Admittedly, it might've been a little hard to get into out the gate, BUT damnit if this second season isn't one of the most entertaining & well-written shows and finest acting on TV right now

Kidding, I just finished binging Billions (amazing show)

Sucession is good but I'm finding the show a bit awkward with finding its footing in the first half of the first episode of the new season.

Like just as a drama its great. But its also one of the funniest shows ever. The way it balances being dead serious and the humor is amazing.

When I first saw the previews for it I thought it looked lame. Didn't start watching until the whole first season was about over already.

This family is a shit show.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Moreso than drama. But it covers both.

But I think it was pretty clear that it was more comedy after like the 3rd episode of last season, IMO at least. But it does both well.

nm

Man, this family is so fucked up

But I feel dude when he wouldn’t let them bully him into naming a successor.

How the fuck you het 25 Bill and try to make more demands.

When he finally got the call tho.. lmao

Another great ep.

or can you jump right into the second ?

>or can you jump right into the second ?

n/m

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I can’t stop watching it tho.

Does a great job showing how miserable rich folks can be. All that money and no joy.

>I can’t stop watching it tho.
>
>Does a great job showing how miserable rich folks can be. All
>that money and no joy.

The show is doing that but also doing a great job making these people the hateable devils that they actually are. Like I have some level of grudging fondness for Tom & Greg, but outside of that I literally loathe everyone on the show, but can't look away. And you just know that these revolting pieces of shit are very accurate portrayals of real life billionaires.

but they both get on my nerves too.

Tom has no balls. Shiv took them

Gregory. Well, he just umm and uhhhs too much

>but they both get on my nerves too.
>
>Tom has no balls. Shiv took them
>
>Gregory. Well, he just umm and uhhhs too much

Soon as they got in that car I was like, yep, know where this is going.


Also became clear by that finale that Shiv might be the worst of them all.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

As much as I don't like Tom (he's hilarious but I hate those kind of assholes) I feel for him because Shiv has all his manhood in her purse and waves it in front of his face. Strong arming Tom into an open relationship, telling him to his face he doesn't want to know what happened when she had her fun, then cock blocking him at the convention? And that's before the fact that he's getting served up on a platter to have his division cut and Shiv will be holding the knife.

Just wait until Logan leaves her out to dry

I have a hard time feeling bad for Tom because he *is* kind of an asshole, and playing along with all the Logans' bullshit just to get a piece of it himself. So as likable a character as he is, if he were a real human I'd be like "you reap what you sow" know what I mean.

But I definitely get what you're saying ?


>RE: Shiv is absolutely a terrible person
>As much as I don't like Tom (he's hilarious but I hate those
>kind of assholes) I feel for him because Shiv has all his
>manhood in her purse and waves it in front of his face. Strong
>arming Tom into an open relationship, telling him to his face
>he doesn't want to know what happened when she had her fun,
>then cock blocking him at the convention? And that's before
>the fact that he's getting served up on a platter to have his
>division cut and Shiv will be holding the knife.
>
>Just wait until Logan leaves her out to dry

pretentious ass limousine liberals. much like the Roys, hardly any exposure to the real world and actual humans, but at least the Roys are somewhat self aware that they're not good people.

Nan's interaction with Rosa, with her fake down to earth act like if she sees her more than a servant, to bringing that roast out was pretty much everything you need to know

This forum is worthless, useless, and devoid of good people

>
>Admittedly, it might've been a little hard to get into out the
>gate, BUT damnit if this second season isn't one of the most
>entertaining & well-written shows and finest acting on TV
>right now
>
>

>This forum is worthless, useless, and devoid of good people

You ain't lying though. The backside shot from this episode was DAMNNNNN.

But I’m right there with you nonetheless

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

and they make it a point to highlight it

She got a bubble

I always think "wait, hold up...am I seeing things?"

Rape of the male

LMAO

The mom is one cold piece of work. Kendall may end up slitting his wrists in a bathtub in the finale. Logan was all BDE, reminding the kids who still has the power and rubbing their noses in it. Shiv absolutely played herself, but the getback between her and Rhea is going to be epic.

Tom and Greg(ory)? Still comedy. Still don't like Tom, but the looks on his face as he increasingly realizes he's off to the guillotine are great

I missed last night. Can’t wait to watch it tonight.

Just watch the ep tonight and you'll see (and understand what I said bout Kendall)

This is going to be fun.

She was terrible at the wedding party.

I liked the show but I had to stop watching after having an extreme cringe-attack from the Uber Scene the mom had with people.

lol this show is amazing

Nah, I think he was stewing on why Logan didn’t give him the overwhelming approval he hoped for when introducing her. He summed it up to her acting like a basic bitch when she had the opportunity to shine in front of Daddy.

Kendall now more than ever is fueled by his dads approval and nothing else. New girl got in the way of that. So he settled on dismissing her in the most callus way possible. Shit was ice cold!

>Nah, I think he was stewing on why Logan didn’t give him
>the overwhelming approval he hoped for when introducing her.
>He summed it up to her acting like a basic bitch when she had
>the opportunity to shine in front of Daddy.
>
>Kendall now more than ever is fueled by his dads approval and
>nothing else. New girl got in the way of that. So he settled
>on dismissing her in the most callus way possible. Shit was
>ice cold!

The fuck did Kendall think would happen when she met his dad?

She was going to go in depth on some news shit or snark him up?

He set her up to fail.

i dunno what he was expecting but Kendall has a wire lose. He spent the whole ep trying to convince everyone, and himself he was "ok" because he found someone.

he did her a favor, really. dude's a trainwreck. another week or two and she would've caught on anyway.

quote grace. he said something like "that was legit, bro. are you like a poet-ess?

It might be a blessing for her, or she might be a bad actress. The only person impressed by the play was Kendall.

We first got a taste of Willa's writing chops at Mo's funeral. Just like Willa, her cast might just be a bunch of hacks whose only chance at Broadway is some rich idiot pouring money into his girl's terrible play

not like i have knowledge of these types of functions but it felt so real lol.

I will say it wasn't nearly as bad as i was bracing for

but the nerve of this fool doing that cringey shit, then shipping his girlfriend home because she said "awesome" twice.

might not be this season or the next, but I can see Greg turning out to be stronger and hungrier than the other kids and making some big moves in a big turn of events a way down the road.

It's like watching a person become. He went from bumbling idiot in a fur suit to a less bumbling idiot with a good haircut in a power suit.

Grexit*, tho. Haha.

I mean besides Connor, who is merely existing.

Also Shiv's full name is Siohban. What.

Popular Irish name. I’ve met a few in my day. Always a red haired white lade with XL jammers.

He offered that maid's kid $1 million if he could hit a homer in the pilot then tagged him out before he could reach home. He also fast tracked that shuttle launch that exploded just to try and one-up his sister on her wedding day and bought that local soccer club this week basically just to launder some money through the town real quick and take advantage of their fandom for a half-decade or so.


But compared to the others, I guess he hasn't gotten anybody killed yet.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

That’s why his ass got backhanded and lost a tooth

Logan: “I barely made contact”

>Also Shiv's full name is Siohban. What.

But yea - strange name. Gotta be Scottish or something.

One of the few times my Walkmen fanboyism paid off for me in real life. One of their first albums had a song called "Hang On, Siobhan" and it used to really bother me that he said "Shivonne" in the song. I never thought to look it up until that Saorsie Ronan got buzz from Ladybird a full decade later, but now I get to play the "you uncultured dummy!" card with friends and pretend that's not the case!


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

The spelling is all fucked up but that’s a dope ass name.

Login straight pushing Kendall in front of a bus

oh man, i felt for Tom. that was horrific lol

Rhea is so full of shit. I don't blame her for dipping out, but her whole act like she though Logan was anything other than was a complete trash human. FOH, lady.

Shiv and the second whistleblower was pretty interesting, because as manipulative as she was being, she wasn't really wrong in breaking down what the experience would be like for this woman if she moved forward.

They really put Tom in the chair to fry.

He told Logan he has a diary and will write a book if he ever has the time.

The first scene I just felt bad for him. He seemed genuinely decent

But the scene with Logan and Logan's comments about him seemed to indicate Bill has protected himself in case the try to serve him up.

I think Logan's "blood sacrifice" might actually be Logan

>
>I think Logan's "blood sacrifice" might actually be Logan


Bump this last part. They're def serving up Tom

Thing is... I can’t remember if Logan actually knows everything that happened in the cruise division clean up.

Shiv is definitely going to give Tom up if she has to

By not taking that money from Ewan. With Tom as the fall guy, he can say Tom made him do it. Which is true

I think poor Tom is fucked either way

>Thing is... I can’t remember if Logan actually knows
>everything that happened in the cruise

8 doubt he knows details, but he's the face. Blood sacrifice could also mean Kendall the way he pushed him out there

I think Tom is boned either way though

never noticed this on the ATN ticker in the opening credits until now

https://twitter.com/NyxLandUnlife/status/1169343826647048192/photo/1

That chyron and "Executive produced by Will Ferrell / Adam McKay". Especially for people who gave the first, maybe second episode a shot and wondered why anybody told them the show was funny (or more accurately, intentionally funny).


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Leaves a ton of potential for next season. They could go in so many different directions.

"Word?"

"That's my boy"

Or that he was genuinely surprised?

I liked that Tom finally told Shiv what a shitty person and wife she's been. And then ate Logans chicken.

Tom finally told Shiv what she already knows but doesn’t want to believe.

She ain’t shit.

Con man... “float me $100 mill” was hilarious. Dude is so delusional. I new his iPad was gone as soon as he showed it to her.

Gregory hooked him up with intel on the way over

Naomi's comment on how Logan likes him broken definitely stuck with him and plays in

I wonder what Kendal does if Logan told him he has what it takes. Kendal might have known it was BS and done it anyway

Logan was legit impressed, and if he didn't anticipate it he wasn't shocked. I have no clue how this plays out

>I have no clue how this plays out

... is what I loved about this ending more than anything. They could go in a million different, compelling directions with s3 and beyond.

This show is so good.

>"Word?"
>
>"That's my boy"

In other words, Succession > GOT

I feel like MOST prestige shows hit their stride with viewership around season 4; that's certainly when shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones hit their stride with the public. I'd throw The Wire and Mad Men in there too, but with those shows it was more like they hit their critical mass of hardcore fans at that time than fully broke through to the mainstream/being a cultural phenomenon. I'm sure there's plenty of counter examples but that's my armchair analysis.


The thing that could hold Succession back from getting recognized as the clear successor to Game of Thrones' dialogue + locations + family politics is the same thing that hurt Mad Men for a lot of people - some people just can't get over the fact that they hate the real life versions of these people. You'll never meet a Roose Bolton or a Walder Frey in real life, not totally, but you can read about a Kendall Roy whenever you want. Or, it's like of Game of Thrones was solely from the Lannisters' POV.


Succession is a much faster paced, pageturner of a program than Mad Men, but I could see it eventually stalling out before it hits that total zeitgeist level if its viewership plateaus next season. Hopefully I'm wrong, I want everyone I know to get over the hump and click with this masterpiece.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

There's nothing to compare it to that really works.

Its weird that I almost didn't get past the pilot. I was coming fresh off of Billions so comparisons were inevitable even though they're nothing alike. And even though I still love the pop culture reference factory that is Billions, it's about 15% as good as Succession

I cant think of a show running right now I've seen that's better

I knew right away, as I'm sure we all did, that I'd hate every one of these characters with the heat of a trillion suns. Which I do. But the writers do a positively *brilliant* job of making the hatred I have for these people feel entertaining and compelling at the same time. It's hard to put into words but yea - this is the best show on TV right now IMO and I am gonna miss it the next few months.


>There's nothing to compare it to that really works.
>
>Its weird that I almost didn't get past the pilot. I was
>coming fresh off of Billions so comparisons were inevitable
>even though they're nothing alike. And even though I still
>love the pop culture reference factory that is Billions, it's
>about 15% as good as Succession
>
>I cant think of a show running right now I've seen that's
>better

After being a broken patsy the entire season Kendall finally reclaims his balls and sticks the knife in Logan's back. Going in, you had to figure Ken was the sacrifice (even though Tom should have got the axe for a number of reasons). But once he gave Logan the Judas kiss, it was a wrap. You have to think he's been plotting the whole season, biding his time, but to see him drop the bomb was extremely satisfying. And props to Brian Cox for his portrayal of Logan. The slight smile at the end knowing that, while he's proper fucked, his boy finally became the killer he needed to be was beautiful. S3 is going to be insane.

Shiv really ain't shit. She's a freak, since it's obvious the 3-some was about her and not about Tom, but she ain't shit. She had zero problem with offering Tom up as the sacrifice (and really, he deserves to be fired anyway, but for the purpose of the hearing and shareholder meetings he's not a bog enough fish to fry). Props to Tom for telling her she ain't shit too. The dynamic between them should be interesting next season. Of all the kids, Shiv is probably the most like Logan, but she doesn't quite have the savvy to make the most of her moves. Once she went in to save Tom's ass, she ensured she would never get the chance to run the company.

Connor is such a fuck-up, but great comic relief. How the hell is $100 mil a small hit? Logan took him out quick.

Somehow, Roman comes out looking like the best of the worst here, as he avoided getting killed, did the meeting to get foreign money, and had the balls to tell Logan not to do it. With Gerri on his side he could make a good CEO, and Kendall looked proud of his brother when Logan asked if he could do it. Of course, with Ken blowing everything to hell at the end, who knows how that plays out. Roman is still an psychological mess (obvious mommy issues, sexual hangups, and facing the very real possibility of torture and death will do that to you) but has made intelligent business moves and relationships. He was getting pressed on Gerri but pivoted out of that one nicely, if callously ('Haven't we killed enough women already?' Fantastic line)

Tom still ain't shit either, and I'm in the 'FU Tom' line (mainly because you see those types in business everywhere), but I can't say I'm not feeling a little sorry for him. Business-wise he's been set to take the fall all season. Nobody in the family respects him. His wife definitely doesn't respect him. True, he knew what he was signing up for, and did it in the hopes of money and power, so you get what you get. Still, the scene of Tom and Shiv on the beach was tough. Eating Logan's chicken was hilarious.

declined the threesome.

His bullshit meter probably saved them from certain doom and his Defense of Gerri (great line I agree) even though it started as personal was actually dead on.

Crazy this ep proved to Logan Kendal is a killer but Shiv is not. As shitty as she is she blew any shot she had at taking the reigns to protect Tom

>Crazy this ep proved to Logan Kendal is a killer but Shiv is
>not. As shitty as she is she blew any shot she had at taking
>the reigns to protect Tom

I can't quite put a finger on how Shiv really feels about Tom. Going to save his job shows she feels something for him, even if she's willing to pimp him out, throw him under the bus, cock block him and force him into an open marriage as long as she can benefit professionally and personally. From a business sense there's little reason for her to have married Tom, as the chances of Tom ascending the ranks and becoming a major head of the company and being the ideal power couple is laughable. Not sure if it made sense politically either, as Tom would have been working for the company her political client resents to the upmost. There has to be some shred of feeling there, but her quest for power stomps all over it.

Either have them go through separation or divorce proceedings or seeing them in family counseling would be an amazing thread for S3.

But yeah, Shiv is a shitty person, a pale (in comparison, not skin tone) female version of Logan, but no killer, and not built to run the company in his eyes.

she's a terrible person but she's not completely dead inside. She knows how much Tom loves her and she's operated under the assumption that he will no matter what. She's not only the alpha but she considers him inferior intellectually, and status wise. (basically she can upgrade. he can't) At the same time she genuinely seems to care for him, as much as someone like her can, appreciates how much he has her back. this was the first hint she could actually lose him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvAVqcBGcTs