Us - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNCmb-4oXJA

Ok so this looks like its a well executed film. BUT.... I don’t really need black horror films as a genre. The only thing I want out of a horror flick is a compelling plot, good acting, and freakishly scary visuals. I don’t need my horror to speak to my cultural upbringing with Luniz references and HU sweaters. Get Out was lightning in a bottle. Let it live on it’s own.

Where I like to see us represented is in comedy and dramas. I’d rather see Peele put his energy into comedic projects, that offers a younger, more hip hop alternative to the brand of films that Tyler Perry puts out.

>Ok so this looks like its a well executed film. BUT.... I
>don’t really need black horror films as a genre. The only
>thing I want out of a horror flick is a compelling plot, good
>acting, and freakishly scary visuals. I don’t need my horror
>to speak to my cultural upbringing with Luniz references and
>HU sweaters. Get Out was lightning in a bottle. Let it live on
>it’s own.
>
>Where I like to see us represented is in comedy and dramas.
>I’d rather see Peele put his energy into comedic projects,
>that offers a younger, more hip hop alternative to the brand
>of films that Tyler Perry puts out.
>


We alredy have that. The horror genre is a long ass time coming and now its here.

From the preview, it looks like a horror movie where the main characters just happen to be black.

As black characters, they are probably going to live like black folks

In other words, you'd prefer if this movie starred.... white people?

Man please spend some time reading what you wrote here and analyze where it comes from.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

LMAO!!! That just came on before I came back in the office. "Good hair?..."

like "make another one".

Can't blame the guy

so is it technically "another one"?

Black Mirror has made dystopian horror wildly popular right now so I'm happy our folk are jumping in and staying in

d

" I don’t need my horror to speak to my cultural upbringing with Luniz references and HU sweaters. Get Out was lightning in a bottle."

How else can I interpret this to mean that you would have no push back or issue if this was Paul Rudd wearing a Tufts sweatshirt and Steely Dan was the soundtrack?

Why is it featuring black actors and black signifiers and issue?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...but two Black horror flicks in recent years is just too much for you. Good grief.





Since 1976

a film about Black self-destruction

in a movie about Black self-destruction AND having the pro-drug song the first thing in the preview is telling you what is the aim (the little girl actually tells her brother the song is about drugs).


The film is connecting "Us" Blacks to destruction and drugs.

Are you afraid of a little weed?

That was the first thing I thought. That orchestral version bumps (slaps as the yungins say).

Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPN5CGcQ0I

Did y'all peep that Lupita was off?

but now that he has to change up, he's making a film where Black people are completely/totally their own worst enemy.

uh....


See?

He's trying to show balance. Metaphorically making Black people the bad guy to their own selves.

Peele has been racial since Key & Peele. He went really racial with "get out"


He's taking his outsider status (exemplified by Arie Spears saying how much Peele ain't really Black - which Spears dialed back after "Get Out" was a hit) and turning it to Black people.


You can hope Peele ain't focusing his analysis on Black people, but that's just wishful thinking. He clearly is.

http://collider.com/us-movie-trailer-explained-jordan-peele/#poster


Less than a year after winning an Oscar for Get Out, writer-director Jordan Peele introduced the trailer for his new horror movie Us to a select group of journalists last week in Los Angeles.

While the film has been shrouded in secrecy since it was first announced, Peele explained that Us stars Lupita Nyong’o and Winston Duke from Black Panther, as well as child actors Shahadi Wright Joseph (soon to be heard as young Nala in The Lion King) and Evan Alex. In the vaguest of terms, they play a family who encounter uninvited guests at their beach house. Emmy winner Elisabeth Moss (The Handmaid’s Tale) and Tim Heidecker co-star as family friends. It’s still unclear who Yahya Abdul-Mateen II (Aquaman) and Anna Diop are playing, but they co-star alongside Kara Hayward, Nathan Harrington and twins Cali and Noelle Sheldon, while Jack Nicholson‘s grandson Duke Nicholson also has a small role.

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Image via Universal Pictures

Peele said it was important for him to cast a black family at the center of a horror movie, though he specifically said that unlike Get Out, his new film is “not about race.” Instead, Peele revealed that it’s “about something I feel has become an undeniable truth, and that is the simple fact that we are our own worst enemies.” That’s certainly what the copy in the trailer is emphasizing. While Peele may be steering clear of race this time around, Us still seems inherently political, as if Peele has fashioned a monster out of our inner demons and the darkest impulses that we keep repressed.

“I dedicated a lot of myself to creating a new horror mythology, and a new monster,” said Peele, who called Us “a labor of love.” Peele said he likes operating in the horror genre because it allows him to confront societal fears. Peele hopes the trailer will be a “nice, eerie, creepy-ass gift” for genre fans as they celebrate the holidays with their families. You’ve probably seen it by now, but if you’ve been too busy opening presents then CLICK HERE RIGHT NOW.

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Image via Universal Pictures

The trailer opens with Duke and Nyong’o driving to their beach house with their daughter and young son, who is wearing a mask. The Luniz song “I Got Five On It” is playing over the car stereo. The family meets up with Moss and Heidecker on the beach and the boy wanders off, eventually crossing paths with a blood-soaked man carrying a pair of scissors. Later that night, the family is startled when another family appears menacingly in their driveway. “It’s probably the neighbors,” they think. But we soon come to learn that it’s not the neighbors. “It’s us.” Yes, it seems that the family is attacking itself. “They look like us. They think like us… and they won’t stop until they kill us, or we kill them.” Nyongo’s tells her son, “stick with me and I’ll keep you safe,” but of course, that’s easier said than done. I mean, how do you prevent your daughter from strangling herself? I can’t wait to see this movie, because the trailer left me with even more questions than I had when I knew nothing about Us.

After the trailer ended (to much applause from press), Peele ran out on the stage and pantomimed a mic drop before the studio played the trailer one more time. And then that was it. There was no Q&A with Peele. We still don’t know who wears the awesome glove as seen on the poster, nor do we know the significance of the scissors, the red robes, and what Universal and Peele have referred to as “the untethering.” Also… what’s with all the rabbits? We’ll just have to wait and see.

As I left the Universal lot, I couldn’t help but think to myself, ‘the Candyman remake is in good hands.’ Once you’ve seen the first trailer for Us, let me know what you think on Twitter and in the comments section below.

I didn't have to read that in the swipe you posted. I could tell that from the preview itself


but...


thanks for posting for the others to see.


I guess we don't have to wait and see now, do we?

>I guess we don't have to wait and see now, do we?

Anything else I can dismiss out of hand?

yep

but go ahead.

If Peele wanted to, from the Velvet Underground to Iggy Pop to Nirvana, he could have had a white family listening to some drug referencing rock songs and had a white little girl tell her white little brother her parents white rock music was about drugs.


but....


It was a Black family having that discussing the first thing in the trailer ....in a movie about "we being our own worst enemy."


that is the point Peele is CHOOSING to make with the racial group he choose to cast (not by accident).


He's always been racial.

So miss me with that shit.

I forgot I was talking to a dumb nigga who is too dumb to realize he's a dumb nigga.

Good luck with life

not a white family talking about drugged up Iggy Pop songs.

Otherwise you sound like another lowest common denominator character that argues their opinions as facts.

And, for what it’s worth, I think C71’s educated guess of the theme of the movie is a decent theory, backed by the actual article above with the quote saying the film is about the enemy being “us”, in addition to what we can actually see on the screen in the trailer. As such, I am not interested in this film at all. I don’t think the enemy of black people is black people. We didn’t redline our own neighborhoods, refuse to hire ourselves for jobs, create food deserts in our communities etc. The premise is flawed if the premise is that black people are our own worst enemy. I won’t be buying a ticket, unless I get some information that indicates that there is an entirely different premise being presented. I’m not even sure a race neutral premise (the worst enemy of any person is themselves) works in the context of Black actors being cast as the leads in this film, considering things like Jim Crow, slavery, colonialism, etc.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

The song is called "I Got Five On It."

Which is five words long and also includes the number 5.

Five squared is 25.

Y is the 25th letter of the alphabet.

By including it in the trailer (and not just including it, but foregrounding it,) he's really using it to ask "why," as in "why do the absolute dumbest people on the internet insist on projecting their own weird bullshit on to a trailer for a movie they'll never see?"

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

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Have been different if it starred a White family?

Substance abuse/domestic violence/greed or any other moral shortcoming that could potentially inferred from the small amount of footage we saw doesn't just affect Black people.

We know very little about what the film is going to be about, for all we know the evil clone family could be some aliens come to take over Earth.

A movie where all the protagonists have all of their shittogether, have no challenges to overcome and always do exactly what they're supposed to do would be a very boring movie

>We know very little about what the film is going to be about,
>for all we know the evil clone family could be some aliens
>come to take over Earth.
>


I was reminded of this picture after seeing a review on my current Youtube obsession channel

Peele stole this from Ice Cube, notice the title and the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doxk9HIC83E

and the Peele movie are connected, you got quite a few folks in here who want to believe that Peele "this movie ain't about race" denial to spar with.

The Ice Cube song was the first thing I thought of after I watched the trailer. I was wondering where he was going with the title until I saw the doppelgängers and then I was like “yeahhh I’m not interested in this at all”

Interesting choice to make the male and female leads African nationals. Is he gonna go for an African nationalist angle that the continent’s “worst enemy” is themselves or are the doppelgängers supposed to be (metaphorically) African Americans? Y’all tell me when you see it because I won’t be.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

he from TNT

I know it's inevitable, but folks are going to read way too much into this movie like they did with "Get Out". Let this movie succeed or fail on its own merit of being an entertaining film. No need to psycho analyze every frame of film and be upset when the film isn't what you want it to be.

And he clearly has it again here.


I don't want the film to be anything. He is focusing on Black self-destruction.

I hope it ain't that anti-Black, but I definitely see your interpretation

doesn't appear to be very stereotypical (or is it?). can't wait to see what peele is
getting at with this one...Us? US? U.S.?

that most of the cast are black, not Black.

There is nothing that is clear about what this movie is about from the Trailer or Peele's statements about the movie.

But yall please, tell us more what this movie is about before it comes out so we can come back and clown yall when it finally drops.

Let the overanalyzing of this movie begin!!!!

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

When people lost their minds when it didn't address the imaginary conspiracies that only they could see.

to be about this, because that type of message is out of fashion with the black smart set nowadays. It's too close to pound cake speech/respectability politics stuff, which is anathema. And we all generally like Jordan Peele, so there's a cognitive dissonance now.

which wasn't a given, especially when his peer Ari Spears had a lot of "he's an outsider" criticism of Peele.


The thing is Peele said in that swipe from reply #17 (that supposedly isn't making things somewhat clear) that he is bringing up psychology issues that people repress/deny/resist whatever. And.........with his own biracial history/perspective (he's said to have had words with Ari Spears after Spears said that critical stuff about him) it is pretty easy to see that Peele (yes, even if he is smart/skilled/talented enough to pull this "Us" film in a "murkier" direction/message) is talking about his OWN repressed/not wanting to be direct feelings about Black people.

That's why Peele denying it (film supposedly not about race) in that reply #17 swipe is sort of like him battling what he's repressing.


So this is pretty fascinating however this turns out.

swipe.....


....are not issues you can just bring up and then side swipe them or push them under the rug.


The fact that the issues are brought up at all (with his biracial identity and history of racial commentary art) is clearly showing that those issues are a part of the film - esp. a film that is exploring repressed psychological issues that people don't want to face.

How can you critique something without actually seeing it? You're literally going off of a 3 minute trailer (Which btw, are designed not to give everything-especially key twists) away.

the issues that are being "brought up" in the movie


Peele can make a great or terrible movie out of the issues in the movie, but the issues still are the issues.


The theme's brought up. The fact that his history makes Peele incapable of not saying something racial when there are clearly racial things in the trailer.

You gotta expect yo to jump out the window and make wild declarative statements without knowing everything

I wonder......?

if the movie turns out to be about what you say it is, it won't mean you were somehow right. It will only mean you were willing to draw conclusions earlier than I was.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Teknontheou agreed in reply #30


Slate.com agreed (reply #47 - which IkeMoses tried to dismiss because of the author's race in reply #52).


I'm satisfied

.

seems like it gives away a lot but for all we know the movie takes a whole different turn so not going to assume anything about it.

definitely looking forward to seeing it.

"it nonetheless seems to be stretching the truth to say race doesn’t play a major part."


https://slate.com/culture/2018/12/jordan-peeles-us-trailer-race.html


BROW BEAT
In the Trailer for Jordan Peele’s Us, We Are Our Own Worst Enemy—Literally

By SAM ADAMS

DEC 26, 201812:39 PM



The week before Christmas, Jordan Peele took the unusual step of screening a trailer for his second movie, Us, to a small group of film writers in New York and Los Angeles. He didn’t seem entirely sure what he was doing there himself—why does a two-minute trailer designed to introduce audiences to a movie need its own introduction?—but since he was, he had one particular point he wanted to make: Unlike his Oscar-winning Get Out, he told his select audience, Us “is not about race.”

Based on the trailer, which has racked up almost 5 million YouTube views in the last day, that’s a claim that’s going to require some scrutiny. The movie centers on a family, composed of parents played by Winston Duke and Lupita Nyong’o, and their two children, who are menaced by their exact doppelgangers: four figures who appear out of the woods near their house and take on their forms, apparently intent on killing and replacing them. Duke’s character, clad in a Howard sweatshirt, brandishes a baseball bat and offers to “get crazy” with the half-seen intruders,” but the threat rings hollow: Whatever his origins, he’s now an upper middle class guy who owns a boat and has white friends (Elisabeth Moss and Tim Heidecker) who say things like “It’s vodka o’clock.” In the opening scene, Duke’s character is driving his family when Luniz’s weed-smoking anthem “I Got 5 on It” comes on the stereo. He proclaims it a “classic,” but his young son doesn’t know it at all, and when his wife tells the child to feel the song’s beat, she can’t quite seem to snap in time with it. When the intruders break into their home, Duke refers to them as “you people.”


According to Peele, the theme of Us is that “we are our own worst enemy,” which the movie appears to take to audaciously literal lengths. It looks scary as hell, and proves that the trend of slowing down songs to give trailers a little extra creepiness works for hip-hop as well as pop. Moreover, the list of movies Peele gave Nyong’o to prepare for the role includes some extremely exciting forbears—not just obvious progenitors like The Shining and Funny Games but The Babadook and the terrifying Korean ghost story A Tale of Two Sisters—none of which are in the allegorical “social horror” traditional in which Peele placed Get Out. (He’s apparently saving those stories for his Twilight Zone reboot.) But if it’s not a full-on parable about race in America, it nonetheless seems to be stretching the truth to say race doesn’t play a major part. (Merely casting Heidecker, who excels at embodying a form of oblivious white privilege, feels like a judgement.) Like any advance promotion, Peele’s statement seems to have more to do with how he hopes the movie will be talked about than the movie itself. Whether or not audiences and critics play along will be interesting to see.

accident, then yes, the denial will be examined.


Why would a director DESIGN a trailer that seemingly goes against his denial?


edit: It was not just a think piece on a trailer, it was also examining the "unusual" step of Peele trying to shape how the film will be received with that event that he held where Peele made the denial.

Maybe to sell a movie?

?

It’s not a full project at the moment.
It’s a movie trailer and some limited press. All parts of the movie promotion process.
The question you’re asking won’t be fully answerable until after the movie in total comes out.

That's why the Slate.com piece noted that it was an "unusual" step to hold an event like that.

but nice try at deflection


yep

can see a black cast in a movie and immediately fear that the movie is saying bad shit about black people.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

to make that denial if the trailer wasn't saying something he was trying to dispel somehow.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

nope

hmmm........

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

that's the way it goes with analyzing art and messages.


I don't deny what there due to wishful thinking of wanting a figurehead to be my spokesperson/idol.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

that

what did you mean?

Peele fans here are ignoring what's in the trailer because (like Teknontheou said in reply #37) "we all generally like Jordan Peele, so there's a cognitive dissonance now"


I'm evaluating what's in the trailer


Peele fans are saying what's in the trailer doesn't matter because the movie could have more scenes that somehow disqualify what's in the trailer.


My sentence wasn't confusing at all.

so, you gathered that this movie is about self-destruction. fine. maybe it is. maybe it isn't.

"I don't deny what there due to wishful thinking of wanting a figurehead to be my spokesperson/idol."


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That sentence makes sense.

He’s saying he won’t denying what he sees in the trailer (black people faced with a mortal enemy that is a variation of themselves) because he thinks Peele would not follow through on such a self-defeating premise after making a film like Get Out. At this point, all we have is theories. And C71’s theory is decent enough. So good that no one in this thread has offered any ideas of other potential premises based on what we have seen so far. If the premise isn’t what C71 thinks it is, what do y’all think the movie will be about? Trailers are designed to stir up fan interest and get you wondering what a film is about. No one has a different theory?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

the black man he accused of lying was me.

but go on and type more paragraphs

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

How you jumped from being asked a question to saying you were being called a liar is beyond me.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>to make that denial if the trailer wasn't saying something he
>was trying to dispel somehow.


I just made a similar point.. I wonder why you didn’t get an actual answer?

is thinking, since we're all directly connected to his brain and can speak for him.

how do y'all cross the street without getting hit by buses?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

forget the box office hype and just put in on netflix/demand...

a quiet place could have been a black family

maybe even heredity, if it was about like voodoo instead or something...

‪Wait! Jordan Peele picked “I’ve Got 5 On It” because he thought it was a dope track and not some deeper meaning of Black folks’ fascination with drug culture making us our own worst enemy as Think Piece Twitter would have us to believe?‬

https://ew.com/trailers/2018/12/25/us-movie-trailer-jordan-peele/

“ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Why did you decide to use Luniz’s “I Got 5 On It”:


JORDAN PEELE: That song, it came pretty simple, I’m making a movie in Northern California, that’s a bay area hip-hop classic and I wanted to explore this very relatable journey of being a parent maybe some of the songs you listened to back in the day aren’t appropriate for your kids. So that was one level, and another part was, I love songs that have a great feeling but also have a haunting element to them and I feel like the beat in that song has this inherent cryptic energy, almost reminiscent of the Nightmare on Elm Street soundtrack. So those were the ideas that that song hit the bullseye on for me, and also, it’s just a dope track.”

That flip was disgustingly dope

the ghooouullish doobie!!

react to what the girl said?

That didn't have to be included in the script - but it was.

Nor the song.
Have you ever watched a movie?
You recognize they’re different from the movie trailers right?

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3425931/coolest-get-out-scenes-missing-jordan-peele/

https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/movies/47071/41-trailer-scenes-that-didn-t-make-the-final-film

the trailer and the FIRST thing in the trailer says it's relevance.

you keep pivoting and twisting and turning and call it "critical analysis" lol

go sit the fuck down some where.

in fact, how about sitting your dumb ass in front of the actual movie.

d

You’re jumping to a conclusion as much as he is if you say his theory is definitively wrong when none of us have seen the film yet.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

.

C71 seems to be saying he thinks the premise is "the worst enemy for black folk is black folk"

Where did Peele explicitly say "this movie is NOT about the worst enemy of black folk being black folk"?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

the girl is older and knows the track is about drugs. the son is younger and the father doesn't want to have that discussion with him at that moment. I've done this with my own kids and I'm sure other folks have as well.

been preoccupied with a tablet and some headphones.


No scene has to have an exchange about drugs.

There was that exchange because the writer WANTED an exchange about drugs to be in the movie.

the scene was about the interaction with the sis, bro, and pops discussing the song.

prolly getting into symantics and minutia at this point.

who said they put the scene in by mistake? nobody. this is more about you seeming to paint a whole movie, that's 3 months away, based on a trailer. trailers are meant to throw you off, but you can cook tho.

“I wanted to explore this very relatable journey of being a parent maybe some of the songs you listened to back in the day aren’t appropriate for your kids.“

stop it. get some help.

evaluations.

Wise your dome and do the Alpha. Know the ledge young brotha.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

"Why you treat me so bad" - Club Noveau

A typical response to feeling betrayed by your own community?

seem too "whatever"....on a messageboard.


yep

You were proven wrong multiple times in the post.

like, dude its ok to be wrong. it doesn't make you a bad person or not smart.

its ok to be like, ok i interepreted something one way, but actually it wasn't that. cool

d

yep

I can see what he’s getting at.

I watched the trailer and loved it. I caught the Luniz reference, which I suspected was put in the movie as a reference to black folk and the(supposed) glamorisation of drug culture.

I’ve heard the tag line about we are our own worst enemy and I immediately thought to myself that I hope they tread carefully with this line of black critique as I don’t need the average white person pointing the finger back at us on some ‘you destroying yourselves’ shit!

I get what Peele has said in that it’s about the universal ‘us’, but that still doesn’t mean he isn’t using the black experience for this metaphor even though the bigger picture is supposedly not race.

Only time will tell and I look forward to watching it.

I'm gonna take a guess and say unlike c71 you could at least wait for the movie to make a definitive statement though.

based on "you are your own worst enemy" and a black cast

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For the past several decades, any time the conditions of the Black community is discussed, the phrase "proliferation of drugs" is usually brought up. Hip-hop particularly is viewed as very drug-oriented.

Birdzeye wrote:

"I suspected was put in the movie as a reference to black folk and the(supposed) glamorisation of drug culture."


When drugs are brought up (first thing in the trailer) and the theme is revealed ("own worst enemy")....


...it doesn't seem believable that those things ("drugs" "own worst enemy") are unrelated.

>For the past several decades, any time the conditions of the
>Black community is discussed, the phrase "proliferation of
>drugs" is usually brought up. Hip-hop particularly is viewed
>as very drug-oriented.
>
>Birdzeye wrote:
>
>"I suspected was put in the movie as a reference to black folk
>and the(supposed) glamorisation of drug culture."
>
>
>When drugs are brought up (first thing in the trailer) and the
>theme is revealed ("own worst enemy")....
>
>
>...it doesn't seem believable that those things ("drugs" "own
>worst enemy") are unrelated.
>

I’m not so sure, based on everything I know about this film so far, that drugs will play much of a role at all. I was thinking he might be more commenting on the perceived negativity of certain hiphop content with that scene (hiphop being created by us and purportedly hurting us, according to one common line of argument), but we are all guessing at this point. Someone cited a quote above from Peele saying why he did used that specific song, but artists sometimes deflect (actual or potential) criticism by attributing neutral motives to artistic decisions (“I didn’t do x because of y, I did it because of w”), so who knows?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>I’m not so sure, based on everything I know about this film
>so far, that drugs will play much of a role at all. I was
>thinking he might be more commenting on the perceived
>negativity of certain hiphop content with that scene (hiphop
>being created by us and purportedly hurting us, according to
>one common line of argument), but we are all guessing at this
>point. Someone cited a quote above from Peele saying why he
>did used that specific song, but artists sometimes deflect
>(actual or potential) criticism by attributing neutral motives
>to artistic decisions (“I didn’t do x because of y, I did
>it because of w”), so who knows.


^^^^ Yes I can certainly see your interpretation which adds a bit more nuance.

I guess my observation would still be relevant with your explanation, which is that it still implies the ‘self destructive elements of the community are destroying us’ angle is implied in the trailer and tagline.

For me this is an initial impression from a short trailer and it in fact had me intrigued to see where they would take this movie.

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Trailers are meant to hint at what a film will be about to pique your interest. People then decide whether they are excited about the forthcoming movie or if they will skip it, often based on the trailer. I don’t know why so many people in this thread are acting like this is a new (or even controversial) idea?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

show me anyone who said he couldn't skip viewing the movie for any made up reason he might have, so that your comment will be relevant.

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Reread what I wrote again.

Why are you asking a question about something I never wrote? I never said anyone on here said he couldn’t skip the movie. So why are you talking about that?

That’s like me replying to you “who the fuck said a film is a tomato?” when you never brought up tomatoes at all. And why did you put the extra profanity on it like you’re hype enough to fight me? LOL. Relax.

Dude gave his REASON for why he would skip the movie and people jumped all over the reason. When really you shouldn’t even give a fuck what reason he chose to not see a movie. What are you gonna do, convince him that his theory about what a movie might be about is wrong before either of you see the movie? At most, you could say “I think that theory doesn’t work because blah blah and here is my theory about what the film may really be about.” Then you all can debate what in the trailer supports your respective theory. But all this name calling when someone is basically just saying “the film looks like it might be about this and I’m not interested in that?” Ridiculous. The whole “you have to watch the entire movie before you form any opinion” line is tired, trailers actually exist to drum up excitement for a movie. The whole purpose of trailers is to get you to form a (hopefully positive) opinion of a film before it is released. For some people, trailers have the opposite effect and they cause those people to form a negative opinion of a film before it’s released. It’s pretty straightforward. Some people try to figure out what movies are about based on trailers.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

you didn't even read his original reply.

he just decided he knew what the movie is about -- based on absolutely nothing.

everything you wrote is irrelevant.

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All I’m saying is that based off the trailer, C71’s presumption’s are not so out there as to be implausible or stupid. I got a similar impression without me looking for such an angle. The trailer and promotion (and past exposure to own worst enemy politics) seemed to hand that to me.

And plus the fact that Peele has clarified to say it’s not about race when he refers to ‘us’
suggests that people could have (misguidedly?) reached that conclusion.

Are you really saying that you can’t see how this conclusion could be reached (especially after the rational has been outlined), even if it’s a premature/incorrect one?

respond to what I said, not what you want to believe I said.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Just did..

My comment still stands so feel free to answer it or just continue be obtuse around any questions you can’t seriously answer....

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I might just do that.

Just know that I could spot that you were an agenda filled jerk even from my lurking spot!

Mind blowing.

Jordan Peele is mindful of trailers. The proof of that is his argument with the studio over Get Outs trailer. Now as an Oscar winning filmmaker he has total control over what’s in the trailer, and he’s likely using it as a misdirect. Regardless...judging anything based off a preview is at minimum horribly stupid.

How is it idiotic to not want to see a film based on a trailer, but not idiotic to be excited to see a film based on a trailer? If C71 said “this trailer is great, I can’t wait to see it” would you reply “this is only a trailer, you idiot, the real movie could be completely different, so don’t get excited yet”?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

“Looks good, I’m in” is far different than talking about the themes of the movie so...what’s your point again?

Either position is based on incomplete info. Either position is valid.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

He analyzed and critiqued an entire film based on the trailer.

Now you can only say you think a film might be bad, but you can’t provide a rationale for why you think it might be bad?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

is the tell.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I think you’re taking this whole thing too personally? I’m not sure who you’re trying to call a liar here? It can’t be me. I don’t know you. You don’t know me. I don’t lie and I’m sure not going to start lying to win an “argument” on the Internet. Maybe you and C71 have some personal issue I don’t know about. I don’t know either one of you from a can of paint. Anyway, I made my point as clearly as I could. I’m out.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

just don't lie.


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>Regardless...judging anything based off a preview is at
>minimum horribly stupid.

yeah, spirit's reply, dude.

Most black people don't even get it.

What’s that got to do with anything I said?

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

and I can’t wait to see it and find it wtf it may be about.

The Lasik causes suicide dude is different.

my first post of 2019.

this is why it's hard to make art once you have a few hits under your belt. everyone has an opinion on everything before even seeing the final product.

let that shit breathe. Go see the movie in a black theatre and chill out on the woke hateration.

I'm not addressing any one specifically but rather the chatter about what Peele might or might not be saying and if its even ok that hes doing what hes doing.

"although it does tackle race.............."

Meaning, Jordan was initially trying to dispel what was obvious and now he is admitting it, like some of us knew that he HAD to.

And some said we were calling him a liar when we said it obviously was about race.



https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/how-is-us-get-out-different-jordan-peele.html

Jordan Peele Explains How 'Us' And 'Get Out' Are Different And Why Horror Movies Are Important

POSTED BY ELIJAH C. WATSON

In a new interview, Peele described Us as a “horror film without any caveats.”

Jordan Peele‘s forthcoming new film Us will be making its premiere at South by Southwest in March and the director has recently offered some more details on the inspiration behind the movie.
WATCH: The Terrifying First Trailer For Jordan Peele’s New Film ‘Us’
Speaking with Empire via Pursue News, Peele discussed the differences between Us and 2017’s acclaimed Get Out, as well as what sparked the idea of the former film.

Peele said that Us came about when he began “to follow the thread of ‘we are our own enemy.'” When asked about the “we” he was referring to, Peele said that the movie is answering that question while adding: “I can’t say it’s not specifically about race, but I don’t want to go too deep into its meaning because it’s there for everybody to discover on their own.”

He also described Us as a “horror film without any caveats,” and although it does tackle race it also tackles how the movie industry views race.

“There hasn’t been a horror film about a black family, that I can remember. I think that’s an important thing to note. We have a lot of films in this genre where a family meets a monster, but the fact we’ve never seen a black family in that situation is a problem to me,” Peele said. “There’s a presumption in the industry that if black people are the leads in a film it has to be in some way about race. I wanted to show that we can push past that.”
And as for why he thinks the horror films are important, Peele had this to say: “They’re ways that we as a society face our fears. Personally, they serve as a way for me to acknowledge the dark thoughts floating inside of me.”

The story can be read in its entirety in the latest issue of Empire.

look, you're a lying shit with no logic or sense of integrity so I wouldn't expect you to be any different.

but if you didn't lie then we could all be more efficient about this.

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...truth to say the film race doesn't play a major part"


and what was the reaction to the Slate.com swipe in post #47?


Why wasn't I accused of moving the goalposts with the Slate.com swipe in reply #47?

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hrumph!

... "A Beautiful Struggle"
https://m.facebook.com/jamelabullock
Www.reverbnation.com/jamela

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

somebody likes me **smiles***

Us - In Theaters March 22 (Nightmare)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKuvOrCmFTY

and there are FOUR family members
60 + 4 = 64
In Super Mario 64 you can take a MUSHROOM that turns you into METAL
This whole movie is about how drugs turn families into robots, presented as a POSITIVE. Why is Jordan Peele furthering the Robot Agenda?

Mario parts 4-63?!?!

What happened to Loud But Wrong Guy, for that matter?

https://io9.gizmodo.com/jordan-peeles-us-just-premiered-at-sxsw-heres-what-peo-1833167275

Like it would have been too much to expect him to deliver a movie on Par with Get Out so if this movie had more mixed reviews, that would have made sense and be expected.

If it turns out he kills it the way these early reviews are coming in, then yeah, dude is on a whole other level.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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as a majority black site, jumping all over themselves to cosign a white dude for clowning a black man for attempting to counter white supremacist messaging in any area of society. Shout out to Atillah Moor who doesn't seem to post here anymore, and who I constantly disagreed with, but at least he was trying to grow in all the ways he countered racism, and I respect that. It's really all you can ask. Unlike alotta yall who will cosign anything white folks tell you is the bee's knees. If we had it so figured out, we wouldn't be dealing with all we're dealing with.


Yo, c71...

I remember you telling me that I had to leave this board, because I said cops wouldn't respect our lives until they started losing their own for taking ours. You've never had my back when I stood up for us in analyzing all the ways white supremacy operates.

However, I ain't a sucka ass nigga, so I will say that your observation is interesting and shouldn't be immediately dismissed. In all honesty, when I first saw the trailer, I didn't even consider the "we're our own worst enemy" narrative, so thank you bringing it up. IF this is indeed his angle, Idk if it's due to him being biracial or because Hollywood put the pressure on him. BUT, having seen Get Out, I know that he's shown that he can make a layered film. This is important, because if he felt pressured to address Black people being enemies of self, then this could possibly be a clever way to make it look like he's saying they are, but isn't actually saying that. If the need to say it is coming from within himself, he'll present much that's up for interpretation if Get Out is any indication.
Now, with all this giving him the benefit of the doubt, I have to point out that he was involved with the inaccurate, lying abomination known as BlacKKKlansman, so I won't be surprised if Us is partially or completely against the best Black interests.

From my PTP review: It's very fun. Plenty of scares and laughs, little puzzle pieces of foreshadowing sprinkled throughout, the actors are dynamite, it's gorgeously shot, and the music is fantastic. Peele's basically playing with Spielberg, Shyamalan, and Haneke all rolled into one here-- which are definitely good thriller directors to use as reference points. Like Get Out, it hits its crowd-pleasing beats beautifully.

One complaint: it's *way* less specific thematically than Get Out... to the point where I'm not sure if Peele even has a specific theme in mind here. It felt at times like he was tossing a lot at the wall to see what stuck. Get Out was incredibly tight-- that was one idea beautifully fleshed out, and here we've got a bunch of allusions and references without that clear through-line. I don't mind the ambition-- it's still an insanely fun flick, and the broadness will certainly allow people to project their own personal stuff into the movie-- but don't go in expecting something as tight as Get Out.

Still, no sophomore slump here. He's constructed another big-hit horror flick here. It honestly has a *very* Twilight Zone vibe, so it also serves to make me more excited for Peele's Twilight Zone reboot too.

And if anyone wants questions answered re: specific material/themes/etc, I'm happy to give my thoughts on those. Those may or may not verge into spoiler territory, though.

the film, or is the film so thematically lose that bone heads will have straws to grasp to argue they were right all along?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>RE: Does most of this pre-release convo in this post look silly after seeing
>the film, or is the film so thematically lose that bone heads
>will have straws to grasp to argue they were right all along?

"that's bait" and moving on

and

"that is a perfect example of commentary thinly wrapped in question clothes" then discussing (or attempting to) motive

its early though....

*** to clarify before you read, this will contain *some* spoilers, though I'll avoid anything from the back half of the movie, and these are likely things you could've figured out from the trailer with a close watch ***

The idea that it's about how black people are their own worst enemies... yeah, that's a really tough one to take away from this, considering it's not only black people who have doubles in this film. I don't want to dive too far into the details, but it's definitely about everyone irrespective of race. One could *easily* argue it's about class, perhaps, or about political affiliation. Mass groups of people who are frightened of those on the other side.

Now, that doesn't mean there's *nothing* about race here. Some of the imagery presented is definitely given more weight because the main family is black-- you have a large black man as an inarticulate, screaming thug, you have black children scampering on all fours and climbing trees, acting as animals. But this is part of the issue I have with the lack of clear through-line-- it's hard to pin down how this ties to the rest of it. Maybe he's playing on America's stereotypes of black people-- but then again, as mentioned before, we also get plenty of weird double action with non-black people, and are those doubles playing stereotypes? Very unclear. Maybe he's playing on horror archetypes in general-- Lord knows the huge inarticulate man and the animalistic children are archetypes we've seen before with white killers in horror films, so he's giving us black versions of these types to even the playing field? Maybe he's just saying that all of our "dark sides" are similar-- men are inarticulate and violent, children are crazed and out of control, etc. Maybe he's trying to evoke all of these things without focusing on any of them in particular to let us take what we want-- which feels like a bit of a cop out after something as thematically tight as Get Out, but which doesn't make the movie any less fun.

There's other imagery toward the end that I don't really want to get into, as it'd be even more spoilery, and then there's a big reveal that definitely affects this conversation as well that I'd also rather not go into... but regarding your question of "could people project whatever theme they want onto this movie?" My gut says "yes, but they couldn't argue that their version carries through the whole film." I definitely had a couple of thoughts leaving the theaters as to "what is this movie about?" that fell apart when I tried to tie everything to those themes. So I don't doubt that Peele is using a *lot* of things here to try to tell his fun horror story... but the question of "is it about X?" isn't going to have a definitive answer imo.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I reveal one or two things that could certainly be inferred from the trailer, imo. Nothing overly serious, and nothing from the back half of the film.

That said, I know some people want to go in *completely* cold. Hence my warning.

Don't spoil how many Weed Drugs are in it please.

?

More than the trailer will prove what Jordan REALLY means?

Or.....


We'll ignore the trailer as an "aberration" (even though it's the trailer).

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

are raised.....however briefly lightly...


....You have to be "wishful thinking" to not connect that.

If the conversation of drugs is brought up, and then the movie ascends (not descends) into a fun-filled paradise, then you could possibly say the drug conversation and the ensuing paradise were not connected.

The "conversation" from the trailer (two lines) is exactly how it plays in the movie. It's a moment of comedic relief.

nope

raising the issue of drug glorification to me.


Where was the punchline in a girl telling her younger sibling that a song that her parents like is about drugs?


That suggests a girl becoming jaded to the ways of adults, unless you think a young girl realizing her parents like songs that reference drug use is funny or comedic.

I kept going.

yep

And then there's absolutely nothing about drugs, even as a metaphor or allegory or anything else, in the film.

So take that for what you will!

of yourself......uh....that has been a theme connected to drug use in culture before?


uh......


You've never heard of a cultural touchstone where drugs are the culprit to making someone a "different person" yet that's still the same person?


"Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" perhaps?

>of yourself......uh....that has been a theme connected to
>drug use in culture before?
>
>
>uh......
>
>
>You've never heard of a cultural touchstone where drugs are
>the culprit to making someone a "different person" yet that's
>still the same person?
>
>
>"Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" perhaps?

Just because you use a bunch of ellipses and say "uh" patronizingly doesn't mean you're right and I'm the idiot. So don't treat me like an asshole when I'm trying to answer questions here.

As I said above in my answer that you seemingly didn't read, I'm sure you could find a way to "project" most anything into the film. It's very broad thematically. And yes, there are broad Jekyll and Hyde allusions at play, obviously, in the sense that Peele is exploring duality.

But the Hydes here are external, not internal, for a reason-- which is a hugely key difference. And the Hydes aren't relegated to just one race or one class, every single person in the country has one. We spend real time seeing white people attacked by their own doubles in the film. I could go more in depth into this, but I won't to avoid spoilers-- suffice it to say, the movie makes it very explicit that this is not a specific race problem or a specific group problem.

While you can find imagery, lines, scenes, etc. specific to make this setup in the film about class, political affiliation, Trumpism, etc.-- broader things that divide us in this world today-- you have to strain to make this movie about some specific drug-related read in any way. However people read this film, it'll have to be about something that divides the country irrespective of gender, race, or age. Because if you try to narrow it down, there's going to be a ton of stuff in the film that simply doesn't work for your read.

>And yes, there are broad Jekyll and Hyde allusions at play, obviously, in the sense that Peele is exploring duality.

I'm still not even sure what your agenda is here, that you were a dick to someone who saw the movie and was trying to explain what's in it. What's there to gain here? Do you want me to just spoil the whole movie so you can try to justify how the film is about drugs? I mean, you've had people quote the director and describe the actual film and you've replied to them like *they're* stupid for suggesting you may be off-base. I just do. not. get it.

So everything after that is on you. LOLOLOL.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

....whenever they "change" that is:


Reply #17

Peele said it was important for him to cast a black family at the center of a horror movie, though he specifically said that unlike Get Out, his new film is “not about race.”


Reply #154

When asked about the “we” he was referring to, Peele said that the movie is answering that question while adding: “I can’t say it’s not specifically about race, but I don’t want to go too deep into its meaning because it’s there for everybody to discover on their own.”

yea, that's a great foundation for declarative statements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBcTJ5ADFIM

So for that he's good money in my book.

Hope the Luniz get some nice checks out of this

Hotep ass nigga looks dumb as fuck in this thread.

With that said I don't know what exactly Peele is trying to say here outside of we are our own worst enemy.

.....?

?

I feel so bad for you.

But good luck with the agenda shit posting.

I'm out.

...uh...

there's a lot to unravel

>

There's a line one of the intruders says when in the house that makes you think this is about more than a well made slasher flick. If you wait for that 'meaning' to come to fruition then everything rings hollow when the credits roll. If you just want to shout at the screen with the audience then this is that kind of flick, but a really well made flick, I'm really proud of Peele.

Also, like toni Colette in Heriditary, Lupita Nyong'o is a manic, crazed mother in this, just terrific.

>f you just want to shout at the screen with the audience then this is that kind of flick, but a really well made flick

It was a fun theater experience.

I picked up on the reveal early which made certain things make sense I was questioning at the time. There is a lot of unsaid things in this though that left me confused. I did like the movie though.

As a horror film, one of the best I've seen in a while (I'd even put it over Hereditary.) Just stellar and unsettling in all the best ways.

If you're looking for a clear social commentary, it's not really here. I mean, it is, but not in the way a lot of people want.

It was entertaining though. Longo is right. It's not really clear what Peele's core thesis is here and I'm not going to believe any thinkpiece saying that the message is just one thing.

And this was from his white side.
Sike but There was literally 1 lone non circlejerk review from the sxsw screening that was like - "yea This is ok, not mind blowing." That helped me lower my expectations or else ida been real disappointed

Luniz horror remix is the best part

Even Directorially, Peele could have changed some things around (ex- interlacing the reveal and the grand finale scenes woulda prolly got a bigger reaction... as-is the reveal is just like 'oh wow ok I can see that happening"). & not sure how hard it was shooting wit body doubles and syncing doubletakes, but none of the actual doppelganger fights really sold it. Pacing could have also been better bc i felt he may have had more to say in the final 15-30min that would have helped the overall theme. Or at least show how lupita#2 coordinated her army. The way the last 30min explanation is told, & kinda left open, it's just a long twilight zone episode. ((I'm sure there are nuff "reds = GOP/trump takeover" hot takes brewing right now tho))

Leaving the theater I was like 'eh', but I will admit during the walk home some dude turned the corner on me wearing a red jacket, & my first reaction was like- Oh hell naw and started to run up and dropkick him lol. U not pulling no scissors on me, ock!


Anyway, shout out to okp going full okp for 3 months in the top half of this thread. drugs in the community apparently is something we do need to talk abt cuz somma y'all seem to still be on them

i.e. Lupita snapped off beat because she never knew how


https://shadowandact.com/the-ending-of-us-explained-review

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I am so mad the snapping off beat thing turned out to be true lol.

Although I admit I thought “but didn’t she stay on beat as a ballerina?”

Lol

If you need this many "think pieces" to explain your movie so that most people can understand it then you failed.

Plus they made M'Baku into a groveling bitch for most of the movie. He was easily the weakest character in the entire film.

Plus too many unanswered questions... So did ALL this clones rise up and kill their doppelgangers or just some? And how was this decision made? And if so what kind of world did Adelaide/Red and her family escape to at the end? And why was the other lil boy's face burned? I know they said something about he liked to play with fire but why? And why was he usually on all fours like a dog? What was M'Baku and the daughter doing when Red came and scooped Jacob up?

Plus so many times during the movie I found myself screaming at the screen "black people wouldn't do that shit!"

i.e. dont let your bad traits shape you and take over your good

but you're right, a lot of it left things unanswered. not a bad film, but not great

She said the same shirt.

I’m just fighting thru it to get to the other side.

Why is the husband looking like the weakest nigga on earth. Dude has zero adrenaline and a few jokes.

>Why is the husband looking like the weakest nigga on earth.
>Dude has zero adrenaline and a few jokes.

they had M'Baku leader of the Jabari tribe acting like a lil bitch lol

if it wasn't for the person I was with I would've walked out that shit

have an extreme reaction to.

Peele himself doesn't seem macho - which is why Peele probably wanted the lead actor to play it that way.


Yes I saw the movie.

that very point home...

>have an extreme reaction to.
>
>Peele himself doesn't seem macho - which is why Peele probably
>wanted the lead actor to play it that way.
>
>
>Yes I saw the movie.

let’s take the biggest strongest black man in the movie and make him a cowering idiot for most of the movie while the women and children magically become lethal killers. At the end they don’t even let him drive and put him in the back seat like a child.

but he's not ADOS, so he might not be the Black people you're talking about?

The only ADOS adult actor in the movie is Adelaide's extra negligent father from the beginning of the movie.

At any rate, it's almost refreshing when Black men aren't Luke Cage types, meaning big, strong, brash, with little brain. Gabe is big and smart and not very strong or brash. Peele probably thought that was revolutionary, but what would be more revolutionary right now is for a Black man on screen to be smart and strong simultaneously without being a criminal or sacrifice. I can think of Black male characters who have these traits on screen, but rarely the perfect characters that white males consistently get to play.

But you did tell me that I was wasting my time breaking down depictions of Black people in cinema, so why does this not apply to you, fam? Were you just being contrary because you didn't make the GoT post? Just funny seeing yall try to break down our depictions after yall came at me so hard for it.

share of Zombies as he pointed at in that scene in the jeep

Going off alone, tryna be friendly to the kids, etc

No blk person would do that but her real identity as a shadow person would

reactions when 4 weird people show up outside their door, to their actions after multiple people are brutally murdered in front of them, it was too much lol

and I wasn’t impressed with this one.

because I saw the film not as a black film but a film that was centered around black people and black people of a certain/specific demographic

they were free in a ways other black people might not be free - they had a vacation home in freaking Santa Cruz and they appeared to be old money (example, nice house but old benz) and were comfortable in their own reality (i.e., being the only black faces in white places) while also having a foot on their own blackness (i.e. going to Howard U, choice of music, etc)


so for me, all of their actions tracked with how they presented initially. I didnt consider their reactions to be non-black but rather a form of black

There are 40 million black people in the United States, how do you figure all 40 million of us are supposed to react the same exact way?

>because I saw the film not as a black film but a film that
>was centered around black people and black people of a
>certain/specific demographic
>
>they were free in a ways other black people might not be free
>- they had a vacation home in freaking Santa Cruz and they
>appeared to be old money (example, nice house but old benz)
>and were comfortable in their own reality (i.e., being the
>only black faces in white places) while also having a foot on
>their own blackness (i.e. going to Howard U, choice of music,
>etc)
>
>
>so for me, all of their actions tracked with how they
>presented initially. I didnt consider their reactions to be
>non-black but rather a form of black
>
>There are 40 million black people in the United States, how do
>you figure all 40 million of us are supposed to react the same
>exact way?

I'm aware of all that, I was saying what my reactions were at the time in the theater when I saw the movie last Thursday,

40 million black folks. 20 million black families. Only 300,000 of these families is worth 1mil net, so it's more than sensible to say this movie isn't about black people. It's literally about 1.5% of black people, because that's how many black people would be living like them. When ppl say black people have or act like this or that, it's safe to say they're referring to the 98.5% and not the 1.5%. Due to our history and us being shut out of America, we're more of a monolith in terms of wealth than most of us realize.

Mostly bc the movie doesn't really pull things into a logical storyline, so ppl are just filling in the gaps however they want

The offbeat snapping, messed up vocals,etc are obvious once the reveal happens
But then when u think about more- she can't snap but became a dancer? She's the only one that can talk but coordinated a flash mob of 100million grunting quasi- zombies?

>The offbeat snapping, messed up vocals,etc are obvious once
>the reveal happens
>But then when u think about more- she can't snap but became a
>dancer? She's the only one that can talk but coordinated a
>flash mob of 100million grunting quasi- zombies?

she doesn’t have on the orange jumpsuit, she somehow has the exact same outfit she has on that particular day, down to the t-shirt her father just won for her, but later it appears that Red takes the t-shirt from Adelaide and puts it on to impersonate her, like we said too many inconsistencies.

revolution...

adelaide started that

Not to be all actually but that didn’t bother me because the wife teaches dance and those kids can’t snap for shit. It’s all about sequences and cues to the music for a lot of kids in ballet.

All that being said..

I didn’t think the movie was anything special.

(light spoilers which won't ruin the movie if you haven't seen it)



The very beginning of the film shows a Black father being totally negligent with looking after his daughter. The mother is concerned about this and tells the girl to come with her to the restroom. The girl flatly refuses. The mother tells the father to keep an eye on the girl and proceeds to go to the restroom even tho the father barely even turns around when he says he's looking after the girl.
:|
From that moment, I was like "please don't let the whole movie be on THIS kind of BS" because aside from the Black father being terribly depicted, a concerned Black mother isn't about to let the girl out of her sight if the dad is THAT lazy about looking after her.
I immediately thought of the Harambe situation where media was looking all into the criminal background of the father (who wasn't even present at the time) juxtaposed with the media treatment of the white Florida couple who got their toddler eaten by an alligator.
That part of the movie definitely showed us being our own worst enemy, along with the beach scene where they even lost their son.

MAIN POINT BEING...
******That first scene is *extremely* important, because the rest of the film doesn't happen without us "being our own worst enemy" in the way we fail to look after our children in this film.****** which I think was some bullshit.

I mean, it'd be nothing if everyone viewed Black folks as equals and racism didn't exist. It'd *kinda* just be humans making mistakes, but that isn't the society we live in. Our actions and depictions are received and reported differently.

And this is stuff white folks don't have to think about. It's just taken in subconsciously (by everyone but especially by them). Shout out to Buddy tho for asking white folks to evaluate films in Black folks' interest.


Other than that, I loved the ending and I thought the movie flowed very well. I also loved the way the story was told. Another horror classic from Mr. Peele.

(legit spoiler ahead)

I really like the way the end makes sense of stuff you've seen in the movie, such as when Adelaide got out the car to check on the girl after she flew off the car. I'm sitting there thinking "man, this some white people horror movie shit" but it made sense at the end. Wonderfully done. Everything comes together that doesn't seem to make sense at the end... then you think back through the movie and realize the things that were said have another layer to them such as Red saying Adelaide should've brought her with her.

father and his complaining about his wife bothering him for drinking two beers.


nope

Bummer. But yeah. The logic makes next to no sense. It tried to do too much and explain the world TOO much, which led to an over explanation monologue which mucked everything up. Jordan Peele is a master with tone and atmosphere but that ending was bad.

SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER



How did the tethering work? Because the son could actually control his and it was implied that you have to go through the same life stages as their counterparts (marriage, pregnancy, etc.) So how could they physically get to the point where they were able to break out? And how did Jason manage to control his doppleganger after he had already broke out?

out that its "deep" that shit is just trash lol


>SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER
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>How did the tethering work? Because the son could actually
>control his and it was implied that you have to go through the
>same life stages as their counterparts (marriage, pregnancy,
>etc.) So how could they physically get to the point where they
>were able to break out? And how did Jason manage to control
>his doppleganger after he had already broke out?

and why did the boy have burn marks?

>and why did the boy have burn marks?
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They are her people.

And maybe the boy's magic trick is really working down in the tunnels, burning the clone's face?

it was her dancing that showed the other shadow people how special she was. Even though she could talk and had like, real memories of the above ground world.

Must have been a hell of a dancer.

Every time Jason would play with the lighter, his doppleganger was also doing it, only his might have worked (or it was matches,) so he was frequently burning himself. He clearly has more of a tether with his counterpart than the others for some reason, but I don't know why. I can speculate on the symbolism behind it, but as far as an in-universe answer, there doesn't seem to be one.

Austistic and that was why had the connection with his tether and also why he was deemed “weird”.

It was prolly working in the tunnels and ducked the clone up

He was called “weird” so maybe that’s why?

Also wonder if the kids have that shadow sense since they were birthed from a shadow.

other kids get "burned" or can not quit "running track"

and it will be as valid as any other explanation/hypothesis
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>How did the tethering work? Because the son could actually
>control his and it was implied that you have to go through the
>same life stages as their counterparts (marriage, pregnancy,
>etc.) So how could they physically get to the point where they
>were able to break out? And how did Jason manage to control
>his doppleganger after he had already broke out?


my guess is the boy was the youngest so possibly "closer"/more mentally connected to his shadow
plus the boy was just figuring shtt out/noticing stuff quicker, like kids ("new eyes") sometimes do.

but the dad also slightly controlled his at the beginning when he was adjusting the eyeglasses.

they broke out/started the untether plan cuz underground lupita wasnt born as a shadow and danced her way into being their messiah. then spent the next 20 yrs training all of them on how to separate the connection, stitch red jumpsuits, and "make a statement" by redoing hands across america

Jason and his double switched places years ago as well. It's liad out here, not sure how on board I am with it

https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/us-reddit-theory-jason-pluto.html

I'ma let y'all argue about the plotholes tho.

Trying to make sense of speculative elements is like the boringest discussions online.

80s parenting "was trash" in so many "horror" movies or just ET/war games thrillers

even stranger things touched on this

dads were irresponsible, moms were confused

home alone should have been scary when it came out...

I did not grow up with cable or mainstream movies playing in my town

basically a VHS late experiencer, with "whiteness" at the center...

I am definitely living a life ignoring the "red" world

after a decade of micros, they "woke" and want to tell me how to be

Peele gave us the "sunken place" language and they want to co-opt it with everything else
like they did with T-Coates

when the message is clearly Blacks are not monolithic, they want you to be on type...

After chewing on it a few days I’m like “ok cool” so in the end what does it matter she was switched?

Is the idea she’s gonna rise up and join her true siblings in red?

Nah. She clearly is as “original” Adelaide as it’s gonna get.

So in that end who cares if they are switched?

She was the catalyst. If she was never taken, or if red and adelaide just left the hall of mirrors in 86 then there would not be this uprising. It gave a reason for this, although I'd admit it felt tacked on.

seems to be the most consistent, as in the "poor rising up to eat the rich" narrative. Shout out to 2Pac. So this is one of those "WE'RE ALL AT FAULT because we all benefit from America" pieces it seems. Duke talking about it on the Breakfast Club drove it home home when he said "People lose arms and legs to get the minerals for your cell phone. What if all those people showed up at your door like 'I want my stuff'?" Us, U.S, etc. I stated elsewhere in the post that the only ADOS adult actor in the film is the very negligent father in the beginning. I have to wonder if Peele just knew it'd be harder to sell this "we all benefit" narrative to a ADOS actors when communicating underlying current of the film? If so, for me it begs the question; Does he realize WHY it's harder to convince us of that? or Does he just not give a fuck why and thinks immigrants just "get it" like he does being half white and all?
I think this is mainly where him being half white makes its biggest impact on this film. Only 1.5% of black people in America are rich enough to vacation like the black people in the film and a large percentage of them are boomers and likely 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation immigrants. Peele also said his movie is about an "African American" family which I take it means (B)lack or ADOS, but he couldn't find ADOS people to play them and he literally chose to depict Black folks in the 1.5 percentile of wealth as the focal point in film about the rich being at guilty. That's pretty laughable when you think about it... which most people won't lol.

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I feel like all black creatives wrestle with it, but when you are committed to using black subjects in your work you have deal with the burden of representation. Meaning since black people are so rarely depicted to broad audiences, do you present them as model figures in order to not make your people not look bad or do you honest representations of real people and run the risk of making all black people look bad. I read a lot of Spike Lee's production journals and he wrestled with this all the time. I wrote my thesis about it somewhat.

Jordan Peele has made clear that he wants to use black actors in his film (I am pretty sure he didn't say African-Americans). That's awesome. He could have easily made this movie with Paul Rudd and a white family and we wouldnt' have any debate as to whether he is being critical of black america. It would have just been a drunk white dad not watching their kid and that would be the end of it. But fuck that, it's awesome AF to see a movie starring a black cast that isn't really about blackness just them being a regular ass family.

There is almost an insecurity in black folks when we get concerned that a film of black people making the mistakes at all people make is going to somehow negatively reflect on all black people. We human.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

yep

"I realized I had never seen a horror movie of this kind, where there’s an African-American family at the center that just is." - Jordan Peele
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/director-jordan-peele-new-movie-cover-story-782743/

So yes, he said the movie is about an "African American family."
Are you going to admit to being wrong? Because you just said you were "pretty sure" he didn't say that. Not sure why you thought I'd make that up when that's not my MO.

As far as having to make a choice (and this is where you're referring to reply 241), I agree to some extent, yet there's also ways to go about this where it's not such a clear cut choice. For example, the father didn't have to be depicted as he was in order for the girl to get lost... neither did the mother. The "mistake" wasn't even made to look honest on their parts. I've already explained how none of this exists in a vacuum and influences people subconsciously. Where racism is concerned, this is especially important.

everyone is going to see something different in terms of the larger "message"..

one take away for me was that it speaks to what happens to people's minds when they're imprisioned and treated inhumanely while they are there...and what the cost is to society when they are released

there seemed to be other inferences to privilege, the role of faith in our lives, etc.

again, art is subjective.

beyond that, i think it is a stellar piece of art in a genre that isn't really my favorite..but i see how much respect and reverence he has for the genre..its all over the film in how he calls out other films..like the Shining (the white twins) and A Clockwork Orange (murder scene happening amongst happy-ish music)..even to a horror music video (Thriller).

The lighting, score, music choices, cinematography...all top notch. As a filmmaker, he has the stuff.

I also don't think the film was about race, at all. There was a moment when Adelaide asked Red something (can't remember) and she said "We're Americans"...it took that as a bit of an endictment on America as a whole..as a system..etc. Which circles back to the prison industrial complex. And yes, race is baked into all that, but I didn't get the sense that this film was as focused on race as Get Out was.

Absolutely loved it and I want to see it again in the theater, without hiding behind my hands lol

Finally, i'll say that i'm excited to see Jordan's journey as a filmmaker. He got a head start in a big way, unlike Spike, but his voice and point of view is important.

Oh and i fucking hate the continued commentary on him being "half-white"..that's some petty reductive bullshit that has me looking sideways at anyone who mentions it.

d

https://twitter.com/LifeAsKing/status/1109825007461502976?s=19


Because, blakk ppl
Lol

I think I enjoyed it more than others because I had no expectations that this will be Get Out II. Filmmaker said it wasn't so I believed him when he said it.

In fact, the only time I cringed is when Red said she was "America" because I thought it might be going the c71 route.

If any other filmmaker had made it this would have just been regarding as a fun, scary horror movie that you shouldn't think too hard about analyzing because it all falls apart like a movie like Hereditary.

And I think there is some symbolism there. This easily can be seen as commentary regarding the people making your sneakers and iPhones, but again I wouldn't waste my time by doing frame by frame analyzing of the deeper meaning of the film.

I also think JP made a point of a slow death for Elizabeth Moss and the death of the white twins because he wanted white audiences to feel what black audiences feel when black characters are killed.


My one critique, as a horror film it didn't completely work for me because I was fairly confident that Jordan Peele wasn't going to kill that original black family. I never completely bought that they were in that much danger (though I could see the dad getting off'd but I was thinking that JP didn't want that criticism of black man being disposable).


Now c71 bamma'd up this post because while it was a decent working theory based on the trailer that the theme might be Black People are our own worst enemy, it was dumb to say that's what the movie is definitely and clearly about based on the trailer. And then my man doubled down after people saw the movie before him and said that's not what it's about. Homie wouldn't have looke so foolish if he just said I think this what's the movie about, but will have to wait and see when it drops.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

yep

single post like you absolved. GTFOHWTBS



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant

reply #241 AFTER the movie was released


and several days later wanting to start up, like I never got the support (reply #241 - AFTER the movie was released)


yet....

I'm supposed to "overlook" no one wanting to "tangle" DIRECTLY after replies #241 and #242 and be all "ready" to accept that those replies went by (when none of my other replies went by unnoticed) AND be ready to start up all over again (with my support - reply #241 - conveniently "buried" by subsequent replies)

nope

just wrong brother

its america (i am race)...so thats always baked in

but no way is US the movie you predicted

it wasnt about drugs... it wasnt about race

it wasnt about people being their own worst enemies

it was about the U.S. (US), class and privilege

bwood from reply #207:

"With that said I don't know what exactly Peele is trying to say here outside of we are our own worst enemy."



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>it wasnt about people being their own worst enemies
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So.....

If you disagree with bwood about the "own worst enemy" thing....I'm cool with you disagreeing with me too.


edit: (thanks for not responding sooner)


more than bwood....a BIG theme in this post is how much Peele should be deferred to in regards to explaining what "US" really means

so.....brother.....


is Peele "wrong" or "lying"?

reply #17:

"Instead, Peele revealed that it’s “about something I feel has become an undeniable truth, and that is the simple fact that we are our own worst enemies.”"


Well?

Can't we "trust" Peele to tell what "US" is about?

"It's DEFINITELY NOT saying anything your trying to push."

So I don't know that you can credibly represent bwood as agreeing with you.

Now I'll go back to not replying.

in the edit


so....


have fun not replying to that


edit: two people can be considered "wrong" and not "agree"

I didn't say bwood agreed with me.


bwood said the "own worst enemy" thing...and so did trustworthy writer director Peele. howardlloyd said the "own worst enemy" thing was wrong.


I agree with bwood on the "own worst enemy" thing - but obviously not everything.

He said this movie isn't about race.

If he had chosen to put one of the white doppelgangers in the trailer your premise would have fallen apart with the trailer. It certainly falls apart with viewing the movie.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

reply #17:

"Instead, Peele revealed that it’s “about something I feel has become an undeniable truth, and that is the simple fact that we are our own worst enemies.”"

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/jordan-peele-says-i-dont-see-myself-casting-a-white-dude-as-lead-us-1197021

Jordan Peele on Making Movies After 'Us': "I Don't See Myself Casting a White Dude As the Lead"
MARCH 26, 2019 12:17pm PT by Chris Gardner, Seth Abramovitch

Hot off the record-breaking success of his latest high-minded horror flick, the writer-director advised Hollywood improv students on ego, marijuana use and why minority actors will always star in his films.

On Monday, as the town buzzed about new box office records set by Us, the film's 40-year-old director, Jordan Peele, was not whiling away the hours in a Universal lot bungalow fielding congratulatory calls from studio execs. Peele was on a cramped stage in East Hollywood at improv mecca Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre, the starriest guest yet for the school's new conversation series.

There was a sense of familiarity hovering over the proceedings. No surprise, as Peele got his start in improv before landing on MADtv in 2003, then achieving sketch-comedy stardom with Comedy Central's Key & Peele in 2012.

Peele gave the standing-room-only audience — a diverse set of 20-something improv students, aspiring storytellers and fans — about an hour and 20 minutes of his time in a wide-ranging conversation that covered his hugely successful career, his marijuana dependence (a double-edged sword), the making of Get Out, inclusive casting and his favorite Twilight Zone episode.

The audience gave Peele a raucous standing ovation when he entered the room, a conquering hero dressed down in dark denim jeans, black Nikes, an Aviator Nation hoodie and a T-shirt with Corey Feldman's face on it, for some reason.

UCB co-founder and moderator Ian Roberts, who executive produced Key & Peele, began by mentioning Us' $88 million global box office haul — the "second-biggest opening for an original live-action film," he noted. Added Peele: "That's after Avatar. The stats get cooler when you say the thing that beat me."

"The best way to end this great weekend is with you guys," Peele told the crowd of 200. The moderator asked Peele when he first recognized his earliest glimmers of talent. That would be when Peele was in fifth grade doing a stint at TADA! Youth Theater in New York City. He recalled feeling a "burning sensation in my gut" that was hotter than his shyness. Peele was cast in a show that proved to be "the first win in a long career of wins and losses."

From an early age, Peele showed natural skill at drawing, painting and other visual arts. "But the performing part came out of nowhere," he recalled. "It surprised everyone." No one more so than his single mother. "When I was 7, I did an impression of Ronald Reagan and my mom gave me great feedback," he said, before launching into that wobble-headed impression with a raspy, "Hello."

He credited his skill with impressions and, later, improv to his ears. The art of listening, he said, is something that continues to inform and elevate his work. "Nothing is more important," Peele insisted. "The more you are armed with what you take in, the more ammo you have. ... Directing for me is about hiring the right people, listening to them and helping them do the best job possible."

Peele said he's also learned how to listen to his ego — and to turn down the volume. "You have to shelve it," he said. "You have to check it constantly. It's so easy for it to come out and rear its ugly head." That can happen anywhere from the set of a $20 million horror film to the humble improv stage. "The ego is deceptive and it will screw you up," he said, adding that when it comes to performing, the "honest response" will always get the biggest laugh.

He name-checked Steve Martin and Martin Lawrence as major influences in comedy; in directing, he listed Tim Burton ("the aesthetic and the fact that he was telling these fairy tales about 'the other'") and Ridley Scott ("Alien and Thelma & Louise were two really important movies for me — very different, but perfect"). In high school, he knew he wanted to be a director, but rather than go to NYU to study film, he picked private liberal arts school Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York.

"The day I didn't go to NYU, I said maybe wasn't for me," he recalled. In the end, Sarah Lawrence wasn't for Peele, either. He dropped out after two years in order to study improv and sketch comedy, noting a dearth of black performers in those fields, a hole he intended to fill. "I knew I had to leave," Peele said. "But it's not a classically lucrative industry, so it's not like I can recommend that black people get into it because it doesn't pay." The line drew weary laughter.

He moved to Chicago and studied at Second City, where he met Keegan-Michael Key. The two brought their talents to Los Angeles and landed on their feet with gigs on MADtv. Toward the end of his contract on the Fox sketch show, Peele said he was offered his dream gig: a spot in the cast of Saturday Night Live. It was around the time that then-Senator Barack Obama was "becoming a thing," he explained, and Peele did an uncanny impression of the future president. But MADtv producers wouldn't let him out of his contract, ending his SNL dreams.

He locked himself in a room and started smoking a lot of weed, plotting his revenge, "like a comic book supervillain," he explained. Then it hit him: "I wanted to be a producer," he realized. "These producers are making these decisions about art and comedy and they don't know anything about art and comedy. I want to be a producer and bring my artistry and they'll all be sorry."

Peele decided he first had to "be great" and gave himself "seven to eight" years to get there. So he started developing multiple projects simultaneously to see what stuck. Get Out was one of those early scripts. "Every two weeks I'd go, 'What the fuck am I doing? I'm writing a movie where a black man is victimized and all the white people are evil and I'm trying to get the audience to have fun,'" he recalled. "But if you could make that fun … that's what brought me back."

He eventually finished the script. Producer Sean McKittrick bought the thriller spec on the spot, to Peele's utter surprise. That turned to shock when McKittrick said he was on board with the idea of Peele directing it himself.

Budgeted at $5 million, the film became a cultural phenomenon, earning north of $250 million worldwide and winning Peele an Oscar for best original screenplay. He saw his status in Hollywood change almost overnight. With the success of Us, he's now well on his way to joining the rarefied ranks of blockbuster auteurs like Christopher Nolan and personal hero Scott.

Fame is still something he's figuring out. "I don't envy someone who gets famous overnight," Peele cautioned. "The hardest part is being recognized. I used to think that being in the public eye gave you power. But all of a sudden, they have the power and can come up to you an hour into dinner."

But there are other kinds of power, and Peele plans on wielding his judiciously. One way is to keep putting black faces on the screen in leading roles. "The way I look at it," he explained, "I get to cast black people in my movies. I feel fortunate to be in this position where I can say to Universal, 'I want to make a $20 million horror movie with a black family.' And they say yes."

It's a formula he's not interested in messing with.

"I don't see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don't like white dudes," he said, nodding over to his moderator pal Roberts. "But I've seen that movie." The line drew loud applause and shouts of agreement. "It really is one of the best, greatest pieces of this story, is feeling like we are in this time — a renaissance has happened and proved the myths about representation in the industry are false."

During an audience Q&A, a woman asked Peele to name his favorite episode of The Twilight Zone, seeing as he's taking over from Rod Serling for CBS All Access' planned reboot of the sci-fi anthology series.

Peele cited "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street." The story centers on what happens to a neighborhood when they fear aliens have landed in their town. "It points out the ugliness and flaws of humanity," Peele explained. "That's what I like to do with my stories. The real monsters are within us. When people get together we are the greatest monster we've ever known."

As I have a day or two to think about it (and it's been on my mind alot since the initial viewing), yeah its very much an indictment on America and our ability to cut our "good lives" off from all the people below the surface that make it possible (and those people who don't have access to that "good life".


Cuz here is the thing, as folks who see me post can figure, I am a pretty moderate, conservative even, person. However, moderate and conservatives have never been able to answer for me the pretty obvious question....what the fuck are we going to do with all these people who are not upwardly mobile?



JP is awesome..despite being bi-racial and having a white wife.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

from the opening 10 minutes I knew I wasn't gonna like this movie. And it never really picked up. Well till the people were outside but they weren't very scary. It was not a horror film. Just a strange suspense thriller. That didn't thrill me. Meh


GET OUT was 100 times better.

I love all of the loose ends left out too. The sub-context of "haves" vs "have nots" was well done. It started off slow, but by the end I'm wanting more.

i felt like a gotdamn pervert looking at how shiny her legs were looking.

i feel like a pervert saying this now.

Really entertaining movie. Can definately tell this had a bigger budget than Get out

All four of the family Members had distinct personalities and held their own. People were mad at how the Dad was portrayed, but it's not HIS story. Lupita is the main character of this story (and puts on a damned good performance.) The Dad more than held his own managing to kill two of the Zombies and making it to the end of the Film on a broken leg.


This movie might be better if you just take it at face value, don't expect a perfect 1::1 analogy. I could have done without the explanation they provided of where the tethered came from


I wonder what happens to the Tethered that belong to people with FUCKED UP lives above ground.

huffing paint and jerking off before passing out on their couch with cold Wendy's fries all over their face at 4:00 pm on a Wednesday. Every week.

For being loud, wrong, taking Slim Charles' advice to fight on that lie.

Also the movie was kinda wack.

How could it be Blacks are our own worst enemies?

hmmmm.....

I don't see that as a neutral choice. Nothing about the opening scene father was neutral.


so....


If you think that opening scene father thing had no message...uh (ignored reply #241, again)

the way you're grasping at these straws.
You were massively wrong.
And look foolish for fighting so hard for an idea you got from the fucking trailer.
Accept the L and move on.

reply #241 about that father in the opening scene embodying some negative stereotypes that I expected to see addressed from the trailer


Y'all still dancing around that opening scene with that father and that family, which is why y'all didn't reply to reply #241.

But but the drug references!!!

later scene taking a smoke break in the counseling session about the daughter


both scenes with the father (1st beer, 2nd smoking) coincidence?

and African-American glorification of drug-use.

/s

that father with his beers

No matter the storyline you put under it.

which is why Peele said that "our own enemy" theme in reply #17 that folks want to ignore


Why didn't Peele say in that reply #17 article "the unavoidable truth that an alternate version of ourselves can pose a danger to us if we let them rise up"?

fight on that lie.

some things never change

If characters did what they were SUPPOSED to do.

They had to find a way for that main character to end up in the fun house/build suspense at the beginning

Which is comendable but then you got to deal with fools who think that any negative depiction of any of his characters is an a critique of all black people.

This fools argument about this being a critique of black people being our own worst enemy would have been deaded if he had just put some of those white tethered folks in the trailer. Definitely deaded when you see the movie.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

?

dancing around reply #241 was brought up till the end


If y'all like battling so much #241 was the chance to show you REALLY battle

but....y'all thought #241 was going to slide by...then come for me days later.

Nope


So...it's over....but start bringing me up again and you know I'll be right there...like y'all weren't with reply #241

So you see I'm right here to do it - unlike replies that come days later and aren't direct replies to a reply that brings up my assertions.

And also in #276.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

in a different month.

Where was a direct response to #241 as in a reply that states "in response to #241"?

That's is how battling goes here

You had no problem making a whole reply with my name in the subject line and I gave you several direct replies to that reply.

So why couldn't you give a direct reply right underneath #241 if you want to battle me so much you made a reply that directly had me in the subject line?

You prolly kept this thread open on your browser for months.

after reply, then replies with my name.


uh.....


I'm from East Flatbush, so battlin' is battlin'

not wishy washy "it's over" yet come back if you think you can get the points you didn't get the first time around - when you supposedly didn't care, that is, when it was supposedly "over"

Your shit was looking mad not stable before but how far into crazyland you want this post to go?




>in a different month.
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>Where was a direct response to #241 as in a reply that states
>"in response to #241"?
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>That's is how battling goes here
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>You had no problem making a whole reply with my name in the
>subject line and I gave you several direct replies to that
>reply.
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>So why couldn't you give a direct reply right underneath #241
>if you want to battle me so much you made a reply that
>directly had me in the subject line?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It says "in response to reply #320"

uh....

you didn't have to type that - it is automatic when you make a DIRECT REPLY


a direct reply is when you address a reply that is of a seeming concern to you.


Since you made this:

277. "I dug it (spoilers)/C71 I'm waiting for my "You was RIght""

(a subject line)


then...

reply #241 should have been exactly what you wanted. Since I replied to #241 with my reply #242.

Where were you then that you had to ask for me in reply #277?

a story.

these niggas really don't understand that having black leads means that they'll also be developed enough to have flaws and backstories with tragedy and heartbreak

some people slept through english class and it fucking shows.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

central

So....

when that "own worst enemy" is the "thing", those "flaws" relate to that..


y'all dancing around that reply #17 quote "own worst enemy" and how those "flaws" relate to it.

of the main family instead of Lupita’s character.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"