Let’s talk about it.

Pretend like you down so you can make money off a movement.

https://uproxx.com/music/nessa-criticized-jay-z-nfl-deal-colin-kaepernick-comments/

As an NFL fan tho, I’m not sure where I stand on this. Kap took the settlement money which is kind of... ionno if settling is the right word but he let them off the hook.

Jay talking out of both sides. He prolly just needs to chill on the Kap talk and just show his work with he community based off his deal. If it’s strictly about lining his pockets (I know, I n ow) then it s bullshit for him to try and act like he is still down for the cause.

This some “I could never play that part” Hollywood Shuffle move.

>As an NFL fan tho, I’m not sure where I stand on this. Kap
>took the settlement money which is kind of... ionno if
>settling is the right word but he let them off the hook.

That does open the door to Kap criticism, I'm surprised nobody said anything.

>Jay talking out of both sides. He prolly just needs to chill
>on the Kap talk and just show his work with he community based
>off his deal. If it’s strictly about lining his pockets (I
>know, I n ow) then it s bullshit for him to try and act like
>he is still down for the cause.
>

Classic Jay gotta get paid.


>This some “I could never play that part” Hollywood Shuffle
>move.
>

Exactly

but let’s be real.

Most of us working for the man and ain’t willing to risk it all. Only time I quit a job on principle was when I didn’t really need it.

I can understand why those with a family and things like that, will not take a risk, but the level Kap is on with the Nike deal, taking the money is not helping the movement.

>>As an NFL fan tho, I’m not sure where I stand on this.
>Kap
>>took the settlement money which is kind of... ionno if
>>settling is the right word but he let them off the hook.
>
>That does open the door to Kap criticism, I'm surprised nobody
>said anything.

He wasn't suing the league for its tone deafness on social justice. He sued because they kept him out of work.

Make money and potentially have at least some impact on important causes.

But apparently he lied about talking to Kaep before signing this deal, which Nessa shot down with the quickness calling him out for his bullshit. THAT pisses me off. You want to capitalize on an opportunity that Kaep more or less paved the way for, go for it. But don't lie about having talked to the man.

as if kneeling wasn't an action. guess if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.

I’ll wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM7HGzObXwY

nobody's saying that the deal shouldn't have been done. we know...its business. but gentrifying the block isn't necessarily better because the gentrifyer is black.

>nobody's saying that the deal shouldn't have been done. we
>know...its business. but gentrifying the block isn't
>necessarily better because the gentrifyer is black.

SPEAK.

if we weren't (aren't) seated at the table.

If it was someone else who wasn’t out here campaigning against doing the SB halftime show I would give him more rope.


If he reached out to Kap and got his blessing I would be on his side.

Jay out here looking like a gotdamn sellout right now.

I say that as someone who never supported the boycott of the NFL.

Don’t use Kaps name and movement and then turn around and shit on it.

We past kneeling? They prolly put that on the memo line of his check.

we’re ok with what he’s done for meek tho, right?

This just ain’t one of them times


He wore Kaps jersey and bragged about not playing the SB due to the movement, pressured other performers to refuse to do it..

and then...

SOLD!!!!!

It just begun lol
at least wait and see what’s done before passing judgment...

This isn’t crab shit. It’s calling it like it is.

it’s an opinion piece. no facts
I just hate we won’t even give it a shot.

like, are we some hopeless that we believe no of us can’t bring about change?

NO ONE has a bigger platform

shit. I might start watching football again just so I can see what happens.
and what if it does...oh shit!

a nigga can hope...

its a fact that Jay didn’t reach out to Kap even tho he said he did

What will watching the NFL again do for Jay and social justice?

This whole “now I can watch again cause Jay” is hilarious. It shouldn’t be this easy to get Black folk to buy in.

or y’all

let’s analyze the part about being done kneeling and what it means to you. For me, I’m thinking what comes after you’ve kneeled. long term.

Kap got kicked
why niggas still balling - if it’s like that?

so yeah.

what’s next?
and /or who’s stepping up to do it?

never mind all the he said, she said...

oh...
social injustice, what does that mean?

Mandating standing for the flag is counter to what the flag means
Nothing needs to come after
That was the initial point. Cops were/and still are ... killing black people without repercussions in the name of the state. Kaep then turned around and chose not to honor the symbol of the state.

if that’s the case, why even protest?

It was never about boycotting or refusing the play.

He started a convo about police brutality and then everyone picked sides and some people got paid hush money.

But what comes after kneeling?

Concerts and half time shows... Really?

Cap signed a settlement agreement with the NFL.

I would imagine that Kaep's Settlement Agreement with the NFL included non-disparagement & confidentiality provisions, as well as an agreement to end his individual protest. I hope he got some assurances that the NFL will "do better" and support social justice causes but I doubt that would be in the settlement agreement.


At any rate the media has already confirmed that the settlement agreement does have confidentialty provisions which would explain why really none of the parties are talking about it.


All that to say, Kaep is LIKELY contractually bound in his settlement agreement with the NFL to not discuss the protest with Jay-Z (or support an ongoing protest).

That would explain why its Kaps girl discussing it in the media and not him.

If what I say turns out to be true, I think it's funny that people are side-eyeing Jay-z for taking NFL money to help the NFL turn a corner on the protest when kap likely did the same thing.

I say this as a fan of both guys for taking NFL money and using it for social justice causes.







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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

on here and in my social circles.

I don’t even think Kaep ever supported or asked for a boycott of the NFL. That was started by lame folks who didn’t really watch to begin with and then half the people who jumped on board were still watching in secrecy.

On some “it was on when I was at the gym or “I was at a friends house and it happened to be on..” on a Sunday, with wings and chips and other friends in NFL gear.

Fucking lying ass liars.

of course, having a job would be great, but will still be taking their money.

I guess it can be viewed as buying his silence since he's not playing. from what I remember, he said he wouldn't be kneeling anyway. this was prior to lawsuit....I think.

and who knows how ugly the evidence may have been. May have really damaged the NFL’s rep and pockets.

By taking the settlement it took them off the hook.

It’s just not in your face
Same way people boycott Wal-mart, Amazon
The states of Florida, NC, and MO
There’s a grip of folks still out here not messing with the NFL

Will it make a dent? Has it? Little to none
But that’s not always going to be the case

who weren’t already watching.

Daps to anyone standing their ground and not watching a sport they enjoy but sorry... I truly don’t believe it’s that real.

Y’all non watching niggas wasn’t watching

if you say there is a boycott and the NFL is still king I don’t think that boycott had an impact.

If you define it by impact then that movement has largely failed.
And then bundled with that point. How do you feel knowing that the Montgomery Bus Boycott lasted just over a year and that was a bus service and not a seasonal multi billion dollar organization with global impact.
Then taking those three things into consideration are you willing to expand your definition of a boycott or are your own standards a dogma?

Some people try to watch every game they can.

Some people only watch their favorite team’s games.

Some people only watch high profile games (particularly post season)

Some people only watch the Super Bowl.

Some people don’t watch at all.

Hilarious to me that you think the boycotters are only from the last category.

I went from being a casual observer of a handful of high profile games a year to watching nothing at all, between Kaep and all the concussion tomfoolery (everyone pretty much knew there was some long term damage from playing, but the NFL was goofy enough to try to hide it, when there was solid evidence establishing it, allegedly; with enough smoke for me to believe there was fire, anyway).

I don’t really miss it. Basketball was my main sport anyway.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>on here and in my social circles.
>
>I don’t even think Kaep ever supported or asked for a
>boycott of the NFL. That was started by lame folks who
>didn’t really watch to begin with and then half the people
>who jumped on board were still watching in secrecy.
>
>On some “it was on when I was at the gym or “I was at a
>friends house and it happened to be on..” on a Sunday, with
>wings and chips and other friends in NFL gear.
>
>Fucking lying ass liars.

He had nothing to do with whatever Jay and the NFL decided to do

That's my issue, now

I didn't see it at first...but I get it now

Kap was using his platform

...it wasn't about the NFL per se...

The Players Coalition formed in the aftermath, they got checks for addressing social justice in the name of the NFL

Because of Kap's sacrifice.

Kap shoulda been the point person on alladis

Same way folks looked side eyed at the players coalition

Same side eye for Jay

They ALL should have been supporting Kap...and making him the figure head

Instead...MFers leap frogged right over homie to get a bag

...AND KAP STILL AIN'T GOT A JOB...

JAY LOST.

https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/1159148971106942981

I think the question should be...how much criminal justice can be reformed by halftime acts...?

"The deal calls for Roc Nation, which will also reach out to artists who are not attached to the company, to quarterback the creation and distribution of music content across multiple music and streaming services, as well as consult and collaborate on the production, promotion and marketing of live music events. A Pro Bowl community concert, original music, artists podcasts and a live visual album may be produced under the new banner. The agreement does not call for Carter to perform at the Super Bowl."

Other than Jay being a black man...how does this connect to Kap and his cause...?

The first part of the change is allowing outsiders to have input. We didn’t before.
change doesn’t happen overnight.
allow room for it to grow...

“the NFL announced that it would give Roc Nation, the music mogul’s entertainment company, significant power in choosing the performers for the league’s signature events—including the coveted Super Bowl halftime show. Jay-Z and Roc Nation will also help augment the NFL’s social-justice initiatives by developing content and spaces where players can speak about the issues that concern them.“

i.e. if you can get the players to stop in game demonstrations...we’ll let you pick the halftime acts.

5 days a week, up at 5am, year round, for the last 3 years

he stays ready.

he wants to play. period

d

🙄

I LOL’d when I read that he basically said “what’s more important? Helping millions or Colin not having a job?”

As if they have to be mutually exclusive.

Just say you wanted some more money for the kids’ trust funds and call it a day, because you can’t have not done the Super Bowl in support of Colin and then turn around and try to justify it the way he’s trying to do.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/jay-z-helps-nfl-banish-colin-kaepernick/596146/

Yesterday the hip-hop mogul Jay-Z and National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell held a joint media session at the Roc Nation offices in New York to seal a once-implausible partnership that isn’t being received as positively as both parties probably hoped.

I assume neither Goodell nor Jay-Z expected to be on the defensive once the NFL announced that it would give Roc Nation, the music mogul’s entertainment company, significant power in choosing the performers for the league’s signature events—including the coveted Super Bowl halftime show. Jay-Z and Roc Nation will also help augment the NFL’s social-justice initiatives by developing content and spaces where players can speak about the issues that concern them.

This wasn’t just another routine example of Jay-Z living out a lyric he’d rapped nearly 15 years ago—“I’m not a businessman. I’m a business, man!” Instead, the rapper faced questions yesterday about why he chose to collaborate with the same league that he’d publicly criticized for its treatment of Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback who hasn’t had an NFL job since taking a knee during the national anthem three years ago to protest police brutality and racial injustice. This is the same Jay-Z who showed support for Kaepernick by wearing his jersey on Saturday Night Live. On his megahit song “Apeshit,” Jay-Z rapped this lyric: “Once I said no to the Super Bowl. You need me, I don’t need you. Every night we in the end zone. Tell the NFL we in stadiums too.”

Now he’s in business with the league.

Kaepernick’s girlfriend, Nessa Diab, wrote on Twitter that Kaepernick didn’t speak with Jay-Z before he brokered his deal with the NFL. Jay-Z said yesterday that he spoke to Kaepernick on Monday, but he wouldn’t divulge how their conversation went.

Jemele Hill: Kaepernick won. The NFL lost.

A source close to Kaepernick, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, told me, “It was not a good conversation.”

But it was all smiles yesterday between Jay-Z and Goodell.

“We don’t want people to come in and necessarily agree with us; we want people to come in and tell us what we can do better,” Goodell said at the press conference. “I think that’s a core element of our relationship between the two organizations, and with Jay and I personally.”

The financial arrangements have not been made public. But whatever the numbers, the NFL’s new partnership with Jay-Z is a huge win for the league. Some of the biggest celebrities in the world have voiced their support of Kaepernick, saying they would boycott the NFL until Kaepernick is back in the league.

Now that the NFL has Jay-Z’s blessing, it’s conceivable that some of those entertainers who distanced themselves from the NFL might change their mind. Jay-Z has given the NFL exactly what it wanted: guilt-free access to black audiences, culture, entertainers, and influencers.

NFL officials must have been bothered by how much Kaepernick was discussed during Super Bowl week earlier this year. Not only did Goodell have to answer more questions about why Kaepernick still isn’t receiving any interest from NFL teams, but there had also been a number of reports that the league was having a hard time finding performers for its halftime show. Some stars, including Rihanna and Cardi B, reportedly turned down the opportunity to appear at the event show out of allegiance to Kaepernick. Other celebrities, such as the comedian Amy Schumer, publicly pressured the Maroon 5 singer Adam Levine to pull out of his performance. The Reverend Al Sharpton, the civil-rights leader, blasted the rapper Travis Scott, who performed with Levine. “You can’t fight against Jim Crow and then go sit in the back of the bus,” Sharpton told TMZ.

Ironically, one of the people who also advised Scott not to perform at the Super Bowl was Jay-Z. Yesterday the Roc Nation founder said he’d told Scott he shouldn’t perform at the Super Bowl because he would be playing “second fiddle” to Maroon 5. It had nothing to do with Kaepernick.

Clearly Jay-Z’s support of Kaepernick only went so far. Regardless, why would Jay-Z waste any of his enormous social and cultural capital on the NFL when he doesn’t need the league’s platform, money, resources, or validation?

I get that Jay-Z might see this as an opportunity for artists to connect with the NFL’s immense audience. He could also offer some incredible insight and direction to the league on the social-justice front, since he’s been actively engaged in such work for a long time. I also understand that, to become hip-hop’s first billionaire, Jay-Z didn’t always have the luxury of avoiding relationships and partnerships with people he disagreed with or disliked.

But in this case, Jay-Z isn’t getting enough out of the deal to justify the sacrifice of some of his credibility. This alliance plays right into the NFL’s hands, because the league seems determined to banish any memory of Kaepernick with its recent social-justice efforts—even though it’s likely that Jay-Z and the NFL wouldn’t even be entering into this arrangement if Kaepernick hadn’t taken a knee in 2016.

It’s easy to see why Kaepernick would be upset now. The partnership with Jay-Z is part of the NFL’s larger strategy to continue to absolve itself of what happened to the quarterback and throw enough money at social-justice causes so that the players will no longer feel the need to protest—or, at the very least, keep their opinions about racial injustice far away from the football field. Last year The New York Times obtained audio of the three-hour meeting that took place among owners, players, and executives in October 2017, during the pinnacle of the protest drama. The late Houston Texans owner Bob McNair told the players who were present at the meeting, “You fellas need to ask your compadres, ‘Fellas, stop that other business. Let’s go out and do something that really produces positive results, and we’ll help you.’”

By leaving Kaepernick completely out of the mix, Jay-Z is now complicit in helping the NFL execute its strategy. Now he is an accomplice in the league’s hypocrisy.

“I think that we forget that Colin’s whole thing was to bring attention to social injustice, correct?” Jay-Z said during the press conference. “So, in that case, this is a success; this is the next thing. ’Cause there’s two parts of protesting. You go outside and you protest, and then the company or the individual says, ‘I hear you. What do we do next?’ So, for me, it was like, action, actionable item, what are we going to do with it? Everyone heard and we hear what you’re saying, and everybody knows I agree with what you’re saying. So what are we going to do? So we should, millions of millions of people, and all we get stuck on Colin not having a job. I think we’re past kneeling. I think it’s time for action.”

It doesn’t matter whom the NFL partners with, or how much money it pours into social-justice causes. The league’s actions come off as disingenuous because Kaepernick remains unemployed as a result of a peaceful protest. How can the NFL be taken seriously as a social-justice champion when it blackballed a player who stood up for equality?

I don’t question Jay-Z’s commitment to social justice or his desire to empower African Americans. He has consistently used his platform to have critical conversations and bring awareness to the inequalities and injustices that black people regularly face. Jay-Z brilliantly put into perspective how the war on drugs disproportionately hurt blacks and Latinos. He executive-produced a riveting six-part documentary series on the slain teen Trayvon Martin that aired on BET last summer. He also produced a miniseries on Kalief Browder, who was falsely imprisoned at New York’s Rikers Island for three years, starting when he was 16 years old, for allegedly stealing a backpack. Browder died by suicide a year after he was released. Jay-Z’s foundation has funded countless initiatives related to education and professional development. He has also donated millions to so many causes that he is one of the most important humanitarians in the world.

I don’t believe Jay-Z is a sellout, because his track record proves otherwise. But it does seem like he’s being used as cover. Or, at best, a buffer. The league can point to its partnership with Jay-Z whenever anyone brings up the fact that several of its owners are Trump supporters. As Kaepernick’s best friend, the Carolina Panthers safety Eric Reid, pointed out on Twitter, the announcement of this partnership helped move the news cycle past last week’s controversy involving the Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross.

The Miami wide receiver Kenny Stills criticized Ross for holding a fundraiser for Trump last week. Stills, who continued to kneel during the national anthem last season, called out Ross for hypocrisy. The Dolphins owner also serves as a co-founder of RISE (the Ross Initiative for Sports and Equality), whose mission is to create leadership programs and workshops to address racism, inequality, and prejudice—which Trump keeps making worse. As evidenced by Ross and the New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, NFL owners are quite comfortable playing Robin Hood in one world and Gordon Gekko in another.

Fortunately for Ross and other owners, Jay-Z gave the NFL what it wanted—a blank slate. Jay-Z is an iconic figure, and it would be a shame if this partnership changed how people think of him. But I have also learned this about the NFL: Football is the NFL’s primary business, but chess is the game it plays best.

i think she has very strong doubts. i believe those doubts are valid, but right today she dont know. motives are easy to question. that these articles are popping up so quickly in this news cycle lends a little credence to those who may question the motives of even the author (notwithstanding -as with jay- specific examples of "the cause" in their background).

"benefit of the doubt" is so commonly used that sometimes i forget its important. if theres anyone we can give that to, based on his history, its jay. marcy projects, street nigga with street nigga associates (still). billionaire. we know he aint grow up dumb.

didnt agree with every clip i saw of him speaking, and yea money is definitely a big part of it, but i gotta (see:want) believe he has put some thought into this.

This is streaming content, concerts, live performances, etc.

should have cut a deal ?

Jay Z is not going to change anything, he is reinforcing the NFL.

Kap is not playing and they are messing with Eric Reid.

Tommie Smith...we’re going to bring in Sammy Davis Jr to work on the issues you raised...and we’re still keeping your medals.

n/m

I'm mad people's conditioning is STILL conditioned...even in the Trump era. summa yall need to wake the fuck up

Jay fell for the okie doke.

d

towards these social justice efforts and where will the money and up


Until I know that I'm going to hold off on an opinion

And much less than the tax breaks the billionaires are getting personally.
You can't be the solution to gross inequality when you're one of the root causes of it.

and how Roc Nation plans on using that money towards their social justice efforts

I don't know what the metric would be to consider this a success/win overall

How many Black People would need to be helped via the funds from this deal to be considered "worth it"

and the whole Atlantic Yards project. He made a significant amount of money being the buffer to the Black community for White folks in a incredible crappy deal that led to widespread displacement and gentrification in multiple Black neighborhoods. B R O O K L Y N !!! *throws up Dynasty sign* To him, if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.

https://allhiphop.com/news/big-pimpin-will-jay-z-shill-for-atlantic-yards-project-uVJ6380u80WVoQlfRo32Ug/

https://indypendent.org/2017/09/marchers-in-brooklyn-map-the-boroughs-crooked-geography-of-gentrification/

https://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2012/09/jay-z-civic-minded-hip-hop-mogul-or.html

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

http://www.centernyc.org/the-pace-and-face-of-gentrification

Barclays Center (Atlantic Yards/Pacific Park) and the BAM Entertainment District combined with other factors has led to the increase in White residents, significant decrease in Black residents and the increase of taxes and rents. It was all by design.


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https://www.villagevoice.com/2012/10/08/point-jay-z-sold-out-brooklyn/

He and a bunch of people were trying to making Travis look like a traitor for being involved with the Super Bowl

It’s a free gig for crazy exposure.

This is probably the real reason why Jay turned them down last year.

the NFL agreed to take any steps to address social justice issues.

I just hope out of all of this the NFL ponies up some real money to causes near and dear to players hearts.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They are clear as day on how they feel in Kap's camp.

any other big brand in america, yet he chose to link with the NFL. seems kind of opportunistic to me. Russell Simmons taught him well.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

suckas.

The NFL and owners are no dummies.

This is why they pay Roger the big bucks!

i think this whole thing is such a dumb issue.

more black folk should stop romanticizing and deploying aspects of the civil rights movement in present moments that might require more than a 1965 strategy. take all the good and create. adapt. some have.

what is NOT romanticized nearly enough about the civil rights movement?

1. leadership that doesn't parrot a male-centric, patriarchal, value and vision.

2. voting. citizen based political participation, that's not *only* focused on activism, heroism, sacrifice, and protest.

i wish black folk would exercise. all. of. their. political. power. kaepernick may not have a contract but he has a vote. i don't know if he knows how to make it count (or jay-z, for that matter).

one of the saddest things i come across as i research my family genealogy is finding *legal* city, state, and federal documents that CONTROL the political power of black people without black people ever fully being able to make the argument against said political maneuvering on *legal* grounds. it’s an imbalance of power, and it still happens today--our political power is controlled in ways that are legally etched in writing that we don’t think about and aren’t aware of.

money isn't the only game in town. the lie is that it is, and it’s a lie that people defend. it's a lie sold by people who KNOW that where political power flows, money *follows.*

i don't particularly care what artists jay-z promotes as a result of this deal or what social justice initiatives he takes on or how he'll be the first to x, y, or z.

if the nfl’s and jay-z’s resources are used to effectively hoist mitch mcconnel out of his seat and put a dent in the rot of republican power strangling the country, so that the likes of it are likely to never happen again?

then that's when this doesn't become a dumb issue to me.

lol

on the situation.

Thank you for sharing

“if the nfl’s and jay-z’s resources are used to effectively hoist mitch mcconnel out of his seat and put a dent in the rot of republican power strangling the country, so that the likes of it are likely to never happen again?”

What a sellout

Jay-Z Reportedly to Get Majority Ownership in NFL Team


https://www.theroot.com/jay-z-reportedly-to-get-majority-ownership-in-nfl-team-1837328603


With at least half of his 30 pieces of silver, Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter will soon acquire a “significant ownership interest” in an NFL team, reports TMZ, making him the first black person to be an owner in the league’s history. The team itself was not disclosed, but a source told the site that the deal is imminent and that Carter “wants to continue to be a change agent for the NFL”—the old, change the system from within, while of course profiting, which rarely works out because, by the time you look up, you’re Robert Johnson.

As reported on Wednesday by The Root, Jay-Z recently announced a deal with the NFL through his Roc Nation company, to advise the embattled league on entertainment and the Super Bowl, and something fuzzy about social justice.

During said presser, Jay did not do well when repeatedly asked about former NFL player Colin Kaepernick, who has been effectively blackballed from the league for kneeling for black lives during the 2017 NFL season. He defensively responded to questions about Kaepernick with statements such as: “I think we’re past kneeling...I think it’s time for action.”

Jay previously owned a share of the NBA’s Brooklyn Nets, in which he purchased a $1 million stake in 2004, but even that deal was controversial in that many believe it sped up the hyper-gentrification tearing up his beloved, native Brooklyn.


Jay has long been in the sports realm, and founded Roc Nation Sports management in 2013, which has signed players such as MLB’s Robinson Cano, the NBA’s Kyrie Irving, and the NFL’s Dez Bryant and Saquon Barkley. TMZ reports that because Jay is not “an NFL agent and does not take part in the operations of the NFL players in Roc Nation,” his interest in Roc Nation Sports would not preclude him from owning a team.

Oh, and back to Kaepernick (because until he’s signed, it’s ALWAYS going to come back to that); Jay said during the Wednesday press conference that he spoke to Kap, but Kaepernick’s longtime girlfriend Nessa Diab contradicted that. Kaepernick himself did not comment directly on the deal but tweeted that that very day marked the three year anniversary of the first time he took a stand (in this case, a seat) against “systemic oppression.”



Kaepernick’s best friend Eric Reid, who also partook in protests, did speak out though; when asked on Friday night about Jay owning a team, Reid, who donned an #ImWithKap jersey, called Jay’s move “despicable.”



“Jay-Z claimed to be a supporter of Colin, he wore his Jersey, he told people not to perform at the Super Bowl because of the treatment the NFL did to Colin, and now he’s going to be a part-owner,” said Reid, smiling and shaking his head. “He’s sounding despicable.”

I mean, Jay did once say he was a “Black Republican”—he should fit right in with his new homies, then.

There's literally NO details in the original report. And he can't afford to be majority owner of ANY sports team.
He couldn't buy a NBA team. NFL teams are worth WAY more.

Because roc nation was representing players

They forced him to sell some of his stake

1, majority ownership in the NFL is Billions of dollars

Is he gonna divest from roc nation to put all of his chips into a dwindling NFL...?

= BULLSHIT.

2, because of the vitriolic responses to Kap, I assume only a handful of franchises would see a black gangster rapper as a viable owner

= who's selling in the NE or SoCal?

>Because roc nation was representing players
>
>They forced him to sell some of his stake
>
>1, majority ownership in the NFL is Billions of dollars
>

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/jay-z-to-acquire-ownership-stake-in-nfl-team-report-1203305279/

Jay previously owned a share of the NBA’s Brooklyn Nets, in which he purchased a $1 million stake in 2004. He sold his share nine years later for $2.35 million because it conflicted with his Roc Nation Sports management division. Asked about such a conflict with the NFL, sources told TMZ, “Jay is not an NFL agent and does not take part in the operations of the NFL players in Roc Nation.”

>Is he gonna divest from roc nation to put all of his chips
>into a dwindling NFL...?
>
>= BULLSHIT.
>
>2, because of the vitriolic responses to Kap, I assume only a
>handful of franchises would see a black gangster rapper as a
>viable owner
>

Black gangster rapper ? Like Ice Cube

https://images.app.goo.gl/nbrwLxnWq59D6YTc9

We're believing...an NFL that has audio of owners requesting the league put an end to kneeling

Is going to welcome a black owner?

Outside of NYC and SoCal...he will be portrayed as a gangster rapper in the same markets that pushed back against Kap

...and I'm sure they will quote lyrics as evidence of what a menace Jay is...

You really buying this?

Also, IRT dwindling NFL, the franchis values ballooned in the early 2000s

That was the time to buy

Buying now, when the valuations seem to be close to, if not already maxed out

...and these franchise purchases always are for more than the current value = you have to overpay to own

That's not good business...man.

>https://images.app.goo.gl/nbrwLxnWq59D6YTc9
>
>We're believing...an NFL that has audio of owners requesting
>the league put an end to kneeling
>
>Is going to welcome a black owner?


Who said anything about welcome. The NFL is co-opting kneeling by using Jay Z.

>Outside of NYC and SoCal...he will be portrayed as a gangster
>rapper in the same markets that pushed back against Kap
>

They don't have to use "gangster rapper" Black is enough if they want to push back.

>...and I'm sure they will quote lyrics as evidence of what a
>menace Jay is...
>
>You really buying this?
>

Buying what, that you are making it more complex than it is, if they are against Jay Z it will never make it to the markets level.

>Also, IRT dwindling NFL, the franchis values ballooned in the
>early 2000s
>
>That was the time to buy
>
>Buying now, when the valuations seem to be close to, if not
>already maxed out
>
>...and these franchise purchases always are for more than the
>current value = you have to overpay to own
>
>That's not good business...man.

T.V. contracts have gone up and they still got cities building stadiums to get teams to come there. Nah it's not dwindling.

The NFL isn’t shrinking.

>There's literally NO details in the original report. And he
>can't afford to be majority owner of ANY sports team.
>He couldn't buy a NBA team. NFL teams are worth WAY more.
>

Maybe "significant ownership interest"

Jay z is rich. But not buy half a team rich

n/m

______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that he was required to sell in order to buy the Panthers. Jay will have no say on anything. The Rooneys run every aspect of that team and Pittsburgh, as a city and a fanbase are not bastions of progressivity.

https://gawker.com/5947068/the-most-racist-city-in-america-pittsburgh

He is going to pay at least 150 million dollars to say he is an owner and get ignored at owners' meetings.

Whatever, playa

Tepper was a Billionaire and had to play the long game to get a team.

Jay is going to find a way and his entrance into the circle was playing Kaep.

"OJ should come out with a song called, "The Story of Jay-Z"



I DIEDT ! ! !



I was inna public place too, LOST. MY. ENTIRE. SHIT!

So it is okay that the NFL blackballed a player doing a peaceful silent protest? Kaepernick is still without a job.

And Jay-Z is what, 0.005% owner of a sports team? We've seen these moves before with the Brooklyn Nets. What changes are we expecting to see? What changes is Jay-Z in a position to make? Is he going to sign Kaepernick to his team?

The NFL won.

And dumb ass Gibbs is out here clout chasing. Just saying 'I support Jay-Z' is fine....but to say 'Fuck Kaepernick' is some dumb shit that reminds me why dude is still an underground rapper after Jeezy played him. Did he beat that rape case in Europe? I think he is in need of an 'ASAP' wake up call.

That's the rape case you want to attach to this man's name.

I'm not mad at him.
It would make sense if the NFL was cancelled by blacks, but since there are still players in the league, and we all still watch, why stop his ambition?

https://www.complex.com/music/2019/08/bryan-michael-cox-claims-jay-z-told-jermaine-dupri-to-turn-down-nfl-deal-less-than-a-year-ago


Bryan-Michael Cox Claims JAY-Z Told Jermaine Dupri to Turn Down NFL Deal Less Than a Year Ago

Let's be honest. The biggest moguls in any industry have probably screwed a lot of people over to get to where they are now.

If the NFL was waving a lot of money and JD let Jay Z talk him out of it, that's JD's fault. Execs trade false info and try to out maneuver each other all the time. And JD's got his own label and businesses.

I just don't see boss on boss crime as serious. JD shouldn't have let someone else fake him out his shoes, and out of dollars.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>Let's be honest. The biggest moguls in any industry have
>probably screwed a lot of people over to get to where they are
>now.
>

Awful take

>If the NFL was waving a lot of money and JD let Jay Z talk him
>out of it, that's JD's fault. Execs trade false info and try
>to out maneuver each other all the time. And JD's got his own
>label and businesses.
>
>I just don't see boss on boss crime as serious. JD shouldn't
>have let someone else fake him out his shoes, and out of
>dollars.
>

Divide and conquer doesn't help the Black community.

Happens all the time. Jermaine got talked out of a lucrative deal. That's on him.

Black community is subject to the same internal market forces as everyone else. Because you don't do a deal, no one should? Because one person has a business, no one else should go into that business?

That don't make sense.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>Happens all the time. Jermaine got talked out of a lucrative
>deal. That's on him.
>
>Black community is subject to the same internal market forces
>as everyone else. Because you don't do a deal, no one should?
>Because one person has a business, no one else should go into
>that business?
>
>That don't make sense.
>

Nah if someone is protesting, you don't exploit that to get ahead and make a buck because in the end it hurts the ones who need it the most.

Dude, you're getting a couple of things conflated.

What he did to Kaep? Wrong.

What he did to Dupri? Fair game. That's what my past two comments were about. Snaking Kaep after representing so hard, not a good look.

But snaking another business exec out of a good deal of money? Fair game.

>Nah if someone is protesting, you don't exploit that to get
>ahead and make a buck because in the end it hurts the ones who
>need it the most.


______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Do you honestly believe Kaep and kneeling never came up when he was discussing JD's deal with the NFL.

Kneeling, working with the NFL all of that is connected.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13343217&mesg_id=13343217&page=#13343333

Think the NFL wasn't taking notes when the NBA used Jay Z ?

I remember he had a lot of success in the 90s/00s but when's the last time he produced/was associated with a hit

Don't need a hit he has a long track record.

Nobody.

Also it's like on one hand people are mad at Jay taking the deal, even minus the JD incident, but want to bring up JD as if it would have been better if he took the deal.

Like I'm not understanding the real issue.

>Also it's like on one hand people are mad at Jay taking the
>deal, even minus the JD incident, but want to bring up JD as
>if it would have been better if he took the deal.
>
>Like I'm not understanding the real issue.

I think they’re trying to develop “he’s a snake” angle so they won’t hear you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ASZ6K9cPNk

>
>Also it's like on one hand people are mad at Jay taking the
>deal, even minus the JD incident, but want to bring up JD as
>if it would have been better if he took the deal.
>
>Like I'm not understanding the real issue.


That's not the issue for me, even if the JD conversation never happen NFL deal is still a Ruckus move by Jay Z.

http://coreyevanleak.com/jay-z-colin-kaepernick-the-nfl-and-harolds-grass-n-feed/

Not sure how long Jay has been working on this, but maybe seeing that we are past kneeling, as he says, the timing isn't so bad as doing a deal with the NFL while the situation is still fresh.

I don't know. I'm just not made at him.

>Not sure how long Jay has been working on this, but maybe
>seeing that we are past kneeling, as he says, the timing isn't
>so bad as doing a deal with the NFL while the situation is
>still fresh.

https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/1163145201852006401



>I don't know. I'm just not made at him.


https://twitter.com/E_Reid35/status/1162047971388723200

LoL

*smdh*

shrewd, millionaire, hiding behind charity steez

rumble like the rich white man young man rumble

I really hope we as a people don’t let this be our downfall
niggas, trying to put together bits and pieces of info

even Harriet made/had alliances...

https://youtu.be/57HPG4OYrM0?t=125

Harriet cut deals wow

Harriet was bringing change with that deal.

n/m

and its not really even over the deal itself. im of the opinion that we should let that play out because we have no idea what will actually materialize from it. jay has a pretty stellar track record (browder doc, lowkey bailing out protestors, etc) and we shouldnt be so quick to cast him aside the moment we think he falls short.

but damn he coulda handled this so much better. he had to know the shit was going to be controversial and polarizing *among us*. it feels like he threw a hand grenade on an issue where *we* had generally reached a consensus and saw eye to eye on.

but now im seeing black people say fuck jay. and others saying fuck kap. sides are being drawn and this whole thing is a mess. jay shitted away a lot of goodwill and cultural capital over this.

you cant just drop this out of nowhere and bring the conversation to a boil again then expect to paper over it with some presser giggling alongside roger goodell.

he shouldve gotten on the same page with some kap allies (kap himself may be muzzled), activists, etc. at least had a more sufficient explanation and pr strategy to roll out. and he damn sure shouldnt have done that photo op with goodell. thats what really made this whole thing look disingenuous and cashgrabby.

thank you for articulating your point very well.

It really bothers me how quickly and easy folks want to write brothers off.

I agree it was a misstep now. But what we are talking about is a PR mistake. For all we know the plan is for him to get an NFL team and hire Kap. And if that wasn't his original plan it could still become his plan now seeing the backlash. He could say I made a mistake and let me make it right.

But the vitirol that has been thrown at the brother is crazy to me. The White Media loves a story about a brother who has falling. It just seems like we eat that up and make it easier for them.

By instinct when I see white folks dogpiling on a brother I hesitate and try and cut through the noise. Black twitter has no time for that.

Jay-Z knows he can't win.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1161701794839498753



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

canceling jason whitlock? ok.

canceling jay z? cmon.

niggas canceled monique. then canceled steve harvey in a dispute with monique over the thing she got canceled for lol.

this is one of my biggest issues with it:

>The White Media loves a story about a brother who has
>falling. It just seems like we eat that up and make it easier
>for them.
>
>By instinct when I see white folks dogpiling on a brother I
>hesitate and try and cut through the noise. Black twitter has
>no time for that.

bad faith actors are playing up the division between jay/kap and their factions. where we were largely united on one side...in the trenches together...now its a circular firing squad (to the joy of people on the *other* other side).

jay should have known you cant just dip your toes back in these waters and not expect ripples. dude was one of kaps most influential supporters and encouraging people to resist the nfl in some way *just a few months ago*. even if his intentions are solid...the way it was handled becomes even more inexcusable the more i think about it.

now we are all left to grapple with *his* decision.

Aren’t we tired of???
When will it end?


Same people saying F the NFL are all a sudden on some “let’s wait and see how this plays out”

I’m also someone who never boycotted or stopped watching so there’s that but I think the 180 is suspect as hell.

It’s crazy how much influence a rapper has over our people.

and I’m not cancelling Jay but his fans act like he is above criticism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/jay-z-didnt-sell-out-by-dealing-with-the-nfl-this-is-just-how-activism-works/2019/08/23/17178210-c520-11e9-9986-1fb3e4397be4_story.html

By Michael Eric Dyson August 23 at 10:40 AM
In 1963, Malcolm X, who advocated armed self-defense of black folk in the face of white supremacy, flayed Martin Luther King Jr., who preached nonviolent resistance to social injustice. “The white man pays Rev. Martin Luther King, subsidizes Rev. Martin Luther King, so that Rev. Martin Luther King can continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless,” Malcolm charged. He was a “modern Uncle Tom.” Elsewhere, Malcolm dubbed King “the best weapon that the white man . . . has ever gotten.”

I remembered these bitter charges as controversy dogged the announcement this month that Jay-Z’s company, Roc Nation, had signed a contract with the National Football League to advise on live music, entertainment and social justice projects. Jay had stood up for former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick. He wore Kaepernick’s jersey while performing on “Saturday Night Live,” advised other performers to boycott the Super Bowl halftime show and rapped on 2018’s “Apes---,” “I said no to the Super Bowl: You need me, I don’t need you/ Every night we in the end zone, tell the NFL we in stadiums, too.” Now he’s doing business with the organization that colluded to banish Kaepernick for kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial injustice. Associated Press sports columnist Paul Newberry called Jay a “total sellout,” suggesting he’d buried his conscience in cash. Kaepernick’s lawyer said Jay’s “cold blooded” move “crosses the intellectual picket line.” Jay’s justification : “I think we’ve moved past kneeling. I think it’s time for action.”

Kaepernick and Jay-Z are not the modern-day equivalents of Malcom and King, but those pairs reflect an eternal tension — the outside agitators who apply pressure and the inside activators who patrol the halls of power, bringing knowledge and wisdom — in civil rights and black freedom movements. King worked with the Eisenhower, Johnson and Kennedy administrations to better conditions for black folk and to craft civil rights legislation. Jay, for his part, has advocated for social justice in his music and beyond the stage for more than two decades — by writing op-eds and creating an organization to lobby for criminal justice reform; by bailing out Black Lives Matter protesters; by supplying legal help for black victims of racism; by creating documentaries about victims like Trayvon Martin and Kalief Browder; and by speaking out about police brutality and racial injustice.

The choice between Kaep and Jay, between Malcolm and King, is a false one. We need all of them, and it is far too early to judge what Jay will make of this opportunity with the NFL.

Jay’s action fits into a tradition of social protest, forged by Jesse Jackson, that extends King’s work: You protest a company — say a shoemaker or an auto dealership — for its unjust practices; you force those involved to acknowledge their error; you negotiate for better terms of engagement; you interact with the folk you once protested in an effort to make progress. In 1996, after several Texaco executives were taped making racist comments about 1,400 black employees who had filed a class-action discrimination suit against the company, Jackson organized a picket protest, then forged connections with Texaco board members that led to a corporate mea culpa and an out-of-court settlement of more than $175 million with the company’s black professionals, middle managers and other workers.

This reflected a shift in civil rights strategy from street protests to suite participation. Jackson leveraged the threat of boycotts and the rhetoric of persuasion to get more blacks placed on corporate boards, compel banks and major companies to direct more business to minority-owned contractors, and help integrate more black and other minority folk into the nation’s economic power base.

It is true that the NFL did not explicitly acknowledge wrongdoing in Kaepernick’s case, though the league did settle his grievance lawsuit in February, suggesting that it recognized his claim of collusion as a real legal threat. Jay cannot make a team hire Kaepernick, and perhaps Roc Nation could have refused a contract until Kaepernick got a job, which would have been a just outcome. But it is also true that social justice doesn’t hinge exclusively on Kaepernick’s employment. The fact that many team owners support an openly racist president demands an attempt to grapple with them. And it may be a sign of progress that those same owners got into business with a rapper who calls President Trump a “superbug.” Jay’s noisy opposition to white nationalism is just as important as how his partnership may provide the league cover.

Jay did not write off protest when he said we are “past kneeling.” He simply cast Kaepernick as a runner in a relay race rather than a boxer fighting alone in the ring. The Players Coalition, for instance, was founded in 2017 by Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins and former receiver Anquan Boldin to tie kneeling to serious and thoughtful action. It promotes social justice advocacy, education and distribution of resources on the local, state and federal levels. When it accepted nearly $90 million from the NFL to advance its agenda in November 2017, then-49ers safety Eric Reid, Kaepernick’s courageous compatriot, called the thoughtful Jenkins a “sellout” and a “neocolonialist.”

But consider its efforts so far. As part of the $89 million that the players got the NFL to commit over a seven-year period, $8.5 million was allocated in 2018. Players identified key issues of racial and social inequality where they thought they could make the biggest impact, including police and community relations, criminal justice reform, and educational and economic advancement. Players led the working group that distributed millions to the Advancement Project, the Center for Policing Equity, the National Juvenile Defender Center, the Anti-Recidivism Coalition, the Campaign for Black Male Achievement, the Civil Rights Corps and VOTE. After Trump canceled a White House invitation to celebrate the Eagles’ 2018 Super Bowl victory, Jenkins skipped a traditional news conference and drew attention with a series of signs clarifying that player protests weren’t about the national anthem but about social inequality.

When white institutions and individuals sincerely ask for help (that sincerity may be doubted and only later revealed to be genuine, or the request may begin as insincere but evolve with more contact and better understanding), it is a good thing to supply it. Malcolm X once famously rebuffed a young white student who tracked him down in New York to ask what she could do to help the cause. His response took her aback: “Nothing.” It makes for great theater and dramatic storytelling, but it was the wrong answer.

Things are never ideal, and systems of white oppression co-opt us all: teachers, leaders, advocates, athletes, organizers. Look at me. I have spent nearly five decades — in speeches, books, my courses — advocating for social justice. I also work at Georgetown University, a school that sold 272 enslaved souls, including children, to bankroll its future. This is how the world works: All of us have blood on our hands and dirt beneath our nails, and we can scarcely afford to reject every institution we encounter as irretrievably tainted.

The charge of being a sellout, and the instinct to “cancel” people indicted in this way, often comes full circle. (Malcolm was later deemed a traitor to his cause and murdered by members of his own group.) The language of betrayal cannot provide lasting moral satisfaction. Instead, we need a vocabulary of moral accountability and social responsibility that is nuanced and capacious, giving us air to breathe and room to grow.

Jay’s deal with the NFL represents a valid and potentially viable attempt to raise awareness of injustice to black folk, and to inspire the league to embrace just action for the black masses. It may fail — and it certainly should not be used to diminish Kaepernick’s noble, iconic battle — but the effort is not a repudiation of justice. It is an attempt to make justice real for black folk far beyond the elite circles in which Jay and Kaepernick travel. Jay-Z, whose résumé is suffused with activism that cost him money instead of accruing him profit, has earned the right to try this. Even if Jay stands to make a tidy sum with the NFL, his history suggests that he has put his money where his ethics are — and declined to let his capitalist instincts outweigh his ethical imagination. Alongside scolding, resisting, protesting and cajoling, there is a need for strategy, planning, listening, learning and moving forward to test the application of principles embodied by people like Kaepernick.

Jay and Kaepernick will not be the last civil rights activists who represent different poles of the movement. This history is rich: King, Rosa Parks, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Freedom Riders, the Congress of Racial Equality and a host of other organizations occasionally bickered over methods and messaging and strategy. Iconic figures got bruised (James Baldwin, iced from speaking at the 1963 March on Washington, felt wounded but still kept up the freedom fight), swept aside (Ella Baker didn’t get her due when working with King’s sexist organization) or minimized (grass-roots activist Fannie Lou Hamer wasn’t universally applauded by black elites when she lived).

It is not wrong for Kaepernick to receive every nickel he has earned from Nike and the NFL, or for Reid and Jenkins to continue to get paid for their talents in the league they push to do the right thing. And it is hardly wrong for Jay-Z to do well while doing good. They are all motivated by grand ideals and good ends. Even Malcolm X, once he freed himself from his earlier narrow views, knew that he was wrong and concluded that “Dr. King wants the same thing I want — freedom!” So does Colin Kaepernick. So does Jay-Z. And so should we.

came out out. And he was supposedly "close" with Aaliyah.

He built a billion dollar career copying, stealing and plagiarizing other people’s styles, material and stories and literally faked it until he made it. Nas told you everything you need to know about him on Ether.

So after him pretending to say “eff the NFL" in his raps and rocking Kap's jersey on SNL and telling Travis Scott not to do the Super Bowl it's not surprising that he runs to the "table" to do a deal with the NFL especially if they dangled an "ownership" carrot in front of him, give him another less than 1% share and he's got a new line for his next rap song. But the Jayhive/Hovteps are going to defend him no matter what lol

No one knows the terms of Kaep’s settlement

There is so much conjecture going around. Somebody hip me to some links with solid information. Outside of that, people are commenting on stuff with no real info. It’s like asking random people in the barber shop if we can get to Mars. They don’t know. They may have an opinion, but it’s not likely to be a very informed one.

What I will say it is was absurd for Jay to say “we are beyond kneeling” and it’s time for “actionable items” because (a) he wasn’t even one of the people kneeling (b) he hasn’t proposed any actionable items.

I guess we are supposed to believe that Jay is gonna swop in and...what? Get NFL owners to team up against police brutality? I can’t imagine there’s anything Jay can do inside of a corporate office that Kaep and the kneeling players couldn’t get their back offices to do. So, I guess we are supposed to believe Jay has a top secret social justice plan? I wish him luck and all, but there isn’t enough info for me to be optimistic. If Jay were becoming part owner of a team, as initially rumored, that would be a bigger deal than brokering halftime entertainment events. In any case, the struggle continues

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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