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Topic subjectLol, thx. And I hear ya. Just one point re: where we disagree
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13361819, Lol, thx. And I hear ya. Just one point re: where we disagree
Posted by kfine, Fri Jan-10-20 06:13 PM
I think I see Warren as the better executor because she's been a bit more transparent and gone into greater detail about her financing (while Bernie's posture was: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/sanders-no-exact-plan-medicare-for-all/index.html), and her pledge not to raise taxes on lower and middle income folks is huge. In terms of preferring Warren's legislative strategy, for example with respect to single-payer healthcare transition, she's proposed breaking the effort up into smaller legislations that have a chance at passing under budget reconciliation rules(https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/15/20966674/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-plan-public-option) and/or, if necessary, voting to eliminate the filibuster. In contrast, Bernie has proposed essentially weaponizing the VP to overide a Senate parliamentarian's inevitable disqualification of huge legislation like single payer on the basis of failing to meet deficit-control requirements ... a tactic so autocratic even 45/Mcconnell chose not to engage in it (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/sanders-rules-healthcare-1267463).

Warren runs left of me in some areas, but I would still classify her as (just barely, like super small c lol) center-left and one reason I like her approach to the progressive agenda is that she's more pragmatic, while Bernie often asks people to be more imaginative in response to policy critiques. In my view, the overhauls they are proposing are massive and if a leader's agenda is so expensive that it'll blow up the deficit and drive inflationary pressures in the economy, then the idea of less earnings to deal with that inflation is *extremely* unappealing. And tbh it is lower and middle-income people who would suffer due to rising inflation the most. It's one of the reasons I like Pete's proposals better than Dem competitors to his left or further center: he goes as progressive as fiscally possible while meeting statutory PAYGO requirements (lol), not raising lower and middle income taxes, but striving for the same social democratic aims.

So ya. I know I'm one of the more vocal Bernie critics around here (lol), but even though Warren's domestic agenda is similar to Bernie's in scale and scope the tactics she proposes just sound like better implementation to me. I respect her efforts to try translating it all into a more fiscally responsible endeavor (even if I have my doubts about how reliable some of her revenue streams could be in the long run).




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>>I also happen to think Warren's demonstrated repeatedly that
>>she'd in fact be the most *competent* executor of the
>>progressive agenda - fiscally, financially, and
>legislatively
>>- but that could be a whole other reply and is a somewhat
>>subjective assessment.
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>Not sure I agree with that. When it comes to financial
>justice (breaking up the big banks and holding white-collar
>criminals accountable) - I don't think there's a stronger
>candidate than Warren. When it comes economic justice,
>foreign policy, and seeding executive agencies with
>progressives - I think Bernie's actual cabinet and coalition
>would be prepared to effectuate more change than Warren's,
>which would likely be far more conventional and centrist.
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