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13311903, I may be getting old but I think Porn should be regulated more.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-05-19 03:53 PM
And it's not so much around explicit stuff but degrading to women stuff.

I think about some of the stuff that took me 30 and 40 years before I saw for the first time, and I think about a kid being 15 being flooded with it as they are first starting to


My wife doesn't know what b*kakke is, but I bet my 15 nephew does.

Whenever you get into arguments with people about freedom of expression and speech should protect porn as well, I bet you they have never seen ghettogaggers.

Anyway, I can't think of any good reasons why that stuff should be protected or allowed.

What say you?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13311904, OKP keeps bringing up that ghettogaggers stuff over and over
Posted by c71, Tue Feb-05-19 04:00 PM
That stuff must be hitting a nerve.
13311908, I would support an age restriction
Posted by sectachrome86, Tue Feb-05-19 04:28 PM
I agree that any kid with an internet connection having easy access to any and all porn is not good or healthy.
13311909, These kids don't understand how rare it was to get your hands on
Posted by Teknontheou, Tue Feb-05-19 04:40 PM
any pr0n, let alone good pr0n. They probably don't even look at the bra and panty section of catalogs anymore.
13311915, Sears
Posted by infin8, Tue Feb-05-19 05:01 PM
JCPenney

Fredericks of Hollywood (you had to sneak into the grown folks area. This shit was like finding a fuckin truffle)

TRASH STASH: Someone dumped a stack of em outside.


these li'l nuccas dont appreciate anything. you had to EARN your pr0n and there was always the risk of getting caught with it.

*sigh*
13311918, man...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-05-19 05:06 PM
>JCPenney
>
>Fredericks of Hollywood (you had to sneak into the grown folks
>area. This shit was like finding a fuckin truffle)
>
>TRASH STASH: Someone dumped a stack of em outside.
>
>
>these li'l nuccas dont appreciate anything. you had to EARN
>your pr0n and there was always the risk of getting caught with
>it.
>
>*sigh*
13311919, And even if you were old enough to buy it
Posted by sectachrome86, Tue Feb-05-19 05:18 PM
Who wants to be the guy bringing up the latest issue of Penthouse to the register at Borders? Okay, you could go to a sex shop, but that still takes some dedication.

In middle school I had a friend who took me up in his attic and he had the ILL porn mag stash under the floorboards. I think that was the first time I ever saw like real hardcore porn. It was incredible. But I wasn't looking at the shit for 2 hours a day in my bedroom.

I also just remembered that I signed up for free trial issue of Playboy and had it sent to my own house. I was home first every day and could get the mail before anyone else but wow that was pretty ballsy.

Eventually I became wise to internet porn at maybe like 14 and I do think that had a negative effect on me.
13311954, And going behind the shady curtain..
Posted by jimaveli, Tue Feb-05-19 09:10 PM
>any pr0n, let alone good pr0n. They probably don't even look
>at the bra and panty section of catalogs anymore.

Bwahahahaha! Cataloooooogs!? Braaaaaaas!? Paaaaaanties!? Hell naw...dudes ain't gotta wade through that!

In the old legit video stores that had the 'porn section' behind that shady curtain. You had to really want it to go back off behind that curtain!

OR

Making it through scramble-vision to see a piece of a titty before that.

OR

Trying to find 'THE TAPE' in your parents' closet/cabinet/wherever AND watch it without getting super caught. The one I found was a megadub with Deep Inside Vanessa Del Rio, Deliveries in the rear, and some shit called Yank my doodle, It's a dandy!. Good times. I'm old.

OR

Trying to get a corner store dude to sell you a book when you're not old enough to be getting that book.

OR

Even with dial-up..you had to risk your comprooter's life to SLOWLY download a picture of something pr0n-like.

Now? Shiiiid. It's on tap. Insta chicks, videos, websites with straight up search functions. It's damn wonderful. Imagine dudes trying to wait to download/find big ass torrents onto a hard drive.
13312344, "Son, why's the AOL bill $250 this month?"
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Thu Feb-07-19 09:59 AM
Uhhhh, I dunno....


>Even with dial-up..you had to risk your comprooter's life to
>SLOWLY download a picture of something pr0n-like.
>


13312315, how the fuck do you enforce that in this day and age though?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-07-19 12:58 AM
13311910, I wish they could regulate proper lighting
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-05-19 04:44 PM
13311927, this would count towards hentai too? personal videos?
Posted by tomjohn29, Tue Feb-05-19 05:47 PM
describing these acts in print?
how far would this go?
13311986, Fair questions
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-06-19 08:13 AM
I think you limit it to prohibited actual acts of extreme brutalizing and demeaning people for mass distribution with a list of specific acts.

So it has to be actual acts (not hentai, not written descriptions) and it has to be for distribution (not personal collections).

And to stop it from broadly be misintrepreted it should list the prohibited acts:

Scat, piss play, vomit play, toilet licking, you know the more extreme stuff as oppose to just BDSM.

I'd like to see who will be the advocates for the right to distribute videos of a chick getting reamed with her head in a toilet.


RE: this would count towards hentai too? personal videos?
>describing these acts in print?
>how far would this go?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312033, i would because i know the law and statutes that derived from cases
Posted by tomjohn29, Wed Feb-06-19 11:09 AM
concerning decency

I'd make sooo much money

obscenity vs indecency is not settled law

also it is personal preference which of course (actions require a right)

Miller v California(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California) is really murky and i would love for you to bring a case for this



13311979, The dad/mother vs daughter and mother vs son theme is big now.
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Tue Feb-05-19 11:04 PM
13311983, So weird.
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Feb-06-19 06:13 AM
13311988, No, because conservatives take it too far.
Posted by Kira, Wed Feb-06-19 08:54 AM
If we keeping it a buck, women in bikinis are porn. That's how far it could go.

I agree that dark web porn needs regulation. Only issue is who regulates it? How much does it cost? Who pays for it?
13312020, Here is the thing. Any law will be abused. The question is what are
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-06-19 10:38 AM
you more comfortable with.

Sounds like you are comfortable with the abuse of no regulations and the consequences being women being exploited and abused and less comfortable with the risk of less porn being available?




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312029, You're reaching so let me clear this up
Posted by Kira, Wed Feb-06-19 11:00 AM
>you more comfortable with.
>
>Sounds like you are comfortable with the abuse of no
>regulations and the consequences being women being exploited
>and abused and less comfortable with the risk of less porn
>being available?

The textbook definition of porn encompasses literally everything...

I am uncomfortable with men and women being abused, degraded, and exploited in life and porn. Censor porn entirely and keep it out of the hands of anyone under the age of 18. Criminalize any and all of whatever dark web genres exist.

13312240, How does the textbook definition of porn encompasses literally everything?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-06-19 04:35 PM
It really doesn't have to be all unrestricted porn or no porn at all.

Shit the japanese allow a bunch of stuff except showing genetial (sp).

Not sure why you think it has to be all or nothing.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312559, RE: How does the textbook definition of porn encompasses literally everything?
Posted by jimaveli, Fri Feb-08-19 07:54 AM
>It really doesn't have to be all unrestricted porn or no porn
>at all.
>
>Shit the japanese allow a bunch of stuff except showing
>genetial (sp).
>
>Not sure why you think it has to be all or nothing.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Earth in 2019 lacks nuance. We know this. If ‘hey guys, what’s up with this porn?’ becomes a focus, it will most likely START OFF logically. All incest and statutory stuff would be hit up. The super degrading stuff would be too. And, for the most part, things would be okay.

THEN, mofos would go after all sorts of stuff and then people would be arguing about nude pics.
13312036, Like finding a truffle.....
Posted by TR808, Wed Feb-06-19 11:12 AM
This is the best description i have ever seen...lol
13312208, to me, the regulation should be around informed consent
Posted by Damali, Wed Feb-06-19 04:14 PM
women of age should be able to choose to be choked or gagged or whatever the hell else fetishes exist...but i'd want to make sure they know ahead of time that that's what the shoot will entail..i've heard stories where they don't get all the info before signing the release or contract or whatever and then some guy is doing anal with them and they never agreed to it explicitly

but yes, to regulation, in general.

d
13312297, ^^ This
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Wed Feb-06-19 10:39 PM
Granted I know nothing of the health benefits and entitlements of sex workers, but I'd like for those workers to have access to better health insurance. And like you mentioned safe working conditions whether that's better policing of broken consent or the use of condoms if need be.

I'm not a clear secularist, meaning I don't necessarily dog Judeo-Christian sex standards. But it's clear that virtually everyone under the sun masturbates to porn or uses porn as a sex aid between couples and therefore shaming performers or production companies who perform a valued need doesn't do any good. To the performers or our own sense of the holistic need of sex in some form.

The sex industry, if properly regulated and policed, would be no different from the alcohol, cannabis, or tobacco industries.
13312307, Uninformed consent.....sounds like rape to me.
Posted by rorschach, Thu Feb-07-19 12:05 AM
The more I hear about the porn industry, the more surprised I am that it still exists in its current form (sans major regulation).

SIDENOTE: This generation of porn is so incellaneous that it makes me sick. The stepson/stepdaughter videos are silly to me.

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13312391, Nah I am going further. I am saying there is some shit you can't consent
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Feb-07-19 11:32 AM
to. Or shouldn't be able to consent to.

Now of course the defense is that consenting adults should be able to engage into any fetish they want to. Which is true.

But most people who make that argument aren't seeing the more extreme porn out there because they would realize that, though consent forms may be signed, it ain't no healthy woman's fetish to be forced to gag until she vomits and have her face mushed in that vomit and made to lick it up off the floor or off a dude's sneakers.

That woman is being exploited.

Again I am only interested in the low hanging fruit of extreme abusive porn.

But you are probably on to something in that the way to discourage that is that every extreme act should be consented to in writing in advance and filed somewhere.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312210, can we get a porn regulators meme?
Posted by mista k5, Wed Feb-06-19 04:15 PM
maybe a verse too?
13312252, mount up!
Posted by sectachrome86, Wed Feb-06-19 05:01 PM
13312313, anything on a professional site has contracts
Posted by atruhead, Thu Feb-07-19 12:53 AM
ghetto gaggers falls in the same spectrum as gay porn for me, as in Im not interested in watching it so I dont click

I imagine that site is catered to warped people or people interested in extreme domination over black women, and while I don't know why a woman would subject herself to that (maybe they pay great?) I don't think anything regarding consent between people of age should be regulated
13312314, I don't think it should be regulated but some of it is fucking gross
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-07-19 12:58 AM
Xvideos has a real proliferation of snuff, incest, etc. This kind of shit is not just for Japan and Jeffrey Dahmer types anymore.

The degradation stuff is outta pocket, too, I agree, but it has been for a while. Some shit where a bunch of unattractive people fuck and it includes like vomit and making the girl say what a whore she is while she cries and shit? That's not sensual, really it's not even sexual, it's just violent.

I remember maybe 15 or so years ago I was telling my friend that there won't even be sex in porn at some point, it will just be some dirt bag slapping some junkie around. He turned around and said "they already have that" and showed me some series called "Slap Happy" that was pretty much just that, although I guess there was oral sex involved between the dude slapping the girl hard AF and spitting on her.

To me it's hard to regulate and not worth regulating. I just look at it as an experiment in how fucked up the human psyche is on all sides and keep it moving.
13312407, Is it really so hard to regulate porn of slapping a woman until she cries?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Feb-07-19 11:53 AM
I think a lot of the arguments against regulating porn are like 30 years old and was useful when talking about needlessly regulating BDSM which is tame by modern standards.

There is a whole new crop of sick twisted shit that sits right besides the regular stuff that concerns me.

Porn is different these days and how people get it is a lot different. We should rethink about how we view porn and the law to catch up the law to where the porn actually is.

The problem is no congressperson will get up and talk about finer points of bukakke without outing themselves.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312525, yes i do think it's hard
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-07-19 07:57 PM
drawing the lines and setting the standards is difficult for openers in a world that has proliferated to the point where they are millions of scenes and thousands of fetishes and billions of combinations thereof. then you have the onus of the regulation. production? broadcast? how does it work across borders?

complex, futile process. we just have to be better.
13312741, What? You act like it already being done.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-08-19 07:39 PM
If pornhub and xvideos can keep copyrighted music off their sites, they can keep videos of dudes pee'ing in women's faces. It ain't that hard to identify extreme demeaning porn, and it ain't that hard to keep it off of major platforms.

It's too hard or futile is the lamest weakest reason not to try an address this.


>drawing the lines and setting the standards is difficult for
>openers in a world that has proliferated to the point where
>they are millions of scenes and thousands of fetishes and
>billions of combinations thereof. then you have the onus of
>the regulation. production? broadcast? how does it work across
>borders?
>
>complex, futile process. we just have to be better.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312840, it's already being done and it's not working
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:01 AM
at one point xvideos removed all the videos with "rape" and "snuff" and all variations thereof in the title. yet today there are more rape and snuff videos than ever on the site. many of the workarounds highlight the futility of broader regulation, for example you won't find "rape" but you will find "violcao" and "violacion" (portuguese and spanish words for rape), plus english terms like "forced" are still very much in play. they regulate it but they do a half-assed job, plus there are other sites that don't regulate it at all (and that creates competitive advantage ... just like independent video stores that survived blockbuster because they rented porn when chains didn't).

in broader forums, regulation has also proven ineffective, for example on tumblr. ultimately tumblr pulled the plug on all its porn pages, but that isn't an option for a porn page--that would be called going out of business.

these are *self-imposed* regulations that aren't working. now put this into a regulatory framework that has to operate across the entire globe. it won't work.
13312347, Gimme real female orgasms with PLENTY of female pleasure
Posted by mellowboogie, Thu Feb-07-19 10:03 AM
being prioritized between grown consenting adults who don't look like they've been trafficked or have addiction issues and I would happily watch porn again.

The state of porn today is horrifying.
13312354, all this incest shit gotta go
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Feb-07-19 10:15 AM
1/4 of every title is about some permutation of family fucking



like what the hell happened here? We're so desensitized to seeing fucking that we need something to shock us ?
13312364, bugged out how Clueless ended with a sister and stepbrother dating
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-07-19 10:37 AM
I was like What theeee fuck?

13312380, isnt that around the time the brady bunch movie came out too?
Posted by mista k5, Thu Feb-07-19 11:20 AM
13312382, Never seen it. Not sure about the connection
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-07-19 11:24 AM
but I always thought it was weird and nasty how that movie ended

I have no idea why it’s a thing in pron these days but I guess it’s getting good results or they would abandon it

13390902, Maybe it's the forbidden love/they'd kill us if we get caught angle
Posted by Oak27, Fri Jun-26-20 02:21 PM
But if that's the case why can't it be "guy seduces girlfriend's sister/best friend" instead?


>I have no idea why it’s a thing in pron these days but I
>guess it’s getting good results or they would abandon it
>
>
13312554, Precisely
Posted by Madvillain 626, Fri Feb-08-19 05:16 AM
We're so desensitized to
>seeing fucking that we need something to shock us ?

Same reason you got niggas in their 20's with erectile dysfunction. "Urge overkill" as George Clinton would say.

i'd say the uptick in men wifing/dating single mothers has also caused the demand for step____ porn



13312870, Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction
Posted by Amritsar, Mon Feb-11-19 10:30 AM
some of the best men of my generation ..
13312844, shit is mad fucking weird. never bothered watching but see titles/caps
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:20 AM
half the time it's some oddball relation (step sibling or cousin or some shit), like that is some sort of mitigating circumstance, wtf? i feel like sometimes they slap it on common scenes just for click bait, which is disturbing
13312878, Real talk, I just look at the photo image
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Feb-11-19 10:42 AM
If it’s enticing I click on it.

I know these folks aren’t related.. lol.

If I’m on the site I’m not going to censor myself over some corny story line or click bait title.
13312955, exactly, also a lotta stuff falls under different strokes for different folks
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:36 PM
there is nothing exciting to me about piss/scat stuff or trans stuff but for other people there is and i don't feel like legislating taste or censoring it privately.

the things that are repugnant in porn are deceptive practices, use of drugs to push things too far, etc. kind of hard things to prove, again i think the consumer has to vote with their dollar/clicks. so far they are voting for some nasty-ass shit though
13390899, It's SO bad I've seen stuff renamed
Posted by double negative, Fri Jun-26-20 01:48 PM
like, no shame, I'm an avid watcher - the wierdest shit is seeing many of my personal greatest hits being stolen and renamed some crazy off the wall title like "me and my sister...", "snuck into my cousin's...", "MOM"
13312378, Still too steeped in male anger, fantasy power
Posted by Mori, Thu Feb-07-19 11:18 AM
When porn starts to shift the power dynamic, then it might get regulated. I see most porn as white male fantasies. Being able to use their penis to lord over anyone, even family members and animals. Even the colors are dark and demonic, lots of reds, greys, black web themes.

I see most porn as expression of how much men resent that someone can say yes or no to their advances in the real world.

Even same sex male porn depends so heavily on control, pain, force, extreme behaviors and domination.

I think somewhere love, affection, tenderness and authenticity will become more arousing. But for now mid evil, dark porn is what we get.
13312383, Excellent diagnosis.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Feb-07-19 11:24 AM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312553, That's real sad :(
Posted by mellowboogie, Fri Feb-08-19 04:19 AM
13312564, They have sensual pron
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Feb-08-19 10:06 AM
It’s good but it also takes a long for them to get going.

There are also women directing these days.



13312590, ^^^all of this
Posted by Damali, Fri Feb-08-19 11:19 AM
13312743, thats why i pay and purchase from the pornstars themselves
Posted by tomjohn29, Fri Feb-08-19 08:11 PM
they are in control of their own content
13312841, still? more than ever
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:05 AM
there is a niche for female-focused porn as porn has proliferated but it has grown negligibly compared fucked up shit pertaining to violence, rape, incest, etc. the world, essentially, is becoming japan.

now that said, relative to the original post, regulation was staunch in japan and remains that way. hence the blurred genitals during penetration and all that, and also hence all the super weird ass shit they animate as a workaround. in repressing conventional porn after WW2, they created the forebearer of much more twisted shit.

13312756, Arizona wants to do some regulating - CNN swipe
Posted by c71, Sat Feb-09-19 05:08 AM
so.....

Is the TOKPR'ing going to start and....say...."yeah, but......"?


Has to start somewhere...and Arizona seems to be doing it.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/09/health/arizona-porn-public-health/index.html


Arizona considers calling porn a public health crisis


By Madeline Holcombe, CNN

Updated 4:12 AM ET, Sat February 9, 2019

Arizona is considering a resolution to classify porn as a public health crisis.


(CNN)Pornography may soon be considered a public health crisis in Arizona -- depending on the fate of a resolution in the state.

Arizona state Rep. Michelle Udall, R-Mesa, introduced a resolution declaring "pornography is a crisis leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts."









The resolution says pornography "perpetuates a sexually toxic environment that damages all areas of our society."







CNN has reached out to Udall for comment, but has not heard back. But in reports on local media, she cited the effects of excessive erotic images on the society.

"Like the tobacco industry, the pornography industry has created a public health crisis," Udall told lawmakers, according to the Arizona Republic. "Pornography is used pervasively, even by minors."
The resolution passed a committee vote along party lines and now moves to the Arizona House, where Republicans hold a slim majority.
Opponents agree that while there are dangers in excessive porn, the bill misses the underlying problem.

"If we really want to look at this, we should start with education. It's embarrassing that we are one of the states that does not have medically accurate sex education. In testimony, they were trying to blame everything on pornography. That is a stretch," said Democrat Rep. Pamela Powers Hannley, who is sponsoring a different bill, HB2577, that focuses on medically accurate sex education.

"I don't disagree that the bill needs more teeth," said Rep. Jay Lawrence, R-Scottsdale, who ultimately voted for the measure, according to the Arizona Republic. "That is our goal."
The debate nationwide


National organizations have been debating how to classify pornography for years.

In a 2012 edition of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Crisis, Emergency, and Risk Communication manual (PDF), crises are described as "time-sensitive" and crisis communication tends to occur when "an unexpected and threatening event requires an immediate response."

The CDC has told CNN it "does not have an established position on pornography as a public health issue. Pornography can be connected to other public health issues like sexual violence and occupational HIV transmission."

The Republican party voted to add an amendment adding pornography as a "public health crisis" to the party's platform in 2016.
The National Center on Sexual Exploitation agrees with the Republican Party, said Dawn Hawkins, the center's senior vice president and executive director.

Hawkins said that some youth view pornography before they reach puberty, and it may be educating them about sex, which she said is disturbing because about 88% of porn videos depict physical aggression, according to a 2010 study published in the journal Violence Against Women.

Emily Rothman, an associate professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, argues it is not so simple.

"I think there are 'public health implications' of pornography," Rothman said. "But just like anything else, it matters what type of pornography we are talking about, who is watching it, why they are watching it, what they do with that experience, and how it interacts with any pre-existing problems they have going on, such as a propensity for violence."

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs resolution calling porn a 'health hazard'

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs resolution calling porn a 'health hazard'
Utah was the first state in the nation to declare pornography a public health crisis in 2016, but measures have been passed in 11 other states since.

Utah's resolution has no punishing powers; it doesn't specifically ban pornography in the state.

Instead, a spokesman for Utah's Gov. Gary Herbert said, resolutions against pornography are intended to increase awareness and education.
CNN's Chris Boyette, Forrest Brown and Tal Kopan contributed to this report.
13312842, That was a confusing summary
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:07 AM
One person is calling for more sex education (GOOD), another wants "more teeth" (vague), and overall this seems to be a move to place a pejorative label on pornography. That is ambiguous, what exactly do they want to do about this "public health crisis?"
13312849, Teen suffers life-changing injury trying to imitate porn:
Posted by Monkey Genius, Mon Feb-11-19 07:26 AM
https://nyp.st/2DoYcdI
13312855, access to it? Nah, that's a slippery slope that ends badly
Posted by kayru99, Mon Feb-11-19 09:03 AM
shit like netnanny already exists, and works really well.

the industry itself? YES. Absolutely should be regulated more
13312879, Yeah I think that's what I had in mind.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Feb-11-19 10:43 AM
Doesn't make sense to go after viewers but make the people making it more responsible for what they make and put out there.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312954, there is some of that but not much, seemed like a big push in early 2ks
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Feb-11-19 01:33 PM
Some of the more out-there stuff landed people in legal trouble, notably Max Hardcore went to jail and the people at Extreme Associates (who also had some kind of pro wrestling business) were in court a lot but I don't think anything came of it.

It was a state-by-state thing and hard to get charges to stick. Falls under the broader category of obscenity statutes and back then porn was distributed more in its physical form (VHS, DVD) than it is today.
13390846, There is a call to shutdown the overtly racist porn out there.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Jun-26-20 09:23 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/racism-porn-industry-protest-1010853/


It's funny because when I went googling to find the article that I read about it earlier in the week I got all these racist categories pop up from pornhub and videos.

I was wondering how the people who thought porn shouldn't be more regulated felt about racist porn.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13390862, you're kind of moving goalposts
Posted by atruhead, Fri Jun-26-20 10:30 AM
your initial premise was "what happens on screen isnt cool"

now you've linked an article about what takes place off camera and marginalization. as a black music journalist, let me say these issues are not exclusive to pornography

a lot of women (performers and fans regardless of race) seem to enjoy the type of filmed sex that you find degrading, humanity is complex that way

but black talent deserving equal treatment and opportunities is not the same argument as "hold on why is she letting men abuse her?" it all circles back to two ideas: these are consenting adults and why are you watching anything that makes you squeamish. maybe your discomfort is rooted in you enjoying some of it

13390866, Fair point. I shared the wrong article. I meant to share this one.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Jun-26-20 10:49 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/big-porn-cashes-in-on-racism-and-anti-semitism/


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13390877, what will the cucks do
Posted by Amritsar, Fri Jun-26-20 11:50 AM
13391033, Re-brand as "reparation sex"
Posted by flipnile, Sat Jun-27-20 10:27 AM
13390927, Church, Porn and The Barbershop is where we will always split
Posted by double negative, Fri Jun-26-20 04:13 PM
no matter how far we think we get I know we havent moved on because of the grotesque fantasies played out in porn.

It's an area where it shows the most naked view of how we think about black bodies, masculinity, beauty standards, stereotypes

it's gross as fuck.
13390880, agreed. (not reading the replies to this post tho)
Posted by Damali, Fri Jun-26-20 11:58 AM
13390896, like anything, create your own lane
Posted by seasoned vet, Fri Jun-26-20 01:32 PM
13390903, the kids of today and the kids of tomorrow have a different perspective
Posted by double negative, Fri Jun-26-20 02:22 PM
I think the the kids of today and the kids of tomorrow will have such a different view on sex and sexuality that I don't think we will even be able to measure "decency", "taboo" in the same ways we measure those things for ourselves.

and before I continue, NO. NO I AM NOT SUGGESTING SOME DOWNWARD SLIDE INTO ABJECT IMMORALITY

I just think or have a sense that...ok, I also have to put this out here - In NO WAY am I saying this as a kumbaya, "we're all going to get along together!" statement. There will always be progression, conservation and attempts at regression socially.

ok.

I just think that or have a sense that things are about to get real messy - meaning that the hard lined views of people, dating and sex will morph. I embrace the change and I know that I'm aging out. When I was at the end of my single days I realized I had a different view of sex and sexuality from the younger generation.

Hetereoflexiblity will become closer to a standard of being - that is to say same sex interactions for mostly heterosexual people will not be a defining event but seen as a part of dating.

"Oh, aint that homie you used to smash over there?"

"Oh yeah...man, I avoided a real shit show with that one. Anyway so I was saying to my wife last night..."


Like our privacy and internal thoughts, sex will not be viewed as the ultimate form of closeness or intimacy. Sex will still be special, but also just something that becomes as common as drinking a beer.



Long post short, my thoughts are, the kids are over sex, it's going to be common, it wont be seen as the ultimate in intimacy anymore. Sexual orientation will become an accepted kaleidoscope of endless possible combinations. Relationships will become an accepted kaleidoscope of endless permutations.


Like, I think about a specific mental exercise.
Imagine if you had a time machine, a copy of a porno mag and a cloak of invisibility. Trip to the start of each decade, put on the invisible cloak, find a group of teenage boys and drop that magazine.

1920 - WOWZA!
1950 - GOLLY!
1970 - GROOVY!
1990 - FUCK YEAH!
2010 - OH.
2030 - PAPER?!
2050 - I wonder what shes thinking in that pose. This is vintage. I wonder how much this would fetch if I sold it.

13417499, RE: the kids of today and the kids of tomorrow have a different perspective
Posted by jimaveli, Mon Dec-21-20 09:35 AM
I have no idea how it’s gonna work for building lasting relationships if that’s even going to be a goal but I’m with you on this.

You even see it with teens and preteens now quite a bit. They all have phones and tablets/computers. And with that, they have ridiculous access. And they don’t immediately go look up nudity and sex stuff every chance they get. Hell, I’m in my 40s and I will still end up looking at a titty or something sexual if I’m on the internet for a while in one sitting! Haha. It was a different time when I was growing up. Grandpas were up on that JC Penny’s underwear section like ‘heyyyyyy!’.

To these kids, taboo is blood, death, suicide, and other scary/weird stuff. Jokes about school shootings and zombies/doomsday scenarios. The squirrelliest anime. Gayness and/or bisexuality. And oh my lord, PRETENDING TO BE SAD. Little fuckers, you ain’t sad. You have a pool, a dog, and 15 friends.

And really, I’m surprised at how many girls and women I know who just switched from Hetero to gay or bi basically out of nowhere. Cousins. Coworkers. Even a couple of my kid’s friends are going around claiming they’re bisexual. I’m like ‘all of you mfers are nosexual and you don’t have any idea about any of that shit’.

>I think the the kids of today and the kids of tomorrow will
>have such a different view on sex and sexuality that I don't
>think we will even be able to measure "decency", "taboo" in
>the same ways we measure those things for ourselves.
>
>and before I continue, NO. NO I AM NOT SUGGESTING SOME
>DOWNWARD SLIDE INTO ABJECT IMMORALITY
>
>I just think or have a sense that...ok, I also have to put
>this out here - In NO WAY am I saying this as a kumbaya,
>"we're all going to get along together!" statement. There will
>always be progression, conservation and attempts at regression
>socially.
>
>ok.
>
>I just think that or have a sense that things are about to get
>real messy - meaning that the hard lined views of people,
>dating and sex will morph. I embrace the change and I know
>that I'm aging out. When I was at the end of my single days I
>realized I had a different view of sex and sexuality from the
>younger generation.
>
>Hetereoflexiblity will become closer to a standard of being -
>that is to say same sex interactions for mostly heterosexual
>people will not be a defining event but seen as a part of
>dating.
>
>"Oh, aint that homie you used to smash over there?"
>
>"Oh yeah...man, I avoided a real shit show with that one.
>Anyway so I was saying to my wife last night..."
>
>
>Like our privacy and internal thoughts, sex will not be viewed
>as the ultimate form of closeness or intimacy. Sex will still
>be special, but also just something that becomes as common as
>drinking a beer.
>
>
>
>Long post short, my thoughts are, the kids are over sex, it's
>going to be common, it wont be seen as the ultimate in
>intimacy anymore. Sexual orientation will become an accepted
>kaleidoscope of endless possible combinations. Relationships
>will become an accepted kaleidoscope of endless permutations.
>
>
>
>Like, I think about a specific mental exercise.
>Imagine if you had a time machine, a copy of a porno mag and a
>cloak of invisibility. Trip to the start of each decade, put
>on the invisible cloak, find a group of teenage boys and drop
>that magazine.
>
>1920 - WOWZA!
>1950 - GOLLY!
>1970 - GROOVY!
>1990 - FUCK YEAH!
>2010 - OH.
>2030 - PAPER?!
>2050 - I wonder what shes thinking in that pose. This is
>vintage. I wonder how much this would fetch if I sold it.
>
>
13391004, lol this place is geriatric as fuck
Posted by Hellyeah, Sat Jun-27-20 05:02 AM
regulations regulations regulations...this is what turns on old heads, not porn
13417078, You're not cool though. No one knows who you are
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Dec-16-20 10:28 PM
>regulations regulations regulations...this is what turns on
>old heads, not porn

And "Anything goes" isn't always cool, grow up a little.
13417396, RE: You're not cool though. No one knows who you are
Posted by Hellyeah, Sat Dec-19-20 04:36 PM
the fuck is that even supposed to mean on a thread about porn?

13416974, Apparently Nicholas Kristof agrees and shutdown Pornhub
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Dec-16-20 10:44 AM
At least how we knew it.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/12/10/nicholas-kristof-an/





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13417079, pornhub's shittiness isn't the end all of porn
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Dec-16-20 11:15 PM
or of abuse content on the internet, which ph wasn't even the worst pushed of

that said, it's funny how suddenly they could get their asses in gear when visa and mastercard yanked their chain

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13417091, Porn is really not good for anything
Posted by Musa, Thu Dec-17-20 03:14 AM
it's a twisted industry.

Can't claim I haven't watched my fair share but at the end of the day it was of no benefit.
13417092, Yeah I couldn’t imagine have access to this shit as a tween/teen
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-17-20 06:22 AM
13417094, probably woulda never left the house....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Dec-17-20 08:10 AM

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"
13417115, rewires your brain at a critical age of development
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Dec-17-20 10:24 AM
That "Death Grip" is a real thing.
13417150, apparently facebook has a much larger child pornography problem
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-17-20 12:56 PM
than pornhub.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6gqyIXcAE3Ol5?format=png&name=large

add that to the long list of destructive/egregious aspects of facebook that pundits ignore while launching high profile crusades against lesser/smaller offenders.
13417179, I know this probably isn't what this is referring to BUT
Posted by Adwhizz, Thu Dec-17-20 03:13 PM
When I'm scrolling my timeline and I see One of my friends posting naked pictures of their babies/toddlers it's damned unsettling
13417415, SMH.
Posted by IsaIsaIsa, Sat Dec-19-20 10:45 PM

www.Tupreme.com

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C