doc).

I thought it was going to be a same universe, different character thing but now theyre looping in the main characters more.

curious to see where they are trying to go with it. Alternate universe, racial tension, vigilante heroes....one hell of a mix.

Plus Regina King is fly as shit.

Never read the comic so more open to different plot lines.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiN5pR0nS80&feature=emb_logo#t=23m45s

Questlove's Finding Your Roots Appearance Directly Influenced a Storyline on Watchmen
Showrunner Damon Lindelof explained on HBO's official Watchmen podcast.

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a29741106/questlove-watchmen-finding-your-roots/

Here's a decent bet: you probably wouldn't expect one of the most popular musicians in America to directly influence a high-concept HBO comic book show. But on the official Watchmen podcast, Damon Lindelof recounted how Questlove—drummer for The Roots and star of The Tonight Show—influenced key concepts that made it directly into the new series.

Lindelof says he's "obsessed" with the show Finding Your Roots, where Henry Louis Gates (who appears in a cameo on Watchmen as a fictionalized version of himself serving as the U.S. Secretary of Treasury) helps celebrities learn more about their heritage.

Lindelof recalls the episode vividly, particularly the moment Gates reveals to Questlove that his distant ancestors came to America on the last ship carrying slaves. He tells Questlove where they landed, where they settled, and more.

"As he's telling the story, Questlove starts to have this incredibly emotional reaction," Lindelof say. "He says 'I feel like I know who I am.'" (His quote verbatim, as you can see in the video below, is "Until an hour ago, I didn't know who I was.")

Lindelof, who is part-Ashkenazi Jewish, had ancestors who survived World War II, which profoundly impacted how he viewed himself growing up. He told Variety his grandparents' survival “resulted in me."

He continues on the podcast:

"That's not something that I could really relate to, as a white person, as it pertains to the last 400 years of history in America that was visited upon people who were brought here to this country and enslaved, and all the treasure of this country was basically born upon their backs.
That said, I understand the idea of knowing who I am based on understanding the trials and tribulations and trauma visited upon my grandparents. So, hearing that my grandparents just got out of Russia right before they would've been shipped off to concentration camps actually creates an emotional reaction in me, and suddenly I feel like that's a piece of the puzzle of who I am, even though this person died 20 years before I was born. Suddenly, I was like that feels very Watchmen to me."
This observation translates directly to the second episode of Watchmen, when the mysterious, wheelchair-bound Will Reeves tells Regina King's Angela Abar his intent: "I came to tell you who you are."

We haven't gotten a ton of answers yet as to what Will meant by who Angela is, but just the mere fact that she now knows that they're related is a start, and represents a path toward the sort of enlightenment that Lindelof describes, and that he witnessed Questlove experience.

"This is something that I feel like all of us as humans are striving to do—we want to understand who we are, and why we do the things we do, and why we feel anxious and scared, and it's hard for us to separate what was inherited—what came from our parents, and their parents before them, and what was unique to us," he said. "And you need to know who you are before you can separate those things out."

To hear the full conversation between Lindelof and Chernobyl creator Craig Mazin, you can listen to the Watchmen podcast below. The Finding Your Roots conversation begins at 23:45.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Watching scenes and have no idea what's going on and hoping there will be a payoff later to explain what I am seeing.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I’m just along for the ride. I have no idea what’s going on and I barely remember the movie.

If Regina wasn’t in it I’m not sure I would be invested.

This was an excellent episode. We got some Looking Glass backstory. We found out what's happening with the 7th Kavalary. We found out WTF Veidt was trying to do. It was the episode most directly links to the source material.

I'm about to catch 4 and 5 tonight. My wiz be like, "WTF we watching?" Ten minutes later, she and I both'll be glued...then a flashback or some other weird isht.

Like Legz said, I'm just along for the ride. I'on't watch much, so it's sumn different.

Only thing I could answer with is “ionno”

Cause I really have no idea wtf is going on when it comes to the cops, terrorist and race relations.

I tried to tell my wife one scene was clones but it was too late. She was horrified.

What’s crazy is she can watch WestWorld without flinching but it’s because she kinda knows what’s going on. With this show, it’s all new even though we watched the movie when it came out.

Because she seems into the show but has no clue what's going on half the time and I threw my hands up trying to explain the squid.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

descendents of Tulsa Riots. I may be wrong.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I think youre right. The writers have been good with using current issues of TODAY as part of the jump off, just like the og Moore did back in the 80's.


>descendents of Tulsa Riots. I may be wrong.
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

If youve read it, a quik synopsis could be enough..maybe letting in on that its back in 1985 it was a different world where superheroes were part of american history and one of them was a Dr Manhattan ended up being one with the power of the universe y a freak accident, Nixon won several terms of presidency, the world was on the brink of nuclear war but one of the superheroes (Veidt) created a super squid and psychic nuclear blast on NY that included a giant squid as an attack to bring the world together.

>Only thing I could answer with is “ionno”
>
>Cause I really have no idea wtf is going on when it comes to
>the cops, terrorist and race relations.
>
>I tried to tell my wife one scene was clones but it was too
>late. She was horrified.
>
>What’s crazy is she can watch WestWorld without flinching
>but it’s because she kinda knows what’s going on. With
>this show, it’s all new even though we watched the movie
>when it came out.
>
>

but I still have no idea what’s going on with these new episodes.

He’s a good reference tho.

This show has delivered. I dont care what the they do the next two final episodes.

Never thought Watchmen would lead to the illest black superhero origin story ever.

I am also pleased they did that and also managed to piss off the hoteps.

https://twitter.com/SunBlessedSkin/status/1199201647269953537?s=19


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

That's amazing.

Folks need to see this ep before it's banned from TV.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Wait until they connect the dots, the Secret Service will be kicking Damon Lindelof's door in.

until it was literally spelled out on twitter. That level of writing is beyond wild. I have to imagine it took a long time to fully build the world the show is based upon.

but the get back was on point.

When he put one in dudes head like I was telling him to do I was all for it

I’m still confused how the TV show has him as a white dude.

Because white is the default. HJ's identity was never revealed, so white folks are just gonna assume that a 'hero' is white.

I think I was a bit confused because a few episodes back they shows Glass Mask watching a the white hero get rammed. I didn’t realize it was an actual show the first time around. I thought Glass Mask was watching some intel or a black mail tape of some colleagues.

That’s a wild ass show if they show all that on TV... it must be cable.

But this last episode kinda put it into perspective.

He did put on makeup to appear white.

you still cumming over tho right?

Regina King is the only reason I even gave the show a chance.
I thought this year's Joker movie was the best a super hero origin story could get...and this show surpasses that cinematic excellence.

Definitely a television pinnacle, every episode is amazingly better than last week's.

I re-watched ep.6 and suddenly noticed how amazing King is in the role. She physically takes on the mannerisms and expressions of her grandfather, while overdosing on that nostalgia narcotic.

Hoteps just mad to be mad, they're still angry and dismissive over the late great Manning Marabel because of his Malcolm X biography, for this very reason. But what a clever tie, perhaps to that. Definitely to the actual graphic novel, there was an inferred sexual relationship between the two, if I remember correctly.

I have to see if there were any suggestions that he was black.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

because it's been a while since I read the original material, but I remember that character being very minor. I think the majority of the info for him derived from the supplemental material tacked on either at the end of each chapter or placed on the edges of the comic frames.

it's about The Watchmen and it features the show's writer (along w/ Lindelof), Cord Jefferson.

and it's confirmed on there that there is no info about HJ's origin in the original comic.

that couldve been a movie in itself.

or was that part of the memory sequence?

How did she end up in the Asian woman’s care?

Who are the good guys?

But once Angela started tripping balls, and Agent Blake couldn't get through to her, Blake probably turned her over to Lady Trieu. Trieu's company (or Veidt's) probably created the Nostalgia drug, plus she was the one supplying it to Lou Gossett.

That shit went from zero to "oh fuck!" Everybody's plan is out in the open now. Cannot wait to see how this all plays out.

Like I always thought it was strange that she had this black docile husband having no problem raising white kids. He just seemed like no other brother I'd ever seen. I thought it was just poor characterization. Turns out he was suppose to be that way.

I also thought it was Angela was just playing a no nonsense sister girl with attitude who had no interest in "saving the world" or figuring out who the Dr. Manhattan was living in Tulsa. Turns out sh was playing a part to hide what she knew.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Question: anyone know the significance of Looking Glass having the one dude at his bunker w/ no mask. I assumed he stole dude's Rorschach mask to infiltrate the 7th Calvary after the guilt of him doing Angela wrong set in, but was there something more than that?

I had no idea why but duhhhh, that makes perfect sense.

Looking Glass is going to help save Dr. Manhattan.

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Really hope they nail these last two episodes, but I got a lot of faith they will.

just a huge source of "clean memory cells/fluid" ?

how 7th kalvary develop that portal from last ep? theyre mostly idiots. with trap doors


the storytelling is crazy on this jawn
-whitewashing history/black achievements
-movies and tv "mesmerizing" folks (but reeves/HJ making a portable one was dope lol)
-cyclops using the same "ok" wp hand signal
-folk taking nostalgia to revisit their trauma (message!)
-ozy and the fetus lake and roasting clones in the air fryer is wild. the timeline aint lining up but probably by the last ep his story will catch up with the 2019 earth storyline

and I’m also thinking the senator hired techies for the portals

The wife of the police chief tho.. with that bunk ass trap door. Shit had me rollin’

Makes me believe the portal won’t work if they ca t eve get a trap door to work.

The thing that trips me out but also is spot on is the wife being a POS. One thing that was pointed out about Trump and all these butt hurt white dudes is they were all raised by women to be this way. So anytime people try to use the WW as a sympathetic figure... nope.

If they stick the landing next week. Maybe even if they don't.

that I believe they'll pull it off.


This show is just an absolute gift.

nm

Why did they relax?

This probably has the same answer, but since 1985, has Doc not looked into his vulnerability to/inability to maneuver through tachyon fields? If that's what made him blind to the "Squid" attack, you'd think he'd put some research time into figuring it out.

Like he doesn't change history, he just knows what's going to happen because he is experiencing it all at once. Or maybeit's the type of time travel they use in End Game (probably wrong about this).

I know doesn't completely work because they seemed to change history by Angela asking her dad about the old cop but maybe that wasn't changing history but always meant to happen?

IDK, can't scrutinize time storylines too much or you go screwy or it falls apart.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I mean, if Veidt says (roughly) this tachyon ring can short out your powers or if John himself can say (roughly) that tachyons are the source of him not being able to experience chunks of time because they blind him some kinda way, why doesn’t he develop a way to see through them?

It’s rhetorical mostly, because I’m sure it’s meant to be his kryptonite.

or the details of what happened in 1985,


but in the current timeline he becomes aware of the ring and how it works and then he cant see anything until after the tunnel.

he doesnt build a counter for the particles because yes, PLOT ARMOR, but in the story its because he needed to be taking a risk

ie that fav science fiction trope of "he did it for love"(c)rkelly (c)neo in the matrix (c)star wars, etc

or not die. but that dude is so next level I can see him not seeing a difference and not really caring the way humans do.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Or taking a slight step back I don't see any reason to believe he necessarily wants his powers, or doesn't want them. No reason to believe that he cares that there's a limit to his power or that he should be looking for a solution to his weakness.

I think what Veidt realizes Europa needs is for those people to have free will and/or a devil to make their world actually worthwhile. Something like that but they are going to set that world to be on course to be more like our world.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i dont kno how the silver horseshoe is gettin him out tho

or watched the movie. or even heard of them to be completely honest lol

anddddd i am so glad i did.

there were so many oh sh$t moments for me without having the same context as folks who knew the premise and characters.

and now i get to read the graphic novel and come back and rewatch to have all those oh shit moments over again as i make more connections. i can't wait. lol

also if you haven't listened to the official watchmen podcast, it is def worth checking it out.

The official podcast of the HBO series Watchmen. Over three episodes, host Craig Mazin (HBO's Chernobyl) discusses Watchmen with its Executive Producer and Writer, Damon Lindelof. Join Mazin and Lindelof as they divulge narrative choices, explore the show’s connection with the groundbreaking graphic novel, and how it reflects our modern times.

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-official-watchmen-podcast-hbo-Tecn6V892yP/

The HFP probably dont get that context of the graphic novel is paramount to get whats going on regardles of the quality of the writing, performances, etc.

Unless they did sme screening prior to when Watchmen premiered on HBO 8 weeks ago.

Not sure how accurate the HFP ar with these things though

It did the film festival circuit during the late summer/early fall. And I'm pretty sure it's been screened for others since then.

>It did the film festival circuit during the late summer/early
>fall. And I'm pretty sure it's been screened for others since
>then.

I haven’t read the novel and that has been entertaining as hell and the acting is fantastic.

I don’t care for the award shows so it doesn’t matter to me.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/golden-globes-snubs-when-they-see-us-watchmen-2020-nominations-1202195521/

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Dude from When They See Us snubbed too.

Lindelof said they might do another one if he has another good idea but for right now this is it.

but if they do revisit it, maybe tell the story of another character before 2019.

I need another season though.

Follow this story and expand this universe. I have full confidence in this team to hit another home run season or two.

I don't want an 8 season saga, but 3-4 seasons in total? I think they can nail it.

that was a hell of a series... needs no more... but dammed if I wouldn't watch more.

i had forgotten that they switched out the squid in the comics to Dr. Manhattan in the movie

so naturally if you’re watching with the mind that the show is a continuation of the movie its gon have you all fucked up

that said, while i like it i can see why most in our culture cant mentally digest it