>If we're going by what should have happened in a functioning,
>morally upright government - then yes - Trump should've been
>impeached already and I'm in full support of that. But given
>this reality we live in (where institutional failure is a
>norm) - I find it suspect to think that launching impeachment
>proceedings right before a major 2020 election is a
>politically savvy thing to do - *especially* when you consider
>the extraordinarily high bar set to actually impeach *and*
>remove a sitting President.

I don't think anyone expects him to be removed.

To be brief, do you not think this could help turnout on the left?

Do you not see the value in making senators pick a side?

Do you not see the value in controlling the news cycle (for a change) and shining more light on the corruption of the admin?

>
>Dems should focus on annihilating Trump and Republicans and
>prosecute him for the clear degradation of our standing in the
>world that has materialized since he took office - by
>appealing to voters with superior messaging and aspirational
>rallying of the majority of Americans (who are with Democrats
>on virtually every issue).

And why can't they do that still? Hell, Warren HAS ALREADY made her entire platform based on eliminating corruption. This rolls right into that.

And even if its a different candidate, how does *finally* holding this pres accountable (kind of) make it so they can't do that?



>
>To me impeachment will play out as if Dems want to remove
>Trump the easy way, without taking the fight to him in 2020.

Well, if you don't trust Dems will stick the messaging...I agree with your concern.

But they should be able to do both.

>And if impeachment fails (which it will) - it will just
>further Trump's legend that he's battling the entire "deep
>state" again.

It is odd, because this sounds like a very moderate Dem talking point.

Trump is going to claim victim either way- you know that.

If it isn't impeachment, it will be "harassment" or whatever. He will fire up his base no.matter.what.

So...at the very absolute least...why not fire up ours?

It's not a winner for Dems in 2020. I think it
>also speaks to the Dem Establishment lack of confidence in
>Biden to carry the torch, and their apprehension to pass the
>baton to Progressive champions like Bernie or Warren.
>
>
>-->

**record scratch**

huh?

First, I disagree completely. This pressure came from Nancy's left. Warren has been calling for impeachment since what, April?

So...you think they are sabotaging the election so Warren can't win?

Or do you think they expect to *win* impeachment, so they don't want to risk 2020?


So you think they said "looks like Weekend at Bidens isn't going to work out, and we don't want a Progressive, so lets impeach so that...." what?

I really don't get your theory here man.