>>The narrative was Trump was horrible and Mueller was going
>to
>>take him down. That is a very over-simplified version, but
>>that was it.
>>
>>Mueller was/is a hero who will save the country so to speak.
>
>Besides, like, LABeathustla and Maddow/MSNBC, where exactly
>was this narrative you speak of ? If anything, outside of
>Maddow, I feel like the MSM mostly ignored this entire story
>except to provide updates here and there when 45*'s people
>said "THE REPORT IS COMING". *They* controlled the narrative,
>and I don't think there was anyone in MSM (besides the
>aforementioned) or any prominent or relevant democrats in
>Washington depending on Mueller to be the savior. I think
>that's a made up narrative, largely.

Hustla was the most exaggerated version of it, yes. But it has been a big deal on everything from social media to the late night shows to here.

Thin line between faith and delusion.

>
>Obviously tons of us were hopeful that a Watergate-like
>scenario would play out but I don't think many *expected* it
>to play out that way.

Be honest, you really thought it would go like this? Maybe you didn't expect Trump to be taken away in bracelets, but did you really think the headlines would be "Trump Innocent" basically?

And if you honestly thought this is how it would go, then why do you expect anything to happen to him ever?

I'm not trying to be an asshole here. I just think you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think anything is going to happen to him.

>
>
>>And we/the left/etc put so much stock into "Trump colluded
>>with Russia to steal the election" and/or "Russia owns
>Trump"
>>that we forgot to talk about all the other horrible stuff he
>>has done in plain sight as President.
>
>Again I just don't think this is true. We put a lot of stock
>in both. At least I personally did and do. I think there was a
>fascination with this investigation (and continues to be)
>because there's a lot of unprecedented stuff there. I don't
>think this was some fool's errand. If it were why would the
>repugs be working so hard to conceal the findings ?

Don't confuse me saying "nothing is going to happen" with "they didn't do anything wrong."

It isn't/wasn't a fools errand, but yesterday sure gave a gift wrapped present to Trump and his followers. It was a mistake to put so much stock into the Mueller investigation.

And I disagree strongly that the left has put as much energy into other issues as this in the past 6-12 months.

Here alone, every Friday was basically Mueller day. This very thread started with daydreaming that Kush or Jr was getting indicted.



>
>
>>We had this fantasy that there would be a watergate-like
>>situation where Trump had to leave in shame- we focused on
>>this unlikely situation rather than putting the right amount
>>of energy into everything from the Muslim ban to the wall to
>>the tax scam.
>>
>>
>>
>>We have to stop expecting institutions, republicans (even
>>Mueller), and rich white people to do the "right" thing.
>>
>>So this idea that Mueller handed stuff off to other
>>institutions to save us just sounds like wishful thinking
>that
>>ignores the past 3 years or whatever. No institution has
>>stopped him to this point.
>
>So is the solution to just give up ? Investigations into
>outright corruption aren't worth it ? A lot of the
>investigations I speak of involve the "horrible stuff Trump
>has done right in front of our faces" that you speak of. So of
>course they're relevant and important.

At every step in this we have said Trump is going down. He won't be nominated, he won't win, moderate republicans won't vote for him, women won't vote for him, the electoral college will step in (lol), the GOP will tire of him, Mueller comin, etc, etc.

Now its "Mueller handed stuff off to other groups"- it is sounding like Q anon or whatever that shit is. Just seems like the goalpost keeps moving to keep the fantasy alive.

My point is that folks need to be careful to not sound like Trumpsters who were convinced the feds were going to take Hillary down for a child porn ring or whatever.

>
>I also think there's been plenty of attention paid to the
>Muslim ban, the wall (ESPECIALLY) and the tax scam. Just
>because he's corrupt all over doesn't mean we can only focus
>on a few areas of his corruption. It's all-encompassing and
>that's why it's so difficult to stop. Well, that and the fact
>that repugs never act in good faith ever.

So if you know the GOP won't act in good faith, what do you expect to come out of these investigations?

You think he'll go to prison after his term? Nothing happened to the W administration, and their lies literally cost American lives.

And again, I disagree. In the last 6 months especially, the focus has been on Russia. A lot of that is on the media, but a lot of folks on the left fell for it too.

(I take back the wall- you're right there. But I haven't heard a peep about the other stuff. Kids STILL haven't been reunited with their fams, man.)

>
>
>>I mean, if there is some really terrible stuff in this
>report
>>that Barr is hiding or that Mueller felt he couldn't trust
>him
>>with, why didn't the hero Mueller give it to Congress
>himself?
>> Or leak that shit?
>
>Because he has no authority to do that and it would be viewed
>as partisan, maybe. Who knows. We're 3 days into this thing.

But Brew, this is the issue. We aren't 3 days. We are are what, almost 2 years into this thing?

We are 3 days into the report being handed in, but people have been hearing that Mueller was coming for Trump for two years. And now they are hearing that he is innocent.

Think about the average Amerikkkan who isn't obsessed with every detail about this. What is their take going to be when "we" say "there is more to the story/Mueller probs handed stuff off to other organizations/but wait for the whole report/the media is wrong"

What does that sound like?

And to my Mueller point. So we can't expect Mueller to act against norms. We can't expect Barr to not be terrible. We can't expect the GOP to not be awful.

So....what is going to happen then? The investigations in congress uncover some shit...and? THAT is when the GOP will do the right thing?

Nothing is going to happen to him man.



>
>
>>I was told he was some expert investigator who loved his
>>country, hated Russia, etc. But he is going to continue to
>>let a Russia asset be POTUS because of norms or something?
>
>Who told you that ? LABeathustla ?

haha fair. Yeah, him. And a lot of pro-Mueller stuff on Twitter. I have found it very odd that people on the LEFT were suddenly such huge FBI fans.

They fucked the left as recently as October 2016.


>
>
>>Even if the above questions are silly because of legal
>>reasons, you know Trumpsters will be saying something
>>similar.
>>
>>
>>Yeah, the investigations in congress should continue, etc.
>>But we need to stop focusing on it so much and Dems need to
>>talk about shit that will help win the election.
>
>They can and should do both.

I worry that Dems will go on a rant about making the report public, more to the story, etc- and use up all of their capital, etc. And voters will get tired of them or even worse, they do get the full report and there is no smoking gun.


>
>
>>Headlines everywhere today basically say "Trump Innocent"
>and
>>there is no going back from that, man.
>
>Those headlines are starting to change now that the hysteria
>has dissolved a bit.

Cmon Brew. This is America. We don't do nuance or corrections. This was a huge L for Dems.

>
>
>>It sucks. It isn't fair.
>>
>>Running around telling everyone "oh there's more to this
>>story, just wait" isn't the play man. "We" will sound like
>>we are screaming "fake news" or whatever.
>
>Who's running around ? I'm just bringing the info I'm seeing
>to a message board. It's an ongoing, fluid discussion. I have
>no control over the narrative. That's the media's job.

I didn't mean just you. I've seen similar stuff on twitter,some Dems, etc.

Aren't some Dem candidates pushing petitions to make the report public?

What if there isn't much there?

>
>
>>Nothing is going to happen to Trump in a legal sense, man.
>
>Maybe not. Doesn't mean his all-encompassing corruption
>shouldn't be pursued. You can both investigate his corruption,
>and focus on 2020 at the same time. In fact, at some point
>they may intersect. One may assist with the other.

Sure, but I think if Dems continue to pound this Russia thing it will backfire. If Dems/the left/libs/left-leaning media etc, continue to say shit like "there is more to this story" or whatever, voters will check out at best.

I'm also worried that you and a few others are just delaying your inevitable disappointment.