Inspired by a convo I had with my boy about this horrible essay. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/nipsey-hussle-s-murder-homophobia-toxic-black-masculinity-fuels-it-ncna990661

"Because the truth is toxic black masculinity kills. Rumors have circulated in the past few days that Nipsey Hussle was murdered by a man who felt “disrespected” in the rapper’s clothing store following a personal dispute. Masculinity didn’t protect him, and now he’s dead."

My friend is struggling with understanding the term "toxic masculinity" and although this article dives a bit into the topic the shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder threw both of us off a bit. It's like the gay version of the Dr. Sebi shit.

Poll question: Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey Hussle

Poll result (16 votes) A hater not being able to control his emotions (4 votes) Vote A man who reacts with violence to emotional triggers (12 votes) Vote A man who uses the excuse of logic to mask his emotional reactions (0 votes) Vote

I place blame on reckless criminal informant policies and a lack of mental healthcare in our community too, but I don't see how this is not also an expression of toxic masculinity.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by females

(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say "there's no such thing as gender")

but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

why does there have to be an equivalent?

point is: why parse it at all?

and if you do: why would there not be terms for each manifestation you select?

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in honor of Angela Nissel who i miss and still respect (as opposed to "rjcc", who I do not) for the kindness she showed and the work she put in:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=announcement&id=76

highlights:

"GUIDELINES (Mar 08th 2008)

......

(10) Of course you are going to disagree with other people's posts, different pieces of content on Okayplayer or certain points of view being put forward by artists, writers, and staff who contribute to the site. This board would be boring if everyone agreed and nobody challenged anyone on anything. Debate is encouraged. Harassing or threatening someone because you disagree is wack and spineless. Harassment and threats are not tolerated. Your account will be deactivated and we will no longer allow you to participate in our community by any means. Based on our judgment, we may decide to give you a warning before taking action, although we are not required.


...

(16) Ignore the posts you do not like and support the ones you do. Responding to posts you dislike is a waste of energy, time, and thought that could go to an interesting post.

...

Keep this in mind: You will only get what YOU put into the boards. If you put out negativity, you will get negativity back. If you put out positivity, you will get that back. Treat message boards as you would treat any home you enter. We hope that you consider this yours."


(edited to be more specific who the internet scab of a poster is)

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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>point is: why parse it at all?

because people are dying to dudes trying to be macho?

>the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males
>and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by
>females
>
>(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say
>"there's no such thing as gender")
>
>but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

I think there's no equivalent term for women because any negative behavior on our part is already called out, and added to existing misogynistic tropes (whether true or not). Men are able to act out in ways that women have never been allowed to. Men's behavior is not policed the way women's behavior is.

To be clear, black men are policed within the broader society but not within our community. Y'all behave like utter fools with very little consequences.

don't want to acknowledge how words work, and put the blame in all the wrong places.

that makes your response consistent.

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And they be playin da hell out dat muhfukka, thinkin we don't see it.

Muhfukka, we SEE yall!

Who are these man haters? Like seriously? Why is it when women make valid criticism or create terminology addressing men's horrible behavior they're "man haters?"

Yeah, I'm struggling with the entirety of the article focusing on homophobia

How did that directly factor into this murder?

The question is asked, why isn't the Ed Buck deaths more of a big deal

A; because the deceased are still black men, gay or not

Not being familiar with Nipsey as an artist (I'm old)

and now being exposed to his work

the constant throwing up a 6 in his videos and other display easily associated with gang culture is painful to see

I really appreciate his work outside of the industry; black ownership, etc...

...but when you look at the videos now, posthumously, I think they speak for themselves...

I have no idea how this dude folded homophobia into this story.

Not everyone in a gang is violent. Nip wasn’t active. He didn’t throw anybody else’s set down in his videos, near as I can remember. He grew up affiliated. He was probably and lroud of it as other people are to belong to a fraternity. That alone in no way justifies or condones murdering him in cold blood.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13196934&mesg_id=13196934&listing_type=search#13196954

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

When someone talks about killing people over an argument or a woman... I bounce.

Back in my wild days I used to date hood chicks but as soon as they talked that “my ex is crazy.. pulled a gun” I bounce

It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those who do but it’s definitely a risk.

9th wonder had a real ass post about how all it takes is one “no”

you can do everything for your people but the first time you say no... problems.

things you're completely in control of

>It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the
>hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those
>who do but it’s definitely a risk.

I mean, if you are dirt poor and you come into millions of dollars, why would you stay exactly where you are? Why would you come back to that environment without extra precautions being taken? And even then, it's a huge risk.

This ain't about black people/men being violent or their masculinity being toxic. It's about desperation and jealousy. Poverty vs status. Perceived gate keeper vs perceived lack of opportunity.

Someone in a much worse situation, wants to be in a better one, sees someone with an abundance of resources and status and wants access to them. Gets shunned (and told he's a liability because he has a rep for not being trusted...allegedly) in front of his significant other supposedly and takes it personal.

When you mix that in a cocktail with poverty, gang culture and access to guns...a lot of the time, logic goes out the door and 'get back' prevails.

I finally let my disappointment in Nipsey passing subside and I put on Victory Lap today. I swear, there are lines all up and down that album that are eerie when combined with how he passed.

Keys to the City - "...Pull out aim for the target, shoulda never been around the killers...catch a body in broad day..."

It makes me sad that it's perceived that even when you get away from that life and try to 180 your effect on that culture, many believe they have to maintain a certain level of promotion/reporting on it to sustain a street relevance.

I mean, I can't expect a screenwriter to not create their art just like I can't to a musician/rapper...but, I just wish it was more widely acceptable to not need the dirt to have mass credibility to some.

It's just incredibly sad man...

I'm not even trying to understand that article. If Eric Holder was trans, and he got stomped out and called an epithet...that would be different.

somebody got cliff notes?

Apparently I gotta call it machismo, sexism, patriarchy, overcompensating, napolean complex anything but toxic masculinity.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

Debate with me pretty-much ends there.

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Not by the supposed premise.
Yes, of course violence and homophobia is wrong and shouldn't be celebrated in music lyrics.
But, to pretend like the murder of Nip has anything to do with either of those is absurd and an extremely far reach. He links to his own article, pretending the topics go together in common discourse.

It is dishonest the way he predatorily uses the tragedy as his vehicle to call-out 'Toxic Masculinity', among Black men very specifically.
Waving a brush of hatred like, "The LGBTQ community is all too familiar with the violent side of black masculinity" supporting it not with facts and stats, but a single violent anecdote, to support his false claim.

He then goes on, "The past 12 months have provided numerous examples of the fragility of black masculinity." citing Ed Buck and Terry Crews, after mentioning Kevin Hart's Oscar dismissal over a 10 year old joke?
Crews was sexually assaulted by a white man.
Two Black men were found dead in WHITE Ed Buck's house...& he's never even been arrested, while the black man he uses in the violent example earlier in the article--who poured boiling water on a gay couple--was sentenced to 40 years in jail, and those men are both alive with no physical permanent damage.

Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote it.

dude is profoundly fucked up for this
and the editor who okayed this bullshit to be published is fucked up too

>Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows
>he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote
>it.

this is what I call "ambulance chasing". appearing to mean well, but they don't go far enough into these "toxins" to be talking about them. they spend too much time on the symptoms.

To distract from the real issue of emotional health and human behavior as it relates to attachment

Both men and women in America are trending towards toxic behavior

To suggest there are toxic forms of either masculinity or femininity is insincere as those are attractive qualities in their respective genders. I'd argue that an attractive quality can't at the same time be unattractive

All of America is suffering from broken famalies and emotional insecurity. When parents aren't able to provide security and comfort for their children (with the first two years of life being the most important) it generally results in adults who have severe issues with managing anxiety and forming healthy relationships

Having a traumatic experience as a newborn in the form of abusive or absent parents, losing parents, or anything that would keep a child from getting the care it needs like separating a family of enslaved Africans for example exacerbates the difficulties an adult will face in soothing their own emotional state with behaviors such as theft, murder, and other forms of destructive or anti social behavior

As we know America has been proactively destroying black men, women, and children at a high rate. The destruction of that family unit and others results in outcomes like this. That's why the frame is Toxic Masculinity as opposed to the Nation's role in all of this

I see it as a byproduct of capitalism and the commodification of gender roles to the point that people become possessive of particular aspects of their gender.

If you think of race as a property right, the in a white supremacist capitalist system white people will defend the concept of whiteness with violence. Whiteness is a concept that although is intangible and really leaves them worse off in the eyes of people who see their goal of racial supremacy as fleeting and self destructive, it carries with it the promise of work, higher pay, better credit, higher home values, second chances in the criminal justice system, strong career networks, the best health outcomes, etc. They are attached to these pieces of identity that are associated with whiteness much like men are attached to aspects of masculinity which in the eyes of many are fleeting and self destructive. The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity that are being spread through social media like a virus. While at the same time people are becoming more possessive of these conceptual pieces of property and are willing to fight to thw death for it.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

"The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity"

From my reading all of these behaviors come from insecurity which is not a gendered thing. I can see though how through the lens of race these behaviors could be believed to be masculine (and thus toxic) the root seems to be insecurity though.

Rhetorically speaking why not deal with the root?

admitting that all they want in life is to be white men

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causes of death.

Gun Control
Poverty
Mental Health Treatment

It just seems simplistic to try and reduce it to the one thing.

I didn't bother to read the article though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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the last 5 and a half decades?

Which doesn't mean it's so called black women by default, so maybe it's grandparents? Idk

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To deny that so called black people in America who have ancestral ties to the centuries of family destabilization and trauma inflicted on families of African descent in the form of separating newborns from their patents, husbands from wives, etc. has not effected the dynamics between men and women in that culture is unwise

Someone once posted "prisons are filled with emotional niggas" and this is one of the reasons why i.e. fatherlessness

It's hard for me to tell if something is genuine or if it's done for clicks nowadays

I'ma little surprised at the reaction to the use of the phrase, "toxic masculinity."

Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral world?




"The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan."
― Adolf Hitler

wanting to make sure he doesn't have to think anyone is blaming him instead of the truth: no one is thinking about him at all and he has no value or impact of consequence.


it couldn't be less about you.

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>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

I assume because it's addressing the historical abuses that men put on various people.

I don't think the idea is that women or LGBTQ people can't act terribly. But there's a long line of abuse and mistreatment that runs back thru history connected to the power (and abuse of it) that men wield.

>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

> Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks
>do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

at least make it not the same thing that the people who hate you the most stan for

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Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it

institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would be far more accurate than a catch phrase

Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful

described?



>Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually
>dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys
>role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it
>
>institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would
>be far more accurate than a catch phrase
>
>Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And the responsibility of society in dealing with it

It's this system that has created the conditions that put men like Nipsey and his killer in the cross hairs

Calling it toxic masculinity takes the focus 100% off of society particularly so called white society

just like racism hurts the racist and makes his understanding of race fraught with lies and contradictions, institutional sexism affects the worldview and behaviors of the sexist.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Sexuality can go in so many directions but I do see how sexuality in terms of perceived masculinity can be applied to this scenario. It feels a little indirect but understandable and we arrive at the same destination this way

one must constantly be on guard against the scourge of femininity in the male gender. The gays and the feminists are ensuring the destruction of black manhood and you would be wise to join in the fight lest we lose the strength, courage, and dignity of black manhood. </sarcasm>

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Failure of civilization in the western world, white supremacy and capitalism is what created the environment that killed nipsey...

You are attempting to view the situation through a reality normal to you when the reality there is much different. Laws are different, morality is different and culture is different

1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.
2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the use of government informants and disrespect posed against people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and
>remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.

>2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation
>you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining
>white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent
>confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are
>fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the
>use of government informants and disrespect posed against
>people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender
>

Without the trappings of the current civilization violence is the norm... as humans we have been incredibly violent for almost all of our history than not.

how much sense it makes to talk degrees, nature, and or purpose of the violence may be moot idk

Also humans can easily be led to violence but organized violence in the form of war or colonization appears require leadership and so maybe it can be argued that our violent history is more the result of violent cultures and or their leadership

Word?

We forgot the Mongols already? Aztecs, Inca, Mayans?

Fact is civilization is a thin membrane that scales when there is an understanding and social contract that participants agree to in order to rock out... coope

Humans kill... a lot esp when resources are scarce... men do the most of it.

Toxic masculinity is simply to poor a idea to address a fundamental to our make up..

is something those other cultures have not seemed to match with whatever violent campaigns they undertook

also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's violence or do we blame those who lead it?

>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>

Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll up

>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's
>violence or do we blame those who lead it?

Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the "consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages right? the consensus created them.

There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed unto you.

I think that violence has gone down as we march forward incorporating more and more people into the whole. The consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the whole so it is looked at negatively.

The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus. So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

to my reading are the most unique and both have religion at or near the center.

Had the Islamic Arabs of North East Africa not engaged in their campaign the now "middle or near east" would not have the infrastructure that aided Europe in it's rise and subsequent further destroying of the cultures within the larger continent

>>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>>
>
>Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll
>up

Yeah I hear that. Hindsight is not our friend

>>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for
>it's
>>violence or do we blame those who lead it?
>
>Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the
>"consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the
>consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages
>right? the consensus created them.
>
>There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed
>unto you.
>
>I think that violence has gone down as we march forward
>incorporating more and more people into the whole. The
>consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the
>whole so it is looked at negatively.

That is an interesting view. I wonder. At the same time people can be led into things they normally wouldn't engage in if they can be successfully manipulated


>The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens
>in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus.
>So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can
>change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

Yeah totally agress

Why does a dispute between 2 people that had a nuance of its own regress into a generalization?

oh, you think black people are perfect?


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I think you misread. We agree on the subject.

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everybody should be held accountable for their bullshit,
people do seem to dismiss nuance to make a situation that they aren't privy to sound like a larger issue that fits their agenda.
Its like if I were to paint you as a seething asshole, that wouldn't be accurate because you are a complex human being and your thoughts and positions come from a spectrum that I don't have access to.

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when you wake up in the morning, or do you wait a while and then get to the concussing?

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There is toxic femininity, though we don't use that phrase, but it doesn't result in gang violence. It results in other not healthy ways like, idk, being a thot, tearing down other women emotionally, chasing terrible dudes, etc.

I don't think acknowledging toxic masculinity as thing means women don't have their own set of problems. Our problems are particular to us though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

women exhibit violence towards each other often and I've seen it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying causes are exactly the same

Nipsey Hussle.

An argument you can only make online because you'd be laughed out the room IRL.

Stop bruh.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The underlying emotional traumas and voids that lead to violence in gangs are the same regardless of what form the gang takes or the environment in which it exists

this is mad disrespectful and disingenuous. Get the fuck out of here.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

not putting down the very human need to belong to something but there are parallels when it comes to the nature of the violence in both groups. Streets aren't needed to form a gang

I've seen
>it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying
>causes are exactly the same


If your average woman was actually capable of beating up your average man you'd see way more women doing so.

It happens now to some extent if you find the right/wrong set of people.


I think female on male domestic violence is greatly underreported, another symptom of "toxic masculinity" since Dudes aren't trained to see Women as physical threats

change how their behavior mimics others?

...can't believe OKP would bamm up a murder post...

better to use toxic masculinity so you can PRETEND you care while engaging in america's fave pasttime of beating black men over the head

only when the topic is Black men, is their masculinity the cause of violence.
Not mental health, or poverty, or community decay, or lack of conflict resolution skills.
It's our dicks.
The fact that people ca't see how nakedly racist this is is wild to me

lol

mofos so mad at the term they can't just discuss how tragic it is that a well-deserved snub by nipsey to a fellow 60 led to the man actually embodying the running sentiments against him and upping the anti of not only being a snitch but a murderous coward

as dave east said in an interview

if there was beef, there are ways to handle it within your crew

call a fade nigga

he ran back to his car and blew that man away

saw no one was coming and went back to shoot him in the head, then kicked his body

then tried to turn himself into a mental health facility

couldn't even stand up behind what he'd done

i fight against my instincts of hubris, black identity dismantling, imposter syndrome and self-righteousness daily

all while trying to reevaluate and heal from what I learned as a youngster

so i know the ways i can or have expressed myself can be toxic to people i know, love, work with and are around

and i can sometimes support other toxic masculinity

it's a daily thing

i also believe that patriarchy is a systemic tool to oppress and destroy the strides of women

as a sidenote

black men are out here killing children for the belief they may be gay, black men are out here killing trans black women at alarming rates

white supremacy and patriarchy has us expressing toxic masculinity in destructive ways to our own and to others

it's quickly becoming yet another way to label Black men.
I refuse to rock with that.
Y'all can...
But not me...
We got enough labels on our issues....not need to manufacture more coded language...
And the SAD part is that we're buying into the bullshit...

After She Told Him To Stop Yelling At Other Women On Subway

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/subway_woman_nose_break.php?fbclid=IwAR3FtRr60iMDIRZO4b25OsjbzDM8xgEA-0cYccURKsllopDhGHbrypjJyuE

Storage Unit Believed To Be Missing Teacher


http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/missing_teacher_staten_island.php

Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women In Prospect Park

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/prospect_park_assault_nypd.php

, Then Hitting Him With Metal Lock

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/01/man_arrested_for_throwing_subway_ri.php

http://gothamist.com/2019/03/29/police_arrest_man_accused_of_shovin.php

http://gothamist.com/2019/03/25/police_arrest_man_subway_kick.php

http://gothamist.com/2019/03/21/sucker_punch_video_nypd.php

https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community

Shit is high.. much higher than heterosexual stats.

I’ve never not known a gay person who hasn’t been abused or had to physically fight at least one SO.

of thinking about IPV/abuse is just an outright lie.
It's way more nuanced and bi-directional than it's presented. ESPECIALLY in Black communities.
All the data says so, too.
Hence, there's no easy way to explain same-sex abuse being insanely high among gay woman, other than "toxic masculinity".
Which is obviously bullshit

...

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

I’ve seen some serious hands being thrown by women and a man ain’t have shit to do with the relationship.

but toxic masculinity is also called "hegemonic masculinity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_masculinity

The particular normative form of masculinity that is the most honoured way of being a man, which requires all other men to position themselves in relation to it, is known as hegemonic masculinity. Originally, hegemonic masculinity was understood as the pattern of practice that allowed men's dominance over women to continue. In Western society, the dominant form of masculinity or the cultural ideal of manhood was primarily reflective of white, heterosexual, largely middle-class males. The ideals of manhood espoused by the dominant masculinity suggested a number of characteristics that men are encouraged to internalize into their own personal codes and which form the basis for masculine scripts of behaviour. These characteristics include: violence and aggression, stoicism (emotional restraint), courage, toughness, physical strength, athleticism, risk-taking, adventure and thrill-seeking, competitiveness, and achievement and success. Hegemonic masculinity is not completely dominant, however, as it only exists in relation to non-hegemonic, subordinated forms of masculinity. The most salient example of this approach in contemporary European and American society is the dominance of heterosexual men and the subordination of homosexual men. This was manifested in political and cultural exclusion, legal violence, street violence, and economic discrimination. Gay masculinity was the most conspicuous subordinated masculinity during this period of time, but not the only one. Heterosexual men and boys with effeminate characteristics ran the risk of being scorned as well.

here is the definition of misogyny from wikipedia

Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny manifests in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, disenfranchisement of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. Misogyny can be found within sacred texts of religions, mythologies, and Western philosophy and Eastern philosophy.





America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

We have to stop treating like infants who aren’t responsible for their actions.

This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.

The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell) created the term as a part of her work in exploring the nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite factors influeunce the reification of gender.

In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them because they are chasing something antithetical to their material conditions and unachievable.

It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities" is actually pretty damn good, btw

http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html

I mean damn, he just chopped yall's whole concept up from the root.
The least yall can do is thank him for the class.
I know the drill tho. I've pointed out the same thing before.
They always pretend they didn't see it and continue the ignorance that further study into Connell's work would easily eliminate.


>This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.
>
>The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell)
>created the term as a part of her work in exploring the
>nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a
>part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic
>masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite
>factors influeunce the reification of gender.
>
>In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about
>Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds
>mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them
>because they are chasing something antithetical to their
>material conditions and unachievable.
>
>It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it
>and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities"
>is actually pretty damn good, btw
>
>http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html
>

Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this post

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>Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this
>post

Untrue. But I've seen how you'll drop out the convo once you're truly challenged and proven wrong.

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toxic masculinity exists in same sex relationships also

LoL

WTF

the ways that toxic masculinity is displayed by black men has a particular race dynamic but the term is used to describe certain male behaviors

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and are used in the science of the study of human behavior

Everyone wins with this outlook except those that are ignorant and or want people to be

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but it would be nice

toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic human who deserves to be shunned.

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response for some reason and it doesn't make sense.

No one's hurt...



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept. "what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch.

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>I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general
>ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept.

The concept is simple when addressed as emotional security. An emotionally secure man is seen as Masculine and attractive so it is impossible for that to be toxic in nature


>"what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the
>arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

Huh? Not sure where I made statements of that nature

>My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a
>bitch.

I'm sure this is more jest than anything else, but

losing patience

coupled with

my toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch

reads like someone is in their feelings

on a fundamental level

if Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey then using that logic it could be said that it's what decimated the Native Americans as well because that was an endeavor led by a lot of men with the safety of the women they likely abused (and did) being used as one of the many justifications

Toxic Masculinity killed John Lennon should be just as valid a statement right?

It toxic masculinity is a thing then toxic infancy should be one as well since children can naturally be quite narcissistic and that's considered a toxic behavior

>toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic
>type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's
>not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic
>human who deserves to be shunned.

Black people being born inferior was a VERY academic type of discussion so for me that is not a strong validator

Why would I take personally a phrase that literally makes no sense?

Honestly that comes across as projection and I think my sense of that is supported by logic either missing from this discourse or having no impact meaning one of us is speaking from their emotions which is cool, but not the way I'm able to look at this subject

if you take a week or two and read the actual literature you can see how gender, like race, plays a role in all of those simple ass rhetorical questions you just asked. If frances cress welsing called it "toxic masculinity" you wouldn't have as much of a problem with the term.

Scientific racism and misandry says that black men are biologically disposable.
You can see that this is the opposite of scientific racism in that black men are being asked to stop being so violent towards each other and the women they love. The genocide that is being perpetrated against Black men and women by other Black men is not being led by the Feminist men. Male feminists aren't the ones saying Black men are biologically disposable.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

To really believe or think that if a so called black woman held a belief then I wouldn't have a problem with it makes zero sense

Also it sounds like someone is dare I say gaslighting themselves? Hopefully not since that behavior is also narcissisitic and toxic and if you're male...

So this is obviously an emotional issue for you. I understand and you may be more right than wrong. Who knows?

Neither masculinity or femininity can be toxic

It's the person's emotional state

and what's definied as "toxic" is conditional

The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

And you can easily rattle off a list of links of incidents of women being horrifically violent to men women and children, as well.

Violence exists.
It's not gendered.
The *punishment* of the perps of violence is gendered, tho.

The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

which is why they aren't the same word.

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they just don't get some basics

so.......

Besides part of speech

a person cannot be masculinity.

this is a hint.

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Why are you speaking in riddles? lol

>a person cannot be masculinity.
>
>this is a hint.
>
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and don't mean the same thing, then sure?

It's not a riddle.

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https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

eclipsedInI: you seem like you have a functioning brain. Can you fill me in?

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as a method of resolving emotional conflicts?

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or feminine not toxic versions of those ideals

Black men tend to behave MORE feminine under WS due to black men being taken out of the fathering and husband role for centuries

Emotional thinking and behaving is a feminine trait and when men take on feminine traits greater than their natural allotment of such the result is dysfunction and it's the same for women but with masculinity

Mofos get emotional-as-hell as soon as you start asking questions. Then accuse YOU of being emotional. I see ya'll.

Folks can't and won't define the bullshit ideas they accept, but get emotional when someone evens questions it. If not being "toxic" means I gotta renounce my manhood, tuck my balls in and be a follower then fuck it.

Some of y'all "men" seem like y'all hate manhood and masculinity. That's a step away from hating yourself.

Fuck it tho. Y'all keep arguing against your own self interests. Allow others to label you. Tell you how you really are. What you *really* meant by what you said. About all the evil shit that you *really* think. How fucked-up you really are, no matter what you do.

lol.

and you aren't open to doing more research on your own

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

...and not logical reasoning. Including your reply, in-which you decided to tell me about myself.

The EXACT thing I said in the post you replied to. Passive-aggressive "attack the messenger."

That technique only works on the weak minded.


Edit: Also, what "answers to my questions?" Other than RJCC's insults, Marbles is the only person to directly answer me (who gave a reasonable, thought-out answer, by the way).

>you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your
>questions

Just more attempts at being misleading. Intellectual dishonesty. It's all in the post.

Which I don't automatically disagree with because propagandists do use the term to advocate for gender equality.

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Nipsey Hussle wasn't even dead for a week and yet this writer with an agenda decides to use him to attack the black community.

Toxic Masculinity is bullshit because it never applies to white people. Notice the people in power never label/attack other communities as toxic.

Every time I see this term it is used to attack black men. It's ironic as fuck coming from someone looking for "allies" within their ethnic group. You cannot shame a community into accepting the white lgbtia agenda. On one hand black men are evil toxic masculine monsters and literally in the other hand they try to latch onto black men to pursue an agenda that benefits them. You, black gay writer, need to stop this bullshit. Where's the asian gay writer attacking his community?

Can someone show me examples of famous white entertainers with fanbases used to attack their larger community as toxic upon death? This writer is disgusting for this bullshit. I'm noticing a trend between this writer and Richy Rosario authoer of an article blaming black men for rushing to support an actor that faked a hate crime.

George M. Johnson is fucking trash. RIP Nipsey.

Not black men.

there's no race division

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has a screed about Black men fucking "thier" women somewhere in their recent online history, and use it as a justification for why they murder multiple innocents.

Next to no referendums on how posionous their manhoods are, somehow.

Obama uses rap and gold chains as examples of unhealthy masculinity...while wearing a $4K rolex, after spending 8 years bombing the shit out of poverty stricken African nations for business interests.

Shit is transparently a racist ideology, in it's pop culture application

if you say toxic masculinity is only used in relation to black men, it's because the only time you've ever heard of it is watching some dusty niggas in a youtube video

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call out these crazy white boys all damn day

and the black women on twitter who continually call out the knuckledraggers and maga idiots

also gay men, or trans black women calling out white and black toxicity and homophobia daily

notice who isn't included in that

white/black men who identify as straight

only a few spend their time calling out idiots.

of any woman


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unedited

we talked about that three days ago after he sent me a link about the illinois house approving the teaching of lgbt history in schools. Nigga said he would homeschool his kids. I asked him the last book he read. "Reading books isn't my preference. I get my knowledge through videos and museums."

I mentioned that his not reading was a problem a few months ago because the nigga said he thought sandy hook was a conspiracy.

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...but they haven't read a book in 20 years to even know what the terms mean to start with, and the only version of any argument they've seen has come from the scammers pitching some heavily edited version of what the other side is saying.

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Anti-intellectualism is also a part of toxic masculinity.

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and also mourn him

and people are allowed to mourn how they choose to

it may be hurtful to some, but watching all of the stories of LGBT people being killed at such high rates & especially black trans women while famous rappers doing the good work can't extend that to their LGBT brethren in their lyrics or deeds is tragic

it deserves to be called out

you may feel different and that's fine, but it is what it is.

but certain folks choosing this time to call him out can be distasteful to some

i just wish the "no homo" would die

i say pause also, ironically at this point

but i do it as an ally

ya'll just be deifying everyone & can't accept any criticism

but it'll all be okay in the end

sheesh

I’m not up on his content but what I heard from the Victory album was mostly LA gang thug ish

https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter/

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

but he was talking about another thing. I don't think Deray was wrong for calling him out and I do think that Nipsey could have said "Gay and Straight" instead of "not homo" but Nipsey clearly wanted to push back against an agenda that makes straight Black men be seen as a danger to all.

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it's a method of dehumanization that includes being indifferent to the suffering of gay people

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Like I mentioned below, maybe Nipsey didn't have the most educated perspective but it did not appear that he was taking shots or was intentionally looking to harm anyone with his statement/IG caption.

He attempted to acquit himself via the convo with Deray. Apparently, it didn't work because this has come up again since his death. Sadly, none of us knew the cat personally. So, we'll never know his true and current stance on the topic.

Was deray being disingenuous?


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guy for what he believes in. After reading through it again, it would have been much better had they gotten to each other, in person, as opposed to doing their best to articulate their points within that limited character set.

I do think, as stated in the piece, that it was a bit far-fetched to label the brother as homophobic. And I think that Nipsey's perspective may have been a little off-base as well because I see tons of representation, of Black men, from all walks of life. At the same time, I can't dispute his experience because he may not have been looking at the same things that I was.

"While the LBGTQ community are indeed still fighting for rights, describing Nipsey’s words as “violent” and “homophobic” are a stretch.

Stating that Blacks don’t have as many straight, positive, non-violent representations may be unfounded and baseless, but it’s an observation, and it does not mean he’s against the cause."

>homophobia is like racism

Show me the homophobic equivalent of Jim Crow... I'll wait.
Show me an impact on the same level as the war on drugs... I'll wait.

This isn't remotely a close comparison in any capacity. Feel free to kumbaya all you want but facts say you're wrong. Recent history reinforces the fact you're wrong.

Homophobia is not equivalent to racism and that is an insult to Black American history. Next thing I know you're going to champion intersectionality.

It doesn't require a fucking direct one to one comparison.

I will link you up to how gays and lesbians were denied the right to get married like Black people, they currently face job discrimination because of their sexual orientation, they were put in jail or concentration camps for being gay, there is a cultural whitewash through so called gay conversion therapy, niggas in brunei just passed a law saying you can stone gay people to death...

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It ain't apples and oranges, it's apples and telecom sattelites.
It's a nonsensical analogy, that the largely white, upper class LBGT movement tries to shove down our throats to make them seem NOT white & rich.

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to put every black comedian in a dress?

...with the supporting clips to demonstrate that point...

AND, 1 MORE X FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK

WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HIS MURDER?!?

was he also violentphobic

single mother phobic

?

I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic masculinity.

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>I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic
>masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying
>to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could
>talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have
>taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic
>masculinity.

I don't think homophobia has anything to do with his death, and making it about that... is some "he was gonna tell us about Dr. Sebi" shit.

the toxic masculinity discussion is fair to me. a little ambulance chase-y, but it applies.

the following caption to a photo that is no longer on his IG.

"Demonstration speaks louder than Conversation. They gone feed us every image of our men and boys but this one. No hyper violent...No homo sexual...No abandoners....JUS STRONG BLAC MEN AND YOUNG Men. RESPECT TO MY BIG HOMIE @bigu1 for Leading with love and intelligence. GOD IS WITH US WHO CAN GO AGAINST US 💪🏾"

https://www.theroot.com/nipsey-hussle-homophobia-and-toxic-black-masculinity-1821954848

I don't know if that means he was homophobic or not. It does mean he had an opinion about contributing factors that feed the public's perception of Black men. Maybe not the most educated view but not one that appears to berate, degrade, or reprove anyone for their sexuality.

I can see it being interpreted that way. Can't say if that's being implied or not

https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter

didn't seem to be taking a shot. Then, I read the exchange found in this link and definitely didn't think dude was homophobic.

IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

> IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

stop with the toxic masculinity bs.

not a coincidence that RJCC as usual is in this thread losing his mind about folks loathing it

white people hating the term "white privilege".

point being, its real, its a perfectly descriptive phrase, and you should listen and learn what it is, how to root it out of yourself and others and stop trying to deny it exists because you're triggered by it.

If you're actually interested in learning about it, there's a fantastic documentary called "The Mask You Live In", as well as tons of other resources.

if you're not, keep complaining about how much you hate hearing about it.

It's harmful and it kills whether you like the phrase, or not.

and finally, masculinity is beautiful and wonderful and sexy as fuck. but toxic masculinity is a cancer that needs to be rooted out of society and men should be on the FRONT LINES to make that happen. Instead, alot of y'all are burying your heads in the sand and pretending like it doesn't exist, and that you weren't taught it and that you NEVER EVER perpetuate it in any form.

ok.


d

It's like calling bad ideas or self destructive behavior "toxic creativity"

listen and learn.

White people don't get to soften white privilege to make it more palatable as a phrase and men don't get to soften toxic masculinity

its ugly and it needs to be dealt with head on

masculinity can take many forms...and all those forms are acceptable except the toxic ones. periodt. with a capital T.

d

The toxic behavior men and women engage in comes from insecurity. If people wanted to actually address the issue it would sound more like that, but instead people want to point fingers at genders when men and women both are responsible for not providing what children need to grow into secure adults who are not toxic in their behavior

Trying to cure a cold by dealing with the sound of a cough is how it currently comes across

imagine sitting through suicide squad and trying to like it LOL


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Niggas will do anything for a dollar.

and the publisher needs clicks

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There are men in every country. If toxic masculinity was the only factor behind acts like this, murder rates would be roughly the same in every country. What is the argument, that America is somehow several degrees more patriarchal than most westernized countries? There is no empirical data that proves that. Think deeper.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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Am i supposed to just ignore what is clearly in front of my face?

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American gender is racialized and capitalized/monetized, on top of the natural variance that sex (M/F) already naturally has due to human difference. So no, you can't just sprinkle some "toxic masculinity' on American violence to make it make sense, lol.

The combination of all those moving pieces makes a concept like "toxic masculinity" as it's used, laughably inadequate.

I sensationalized it to get clicks and look what happened

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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

that tries to use the word absolutist to win arguments without ever knowing its definition

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Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

Goose?

>Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in
>reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

you want to try and stomp me out, come through.

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lolz

and that varying murder rates -- that I don't think you're actually looking up

are the only statistic mentionable?

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(which is what the gov't is.. toxic white masculinity)
But I've noticed that hasn't been mentioned much in here... nor is it a choice on the poll. What we DO have in here are folks rushing to reduce this to some everyday occurrence of "black-on-black crime" even tho this situation is far from normal, considering the way he was shot, the fact that the getaway driver wasn't even arrested (no, seriously), and the shooter is an informant. Nipsey was signed to a major record label and was also pushing multiple messages that are bad business for the maintenance of white supremacy. Black people buying land/buying the block up and starting businesses, eating healthier, getting black folks into coding, buying appreciating assets, ending gang violence. To that last point, he wrote a letter to the police department requesting a meeting to work on solutions to gang violence (he was killed a day or two before that meeting was to take place, btw). He was so thorough that denying him would be far too obvious. But some of yall will buy it hook, line, and sinker if another black person kills him, because you hate yourselves that goddamn much. Even when the killer works for them. If you're just totally convinced that this was some random shooting, then you should probably do yourself a favor and read up on how black revolutionaries have been killed by the gov't in the past. This situation doesn't pass the smell test. Also, nbcnews can kiss my ass putting out this "toxic black masculinity" garbage when they have zero articles about "toxic white masculinity" which has been around long before white pseudoscience even classified Black males as men. That's right, the concept of black manhood and womanhood are barely a century old in this country... which should inform and change how some of yall view this "toxicity" concept and the real source of it, but I know how most of yall get down. Blaming the black male is white supremacy's most consistent scapegoat route, and the bulk of you niggas are right on board on some de facto white supremacist bullshit. Shout out to the 4 or 5 trill people left on here putting enough respect on Nip's name to question what REALLY happened here.

yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was probably working for the police. The police and the military (and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the family unit, to a global scale.

The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role, however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by white supremacists and developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence.

People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated with sexism will allow us to do so.

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>yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was
>probably working for the police. The police and the military
>(and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the
>worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of
>white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the
>family unit, to a global scale.



Well at least one of you can admit that much.


>The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused
>here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role,
>however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police
>and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion
>to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors
>being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by
>white supremacists and developed in reaction to white
>patriarchal violence.


Your conclusion here is problematic. Black culture is not simply bastardized by white supremacists, but terrorized, tortured, oppressed, vultured, monitored and ultimately controlled by white supremacists. Also, to say that Nipsey's murder is the result of a Black culture that was developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence, is to say that Black culture is nothing but violent and murderous. This is problematic because many great accomplishments by many great people were indeed reactions to white patriarchal violence. THAT is the Black culture created in reaction to white patriarchal violence. What you seem to be addressing is the culture that is terrorized, oppressed, controlled, etc. The truth is that this kind of violence is born of extreme poverty and scarcity. Crime rates rise under these conditions. As I mentioned in my original comment, when you consider the peculiar way in which Black males and females have historically been treated concerning gender in this country up to the present, you get a myriad of issues. To place any blame at all on the black community itself is, essentially, to victim blame... which is pretty ironic given the topic here. You cannot fix the black community without fixing the terrorism of the community. The problem is white terrorism, white patriarchy, white toxic masculinity, all the white shit.


>People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic
>masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see
>Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated
>with sexism will allow us to do so.

The quote from the article doesn't just say "toxic masculinity." It says "toxic black masculinity" which was part of my issue, seeing how nbcnews.com doesn't have articles talking about toxic WHITE masculinity. If you gonna victim-blame black people for their own oppression, at least blame them last after you spend all the decades it'll take to talk about the fault of white people. To that end, Black people rushing to victim-blame Black people is, indeed, self-hatred and de facto white supremacist action. White folks been making up pseudoscience to blame Black people for centuries now. It's like they said it for hundreds of years until certain negros actually believe it.

Yuuuuup.

Of patriarchy and sexism in ourselves and our communities, otherwise we will continue to project the white supremacists distorted views of masculinity into the people and places we love.

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>Of patriarchy and sexism in ourselves and our communities,
>otherwise we will continue to project the white supremacists
>distorted views of masculinity into the people and places we
>love.


Keep in mind that you yourself said Black culture was "bastardized BY white supremacists and created in reaction to patriarchal violence." I expounded upon that in my reply, but let's just stick with what you've said. There are two concepts at play within your own statement: white supremacy and patriarchy. These are concepts of domination and control which Black American lives have always been subject to and in the context of.
To the point:
For something to "bastardize" your culture, that means it INTENTIONALLY lowers the quality of your life. Please follow me here. This is why I mentioned crime rates statistically being higher in poor areas. Black poverty and scarcity is INTENTIONALLY created by white supremacy in many ways that are baked into American society. It's on autopilot. White people don't even have to think about how they're harming Black people. They don't have to be intentional about it. Most people just follow the culture they're born into, and bastardizing OUR culture is baked into THEIR culture. That said, sure, Black people can be 'woke' and work on ourselves within our oppression. However, to truly rid our community and culture of the symptoms of white terrorism, we have to end white terrorism. Just as white people don't have to think about how their culture bastardizes ours because it's baked into their culture, Black people collectively also should not have to think about equality and basic survival the way we do. It should be as normal as it is for white folks. Of course that's not our reality in America, but that's what the fight should be for... not simply to HAVE to be something beyond human so that we can live normal, healthy lives. White supremacy and white patriarchy have to be handled, because this is the context in which our communities exist. You said it yourself that they have the power to "bastardize" our culture. Them having that power means we're not in control of the direction of our COLLECTIVE communities. You're essentially talking respectability politics which we've seen does not work. This also falsely assumes that Black men haven't BEEN out here doing work in our communities since the end of slavery and is lightweight offensive.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything-can-be-anything

a great episode on conspiracy theories

especially Jelani Cobb's jawnt on the deaths of ferguson activists

>

Dr. Sebi is a little out there for me but a lot of these anti-vaxers are totally convinced the government is performing massive tuskeegee experiments.

and Chris Dorner's manifesto and wild murder spree is what got me tripping.

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the government seems out there to me.

Also the government would have a much easier means to neutralize him like they do so many similar situated black men, harras him and arrest him on trumped up bullshit charges.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Not only was that not the only reason I listed, but if the gov't wanna get rid of a gang member, what's the easiest thing you niggas will believe? Oh nvm.

Even said you can't read books anymore, so you've long made a fool of yourself and anyone who's dumb enough to consistently agree with you.
This silly response of yours is just more of you throwing everything in the same pot that falls outside of your extremely uninformed worldview. Since you already know you're dumb and want to be a part of the conversation, you could at least do so with some humility, yet you choose to be arrogantly dumb. What level of fuck niggadry are you trying to reach? You're currently about maxed out.





And stop sending me PM's telling me you fuck with me and then saying bullshit like this to me in public. If you fuck with me, you can show it by respecting my viewpoints enough to read them like I'm an individual and actually replying to what I'm saying rather than trying to antagonize. If not, skydive without a parachute.

so not only did reply 1 not mention "toxic white masculinity" but it came off like lip service when shit hit the fan, especially when you can cosign statements like
> Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks
>do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.
White folks aren't disconnected from those things, yet white patriarchy is hegemonic, meaning only a certain (white) group of males is included. Other males are termed "subordinate" and are targeted for subjugation and/or elimination. So this idea yall keep submitting is deeply flawed. There's a really good reason Black men react this way to being called patriarchal, and when you consider the historical labeling of black males as rapists and beasts, even while black males were enslaved, there's really good reason why we don't react well to being called "toxic" by a society that has always treated us as toxic regardless of how we've conducted ourselves... and that continues to happen. The only difference now is that some of our own are Team White Supremacy and have joined this centuries-long jihad against us.

ADOS Black people (especially the men) have been fighting against oppression and stereotypes to be autonomous & self-defined entities whole time we've been here.
But put the same white supremacist concepts of Black male inhumanity in a "liberal" framework, and we're supposed to accept it uncritically.
FOH

*Daps*

on a screed about it.
On top of that, why are you not thanking reply 18 as well if you don't agree with the article specifically calling Black men toxic? You just gonna overlook that part of the article and not check it, then pretend you're not with it, even tho you're in here cosigning ppl who obviously are? You're being completely dishonest.

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Ever notice that your contributions to actual discussion hover right around 0% ?

But I'd be shocked if women picked up guns and went out solving problems with their index fingers anywhere NEAR the rate that men do.

Not saying that NEVER happens obviously, although angry women seem to go for more devious/less abrupt means of revenge

I think it goes back to childhood when boys were having toy guns and GI Joe being marketed to them and women were given Barbies and easy bake ovens and shit. That plus lack of access to mental health, extremely easy access to guns= here we are.

Not really sure why that article is trying to tie homophobia into Nipsey's murder, it seems like the writer wanted to write about that subject and thought this would be a good way to get eyes on his story since Nipsey's death caught a lot of people's attention

I understand people feeling some type of way about that IG comment but he's dead now and we don't have any reason to believe it had to do with that

That psychological warfare.

not mine

stating a fact, doesn't categorize or color it

you did.

...that's emotionally charged.

https://www.facebook.com/1588520728079579/posts/2262955920636053?sfns=mo

Thank you for finding this clip.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

JOKING LADIES!

I'm sure you're just as talented at driving/being an accessory to murder as any Man

"I think it goes back to childhood when boys were having toy guns and GI Joe being marketed to them and women were given Barbies and easy bake ovens and shit. That plus lack of access to mental health, extremely easy access to guns= here we are."


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that would suggest that if I felt you were disagreeing with me, I would not mention that?

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make 'us' all pay. That's the only way I see how the term 'toxic masculinity' can be attached to something so unrelated and why it seems to mostly apply to Black men. They really tried to dismantle it (explicit hip hop) during the Golden Era but lacked the proper movement and terminology to gain traction. Times change 30 years later and now is the time to strike and really make an impact. Whenever something tragic happens to somebody and a Black male is involved, and especially within the hip hop community, it must be due to toxic masculinity. They tried that logic with NWA/etc., back in the day but instead of silencing them, it made them stronger. Now that lgbtqia got their weight up, white supremacy is back to being more open, and feminism is stronger, they can hit their targets and leave a mark. Or better yet, wipe them out completely. Lgbtqia can hit rappers like NWA....or hip hop in general. They tried with Eminem but failed. With Black artists they will probably succeed. White supremacists will hit rappers like Public Enemy, Kweli or 'conscious' hip hop. Feminists will hit rappers like Too Short/Ice-T/2LC. These groups are not separate but very intersectional where you can have a white supremacist, feminist, lesbian.

Speaking of 30 years, how is the defendant Eric Holder being represented by Chris Darden? Does Eric have bread like that? And is it really toxic masculinity if the defendant is mentally ill?

We all have issues but toxic masculinity does not apply here.
And if you are going to use it, apply it to all. Duke rape cases, heavy metal music, police shootings, school shootings, church shootings, church burnings, lynchings, Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, President 45, Walt Disney films, Western films, etc. I should've seen that term 'toxic masculinity' all over the place then....not just now.

RIP Nipsey Hussle

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my goal is accomplished.

so west coast music is the reason gang violence and toxic masculinity exist?!?!

LOL

you read the subject title but didn't bother to read the rest. it is not what i said at all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/

Jokers are all over the place arguing and missing the main point. As a culture, we need to reevaluate our value for human life and focus on that aspect first. Jesus help us.



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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

>Jokers are all over the place arguing and missing the main
>point. As a culture, we need to reevaluate our value for human
>life and focus on that aspect first. Jesus help us.

The culture that leads to "Black-on-Black Crime?"

the value of black life is treated with short worth

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Black culture is not a culture of violence. That is some racist logic there.


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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

...as well as all sorts of horrible individual news stories where black people are committing crimes (like folks in this post are doing).

I could blurt out how 24 people were shot in 30 hours in Chicago the other day.


You see where this is going, and how it relates?

Black culture is not a culture of violence. For you to even try to make that point shows a lot.

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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

>Black culture is not a culture of violence. For you to even
>try to make that point shows a lot.

I made THE SAME argument for "Culture of Violence" that people have made for "Toxic Masculinity." Even talking about using THE SAME examples.

You dismiss one but accept the other, although the arguments for them are the same (who commits all the crimes?).


Says a lot that this simple comparison flew right over your head, man.

I made a clear statement about how "we need to reevaluate our value for human life and focus on that aspect first."

You asked is I was talking about a "Culture of Violence" and linked it to Black-on-Black Crime, and I was talking about Black people and our culture, which is not a culture of violence.

You then proceeded to try to argue against a point that I never made.

So miss me with thinking something flew over my head.


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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

every single one of us lol

including me...bc even if i wasn't before today...i read through this stupidity

niggas legit mad at a term bc they feel it targets them and then resist the comparisons to how white folks get up in arms about white privilege

legs talking about women cheating as their version of toxicity as if the scariest part of that scenario isn't who is going to be shot first by the one of the male parties...the guy or the cheating woman? (obvious exaggeration)

some things can be conceded...yes...humans are pretty toxic regardless of gender and yes women can display masculine traits and hence engage in many of the same brands of toxicity...we don't have a monopoly on toxic masculinity

some of the toxicity is cultural while others "feel" like shit we just evolved beyond needing that we can't quite weed out so blaming black male toxicity on white male toxicity also feels like yet another "not I" moment

where the fuck is the rapture at man?

>

The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.
--Malcolm X


Social media is "media." It's "stupid" to not look at how these language games could possibly fit into the bigger picture.

I came back in here to offer e'rybopdy some hoecakes because the entire thing is bananas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msbo6TiwA5A

We can't even, at these more mature ages, have conversations without the ad hominem. Phuck all the other fallacies. This is the one that derails more conversations than any.

It's some legit smart folks in here but mofos can't have civil conversations to save their toxic ass lives.

How many topics have come here to die smh

People feel enlarged when they skewer someone

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>niggas legit mad at a term bc they feel it targets them and
>then resist the comparisons to how white folks get up in arms
>about white privilege

You cannot even have a conversation about masculinity, what toxic masculinity is, and how the ways we are raised to "be men" are harmful to our communities and ourselves without niggas getting too hurt to even see past the supposed "attack" on who they are.


And I'm out, cuz the hounds finna be on me for using that opening statement that triggers them so much.

conclusions that follow, for a variety of reasons

Vs.

people who buy the premise and conclusion, but can't accept the idea that the first group exists in good faith. Those who disagree can only do so because of their adherence to the concept in question.

hella dogmatic, really.

I think what you're saying could really have expanded this conversation to how white supremacists perpetrate toxic masculinity through the criminal justice system, former prosecutors turned criminal defense lawyers, the use of confidential informants, policing by city cops in black neighborhoods, ubiquitous gun culture, etc. We could have really talked about white men throughout this whole damn post.

We could have had a good discussion about nbc news is a bastion of toxic masculinity due to its consistent push for global war demonizing arab men as terrorists, protection of sexual predators like Matt Lauer and Donald Trump, etc. The ENTIRE POST could have been about toxic masculinity in white culture. Did toxic masculinity convince the LAPD to let the woman who was Eric Holder's getaway driver go? Was she manipulated by Eric Holder or was she a willing participant in a hit?

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

That's the point.

Yes, we could have talked about that, if I thought the theory was empirically sound...but I don't, so we didn't.

You could have explored why the people in the thread doubt the theory by asking them to explain their position, but you didn't, cuz clearly we're heretics/toxic males to have doubt.

Shit's kinda fascinating, really. The degree to which your position mirrors one of faith-based belief is wild.

Which clearly boils down to black men assuming the term is a tool of gays, feminists, and racists to demonize black men for existing. I can definitely see that perspective no matter how much I disagree with the idea because so many of the detractors are indifferent to the struggles of gays and women.

We couldn't talk about any of those gendered aspects of the American criminal justice system because black men think about hiphop the same way that white people think about the police. Black men think hiphop is a bastion of raw energy and mental acuity that shouldn't be criticized by women, gays, whites, black people from the suburbs who have never really been to the hood and could never understand the level of realness it takes to be an officer in the gang infested ghettos of black america, etc. Hiphop is so connected to Black male identity that even the questioning of how it plays a role in the spread of white supremacy and the behaviors associated with toxic masculinity, it's like you're talking to a blue lives matter nigga.

I'm not saying any of this as if I'm above it. I'm saying that it is in me too. Like clipse said, it's in him too!

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Black men & boys and hip hop is a stereotype, tho, lol
People look sideways at white folks & buppies cuz they claim people sell drugs/kill cuz rap music, and not cuz of poverty, PTSD or mental illness
But all REAL sociology and criminology, and economics says the opposite.
Poverty affects us way more than music does
Poverty affects us more than gender/"toxic masculinity" does.

I dont think people are coming in guns blazing...I just think they've turned around a concept thats almost *exclusively * used against us and see it's flaws *shrug*. Ain't nothing wrong with critical analysis.

Sexually harrassing his coworkers?

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Are we now saying that "toxic masculinity" is when any man, anywhere, committs a crime or abuses power?

If so, that makes even less sense. Because then we're just creating a new term for male perpetrated crimes, and halfway assigning criminality to men, as a class.

nobody is saying hip hop is the sole vehicle for toxic masculinity

i agree the term is pretty useless overall but mostly bc people aren't good at nuance

toxic machismo might be a better term if for nothing else then bc it's less triggering

but whether you get your dose of toxic masculinity from hiphop, peers, yt...it doesn't matter...it's self-reinforcing...it's a great vehicle for us bc of it's influence

it's influence isn't solely felt by "US" either...it's just a vehicle and their are tons of other vehicles in traffic with it

language is interesting and most of the disagreement with the term seems to center around "but i'm a man" unfortunately

i don't even think the "well, it originally was used in this specific context" bc that's not how language works...it went from micro to macro

if you want to account for triggered folks who get really upset that they may too be part of a problem...go with toxic machismo lol

but it's used to describe some pretty specific patterns and it's not something that men have a monopoly on.

to one gender.

before we get to the problems with the "gender" part, lets look at the behaviors.
Violence? Aggression? Stoicism? Sexual entitlement? Etc, etc, etc.

Well, problem is, almost none of these "toxic" behaviors are universally toxic. Or even universal, lol.
They're contextual.
Stoicism/emotional regulation is a big part of appropriate conflict resolution.
Aggression is a problem until it's time to protect yourself, or pursuit a career goal. Or even approach a woman/man that you're attracted to.
Sexual entitlement is *this* far away from a healthy sense of sexual self-awareness/self-possession.

Etc, etc, etc....if we can't cleary define the "toxic" beyond "we know it when we see it", it's another pointless ass term that we love to toss around to sound smart.

Also re: toxic - the idea that *behaviors* is due to gender or any itrinsic factor doesn't make any sense. People are products of environment. "Maleness" isn't an environmental factor, it's a biological reality. So if we gonna talk about the problems of TM in "gang culture", is the maleness the problem, or the socio-economic shit that put all those pieces in place? PTSD? Poverty? Gentrification?

And to me THAT is the danger of this kind of gender theory...it dsimisses material reality that we KNOW affects people, and replaces it with a murkily definded form of quasi-morality that isn't actionable or consistent or proven to be real.

People aren't "triggered" by the term. People just don't think it makes sense.

I mean look in this discussion, lol
The name calling, dismissals and murky responses, ain't coming from the people who question TM, lol.

If we want to call it machismo, okay, cool...but all the same problems apply.

>to one gender.
>


this has been addressed. masculinity isn't the same as male


>before we get to the problems with the "gender" part, lets
>look at the behaviors.
>Violence? Aggression? Stoicism? Sexual entitlement? Etc, etc,
>etc.
>

some forms of violence have been integrated with social expectations of masculinity which is the whole point...women can be masculine...women do display the same behaviors as men but the numbers are different and they are often discouraged to take on those masculine traits socially while men are often encouraged to. which is why i called it machismo bc that's a part of cultural masculinity...masculinity isn't a biological term...it can be influence by biological imperatives but the emphasis is on the social conditioning

>Well, problem is, almost none of these "toxic" behaviors are
>universally toxic. Or even universal, lol.
>They're contextual.

yea, and in this context they are being deemed harmful or detrimental or toxic

>Stoicism/emotional regulation is a big part of appropriate
>conflict resolution.
>Aggression is a problem until it's time to protect yourself,
>or pursuit a career goal. Or even approach a woman/man that
>you're attracted to.
>Sexual entitlement is *this* far away from a healthy sense of
>sexual self-awareness/self-possession.
>

calling masculinity toxic doesn't make the non-toxic versions of those traits toxic by association...they are toxic when they fit the pattern of men largely being discouraged in the emotional intelligence department and often encouraged or seen as more masculine when those other qualities are used in normal social situations

>Etc, etc, etc....if we can't cleary define the "toxic" beyond
>"we know it when we see it", it's another pointless ass term
>that we love to toss around to sound smart.
>

i don't agree that's how it's being presented

>Also re: toxic - the idea that *behaviors* is due to gender or
>any itrinsic factor doesn't make any sense. People are
>products of environment. "Maleness" isn't an environmental
>factor, it's a biological reality. So if we gonna talk about
>the problems of TM in "gang culture", is the maleness the
>problem, or the socio-economic shit that put all those pieces
>in place? PTSD? Poverty? Gentrification?
>

it's not due to masculinity but the social conditioning/expectations around masculinity

>And to me THAT is the danger of this kind of gender
>theory...it dsimisses material reality that we KNOW affects
>people, and replaces it with a murkily definded form of
>quasi-morality that isn't actionable or consistent or proven
>to be real.
>
>People aren't "triggered" by the term. People just don't think
>it makes sense.
>

yes some people don't comprehend it...doesn't mean it doesn't make sense and yes being defensive is a great way to not get it


>I mean look in this discussion, lol
>The name calling, dismissals and murky responses, ain't coming
>from the people who question TM, lol.
>

that proves nothing lol

>If we want to call it machismo, okay, cool...but all the same
>problems apply.

wat?

A genre of music is your theoretical basis for analyzing Black Male identity.

That's insane. And racist as hell, lol
You're saying 40+ multi-degreed me, 21 year old high school dropout Kodak Black and 30+ nipsey can be sociologically known as the same through a category of music? Your identity is thru rap music?

Nigga.
No.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Do better, bruh.
How you gonna talk all this "toxic masculinity" rahrah, then respond like that?

We clearly not going to agree on this

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

are trying to explain to actual LA dudes about violence in their city.

wow

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he's concerned with looking like he got secret info that nobody else got.

that's all it is.

I wish they expended more energy on doing anything at all.

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>he's concerned with looking like he got secret info that
>nobody else got.

I do have info yall don't have, but it's nothing secret. It's just stuff that yall are too lazy to read and too willing to blame Black men to understand. This is obvious from the ridiculousness yall have spouted in this post.

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That cats like you, Ike, and Clipsed came in with common sense. Shit's crazy., like Ike said the problem is with the Criminal Informant stuff.

This site has gone completely bananas.

The naame side laid down, didn't offer strong rebuttals and counters to kayru99 and Boogie.

Dude said not one thing in here.

I appreciate Ike and eclipse for sharing their original thoughts on this challenging issue.

we just don't care.

you gotta have people for that. you have to establish respectability.

there are steps.

it's a whole thing.

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I understand they need space to vent or whatever, but shit's old. they should be able to do better by now.

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They both suspect foul play.
Ike admittedly ain't no street dude and he only heard stories from his mom about Nipsey's mom. Did know Nipsey at all, so how is his perspective any more relevant than anyone else's? Of course you won't answer this.
My response to the post was also that the situation is worth questioning. The only thing I "explained" to Ike was how his comparison of Black men to white people is deeply flawed.
Of course you don't care how false anything you say is. You've shown in here that you can't even challenge my ideas, so you have to resort to a half-assed attempt at disparaging me, lol. Shit is comedy that you made a whole subthread about me but never made a real contribution to the discussion.

I still live here.

I know it don't take no contract or master plan to murder a Shining Black Prince.

All it takes is a coward with a handgun. All it takes is a man not able to contain his emotions. All it takes is a brother not willing to be held accountable for his past transgressions.

That's the hard truth here. And all that spy thriller fiction is just distracting us from the real struggle.

I'm done with this shit tho.

>I still live here.
>
>I know it don't take no contract or master plan to murder a
>Shining Black Prince.
>
>All it takes is a coward with a handgun. All it takes is a man
>not able to contain his emotions. All it takes is a brother
>not willing to be held accountable for his past
>transgressions.


Well that's true of any situation anywhere.


>That's the hard truth here. And all that spy thriller fiction
>is just distracting us from the real struggle.
>
>I'm done with this shit tho.


Yeah that's fine and all, but even Nipsey's brother Samiel suspects foul play.

hurts your point more than help?

And yet you find a way to work him in most convos?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Does mentioning them hurt my point as well?
They both suspect foul play.
And how many of you have found and released the names and photos of white criminals that the media tries to protect? Tariq has done this multiple times. He's out in front of stories, breaking news in our community that 'major' outlets don't even have. I don't care how yall feel about him, he's putting in important work that yall's favorite outlets aren't putting in. He's also from L.A. and knows the city, so what exactly is your point? Nvm, you never have one.

Can you provide links. And if it's two hour youtube videos can you time stamp the relevant portions?

You drop their names like they are hot but I'd like to see the basis for you/their claims. I mean their definitely was foul play, dude was murdered.

If you already posted it above forgive me, this posts got too bama'd up to read everything here.



>Does mentioning them hurt my point as well?
>They both suspect foul play.
>And how many of you have found and released the names and
>photos of white criminals that the media tries to protect?
>Tariq has done this multiple times. He's out in front of
>stories, breaking news in our community that 'major' outlets
>don't even have. I don't care how yall feel about him, he's
>putting in important work that yall's favorite outlets aren't
>putting in. He's also from L.A. and knows the city, so what
>exactly is your point? Nvm, you never have one.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Lol @ "like they are hot." If you don't know who Samiel is, you might need to exit this part of the thread. Google is your friend.
Samiel is his brother who gave him CPR before the ambulance took him away.
Kenyatta is a long-time friend who was in consistent contact with him in person and knew his parents, siblings, gf, etc.
They're both from L.A. btw, obviously. Since that's been posited as a mark of credibility, surely being his close friend or biological brother and at the scene of the murder lend one some extra credibility.
You can find the article about his brother online and the videos of Kenyatta talking about it on youtube if you really care to hear what he has to say. If yall don't even care enough to find it and listen, then perhaps stop telling me I'm trippin.

just said you were kind of a loser who thinks watching a tariq nasheed video makes him an expert.

be specific

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See it's this type of jumping to conclusions or shotty comprehension that makes people question your shit.


I read the article interviewing his brother when it dropped. No where in it does he mention a government conspiracy.

So forgive me for not taking your word as to what these people said, it should be easy for you to show receipts.

Seeing that you haven't so far makes me suspect you might be pulling this out your ass.

Redeem yourself. Receipts please.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I read the article interviewing his brother when it dropped.
>No where in it does he mention a government conspiracy.

And nowhere did I mention the word "government" in the reply you're replying to, so "jumping to conclusions or shotty comprehension" is total projection on your part. Get your frantic ass shit together,find the very-easy-to-find clips of Griggs on youtube, and stop being uninformed on purpose. Btw, Griggs actually does mention the government.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

please go into deep detail about how that loser is your guiding light.

keep talking


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in favor of the centuries-old "blame the black male" trick.

don't shut up and point fingers now

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Nipsey's biological brother, his close friend, and a man he wanted to do movies with, all from L.A. who suspect foul play in his murder. How do you suspect Ike knows more about this situation than the 3 off them.

talk in detail go on don't stop talking boy.

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These ppl who live in the same city of 4 million ppl, but were actually close to Nispey.

you want to change the subject boy.

you know why you do.

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to ppl's views on this subject.

We see why you're moving on from that now tho.

This is always too easy with you. Lol

"306. yes, explain that your internet only rambling comes from tariq

please go into deep detail about how that loser is your guiding light."

consistency.

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288. we're in a place where exclusively internet cats like boogie
are trying to explain to actual LA dudes about violence in their city.
wow - rjcc

That's where you started this whole sub thread.

Yet my suspicion (which you are labeling an explanation of violence in LA) is shared by "actual LA dudes" who don't just live in LA but knew Nipsey personally... grew up with him even.

I know you get lost in all your straw grasping and trolling, but try to stay focused.

based on the youtube videos you watched.

there's no cowardice involved.

I said you're the loser who has never shown his face who ain't from there and doesn't know anything.

I stand by that fully, because it's facts.

now you want to bring up the people you watched on youtube.

They ain't you boy. you don't get to draft off their credibility.

continue to be mad online.

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Damn I love how you continuously set yourself up.
The author of the horrid article in the OP is from New Jersey out here telling actual LA dudes what's causing death in their city. *gasp* How dare he?!?!?!

>based on the youtube videos you watched.


This is where you're wrong. It's based on the facts of the situation. You don't need youtube to know these things.


>there's no cowardice involved.


Cowardice is your whole MO, dude... well that and being a scumbag.



>I said you're the loser who has never shown his face who ain't
>from there and doesn't know anything.



I understand why you're bitter you've shown your face.
Definitely a regrettable action for someone with your genes.



>I stand by that fully, because it's facts.



You stand by it because you have nothing substantial to contribute to the conversation, so you're struggling to find ways to attack me personally.



>now you want to bring up the people you watched on youtube.


Of course I do. It's one of the things that shows you have no point.


>They ain't you boy. you don't get to draft off their
>credibility.



Oh of course not. My analysis of the situation is actually more in-depth than all of theirs. The point is that they share my suspicion.


>continue to be mad online.


That's more your thing. I'll let you have it.

I would ever struggle to find ways to attack you personally.

I don't have to struggle because I don't do it.

You just are a piece of shit. I don't have to bring it up at all.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

The stuff yall are talking in here lines up with it

thanks for that astute observation

Sad part is I know you're smart enough to have a more mature and well-developed conversation, but continue saying stupid stuff because you believe you're stupid. Maybe you're just lazy and waiting for the "rapture." *shrugs*

There was no conspiracy, this was some dude that got pressed when he was told his presences at TMC wasn't appreciated by Nipsey and made a cowardly move to take that man's life cause he felt a certain way about being asked to leave.

There's no grand plan or conspiracy behind Nipsey's death, it was simply street shit. But I'm going to let you cook though.

>There was no conspiracy, this was some dude that got pressed
>when he was told his presences at TMC wasn't appreciated by
>Nipsey and made a cowardly move to take that man's life cause
>he felt a certain way about being asked to leave.
>
>There's no grand plan or conspiracy behind Nipsey's death, it
>was simply street shit. But I'm going to let you cook though.
>


Yeah, yeah that's the official story they told us. So Nipsey's brother Samiel is just talking bullshit huh? Kenyatta Griggs just off his rocker? All I said was I question this shit, just like they do. That "some dude" you're talking about IS indeed an informant, and his getaway driver wasn't arrested. When do you see this not get a black person arrested as an accomplice? And are you the black guy or the white woman in the pic? Just wanna know if I'm talking to a white woman or a nigga who thinks like one.

Damn

Malcolm spoke out about THEM's sexual misconduct and the NOI treated that as a betrayal. Farrakhan riled some shooters up and they took him out.

In that way, toxic masculinity contributed to Malcolm's death too, if we being honest.

The second guy who was taken away in a police car after the shooting, a detective who also infiltrated the Black Liberation Movement.

Y’all really quick to give The Man a pass when it comes to this shit?

I go with Occam's razor, brother.

Once you got the cork board up and you're connecting thumb tacks with the yarn, you start to lose me.

Dude, you lost me now. loosen up the grip on ya tinfoil hat son.

to many Ermias Joseph Asghedom was a General of Black men and people like Tariq Nasheed (the Black Nationalist's Sean Hannity) are the propagandists needed to tell our people what's really happening. In the black nationalist's mind the more educated you are, the more effeminate you are, the more suburban you are, the more disconnected you are from the genocidal reality Black people, men in particular, are facing.

Unfortunately for Black men in the minds of other Black men, the more money you have, the more prestige you have, the prettier the woman date, the more influence you have in the community, the less of an individual rebel you become and the less subversive you become to the white male power structure.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

because yall think focusing on Tariq gives you a point.
Most of yall are against reparations simply because Tariq is for it, so that says a lot.


>In the black nationalist's mind the
>more educated you are, the more effeminate you are,



So now you're just typing any ol' BS that comes to your mind.
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.



>the more
>suburban you are, the more disconnected you are from the
>genocidal reality Black people, men in particular, are facing.




This is often true, but it doesn't have to be.


>Unfortunately for Black men in the minds of other Black men,
>the more money you have, the more prestige you have, the
>prettier the woman date, the more influence you have in the
>community, the less of an individual rebel you become and the
>less subversive you become to the white male power structure.


This legit makes no sense, and makes it pretty clear that you're just trying to make yourself feel better like when a child's parents tell them they're bullied because they're superheroes or some shit.

I don't know who these other people are that you're talking about though.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

us: we're not and no one said that?

tariq isn't for any reparations except dumb niggas like you buying his bullshit

please keep going loser

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

In the minds of black men the prettier the women you date the less authentic you are?

NIGGA
WHUT.

LMAO

>In the minds of black men the prettier the women you date the
>less authentic you are?
>
>NIGGA
>WHUT.
>
>LMAO


LOL, I pretty much had the same reaction

sheesh

seems rather detrimental for you to exist in the first place... let alone procreate.
White supremacy loves yall tho, which seems to satisfy you just fine.

The informant's street nickname was "Shitty." Most likely got that name because everyone knew he was a snitch, but that's just my guess.

Shitty was just walking around in the huge city of L.A. with 2 guns on him and just happened to know where Nipsey was on day when he wasn't scheduled to be at the store. This was kind of an impromptu thing, since he made a special trip there to hook his friend up with some clothes who'd just gotta outta prison.

After Shitty committed murder, a friend of his just happened to be sitting at the end of a nearby alley in her car with the engine on.
How likely is this?

Somehow, they're able to get away through L.A. traffic without being spotted or stopped by lights or anything. He finds a great hiding place, evading being found as his family members become targets.
Could he have been smuggled to a safe house by the police?

They "find" him at a mental hospital to accentuate this "insanity" legal defense they're about to mount for him.
But wait, he's an informant. So he's mentally impaired but yall trusted his intel?

The getaway driver tells the police she didn't know anything about the murder or anything. They simply believe her and let her go.
When do you ever see this with black people?

Shitty is IMMEDIATELY granted bail as a repeat offender with bodies on his record who has just committed another murder.
People with non-violent offenses don't even get this kind of treatment. For instance, wasn't Meek Mill locked up for 5 months before his bail got set for a non-violent offense? Shitty is getting 5-star criminal treatment.

"Hey pal, we'll get our buddy Chris Darden of OJ fame to represent you!"
This dusty dude was walking around this big ass city, doesn't even own a car. How does he afford Chris Darden? If Darden took this pro-bono, why would such a high-profile lawyer take THIS case?

This Shitty character is a black male multiple offender who has everything magically working out in his favor at every turn with the legal system here, and yall are telling me this chain of events sounds about right to yall?

and moving onto murder.

sure, he was always wrong about sexual assault, but sometimes you need to shift.

tell us more about why we should believe in you instead of real actual people who show their faces.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the history of flawed and failed sexual assault investigators on this board.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Peculiar how you constantly find ways to bring rape into discussions

it does look sus

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/430/367/007.gif

in this single post.

It's bad and the worst part is you can't see how poorly thought out and reasoned this is.

We could go line by line and tell why this is terrible logic but I'll start with one overall assumption that derails much of what you wrote. That is, your outline is built on the faulty assumption that dude went there that day with a plan to murder Nipsey Hussle.





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

is an obvious red flag.

You don’t defend a guy like this for free. What’s in it for him?

How did Casey Anthony pay Jose Baez?

How did Timothy McVeigh pay Chris Tritico?

How did fertilizer salesman Scott Peterson pay super lawyer Mark John Geragos?

Defense lawyers love high profile cases and find a way to rep certain clients even if it means not getting paid some time.

And then you act like Chris Darden is not dude most known for blowing the most high profile case in LA history. Dude is not in high demand.


>is an obvious red flag.
>
>You don’t defend a guy like this for free. What’s in it
>for him?
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>And then you act like Chris Darden is not dude most known for
>blowing the most high profile case in LA history. Dude is
>not in high demand.

He's white america's darling for being on the white side of history, and he's now the guy who defends the "mentally ill", so if this informant is being protected, who ya gonna call? Hint: it ain't Ghostbusters.

>That is, your outline is built on the
>faulty assumption that dude went there that day with a plan to
>murder Nipsey Hussle.

then it seems premeditated. Dude probably doesn't have a CCW (carry permit).

Not sure about the rest of the theory, but this definitely looks like a targeted murder, whether over an argument or something more.

quick access to guns. OK.




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

holy shit...this is the funniest shit ever

hilarisad

..."Y'all" theory.

This is literally the first time I chimed in on this theory tho.

Never mind, man. Y'all come with the shaming shit, but clearly are just as bad about reading comprehension and critical thinking as the people you are arguing with.

including a visual re-enactment

also with friends and his brother recounting what was said between the man and what nipsey said during the shooting

i am gobsmacked at him trying so hard to push this off as a conspiracy

again, everyone please listen to this podcast about conspiracies & especially the jelani cobb segment "show me state of mind" with a ferguson activist who lost a close friend he considered his brother & how he looks at the idea that his close friend was murdered in a conspiracy: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything-can-be-anything

but this is the 3rd time i've posted actual factual video or audio from individuals actually affected by violence and victims and he hasn't responded to the sentiments in the vid, only to arguing in this post about non-facts and ideas, which is telling

Even before the trial, where discover what the actual motive was, lol

Remeber that Mike Wilbon article after Sean Taylor got murdered? Where he said he wasn't surprised dude died a violent death despite not knowing anything about what happened? But just painted with a broad brush of stereotypes about Black male pathology.

https://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/9/27/6853669/its-time-for-michael-wilbon-and-colin-cowherd-to-apologize

Now, it might turn out that Shitty Cuz just got mad and killed Nipsey.

But isn't odd how the same narrative just changes names but stays the same?

>Even before the trial, where discover what the actual motive
>was, lol
>
>Remeber that Mike Wilbon article after Sean Taylor got
>murdered? Where he said he wasn't surprised dude died a
>violent death despite not knowing anything about what
>happened? But just painted with a broad brush of stereotypes
>about Black male pathology.
>
>https://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/9/27/6853669/its-time-for-michael-wilbon-and-colin-cowherd-to-apologize
>
>Now, it might turn out that Shitty Cuz just got mad and killed
>Nipsey.
>
>But isn't odd how the same narrative just changes names but
>stays the same?
>


Real shit, man. Just the complete willingness to accept that reasoning and the ridicule of anyone suspicious of a conspiracy where an informant is involved in a country where this happens to us over and over... incredible.
And yeah, it could be that dude killed him on the spur of the moment, but I'll be damned if I don't question it. We're all doomed if we don't question everything about our existence here, actually, but that's a bigger discussion lol.

about being right, that you don’t have no relationship with the truth right now.

1. Shitty Cuz didn’t get his hood name because he was an informant. Niggas get they hood names around the time they get put on...Elementary school. Middle school. I guess this is a simple mistake from an out of towner, but realize you don’t have the knowledge to make educated guesses here.

2. Niggas walk around with guns on them all the time. I’ve had guns pulled on me by niggas on foot. On the bus. It ain’t no I’ma run to the trunk culture out here. Niggas be strapped.

3. Nothing about what witnesses say suggests Holder was looking to kill Nipsey before their interaction. It was BECAUSE of their interaction. Holder lived over there. Nipsey was running errands. They had a discussion and Holder felt some type of way.

4. There were minutes between his interaction with Nip and the shooting. Everybody says he went to get a burger before he came back. He was likely in the burger spot in his feelings, deciding to hurt Nip, and told his homegirl to pull around to the back alley before he started shooting.

5. Niggas drive away from shooting somebody all the time in LA traffic. Like you ain’t ever heard of no DRIVE-BY SHOOTING?

6. The police found him at the mental facility because EVERYBODY KNEW HIS FACE AND HE WAS IN PUBLIC.

7. The dude has a history of being bi-polar. Ain’t no indication that he be hallucinating and hearing voices. He’s claiming to be emotionally unstable and the nigga clearly is.

8. Nobody knows how he managed to retain Darden as his lawyer. But Darden likely approached HIM. Darden just tried to defend a ball player who attempted to kill his ex by saying he did it because of CTE. This case is completely on brand for this point of Darden’s career. I’m guessing he feels like he has a shot since Holder was picked up trying to check himself in. If he can argue down Holder’s sentence, he has a resume to show to wealthy, high profile murderers who need a lawyer.

9. Nothing is stopping the driver from being charged at a later date, but it’s also possible she’s cooperating with police and giving them valuable information for her freedom.

10. His bail was set at 7 million which is basically saying the dude don’t got no bail. The judge had good reason to rush to that decision because Nip’s murder had international attention.

Stop it. Get some help.

But it won't cause being from L.A. and having common sense doesn't mean shit to these tinfoil kufi conspiracy brothas in this thread.

Maybe you're just rounding down.

You also admittedly don't know why his street name is Shitty. Got it.

Niggas walk around with guns in many places. Dunno why you think that's unique to L.A.

"He was likely in the burger spot in his feelings..."
Oh so now you're making up a scenario in your head about what "likely" happened. Which is exactly what you're coming at me for, right? Either you know or you don't.

"Nobody knows how he managed to retain Darden as his lawyer."
Oh ok, so you're clearly speculating here like anyone else.

"Nothing is stopping the driver from being charged at a later date"
But something stopped her from getting charged like she should have.

"but it’s also possible she’s cooperating with police and giving them valuable information for her freedom."
So this is another speculation on your part, just as good as anyone else's speculation.

The only difference in your speculation and mine is that yours leans towards trusting what "authorities" have told us, and mine don't.

Stop it. Get some help.

My Nickname is duck. I will venmo you $100 if you can remotely figure out why that's my nickname.

My boy's nickname is moo-man. I'll venmo you $200 if you remotely can guess why that's his nickname.

On my word I will pay out. Knock yourself out o great "Nickname decypherer" and earn some quick cash.






**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

we used to clown him and say he was kissing a curling iron.

Because I admitted the nickname thing was a guess, yet that's all you focus on to the point u claim that's what I'm "building the case" on lol. You still being too lazy to watch two 12 minute clips of his close friend Kenyatta Griggs is dumb.

splitting hairs on a bail that is well into the millions to ignore all the other holes he poked in your speculation

that's the difference between his speculation and yours though...his wasn't even particularly supportive of 99% of his argument

you just wanted to focus on that part bc he swiss cheesed your speculation

Buddy talking about a nickname that was the very least important part of my argument. And Ike ain't poking holes in speculation with more speculation.
You just worry about taking care of your own admitted stupidity and understand exactly how white toxicity creates and maintains black male and female "toxicity" (symptoms of oppression) and how you're not going to fix it in any meaningful way by victim-blaming. But hey, maybe you're too stupid to understand this. Good luck tho.

is definitely a sign you know the most about everything involved.

boogie got y'all there.

he's a genius.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

dude is a textbook expendable patsy. nobody would think twice if the end of the story was suicide by cop.

what would the upside to this deal even be? 'kill somebody for us. in exchange...you get locked up for life'. 'say no more...'. lol.

the only conspiracy I have on my mind is Eric Holder potentially getting off (he's a dead man in or out of jail) so that the black community will revolt and give the government cause for committing more harm i.e. martial law

shit would be worse than Latasha Harlins, Rodney King, and Trayvon Martin combined and I think that level of trauma may please the white power structure who's looking to break us anyway they can

to break us... come up the the conspiracy theory that they'd let Holder off for the purpose of causing revolt so they can harm more people...
but it's just completely beyond you that the same white power structure might kill Nipsey to set that plan in motion? Then you call other people retarded.
Amazing.

>the only conspiracy I have on my mind is Eric Holder
>potentially getting off (he's a dead man in or out of jail) so
>that the black community will revolt and give the government
>cause for committing more harm i.e. martial law
>
>shit would be worse than Latasha Harlins, Rodney King, and
>Trayvon Martin combined and I think that level of trauma may
>please the white power structure who's looking to break us
>anyway they can

but yes, I think it's entirely plausible for Nipsey's death to have not been a government setup (Im not from LA, but living here 7 years I have a better understanding than you could) along with recognizing the way tragedy has been used by higher powers to try breaking us mentally and psychologically

and yes, there seem to be high functioning special needs patients posting here

No one says it's not "plausible that it's NOT a government setup"... just that it's entirely plausible that it could be one as well. Not sure why you and Buddy wanna go the route that anyone is saying that it 100% is a gov't setup... well, yeah I do know why... it's a pretty common debate tactic you both use.
But yeah, just checking. You enjoy your evening of tending to that retardation you're projecting on to everyone else.
Much love.

I said I wasn't about to argue, your retort was "you still responded to me"

please learn how to have discussions like an adult

>I said I wasn't about to argue, your retort was "you still
>responded to me"


I asked you a simple question. You responded that you weren't going to argue. Sounds like you're the one who needs to be an adult instead of looking for an argument where there's absolutely no indication that there will be one.
You can't make a legitimate request for maturity when you OPEN by calling other people "retarded." Some projections are just too obvious.
But AGAIN, enjoy your night.

>I asked you a simple question. You responded that you weren't
>going to argue. Sounds like you're the one who needs to be an
>adult instead of looking for an argument where there's
>absolutely no indication that there will be one.

your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative. you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same way I could have ceased communication) instead you kept nonsense going, and now you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no indication there would be an argument"





>You can't make a legitimate request for maturity when you OPEN
>by calling other people "retarded." Some projections are just
>too obvious.

retarded is defined as "less advanced in mental or social development" than is usual for one's age. I added the descriptor high functioning, if that doesnt describe this clusterfuck of a post to you, then cool

>your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative.


Oh I'm not arguing that at all... ironically lol.


>you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same way
>I could have ceased communication)


Not arguing that either.
Kind of interesting that you gave me the power to make you "take part" tho.


>you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no
>indication there would be an argument"



Except that's not a lie. I asked you a question. If you had simply answered without your usual flare, I'd have no response, but you're incapable of that... partially due to the retardation that you project on to others. I fully expect more in response. It's how you do.



>retarded is defined as "less advanced in mental or social
>development" than is usual for one's age. I added the
>descriptor high functioning, if that doesnt describe this
>clusterfuck of a post to you, then cool


If your mental and social development was usual for your age, you would know that calling people retarded isn't exactly the right thing to do if you want to have a mature discussion, so how are you surprised that that's not what you get when you do so? This is how "retarded" applies to you, sir.

>>your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative.

>Oh I'm not arguing that at all... ironically lol.

>>you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same
>way
>>I could have ceased communication)
>
>
>Not arguing that either.
>Kind of interesting that you gave me the power to make you
>"take part" tho.

>>you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no
>>indication there would be an argument"

>Except that's not a lie. I asked you a question. If you had
>simply answered without your usual flare, I'd have no
>response, but you're incapable of that... partially due to the
>retardation that you project on to others. I fully expect
>more in response. It's how you do.

Im not interested in talking to anyone hell bent on poking holes in ideas to be "right", that's called an argument. "agree to disagree" doesnt register in your world, if you find a way to spin this back on me you're just a weirdo

Whether they live up to it or not is another story, but that's whatever.

>Im not interested in talking to anyone hell bent on poking
>holes in ideas to be "right", that's called an argument.
>"agree to disagree" doesnt register in your world, if you find
>a way to spin this back on me you're just a weirdo


"Oh no, he's says I'm a weirdo if I spin his retardation back on him! Better not do it!"
Did you think I'd fear your name-calling too much to respond? Lol. That's hilarious, bro. I'm only I'm not even poking holes in your argument at this point... just correcting your re-writing and mischaractarizations. You keep doing, I keep responding. It's fun to me. How long do you wanna carry on?

>"Oh no, he's says I'm a weirdo if I spin his retardation back
>on him! Better not do it!"
>Did you think I'd fear your name-calling too much to respond?
>Lol. That's hilarious, bro. I'm only I'm not even poking
>holes in your argument at this point... just correcting your
>re-writing and mischaractarizations. You keep doing, I keep
>responding. It's fun to me. How long do you wanna carry on?
>
>

Seek help.

street niggas have been kinda getting exposed lately.

tekashi and shotty disrespected known 'gangstas' wholesale in la, chicago, and houston. only got touched by each other (pause) and the feds.

an artist associated with j prince got buck50d and his chain snatched in ny. j prince ran to ig to demand help getting the chain back. got the chain back. but didnt do shit about the dude getting stomped out and his face zippered on camera.

rollin 60s nhc legend nipsey hussle gets broaddayed in front of his own store by somebody named shitty cuz. no return fire. no chase. no family members or friends ducktaped. no money on his head. just a buncha niggas riding around screaming at their phones all night on ig/snapchat.

kodak black disrespected nip and his widow...shit on tip and his museum...was in tips city...and nothing.

iono fam. i aint one to condone violence. but the mileage on the walk aint matching the mileage on the talk.

Dunno the damage total, but they were targeted.

"Gangstas" who avoid death and jail aren't usually loud about the work they put in. If you're able to connect a violent incident to disrespect of a certain person, so can the police... which just might make that certain person and their affiliates suspects.

That said, I dunno why you expect to see J.Prince personally do something about that situation in any way that you can trace.

Nipsey's brother already explained why there was no return fire when Shitty shot Nip. The store hires felons and others who have a hard time finding work, so no one present had a gun on them. Samiel said that if he was present, he would've shot back. I just really hope the brother isn't blaming himself.

And THAT news is already a week old. Come on Reeq, you betta than this.

Just checkin, fam.

So you know how dat go. Anything happen anywhere in Cali
whether Bay area or LA, Diego, we get dat info quick just off GP.

If you in Sac, chances are you got Family in LA and vice-versa so word gets back to us immediately.

When real shit goes down, it don't necessarily make social media.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

.
.
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

takeaway: there is no spoon