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13347054, Whew lawd...Bill Burr needs to be cancelled for his new Netflix special
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Wed Sep-11-19 11:30 AM
Not really tho.
I thought it was kind of funny. Not as funny as he usually is. And nothing compares to his Conan appearances.

But he basically did a Chappelle x 5. Not as clever as Chappelle, but made more of a point to be subversive

13347055, If any of you wish to be a comedian, study "Sticks and Stones" (c) Norm
Posted by bentagain, Wed Sep-11-19 11:40 AM
MacDonald

https://twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/1171200127815434240

If any of you wish to be a comedian, study "Sticks and Stones", a comedy special from The Peerless One. If you don't consider Chappelle funny, you are wrong. If you are a comedian who does not see that he is the best we have, quit.
13347063, Yeah but NM is a pretty terrible person.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Sep-11-19 12:08 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13347064, Please expound.
Posted by Numba_33, Wed Sep-11-19 12:24 PM
13347069, No. Norm is pretty much the second coming.
Posted by Mgmt, Wed Sep-11-19 12:32 PM
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13347219, I like Norm's comedy/movies/shows
Posted by Adwhizz, Thu Sep-12-19 11:06 AM
But I know he's pretty conservative, possibly a Trump supporter

He's not one to shy away from jokes about race/sexuality

https://youtu.be/ODheqWik3Qo
13347086, 100000% fact
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Sep-11-19 01:24 PM
13347057, Oh shit. Can’t wait to see this
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Sep-11-19 11:52 AM
13347067, via Vulture (swipe)
Posted by Selah, Wed Sep-11-19 12:30 PM
Bill Burr’s New Stand-up Special Is So Much Better Than Its First 4 Minutes - by Kathryn VanArendonk

There’s a short montage in the trailer for Bill Burr’s new Netflix special Paper Tiger that cuts various moments in the special into one brief run of Burr yelling hot-button phrases in mocking tones. “The #MeToo movement!” he yells. “White male privilege! Hipsters! ‘I’m a male feminist!’” “By the way, this is gonna be my last show ever,” the trailer cuts to Burr saying next. The implication of a trailer like that, and of much of the buzz about Burr’s special, is that it is a middle finger to civility, a takedown of PC culture. It’s positioned as one more in the recent run of comedy specials that respond to straw men like “cancel culture” and “safe spaces” by deriding them, pushing back at audiences for their sensitivity and inability to take a joke. Cut into the trailer as it is, Burr’s “This is gonna be my last show ever” line sounds like he’s about to be so provocative that he will never be allowed onstage again.

The opening of Paper Tiger feels like Burr leaning into exactly that proposition. For the first several minutes, he flips quickly through complaints about the overanalysis of jokes, how white women are to blame for the current lamentable state of culture in the United States, and jokes about disabled characters being played by able-bodied actors. In his biggest and most convincingly risky swing, the first few minutes include a bit about Michelle Obama. Burr, in full character as angriest man in the world, is not a Michelle fan. It is an opening segment that dares you to turn the special off in disgust — the kind of opening that makes the special’s closing credit for executive producer Dave Becky utterly unsurprising. It is exactly what the trailer suggests Paper Tiger will be: furious, resentful troll comedy that plays like a toddler yelling the only swear word they know, desperately begging for someone to punish them.

It’d be hard to blame anyone for turning Paper Tiger off at that point. Misbehaving toddlers grasping for parental boundaries are no one’s idea of good company. The thing is that once Burr moves past that part of the special — once he gets through the sexist throat-clearing and the tick-the-box list of rebellious trollish vocab — the rest of the special is different.

It doesn’t look that different on the surface. Burr rags on his wife, calls sexual assault funny, and puts on a stupid voice and mocks male feminists. He makes fun of the idea that culture can be appropriated. He talks, wistfully, about a time where there will be high-quality sex robots so that women are no longer necessary. You could imagine versions of all of these jokes that are absolutely in keeping with the opening several minutes of his set, versions where they’re jokes about victimhood or oversensitivity. In every one of them, though, Burr at some point flips the switch, and unspools the initial premise of the joke.

“Sexual assault is funny,” Burr begins, before telling a story about a woman touching him inappropriately before a show. In his telling it is funny, because he’s quite capable of pointing out the absurdities of the situation. He plays up his futile inability to respond after the act, and how thoroughly he’d be mocked if he tried to explain his discomfort to other men. “Eyyyyy flick my balls!” Burr yells, in consummate character as a clueless asshole who Burr imagines laughing at this story about a man being assaulted by a woman. It becomes a joke about Burr wrestling with the intractable gender politics of vulnerability. It is a joke about how sexual assault has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power. It’s so far from his opening lines about how #MeToo has robbed men of due process that it feels like the message could’ve come straight off an anti-Trump protest poster.

Aside from the opening several minutes, Burr’s whole set is like that: thoughtful, surprising, introspective. He keeps yelling, of course, as if by bellowing his ideas while striding angrily around the stage he can distract from the fact that he’s delivering jokes so sensitive that some border on sweetness. In one of my favorite sequences of the special, Burr dramatizes the experience of watching a documentary on Elvis together with his wife. While he watches along in interest, he notices that his wife, who’s black, is making frustrated sounds at various moments of racism in the Elvis story. Burr turns his exchange with his wife into a canny stand-in for a clueless white troll arguing with a black interrogator, where Burr takes on the role of MAGA provocateur and his wife is the exasperated voice of the “liberal elite.”

Burr, telling the story of this fight with his wife, describes himself trying to defend Elvis against accusations of racist cultural appropriation. Sure, Elvis may have stolen his dance move from a black person, but where did that guy get it? Why is it “carrying on the tradition” if the move was adopted by a black person, but “stealing” if Elvis does it? A lesser joke could easily end there, passing off that anemic observation as a comedic insight. But Burr goes on, first voicing his wife’s explanation that Elvis reaped endless profit and cultural acclaim while the original innovators did nothing, and then his admission that yes, she is right. He then goes on to spin the joke again, digging deeper into his own humiliation and then landing on a punchline that, almost miraculously, reinstates his ability to control a joke while also mocking his original cluelessness.

Paper Tiger is primarily fueled by shame — by Burr’s own shame in himself and his efforts to be a better person for his family and his own future. Over and over again, in his jokes about his childhood, marriage, his dog, and even his extended bit about sex robots, Burr probes the damage done by his own shame and emotional repression. The first several minutes of the special make it seem as though the paper tiger of the show’s title will be the overly sensitive audience, or snowflake culture, or women in general — scary, toothy beasts who will crumple at the slightest pressure. In the next 50 minutes, though, it’s clear that the paper tiger is Burr, roaring with all his might and then explaining exactly how embarrassed he is by his own fragility. It’s frustrating that Burr feels the need to start by roaring so aggressively, because anyone who showed up to see a tiger is actually getting something subtler and more carefully crafted.

src:

https://www.vulture.com/2019/09/bill-burr-paper-tiger-netflix-comedy-review.html
13347083, This helps, because I absolutely did turn it off in the first few minutes.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Wed Sep-11-19 01:19 PM
13347080, +1 on his Conan appearances
Posted by dustin, Wed Sep-11-19 01:11 PM
I love Bill Burr but his specials don't hit the same way as his appearances elsewhere. I enjoyed this one but if I youtube Bill Burr I'm 100% clicking on a talk show clip before a standup clip.
13347089, they are all great, but the one where he was basically convincing...
Posted by PROMO, Wed Sep-11-19 01:29 PM
Toby Magwire (sp?) to kill some one is PEAK Bill Burr.
13347142, if it's the clip I think you're talking about it was Elijah Wood
Posted by Ray_Snill, Wed Sep-11-19 04:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLTWW_yEG4

and man that was HILARIOUS!!


>Toby Magwire (sp?) to kill some one is PEAK Bill Burr.


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13347611, Peep the Conan Obrien Needs A Friend Podcast
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Sep-15-19 01:03 AM
13347088, I watched and laughed quite a bit. Not his BEST work but pretty good.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Sep-11-19 01:28 PM
Also, anytime I come to a bridge I'm now going to say "This is my favorite bridge" in a robot voice...you'll get that once you watch.
13347097, can't wait. his last one was kinda weak
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Sep-11-19 02:07 PM
the one before that was pretty great
13347129, Maybe it’s me but it seems like Netflix is hiding these new specials
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Sep-11-19 04:04 PM
I had to actually type in Dave Chappell’s to find his new one when it dropped

Didn’t know Burr had a special

Would think they would let me know based on my viewing history.
13347131, took up my whole tv screen when i opened Netflix last night
Posted by PROMO, Wed Sep-11-19 04:11 PM
13347186, It was on one of my list. I think it was “what are people watching”
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Sep-12-19 07:38 AM
or something like that but it was odd with Chappelle

I had to type in a search and it still showed al his other shows first.

13347233, that has happened to me before though. not often...
Posted by PROMO, Thu Sep-12-19 11:31 AM
but sometimes i do know something i wanna see has come out and i'm expecting to see it right away and i gotta scroll thru a bunch of stuff til i find it.
13347136, you logging in under your wife's profile.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Sep-11-19 04:18 PM
They hiding the offensive stuff and serving you up “Tidying Up With Marie Kondo”.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13347148, Chappelle came up as featured on mine
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Sep-11-19 05:13 PM
I haven't opened Netflix in a couple days so idk about Burr's
13347149, they often don't promote them the second they drop
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Sep-11-19 05:15 PM
but chappelle has been wall to wall in my app since the day after it came out

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13347597, Your algorithm is messed up....recalibrate it...
Posted by FLUIDJ, Sat Sep-14-19 07:08 PM
13347623, How?
Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Sep-15-19 08:40 AM
13347189, I give it a 3.5 out of 5. I fell asleep on the last 20 min
Posted by Case_One, Thu Sep-12-19 08:48 AM

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“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

The Case for Christ Lecture: https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

Looking for Good News: https://www.goo
13347286, that shit was GREAT!
Posted by Utamaroho, Thu Sep-12-19 03:11 PM
one of the best to do it.

watched it at the gym and had mad people get put on due to my laughing so much.
13347403, I love how he pulls a fast one on the audience the way he does
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Sep-13-19 11:04 AM
also he can't do his Eagles joke no more so that's good
13347406, Made me think of The Rant, every time he did it
Posted by bentagain, Fri Sep-13-19 11:12 AM
Really enjoyed the special

definitely alot of LOL moments

I noticed with Dave, he would unleash jokes specific to the region of the performance

ATL, he did some downlow jokes
TX, he did the gun jokes
LA, he did the LGBTQ jokes

I loved the Hawkings jokes!

The nerve of this guy to never stand up
13347449, Not his best, but still funny...
Posted by KnowOne, Fri Sep-13-19 12:42 PM
in fact VERY funny at certain moments.
13347554, this is the 1st bill burr special ive ever watched.
Posted by Reeq, Sat Sep-14-19 06:16 AM
i dig most of his interviews and podcast appearances so i checked it out.

it was pretty good. not enough to make check out future specials lol but it was cool.

the supposedly offensive portion of the show wasnt even that bad.
13347589, he does the tightrope thing so well
Posted by Mynoriti, Sat Sep-14-19 03:21 PM
or I don't even know what I'd call it or how to describe it. like he has this method where he looks like he's going off the rails on something, and he pulls it back and makes it hilarious. like he risks losing the audience and brings them right back.

however you wanna describe it it's fucking great. this is one of his best
13347762, yep... he might be the GOAT at doing this.
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Sep-16-19 03:20 PM
>or I don't even know what I'd call it or how to describe it.
>like he has this method where he looks like he's going off the
>rails on something, and he pulls it back and makes it
>hilarious. like he risks losing the audience and brings them
>right back.
>
>however you wanna describe it it's fucking great. this is one
>of his best

I think that's a case of using WHO HE IS as the joke in a way that's just brilliant

13347618, Didn’t really dig it. But he’s built up enough cache with me.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Sun Sep-15-19 06:18 AM
I’ma look at this as a blip.
13347619, Bill Burr is yt
Posted by Musa, Sun Sep-15-19 06:59 AM
He does not need to be consistently checked for this speech.
13347621, Only the beginning is the hair trigger stuff
Posted by spirit, Sun Sep-15-19 08:01 AM
The parts about him discussing his own anger are absolutely brilliant. Also top five race bits from a non Black person. The gender politics I’ll leave for someone else to comment on. I’d say folks should watch the whole thing for themselves.

>Not really tho.
>I thought it was kind of funny. Not as funny as he usually is.
>And nothing compares to his Conan appearances.
>
>But he basically did a Chappelle x 5. Not as clever as
>Chappelle, but made more of a point to be subversive
>
>


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com
13347624, The male feminism had me weak
Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Sep-15-19 08:43 AM
“How horrible did you treat women to have to go that far to compensate?”

Reminds me of a few folk on here.



13347647, I thought it was funny, he successfully walked the line in some areas...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Sep-15-19 06:26 PM
and went further than a black comedian ever could in others
13347767, This special made me finally google his wife.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Sep-16-19 03:54 PM
https://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/05/bill-burr-wife-nina-renee-hill-child-daughter/

Funny, I read the last paragraph and it remind me of Chris Rock's special about playing that Tambourine.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13347822, I love when ever she comes on on the podcast.
Posted by KnowOne, Tue Sep-17-19 07:45 AM
they seem like such a cool couple.
13347839, Yeah, she needs a triangle or a cowbell
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Sep-17-19 09:52 AM
just stay in the cut