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|Topic subject||Welp, looks like the UK is heading over that cliff|
13345197, Welp, looks like the UK is heading over that cliff|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 10:57 AM
The no-deal is happening.
"Queen Elizabeth II approved a request by Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Wednesday to shut down Parliament for several weeks ahead of Britain’s upcoming departure from the European Union, a startling maneuver that will rob his opponents of time to thwart a no-deal Brexit."
13345200, major countries are being run by aggresively stupid leaders.|
Posted by Reeq, Wed Aug-28-19 11:05 AM
facebook might be the most destructive invention ever.
none of these people would be in power without massive disinfo campaigns and online radicalization by cambridge analytica, the psy group, fsb, etc.
brexit was the trial run for trump, bolsonaro, etc.
rupert murdoch was a pretty bad invention too (and works hand and glove with the aforementioned forces).
Posted by MEAT, Wed Aug-28-19 11:37 AM
13345215, It’s not FB. It’s ignorance. |
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 11:48 AM
FB was just the tool. Same thing was said about TV. All a sudden you had to look like a president.
There are a lot of ignorant racist ass people in the world. They want to return to glory.
Also a lot of uninformed people who are trolling the establishment by voting for idiots who aren’t “bought and paid for”
Denny was a lot of things but that dude was right about Trump because he watched the Farley dude get elected in Toronto.
13345226, Social media is an ignorance-focusing instrument.|
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Aug-28-19 12:33 PM
People have always been stupid and ignorant of what's going on around them. Even supposedly "smart" people are stupid in their own ways. But when ignorance and misinformation are distributed in a mostly random way, facts might have a means of bubbling up out of the noise.
Social media gives the most satisfying types of misinformation a mechanism to spread, grow, streamline themselves to satisfy the largest possible population. It's like it presents a change in the intellectual climate that makes us more susceptible to the spread of retroviral memes.
13345241, the correlation with the U.S is kind of eerie, tbh|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 12:53 PM
apart from having the same actors (e.g cambridge analytica)
it's also been about the gutting of the news media
i just read this article recently about a study that shows that a county that boycotted an EU-skeptic paper their attitude to toward the EU became more positive.
I think people underestimate just how misinformation does shape attitudes (and misinformation from the various sources including facebook bubbles)
"Sun boycott reduced Euroscepticism on Merseyside, study shows"
if that's paywalled, there is this: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-sun-boycott-helped-to-cut-euroscepticism-in-merseyside-study-suggests/ar-AAGpTtJ
13345259, Boris Johnson started his career writing fraudulent news stories |
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Aug-28-19 01:55 PM
about the EU, making up new regulations out of whole cloth, for newspapers targeted at low-income, older, conservative white people. Then whenever he was called out on the facts he'd say it was jokes or satire. This was after he was fired from the Murdoch-owned Times for making up a quote.
Maybe this is common knowledge, but I only recently learned it, and it seems like it ought to be reported more. A lot of Americans, even relatively well-informed ones, just know him as a British politician with funny hair.
13345263, Here's the whole John Oliver segment on Boris Johnson:|
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Aug-28-19 02:06 PM
Goes into his history, including piping articles, and how/why he makes himself look ridiculous to turn attention away from the insidious/evil shit that he's committed to doing.
13345268, lol.. i know him from getting stuck on the zipline as london mayor|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 02:10 PM
i didn't realize *anyone* takes him seriously at all
now i know him as the guy who refuses to say how many kids he has, lol
13345255, This is true except the part about the alt right troll|
Posted by Lurkmode, Wed Aug-28-19 01:39 PM
>FB was just the tool. Same thing was said about TV. All a
>sudden you had to look like a president.
>There are a lot of ignorant racist ass people in the world.
>They want to return to glory.
>Also a lot of uninformed people who are trolling the
>establishment by voting for idiots who aren’t “bought and
This part is true.
>Denny was a lot of things but that dude was right about Trump
>because he watched the Farley dude get elected in Toronto.
Nah he was wrong about Trump, he didn't win because he ran a campaign like Rob Ford.
13345256, Nah, I think he said some shit like people are more racist |
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 01:48 PM
and ignorant than we want to believe.
Denny said a lot of crazy shit but he was spot on with that prediction. I laughed at him at first but then my wife’s gay white friend in Alabama told her he was voting for the first time for Donald Trump. That shit opened my eyes. I don’t think my wife has talked to him since.
13345279, LOL you giving him too much credit|
Posted by Lurkmode, Wed Aug-28-19 02:42 PM
>and ignorant than we want to believe.
He said Trump wasn't racist he was a blank slate. Yeah he said people were anti-intellectual and Trump would win off that, but he was wrong. Trump won cause Dems didn't turn out in the electoral college states.
>Denny said a lot of crazy shit but he was spot on with that
>prediction. I laughed at him at first but then my wife’s gay
>white friend in Alabama told her he was voting for the first
>time for Donald Trump. That shit opened my eyes. I don’t
>think my wife has talked to him since.
He changed with the wind. Some bad report came out about Trump and he posted yeah he was doing too much and everybody who disagreed with him about Trump was right, then the next week he was back on the Trump train.
13345341, this is like saying 'guns dont kill people. people kill people'.|
Posted by Reeq, Wed Aug-28-19 10:25 PM
hatred, racism, mental illness, ignorance, etc always existed. its a little different when someone is holding a knife vs holding an ar-15 tho isnt it?
why do dictators/authoritarians set up their own sycophantic media/information outlets when people are already ignorant anyway (as you put it)?
fb is a weapon of mass disinformation where anyone anywhere in the world can lead *highly* targeted campaigns of propaganda aimed at anyone anywhere in the world. they can completely shape large segments of public opinion based on alternate/augmented realities.
it allows people to be misled, radicalized, and mobilized by the millions in short amounts of time.
this is why fringe extremism is now mainstreamed to the point that its the basis of major political parties.
this is why cambridge analytica and various black hat intelligence services across the globe are raking in money from their clients for elections in america, europe, canada, africa, south america, etc.
this is why far right leaders/movements around the world continually thank facebook when they win elections and come to power (trump, duterte, bolsonaro, salvini, etc). they dont thank ignorance.
seriously...if you have some time...you should search around and research how much facebook has aided anti-democratic entities, extreme movements, genocidal campaigns, etc. its far too important an issue for you to continue to overlook/dismiss.
heres a light intro/explainer if you wanna give it a quick skim.
check out 'the great hack' on netflix too if you can. i have some other links/suggestions if you want them.
Posted by Selah, Wed Aug-28-19 12:44 PM
>facebook might be the most destructive invention ever.
not chattel slavery
not murder, crime, nor warfare
not weaponized diseases, viruses and whatnot
not child labor
not atomic or nuclear weapons
not addictive food or drugs
facebook (which, for the record I'm no fan of...)
i love this place
>rupert murdoch was a pretty bad invention too (and works hand
>and glove with the aforementioned forces).
13345342, theres always one of you in here. congrats on getting the job.|
Posted by Reeq, Wed Aug-28-19 10:27 PM
13345205, the funniest thing about this...in 3 years the brits haven't come up with..|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 11:18 AM
what they want from all this
all they have done is say "we dont want this"
and provided no solutions, no proposals, nothing
so now its, remove the backstop (which is temporary anyway)
EU says - what do you propose instead
its like watching a country speed up to crash into a car.
i've been following this for months now (my sis is english, lol- plus its been my salve from u.s news, cause i think its even bigger idiocy)
most who voted leave can't even articulate why
someone i know did... and i asked her why (she's kenyan-british... an immigrant!)
and she was like, tbh i dont even know. i called her an idiot, lol
its hilarity. im on a countdown to oct 31st.... well really nov 1st
13345211, On the flip side, I voted remain but|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 11:41 AM
only for vague reasons like it's better to be in than out, travel across Europe is easier, etc.
Economically and socially? I couldn't say.
Folks who voted leave had some serious concerns about immigration, European bureaucracy, tariffs, etc.
Bottom line for me though is that I don't think Brits consider themselves European and a lot follows from that.
13345217, i find this interesting...|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 11:51 AM
>Folks who voted leave had some serious concerns about
>immigration, European bureaucracy, tariffs, etc.
austerity measures from the tories...
i think the bulk of the vote leave thing was immigration (even my friend said this and i was like but how? and you are an immigrant?)
the correlation to the U.S is "they are taking our jobs"
basically blaming the results of austerity on the EU (in my opinion)
also.. apparently the U.K could've restricted immigration, no?
EU bureaucracy- this i find interesting. i'd like to hear some examples of this
so far i haven't heard anything that makes sense.
tariffs - i guess zero tariffs is the goal now? WTO rules are brutal.
giving up all those trade agreements?
its why im on a wait-and-see what happens nov 1st. when the # of FTAs will essentially be zero.
13345220, RE: i find this interesting...|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 11:58 AM
>>Folks who voted leave had some serious concerns about
>>immigration, European bureaucracy, tariffs, etc.
>austerity measures from the tories...
>i think the bulk of the vote leave thing was immigration (even
>my friend said this and i was like but how? and you are an
>the correlation to the U.S is "they are taking our jobs"
>basically blaming the results of austerity on the EU (in my
>also.. apparently the U.K could've restricted immigration,
Immigration was the headline grabber but my gut feeling (not based on any facts) is that people were just generally unhappy with the EU.
>EU bureaucracy- this i find interesting. i'd like to hear some
>examples of this
>so far i haven't heard anything that makes sense.
People have never been happy about the European gravy train and also rules and laws set by unelected people that affect the UK.
>tariffs - i guess zero tariffs is the goal now? WTO rules are
>giving up all those trade agreements?
>its why im on a wait-and-see what happens nov 1st. when the #
>of FTAs will essentially be zero.
My mistake, I meant quotas, not tariffs. Fishing, farming, etc. quotas.
13345239, this is a bit too general|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 12:47 PM
>People have never been happy about the European gravy train
>and also rules and laws set by unelected people that affect
and it's literally what i've been hearing whenever i listen to U.K radio
which is why i'm asking for specifics.
13345244, RE: this is a bit too general|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 12:59 PM
>>People have never been happy about the European gravy train
>>and also rules and laws set by unelected people that affect
>and it's literally what i've been hearing whenever i listen to
>which is why i'm asking for specifics.
Can't help you there unfortunately. I've been pretty passive and not engaged in the whole thing.
13345257, and this is exactly what’s happening in the US. |
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 01:53 PM
The average voter isn’t engaged...
13345260, I'm not sure how I can get back to being engaged in politics|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 01:58 PM
I think politicians bullshit and lie and I don't trust the media.
I read The Economist to keep up to date but daily news and agendas I can't do anymore.
13345264, I’m exhausted. |
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 02:06 PM
This fool and the news have me turned off.
13345270, RE: I’m exhausted. |
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 02:12 PM
13345283, I assume he's talking about THE fool.|
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Aug-28-19 02:52 PM
The universal fool who needs not even be named, in America at least.
The sum total of American nihilistic greed, gluttony, rage, fecklessness, envy, and sloth, embodied in an orange carcass in an ill-fitting suit, with a tie adjusted to make his dick seem longer, who says "believe me" after 2% of his most obvious lies and it still seems like a lot.
(Not meaning to speak for legs, of course. This is just what I took him to be referring to.)
13345285, How the fuck do these idiots get voted in though?|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 02:58 PM
Even just a few years ago if someone had told me Trump and Johnson would be heads of their countries I would have laughed.
I guess the laugh is on me.
13345291, Nah...the orange guy|
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 03:15 PM
13345210, fuck the Lib Dems for selling everyone out.|
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Aug-28-19 11:40 AM
they basically a squad of British Joe Manchins... could have blocked ol' Whirlpool Head ass Boris on out, but NOPE
13345213, The Lib Dems are pathetic|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 11:42 AM
Man, they could have done so much when they power shared...
13345262, And what the fuck has happened to Labour?|
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Aug-28-19 02:03 PM
It seems like the Tories have been falling on their asses for a decade now and Labour has gotten nothing out of it.
13345269, i compare them to the democrats here, tbh.|
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 02:11 PM
completely worthless when push comes to shove
i remember when they were all "ooooooooh corbyn!"
13345273, Corbyn and Labour's stance on Brexit is plain odd|
Posted by Vector, Wed Aug-28-19 02:17 PM
It's no wonder I'm disengaged with politics with that lot as the so called opposition.
13345216, Anyone watch Years and Years? |
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Aug-28-19 11:49 AM
I swear they are warning us of what’s to come.
Posted by luminous, Wed Aug-28-19 12:55 PM
looks like we are heading that way?
Posted by squeeg, Thu Aug-29-19 07:29 AM
It's basically a more realistic "Black Mirror," which makes it scarier. I dug it, but the ending felt tacked-on and sudden.
gamblers and masturbators.
Return To Zero: A rap radio show hosted by mrhood75 (Spider Jerusalem) and me (UrkelMoeDee)
13345356, They had all these great ideas and then it got a cheesy ending. |
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Aug-29-19 07:36 AM
13345506, I only got one more email account to use & get free HBO trial|
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Aug-29-19 04:10 PM
Thanks for reminding me that the season ended, I'll register for another 7 day trial now to finish it up
13345265, anyway...when the £ reaches parity with the $... |
Posted by akon, Wed Aug-28-19 02:08 PM
mos def planning a trip to london/ UK
its been ages since i've been - i was actually trying to remember when was the last time i was there
i used to stop-over whenever i was headed to kenya
all that to say - i really wonder what the economic impact of #brexit will be
the predictions are all dire - and i wonder if at all it can be managed
i'm also looking forward to seeing how the relationship with the EU will be after leaving without a deal
i think most people are assuming that no deal means that's the end of it
even the withdrawal agreement was just the *start* of negotiating the future relationship
and if bojo goes through with *not* paying the £39b - or however much it is now- that's going to be incredibly difficult
oh well. WTO terms!
Posted by Musa, Thu Aug-29-19 07:47 PM
13345893, Same way the idiots voted brexit to precede idiots voting trump|
Posted by Riot, Sun Sep-01-19 07:46 PM
UK learning nothing and doubling down on the stupidity is a bad omen for US 2020 election
13345922, lol... and speeding up. |
Posted by akon, Mon Sep-02-19 12:06 PM
this shit is crazy.
it really makes no sense at all
i hadn't realized just how atrocious U.K politics is.
13345942, The dollar is strong AF and gaining on the pound is all I know |
Posted by Atillah Moor, Mon Sep-02-19 04:19 PM
My only hope is they work out something for Ireland
13346022, what happens now that bojo has lost his parliamentary majority?|
Posted by akon, Tue Sep-03-19 10:41 AM
13346125, the PMQs are hilarious.|
Posted by akon, Wed Sep-04-19 06:18 AM
i wish there was something similar in the U.S.
13348870, i have to say UK politics is riveting!|
Posted by akon, Tue Sep-24-19 08:24 AM
every day brings something new.
while clock is ticking.
its kind of amazing to watch from this side of things
(and as diversion from the U.S car crash)