The primary intention of abortion laws is to punish poor people.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2019/06/woman-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-her-unborn-child-charges-against-shooter-dismissed.html?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1fgSQbf9qyBZR_v9TaRghj_-9tQaXg1kDMqyOWhkUCAofOWVlHPHo3Jqc

Alabama woman loses unborn child after being shot, gets arrested; shooter goes free
Updated Jun 26, 11:44 PM; Posted Jun 26, 5:12 PM

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com
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A woman whose unborn baby was killed in a 2018 Pleasant Grove shooting has now been indicted in the death.

Marshae Jones, a 27-year-old Birmingham woman, was indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury on a manslaughter charge. She was taken into custody on Wednesday.

Though Jones didn’t fire the shots that killed her unborn baby girl, authorities say she initiated the dispute that led to the gunfire. Police initially charged 23-year-old Ebony Jemison with manslaughter, but the charge against Jemison was dismissed after the grand jury failed to indict her.

The shooting happened about noon on Dec. 4, 2018, outside Dollar General on Park Road. Officers were dispatched to the scene on a report of someone shot but arrived to find the shooting victim – later identified as Jones - had been picked up and driven to Fairfield. Police and paramedics then found the Jones at a Fairfield convenience store.

Jones was taken from Fairfield to UAB Hospital. She was five months pregnant and was shot in the stomach. The unborn baby did not survive the shooting.

“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time of the shooting. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

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Woman charged in Pleasant Grove shooting that killed unborn baby girl

Reid said the fight stemmed over the unborn baby’s father. The investigation showed, he said, that it was Jones who initiated and pressed the fight, which ultimately caused Jemison to defend herself and unfortunately caused the death of the baby.

"Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection."

The 5-month fetus was "dependent on its mother to try to keep it from harm, and she shouldn’t seek out unnecessary physical altercations,” Reid added.

Jones will be transferred to the Jefferson County Jail where she will be held on $50,000 bond.

News of Jones’ grand jury indictment outraged many, including women’s rights activists.

The Yellowhammer Fund, a member of the National Network of Abortion Funds which helps women access abortion services, released a statement Wednesday night. The group gained national attention after the passage of Alabama’s new abortion law.

“The state of Alabama has proven yet again that the moment a person becomes pregnant their sole responsibility is to produce a live, healthy baby and that it considers any action a pregnant person takes that might impede in that live birth to be a criminal act,’’ Executive Director Amanda Reyes said in the statement.“

“Today, Marshae Jones is being charged with manslaughter for being pregnant and getting shot while engaging in an altercation with a person who had a gun. Tomorrow, it will be another black woman, maybe for having a drink while pregnant. And after that, another, for not obtaining adequate prenatal care,” Reyes said.

“We commit ourselves to making sure that Marshae is released from jail on bond, assisting with her legal representation, and working to ensure that she gets justice for the multiple attacks that she has endured,’’ Reyes said.

He's not lying about his feelings about women. He's telling everybody *exactly* why he thinks they exist.

And that's saying something

Nobody's ever this on-the-nose, and I assumed maybe I'd missed something. Nope, woman literally shot in the stomach is not a victim.

Shit like this is absolutely not an unforeseeable side effect of Alabama's laws. They wanted to assert active control over women's bodies, and now they're doing it.

Given the fact that the grand jury failed to indict THE ACTUAL SHOOTER for the same crime.

n/m

Format-wise, it kind of slides under the header there too. Seems like you rather rightfully focused on all of the other head-shaking details.

They talk about the shooter having not been indicted after being arrested, but then say that this woman who was shot has been indicted.

Also other than some ambiguous quotes from the police, we don't know much about the altercation. It sounds like she wanted to beat this other lady's ass and she shot her. Maybe a bit of an overreaction, especially considering she likely knew she was pregnant, but hey, it's Alabama!

is blamed. Bama crazy af.

Writers room could not come up with a better scenario of where gun loving stand your ground mindset meets the Pro-life movement (I guess the story could have been one-upped if the shooter was white).




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Now, Jones (pregnant) initiated the fight thus resulting in the death of the baby. I say it was her duty to protect the unborn child, but that's just my opinion.

If Jones had been holding the baby in her arms and initiated the fight and the baby was shot and killed would Jones still deserve the same charge?

I can see them trying to use Alabama Code Title 13A. Criminal Code § 13A-6-2

https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-6-2.html



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>Now, Jones (pregnant) initiated the fight thus resulting in
>the death of the baby.

The baby died when somebody else shot her in the stomach. That's the event that resulted in the death of the baby.

Waving that away, just like the amoral cop did, really only serves the function of making this ghoulish injustice seem normal.

>>Now, Jones (pregnant) initiated the fight thus resulting in
>>the death of the baby.
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>The baby died when somebody else shot her in the stomach.
>That's the event that resulted in the death of the baby.
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>Waving that away, just like the amoral cop did, really only
>serves the function of making this ghoulish injustice seem
>normal.

The root cause is not the person pulling the gun. The root cause as I see it is the person that took the deliberate action to seek out a confrontation that escalated to a physical action that resulted in the death of another human. Jones was not thinking about the danger that she put herself in or her unborn child.

No one is waving away anything. I'm also trying to understand what code was used to charge Jones.

For example (Total Hypothetical for conversation's sake): What if Jones was babysitting your child and had taken your child with her to instigate a fight and the child was shot and killed. Who would you believe was the cause for the shooting death of your child, the shooter or Jones?


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pulling the trigger.

I get the initiator, but the escalation happened when the gun was pulled.

>pulling the trigger.
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>I get the initiator, but the escalation happened when the gun
>was pulled.

she never instigates the fight? The escalation happened when she intentionally sought to have a confrontation with a person.



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I'm left to speculate on the self-defense part. was the gun on shooter when she was confronted? did she have to go get the gun after things got started? those answers would help me. we'll prolly never know.

both could've taken better routes to alleviate this. right now, my sympathy will go with the person who lost the child and has to deal with her own wounds. physically and emotionally.

>I'm left to speculate on the self-defense part. was the gun
>on shooter when she was confronted? did she have to go get the
>gun after things got started? those answers would help me.
>we'll prolly never know.
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>both could've taken better routes to alleviate this. right
>now, my sympathy will go with the person who lost the child
>and has to deal with her own wounds. physically and
>emotionally.


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That purpose is pretending that the immediate cause of the baby's death isn't worthy of legal or moral attention. Which permits you to treat the body of a pregnant woman as permanently under the control of the state.

>For example (Total Hypothetical for conversation's sake): What
>if Jones was babysitting your child and had taken your child
>with her to instigate a fight and the child was shot and
>killed. Who would you believe was the cause for the shooting
>death of your child, the shooter or Jones?

The person who shot my baby would be the person that caused my baby to be shot.

will the trigger person face charges for shooting the woman?

>That purpose is pretending that the immediate cause of the
>baby's death isn't worthy of legal or moral attention. Which
>permits you to treat the body of a pregnant woman as
>permanently under the control of the state.
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Wrong! I'm not pretending about anything and I not associating that the body of a pregnant woman belongs to the state. You're going way overboard to justify an opinion.



>>For example (Total Hypothetical for conversation's sake):
>What
>>if Jones was babysitting your child and had taken your child
>>with her to instigate a fight and the child was shot and
>>killed. Who would you believe was the cause for the shooting
>>death of your child, the shooter or Jones?
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>The person who shot my baby would be the person that caused my
>baby to be shot.

OK. So you're saying that you'd find no fault in Jone's actions? In you're eyes she would not be complicit?

You're that same person that thinks billionaire are evil and that their greed contributes to evil deeds. So.. man let me stop.



The root cause is really de devaluing of Black Life (Human Life) that brought about the entire situation. We can argue about the State Law, the police actions, the issues in the justice system. But the bottom line is that neither of these women valued the lives of each other or the unborn child. But I'll let you argue the responses. I'll make my case for the cause.




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Instigating a fight doesn't mean instigating gun play. She could have gotten smacked upside the head a few times, and we wouldn't be in this situation.

Any time a pregnant lady gets in a fight, should they charge her with attempt murder/manslaughter just because the potential is there?

>Instigating a fight doesn't mean instigating gun play. She
>could have gotten smacked upside the head a few times, and we
>wouldn't be in this situation.
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>Any time a pregnant lady gets in a fight, should they charge
>her with attempt murder/manslaughter just because the
>potential is there?


That's a great question. Maybe both parties should be charged, but then that would be a huge mess.



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The baby and the arrest make it sound crazy but if she wasn’t pregnant I think people would have a totally different opinion on these charges.

IMO getting shot and losing a baby is punishment enough.

But let’s play lawyer. If you seek someone out and attack them and they shoot you in “self defense” who gets charged? Just wondering.

Story is messed up. My question is did the other woman know she was pregnant? Was this over the father of the baby or just 2 women who didn’t like each other

That's a no win situation for that other lady


If a pregnant chick runs up on me swinging I'm hauling ass and recording everything (especially as a man)

and put herself in the situation knowing full well that a fight was imminent.

Yes, the quest addresses visual bias, but we also need to address the heart issues.
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>I say it was her duty to protect the
>unborn child, but that's just my opinion.


you're ok with discussing this? you don't need a minute?

It's cool to give our opinion about people who lose their pregnancies?


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I know it’s hard to do but got damn man

wait that's not me?

cuz that seems like an asshole thing to do.


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about who is to blame for a woman who lost her pregnancy.

I was wrong for that.


wait was that also not me?

sonofa... hang on I'll get this right next time.

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either blocking the bullets or dodging them matrix style

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in this case
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If she was white you really think the shooter wouldn’t be charged?

If both the pregnant woman and the shooter were white do you think the shooter would be charged?


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and I’m sure there are white people who are charged with murder when they take drugs and kill their baby.

But shot in the stomach? Unless you pulled the trigger how is it your fault?

>and I’m sure there are white people who are charged with
>murder when they take drugs and kill their baby.
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>But shot in the stomach? Unless you pulled the trigger how is
>it your fault?

From my guess, Jones is not getting charged for the shooting. She's getting charged for causing the death of the child by putting the child in danger. That's why I wanted to know what code they used to charge her.




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As with a lot of things involving black women, this is a double whammy of racism and misogyny

Just Blame Everything on Race. To hell with critical thinking regarding other factors, just blame it all on the oppressive system fo racism because none of this would have even happened if the system of racism was not facilitating it.

I don't have to jump in the echo chamber and blame everything on race - I live the crap.



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CRAZY is not doing ANYTHING major about it, like damn we could do BAD by ourselves lol.



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Stomach?!?

I understand it apparently in self defense, but I feel like I need to bathe in holy water just typing that out.

I’ve seen it multiple times in a few malls.

Why put your pregnant self in the situation to fight? Why shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach?



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It's hard to say how the other person felt about her life being in danger, but Both should be charged because BOTH had an opportunity to retreat or never engage in this awful mess.

Both of their lives will forever be changed and they will have to carry the memory of this tragic event for the rest of their lives. I can't begin to understand the depths of sorrow for either. One woman may go to jail having to live with a stupid and terrible choice to seek out a fight that resulted in the death of her child. That has to be crippling on so many levels. The shooter has to live on knowing that her intentions to access, load, carry a gun, a then discharge the weapon ultimately resulted in the death of a baby. That will hunt her for the rest of her life. Both can find forgiveness, but both will still have to live with the memory of their avoidable actions.


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There have to be more women you can punish for this besides these two (well, only one is getting punished, but that's neither here nor there.) They had mothers, right? Presumably at least one of them has siblings who can be charged. Probably friends who should have been looking out for them. Why are you so intent on letting them get away with their crimes? They're every bit as responsible for the victim getting shot as the victim is, and it's frankly disturbing that you don't want to punish them as well. Guess you've gone soft on us.

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If he can’t see how trying to fight while pregnant is a bad idea...

Of course she didn’t know it would end with a bullet to her stomach but who tried to fight while knowing they are pregnant?

where he got a string of LoLs for going at c71 with that same type of joke

It's so tired. I'm just trying to hold EVERYONE accountable.

presented for a BLACK Woman to shoot a pregnant Lady, have the Baby die and you get off on Self Defense.

Like how bad of an asswhipping do you have to take where a Jury is on your side?

I don't know the details, but IF the Pregnant Lady was actively looking for a fight in her condition that is wreckless as hell.

This is the most extreme result, but even if the other lady didn't shoot her she still could have gotten injured and miscarried.

Grand jury didn't indict.

let the shooter go?

they must bought this take from the police

"The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time of the shooting. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”


Reid said the fight stemmed over the unborn baby’s father. The investigation showed, he said, that it was Jones who initiated and pressed the fight, which ultimately caused Jemison to defend herself and unfortunately caused the death of the baby.

"Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection."

The 5-month fetus was "dependent on its mother to try to keep it from harm, and she shouldn’t seek out unnecessary physical altercations,” Reid added.

...a gun or knife in their hand or laying next to them. That, or there's a group of people stomping on me on the ground. This was when I went to get my permit in PA.

There being a clear and present danger to one's life should be a requirement for any shooting classified as self-defense.

Also, the duty to retreat laws are really fucked-up in some states. This is something that *should* factor in as well, but doesn't because of these laws. Was she not physically able to escape from her pregnant attacker?

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17778712/stand-your-ground-alabama-black-woman-guns

Especially when it comes to black women, it seems.

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but that's how things go

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That's his child and the mother of his child that he failed to protect, from the woman I presume he's sleeping with. Talk about root causes? But I guess none of that comes to play in your superior moral code.

Because that's going t make all the difference.

It is okay to shoot pregnant Black women. Pregnant Black women are enough of a threat to pull a gun on and shoot. Wtf?

Jones is not the only woman to loose a baby due to gun violence. Please point out other cases where the pregnant woman is shot, loses baby, then sent to jail for death of her own child.

Anybody Black....whether child, elderly, man, or pregnant woman, is enough of a threat to pull a gun and shoot no matter what the reason.

It is open season on all of us yet people want to sit and discuss whether race plays a factor.

A Black woman shoots at an abusive spouse, she goes to jail. A Black pregnant woman gets shot, she goes to jail.

If you are Black, and get into any confrontation, you deserve to get shot. If you happen to survive the shooting, you're going to jail for assault.

Yeah, Jim Crow 2.0 is in full effect. Well, let me jump into that other post that discusses the RW Supreme Court and how it will uphold this new Jim Crow, gerrymandering, and other things consisting of our worst fears.

>It is open season on all of us yet people want to sit and
>discuss whether race plays a factor.

how anyone could agree with this woman being indicted for this is beyond me.

punishing those they already don't like. That's it, that's the appeal. Not all Christians, probably not even most, but enough that "well maybe the person shooting the pregnant black woman WAS the victim" is considered a legitimate thing to not just believe, but to codify into law. And you're intolerant if you question their sincerely held beliefs.

... as part of the founding principle of European Civilization. It's called "Formation of a Persecuting Society" and it's extremely good. Basically, he looks at the project of creating a civilization that can at least pretend to some degree of univocity and points out that exclusion is just as important in that project as inclusion. So as European Christians in the middle ages were picking up the smashed pieces of the Roman Empire, that meant anybody who didn't quite belong like Jews and heretics and people with physical disabilities and homosexuals and prostitutes were out. And not just out, but aggressively expelled from polite society through active persecution.

That move should be recognizable, as it's basically the underpinning of fascism. Together we are strong, but we've got to lose all of these weak folks first. No crooked sticks in the fasces.

Particularly here

>So as European
>Christians in the middle ages were picking up the smashed
>pieces of the Roman Empire, that meant anybody who didn't
>quite belong like Jews and heretics and people with physical
>disabilities and homosexuals and prostitutes were out. And not
>just out, but aggressively expelled from polite society
>through active persecution.

Thanks, I'll have to look into this book

They're a group from Basque France and Spain who were persecuted for hundreds of years starting in the 10th or 11th century and nobody seems to know why. This isn't my direct field, but my understanding is that none of the "usual" reasons apply. They were ethnically and linguistically the same as whichever local communities they appeared in. They weren't heretics and weren't marginalized into one particular and vulnerable-to-scorn job. But they had to wear clothes indicating their status, enter churches through a separate entrance, and there's reams and reams of primary literature wherein folks detail how much they hate the Cagot.

Anyhow, I don't remember if Moore dealt with them, but his book is solid. He writes for an academic audience, but he's more readable than most authors like him if you haven't spent the past decade knee-deep in European religious history.

There was also a really good article at Current Affairs by Daniel Walden that deals with a lot of these themes in order to really pull apart the idea of "The West" as a meaningful cultural edifice. He's a wonderful writer, and also recently wrote a delightfully mean takedown of Ben Shapiro's latest book. Here's the first one I mentioned:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/06/dismantling-the-west

I don't give a single part of a solitary fuck about any piece of shit motherfucker who claims to be so offended they can't discuss this, but is perfectly fine posting up fictional articles about babies being torn apart.

If anyone who fits that description is upset about something, then fuck 'em.

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You know damn well speaking on news is different than bringing up someone’s personal shit.

Stop being you

the only real person is case's wife, not any other women anywhere?

I treat em all the same.


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I mean that. Full Stop!


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you wouldn't know about that or be able to relate.

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Yeah, we can't relate to that right there.


You ain't foolin NOBODY, Duke!

you can't deal with women as people, so you've never considered that there's an actual person on the other end of that.

someone who I've long since squashed any issues with.

but you don't know that because you think it's some gotcha that you can pull out.

you'd have to actually care about the person. which you don't.


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I'm discussing this entire jacked up matter and I posted the article about babies being murdered in the womb. So next time be man enough to say my name or just go back to admiring your classic comic book collections and dusting off your antique action figures. But keep it 100% my guy.


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you had big threats, what happened? nothing.

because that's what you're "man enough" to do. nothing.

you know where I am.


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Since you claim I know where you're at.


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My real name is pretty easy to find

https://twitter.com/rjcc

Come on up to Lansing, lemme know when you're in the area.

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I'm starting to think you weren't that motivated to do something

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what's your next week looking like?

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that are directly to you....nothing.

not a fuckin word from the fuckin fake.



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anti-abortion measures are caste enforcement

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/03/alabama-da-drops-charges-against-marshae-jones-manslaughter-case/1642329001/


e attorney Andrew Skier, who has no ties to the case, said it appeared "whoever indicted this case didn't read this statute."

On Monday, Jones' lawyers filed a motion to dismiss the charge. Mark White, a high-powered Birmingham defense attorney, said the charge made "no rational sense" under Alabama law.

"It is simply unconscionable to prosecute a shooting victim for losing her baby as a result of an unforseeable injury," White's firm White, Arnold & Dowd said in a Monday release. "The charges against Marshae are based on a flawed and contorted theory of criminal liability that simply does not exist under the law. We are asking the Court to dismiss this unreasonable, unfounded, and unjust indictment with prejudice and without delay."

A hearing on the motion had been set for July 9.

Jemison last week told BuzzFeed News that she fired a gun as a "warning shot" after Jones and a group of friends attacked her over a relationship issue involving the father of Jones' child. Jemison said she did not intend to injure anyone.

More: Alabama district attorney may not pursue charges against Marshae Jones, prosecutors say

"When my law partner explained to me what we were dealing with, I had to make them repeat it," White, Jones' lawyer, said Monday. "I didn't believe what they said. It made no rational sense."

White said the last time anyone from law enforcement or prosecution talked with Jones was when she was in the hospital in December, recovering from the shooting and pregnancy loss. Law enforcement spent "15 to 20 minutes" with her in her hospital room.

"That’s the last time anyone from law enforcement or anyone in the prosecution had any discussion with her until Wednesday when she was asked to come to the Pleasant Grove police station," White said. "She went with her 6-year-old daughter and they locked her up and put a $50,000 bond on her, which is off the bond schedule in the state of Alabama. It’s fair to say she’s devastated."

Jones' family had to be called to pick up her daughter, White said.

White questioned why Jones wasn't asked to testify before the grand jury as the shooting victim in the case.

"They could have given my client the courtesy of saying, 'Would you like to tell the grand jury your story?'" White said. "The grand jury procedure is easily manipulated. In December, we now know the local law enforcement developed their own narrative and decided they would advance the proposition that this victim of a shooting somehow could be a defendant, not a victim. I don’t know why they did that, but it’s obviously for their own personal or political reasons. ... It would have been nice to ask the victim what happened."

AL.com on Friday reported that Jones' prosecution is not the first time Pleasant Grove law enforcement has ignited controversy over cases involving pregnant women. In 2016, Pleasant Grove police publicly clashed with UAB hospital, with the police department insisting a pregnant drug user be jailed "to prevent any further damage," to the unborn child, Lt. Danny Reid said at the time. AL.com reported UAB doctors refused to discharge the woman, who was undergoing drug treatment.

Reid has not yet returned an Advertiser request for comment.

The Advertiser on Friday also reached out to Bessemer Cutoff District Attorney Lynneice Washington's office. Washington, who was out of town at the time of Jones' arrest, released a statement Thursday through her office, urging caution as the office had not yet decided whether or not to pursue the manslaughter charge.

"Foremost, it should be stated that this is a truly tragic case, resulting in the death of an unborn child," the release stated. "We feel sympathy for the families involved, including Ms. Jones, who lost her unborn child. The fact that this tragedy was 100% avoidable makes this case even more disheartening."
District Attorney Lynneice Washington's office is currently weighing whether or not to pursue charges against Marshae Jones.

Abortion and reproductive rights groups last week quickly raised Jones' case as a cause célèbre, marking it as an example of prosecutorial overreach on the heels of a near-total abortion ban in Alabama. The new law, which could go into effect in November but is expected to remain tied up in federal lawsuits, would criminalize anyone who performs an abortion in the state. Though the law does not criminalize women who receive abortion care, opponents of the legislation argued it would create a slippery slope for criminalizing reproductive rights and pregnancy loss.

"The prosecution of Marshae Jones is absolutely reprehensible," said Staci Fox, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Southeast, in a statement. "It is more proof that Alabama will do everything in its power to criminalize pregnancy – especially for Black women."

Jones' case, however, is not directly related to the abortion ban.

Alabama in the past has used new legislation to pursue prosecutions of pregnant women. In 2006, state lawmakers passed a chemical endangerment law intended to prosecute adults who expose children to volatile meth labs. Prosecutors later used the law to charge pregnant women who were drug users, as seen in the 2016 Pleasant Grove case.

DA Lynneice Washington's office has tried to push back against those tying the Jones case to reproductive rights. In its Thursday statement, it clarified that the shooting happened well-before the abortion law was passed.

In an impassioned speech at an unrelated event this weekend, Washington hit back at critics.

"For those of you who called my office and disrupted, cursed, disrespected, because I was not present, I was not in the state? Shame, shame on you," Washington said. "I took an oath to serve. I am a black woman in black skin, so don't tell me how I don't appreciate the sensitivity of a woman and the rights of women."

than fucking prosecutors in alabama.

think about that for a second

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I still don’t trust the DA, because they often look to bring charges up that they know they’ll be able to make stick. And the add on charges in conjunction.





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