It’s still great.

Little homie is the most believable non-LA nigga to play an LA nigga.

The show itself is hella basic tho. I knew where the whole season was going fifteen minutes into the pilot.

I asked my pops if he watched that shit. He was like, “Yeah, in 1983. I don’t need to see the reruns.”

>I asked my pops if he watched that shit. He was like, “Yeah,
>in 1983. I don’t need to see the reruns.”


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com

he does it good, but too good lol

it's kind of a second tier show but I enjoy it. The CIA stuff has been good this season. I think it has improved overall.

I have issues with some of the details though. The graffiti, and the cholos look like something out of a Mad TV sketch. There are literally thousands of people in LA who could have helped with this.

>The CIA stuff
>has been good this season. I think it has improved overall.

That surprises me, because as soon as Contra dude got wrote off I was done with the CIA side. White cop shit ruined Narcos for me, and it ruined Snowfall for me too.

>I have issues with some of the details though. The graffiti,
>and the cholos look like something out of a Mad TV sketch.
>There are literally thousands of people in LA who could have
>helped with this.

How they handle gangs period is hella Dangerous Minds. Like what hood is any of them niggas even from? It's all very generic.

They went to the beach and his buddy said something like "I thought you were gonna get us jumped by some Shorelines". I mean, they're purposely avoiding using real neighborhoods, so I guess its safe since there are probably 3 shorlines left who consider themselves active and none of them actually live in venice.

>How they handle gangs period is hella Dangerous Minds. Like
>what hood is any of them niggas even from? It's all very
>generic.
>

Don't change brother.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

We know the story..

It’s the way it’s shot and executed that’s dope to me.

I'm talking about the bum ass CIA dude, the Israeli supplier, the uncle who sells weed, the luchador who is a cartel grunt.

You saw how all the puzzle pieces fit together before the first commercial break. If you got a plot that predictable you gotta slow down and do your character work, but this show don't do all that. It just lays everything out real plain.

Basically. Same familiar story, different show/movie.

..could be better.

the cast is phenomenal.

the personal development of each character has been solid so far, but main storyline is lacking depth.

its early and, as you can see, i'm still tuned in.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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Nas >>> your favorite rapper's favorite rapper

I want more stories about black people that rely on the hood, slavery, or the civil rights era.

More stories about the crack epidemic does nothing to help mend the actual trauma of the real events.

I know I know...issa tv show.

Thats what makes it dope

I just want to see something that's genuinely different.
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ugh its so annoying
we got other shit we can show the world about colombia
but everyone is fixated with drugs/trafficking

___________________
Nas >>> your favorite rapper's favorite rapper

What you said kinda reminds me of how Mexico always has these cartel and immigrant stories now.

Non-white cultures tend to get boxed into a handful of stories and it sucks because people within those cultures know that the other stories exist but are not being told.

show isn't always great, but the last two eps were strong.

It’s a great show. Can’t believe people are tired of the first story that actually touches on the true reason for the crack epidemic.

Great story telling that shows how filthy our government is

this last ep whoa

"Pocket Full of Rocks" is probably the best episode of the series.

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#2dopebrothersandastackofwax

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and ya'll should be too....


gotdamn - we just love to see niggas killin niggas, niggas shootin niggas, niggas killin niggas with drugs..

they'll put a nigga killin nigga show on in a heartbeat...

let it be niggas killin white folks......

let it be something showing niggas as kings and queens....that shyt don't fly...

they program us to want to see us killin us.....

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Fuck aliens

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#2dopebrothersandastackofwax

https://www.instagram.com/thirtythree.three/

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>
> and ya'll should be too....
>
>
> gotdamn - we just love to see niggas killin niggas, niggas
>shootin niggas, niggas killin niggas with drugs..
>
>they'll put a nigga killin nigga show on in a heartbeat...
>
> let it be niggas killin white folks......
>
> let it be something showing niggas as kings and
>queens....that shyt don't fly...
>
>they program us to want to see us killin us.....
>
>

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Fuck aliens

-Warriorpoet415

#2dopebrothersandastackofwax

https://www.instagram.com/thirtythree.three/

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Fuck this dope dealing glamor shit

As for Snowfall tho, I feel like this is the only one that matters, because it speaks to the involvement of the American Government in the crack epidemic. Not just casually mentioning it, but detailing it as part of the show. I personally don't think any such show should be done without thoroughly addressing that.

That said, I ended up enjoying Power too lol. Snowfall is a cut above for the above-mentioned reason tho. The only "drug slangin' black folk" show or movie that I'd recommend to everyone.

>As for Snowfall tho, I feel like this is the only one that
>matters, because it speaks to the involvement of the American
>Government in the crack epidemic. Not just casually mentioning
>it, but detailing it as part of the show. I personally don't
>think any such show should be done without thoroughly
>addressing that.

I saw an ad for the new season the other day, thought it was a new show lol. Not sure how I hadn't heard of it previously, considering the rave reviews the show seems to get.

Anyway when I saw this post it reminded me of seeing the ad, so I looked it up and saw that the show explores the CIA/US gov't's ushering in of the crack epidemic in deep detail so I'm def more interested than I probably would be otherwise, for the reasons outlined herein (stereotypes of Black drug dealers being so prevalent, etc.). So I've added this to my list, will hopefully/probably check it out at some point.

nm

meh

And I hate giving money to the people who profit the most from the suffering of communities that the central intelligence agency floods with guns and drugs

starting season 3 now

I love it because it opened up a dialogue with my son and I

my origin story began in south central LA circa 1984-1992, on one hand, watching the show takes me back to that time, on the other hand it has the same problem biopics have where they take something cool that you like and somehow make it uncool.

For me I have a hard time keeping up with the story arc because it seems to go from believable to out there and back to believable to a point where it feels like it wants to be gritty realism while also wanting to be some larger-than-life-story

that said...I've been having a start-stop-start pattern with the show over the past 2 years.

Ruthless Franklin is the best character on the show. Nice Guy Diplomat Franklin is THEE WORST.people.

Ain’t no way Manboy is that bad if a shot. I think they’re trying to squeeze Franklin.

What kind of drugs go in your ear hole?

>What kind of drugs go in your ear hole?

I've always heard about it, but never seen it done.

The trip to SF where they learned how to make crack. But that’s pretty deep into the season, closer to the end.

it's definitely exceeded expectations. S3 was fire

after watching one commercial

Both crack and religion gave Melody the same crazy eyes.

Monk from the Wire been eating. I mean i guess we all have but i wasn't sure that was him.

Why was Rob from the valley part of the ambush/shoot out? He's never given any indication he's about that sort of thing. I mean, even for Jammin Jerome, you can see killing ain't really his thing. he was pretty shook.

I thought that whole bottoms shoot out sequence with ManBoy vs Stacy last season was part of Franklin's coma dream.

It's good to have this show back

>Monk from the Wire been eating. I mean i guess we all have but
>i wasn't sure that was him.

Ha! I knew that was him. I just couldn't remember his character's name for whatever reason. He was just "the dumb asshole who shot Cutty." I did like that according to Lurp, Saint's muscle is going to be shooters from Oakland.

>Why was Rob from the valley part of the ambush/shoot out? He's
>never given any indication he's about that sort of thing. I
>mean, even for Jammin Jerome, you can see killing ain't really
>his thing. he was pretty shook.

Yeah, that took me aback. Made even less sense than Saint being there, honestly. You'd think they'd have someone more official.

>I thought that whole bottoms shoot out sequence with ManBoy vs
>Stacy last season was part of Franklin's coma dream.

I'd remembered that part was real. I can't even remeber though, he they suggested that Man Boy and Stacy were beefing before that final episode?

>It's good to have this show back

Me too. Man, backing Man Boy over Skully was such the wrong play. Louie was 100% right. Man Boy's looking to take over, and eyeing Saint like he's weak. Skully's shermed-out ass is going to fuck with them all season. They should have taken out Man Boy and offered Leon his territory as a peace offering.

I assume things look bad for Leon now, but he'll rebound. He's probably going to team with Man Boy against Saint by mid-season.

>Yeah, that took me aback. Made even less sense than Saint
>being there, honestly. You'd think they'd have someone more
>official

Yeah Saint didn't have much business there either but I could see why he would want to be. One just as a 'hands on' leader, and also because it was too important a thing to fuck up, which you can see he couldn't prevent by being there anyway.

>
>>I thought that whole bottoms shoot out sequence with ManBoy
>vs
>>Stacy last season was part of Franklin's coma dream.
>
>I'd remembered that part was real. I can't even remeber
>though, he they suggested that Man Boy and Stacy were beefing
>before that final episode?

I believe they did suggest the beef, but the sequence seems dream like. I suppose its the version that plays out in Franklin's head once it was relayed to him by Jerome and others as some surreal shit.

>>It's good to have this show back
>
>Me too. Man, backing Man Boy over Skully was such the wrong
>play. Louie was 100% right. Man Boy's looking to take over,
>and eyeing Saint like he's weak. Skully's shermed-out ass is
>going to fuck with them all season. They should have taken out
>Man Boy and offered Leon his territory as a peace offering.
>
>I assume things look bad for Leon now, but he'll rebound. He's
>probably going to team with Man Boy against Saint by
>mid-season.

Yeah, Louie was 100% right about Man Boy, I was in camp obvious that Skully gotta go, and I didn't even see it until she so easily articulated it. Louie and Alton are pretty much the only other reliable brains of the operation.

I don't think Leon will end up with Man Boy just because Leon can't stand him. i mean, maybe?

>Both crack and religion gave Melody the same crazy eyes.
Bruh, I saw it and made me think of how many people I know in my hood growing up were fiends and end up getting sober through religion and had them same crazy ass eyes while preaching about the Lord's work.

>Monk from the Wire been eating. I mean i guess we all have but
>i wasn't sure that was him.
Monk been eating real good. Also once again here we go with Franklin not listening to people. You have a damn merc that worked LARP in 'Nam telling you how to handle ish and yet you gotta be hard headed.

>Why was Rob from the valley part of the ambush/shoot out? He's
>never given any indication he's about that sort of thing. I
>mean, even for Jammin Jerome, you can see killing ain't really
>his thing. he was pretty shook.
Rob stood out as a strange thing but at this point you figured he's all the way in on this shit now and Franklin don't have an army so he had to bring whoever. Jerome has never been about that murder life, you could tell he was old school use ya fist kinda dude.

That whole Man Boy vs Skully thing is another dumb Franklin move, everyone including Leon told him not to fuck with Man Boy from the jump. Now with the gang war they still said don't fuck with Man Boy cause he's out to take over. What does Franklin do, chase the money and fuck it up.

>I thought that whole bottoms shoot out sequence with ManBoy vs
>Stacy last season was part of Franklin's coma dream.

Yea that was really, ManBoy never wanted to deal with Skully anyway and I don't remember them saying why it popped off but ManBoy been waiting to hit Skully.

>It's good to have this show back

It feels real good to have this show back. I do have questions about the LA Harold (R.I.P.) reporter and how she's going to bring shit down. Also Reed is fully hooked on that coke now, how long before he's totally left out alone and he has to deal with Cartel's etc....?

> I do have questions about the LA Harold (R.I.P.) reporter and how she's
> going to bring shit down.

I'm guessing she's going to end up discovering that Franklin is backed by the CIA. And then it becomes a Gary Webb type thing (allbeit one that's about a decade early).

Which would mean they're trying to wrap the show up. Also, her line about growing up in the area, seemed off. As far as I remember growing up the area where Franklin and them are is/was primarily black. Just seemed off.

I don’t understand that

I would love to binge the series and catch up

But I’m not subscribing to Hulu to do it.

shit is getting deep

curious because i binged up to ep 3 of this season in about a week

and i feel like the last 2 weeks have been a little off

The crack epidemic is when someone can make a buck abt it in hollywood

>The crack epidemic is when someone can make a buck abt it in
>hollywood

what has intrigued me about this show so far is that it actually talks about the government involvement in the 80's which hasn't been touched on in other shows that I'm aware of

and showed their level of involvement in the crack era?

niggas just making up reasons now

show most people don't know what its actually about

>and showed their level of involvement in the crack era?
>
>niggas just making up reasons now

niggas got prepared answers that tell me they have no idea how dope this show really is and what they are exposing.

Don't do that hoe shit.

I'm not watching the show because it is reselling the crack era as lurid gangster entertainment. It is a fictionalized retelling of a horrible time in american history.

And! There is nothing mad up abt that. Continue to cheerlead tho hoe cake. I'm glad you enjoying it

you aint the only lazy fool in here talking loud and wrong

and if i dont shut up what happens?

the show is about crack and its impact on the Black community. i said that. its accurate.

its sensationalized and fictionalized because its a dam tv show not a documentary. i said that, its accurate.

EYE am not watching it for the above stated true ass reasons that arent made up they simply facts.

so if anyone is loud and wrong my ignorant ass non entity on the internet friend...its you.

now good day, madam.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

And the death fake-outs are the fucking worst.
That was when I knew I was done with The Walking Dead. 6 episode death pump fake.
One of the many great things about The Wire and early Game of Thrones was that they didn't protect characters like that.
As soon as season 4 started, I thought, it's getting too hot around Franklin and crew. Somebody, Jerome, Louie, or Leon has to die. Then they do an annoying ass pump-fake. Louie might be my favorite character, but if you're gonna go through the trouble of shooting her (and after Franklin survived his shooting), she should have died.

And then we get the death of 3 antagonists in 1 episode? C'mon. It's too easy for these people.

Much easier to kill an antagonist...
Kevin was important but tertiary

Kev was just being a bitch

I don't really think Kevin was that central a character. They were teeing him up to be taken out the whole season.

The Louie thing bothered me, because we *just* went through the "she's in surgery" thing with Wanda. I love Louie and i thought it was ballsy as hell of the show to take her out, until they didn't.

took me a while to realize who Scully is played by. Like no it can't be him?!

dope that De'aundre Bonds is getting work after his bid. I've always been a fan.


The show teetered there in season 2 where I almost gave up on it. But I'm gald I stuck with it. I think the Melody episode was the turning point for me where this went from a good show to a great one.

It might be typical based on the characters he's played before, but his acting in this role is nomination worthy to me.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

I don't think the writing was ever great, but this 4th season was all about high drama at the expense of good writing.
Entertaining, but eye-roll inducing.

it was much slower and methodical..

I know some didn’t like that but I enjoyed the pace the first 3 seasons.

Of the show

Episode full of setups for season 5. Like, nothing really happened aside from the shit with Alton and Teddy. Nigga on the radio threatening to tell the info but not actually telling it and then thinking they gonna let him live? Then the whole speech about "the white man" at the standoff felt more like white folks writing than anything real.

Ok, they found Lucia, but we don't see her. Jerome and Louie bouncing.

If Franklin keeps telling Leon what he is and ain't gon do, he's going to wake up one day and Leon will be in Italy somewhere, living his best life.

The big ending with Melody and the cane was rather corny to me.

The way his mama walked out the door after telling Alton she was going to the store was HILARIOUSLY goofy.

Good enough to keep my attention.

He deserved everyone of those bullets. And like others have said, I wish they would have killed him off. It would have made more sense for her to take him out.

>He deserved everyone of those bullets. And like others have
>said, I wish they would have killed him off. It would have
>made more sense for her to take him out.

How do you kill off the main character in a show without ending the show?

Entertaining enough, I love that they’re putting in the CIA bringing coke in element, but judging it on the Breaking Bad/Wire scale.....it’s just not all the way there. It’s watchable though and occasionally great.

>Entertaining enough, I love that they’re putting in the CIA
>bringing coke in element, but judging it on the Breaking
>Bad/Wire scale.....it’s just not all the way there. It’s
>watchable though and occasionally great.

I mean, I can suspend belief on occasion - hell, Breaking Bad required it often.

but the writing and pacing were just on another level from this. Snowfall is good, but sometimes it’s sloppy.

i love FX but they have a certain quality and vibe to their shows that causes their dramas to be a little schlocky at times. they'll sacrifice a sensible journey just to get to a destination/scene they want to show

HBO I feel like they'd have to come w/ more attention to detail and nuance.

robbing Unc and killing his people in the process, then trying to undercut Unc with his own people selling the drugs he stole from Unc at a cheaper price, pointing a gun at Louie, all the while forgetting that she initially set him up talking about all he did for them, they built that shit together off so dope he got off some chance shit through the white boy that he killed.

Then he's trying go after Teddy at the same time.

i kinda had an issue with end of that first ep because it seemed too far and too out of character for Jerome. not that he's a saint but idk ...maybe the show's not fresh in my head enough to confirm that.

but the end of ep2 i felt pretty much #teamJerome.

>i kinda had an issue with end of that first ep because it
>seemed too far and too out of character for Jerome. not that
>he's a saint but idk ...maybe the show's not fresh in my head
>enough to confirm that.
>
>but the end of ep2 i felt pretty much #teamJerome.

It was out of character, but Jermoe has gotten less and less of a reluctant gangster since season 3. I think the thing that made it go wild was Louie telling him about Franklin pulling a gun. Louie has always had a hold on Jerome, and it's just that much tighter between her getting shot and the wedding.

Now I side with Jerome that Franklin didn't need to pull a gun out, but Louie was wrong and should've made a deal with Franklin. She could've fronted him some keys until he could get back up. cFranklin was also right about him waiting to sell the next dime while Louie was getting wet. But his greed did create the people they are now and so now they're all in this situation.

But at the end I'm #teamOso, just hope he makes it out at the end.

then, like all pre-pandemic shows for me, once the pandemic hit i just got interested in TV a lot less, and stopped watching.

like, i'm seasons behind on a lot of shows i really liked, including Snowfall.

and most "prestige" TV that's come since i just never felt like i was missing anything.

i randomly fell asleep on the couch last night and woke up to the Snowfall S6 premiere being mid episode and watched it for about 10 mins and it seemed good even tho i didn't know all the details of what was going on, lol. i'd heard the last couple seasons were kinda mid, so maybe seeing 10 mins of this season premiere and being able to recognize the quality bodes well for the final season.

I'm almost done with season 4.

“if you ever put your hands on me..”

backhand

“you aint gonna do shit!”

the music was perfect

n/m

Tried to start streaming it last year, but couldn't get into it at first.

Gave it another try this past week, and I've been hooked. Really good show. Really love how they aren't letting the government off the hook.

Season 4 shows some cracks though. I'm afraid that the show is gonna fall into the same rut the House of Cards did with the protagonists somehow always being smarter and faster and winning against everyone else even though they are in a world full of people just as fast, smart and ruthless.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

hits too close to home. I lived through it for real, on hand hand I never want to see it, on the other hand, I can't stop thinking "YA'LL GOT IT WRONG" whenever I see any parts of it.

but sometimes I wonder if they actually get it wrong or if it belongs to you and no one could ever tell it right unless you tell it yourself?

“its yours” so there is no right way to tell it but its TV, not a documentary so I wonder if folks like you watch it looking for any reason to call bullshit.

Like a person going to a comedy performance, not to laugh or be entertained but to look for the gaffes.

>but sometimes I wonder if they actually get it wrong or if it
>belongs to you and no one could ever tell it right unless you
>tell it yourself?
>
>“its yours” so there is no right way to tell it but its
>TV, not a documentary so I wonder if folks like you watch it
>looking for any reason to call bullshit.
>
>Like a person going to a comedy performance, not to laugh or
>be entertained but to look for the gaffes.

I was active duty USMC when the movie A Few Good Men came out and hated it at the time because I couldn't get past all the "Hollywood" discrepancies I actually enjoy the movie now and just laugh at the gaffes lol

I think this when people try to bash movies or series because “they lived there or lived through it”

They will never get it as right as our real life experiences.

Do they get close enough for the average viewer to believe it?

My question for those who do it for the Snowfalls and Wire type shows. Is there even a way to make it “right or accurate?”

>I think this when people try to bash movies or series because
>“they lived there or lived through it”
>
>They will never get it as right as our real life experiences.
>
>
>Do they get close enough for the average viewer to believe it?
>
>
>My question for those who do it for the Snowfalls and Wire
>type shows. Is there even a way to make it “right or
>accurate?”

I know people that were around the BMF story who get upset about the inaccuracies even though at the beginning of every show it posts a disclaimer something to the effect that "the story is loosely based on the truth, some things have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes, but a lot of this shit may have actually happened" lol

Notice how anytime they ask for certain specific details people get real quiet.. lol

of course it won’t be accurate. Dudes aint out here telling the whole story trying to get caught up in old shit.

reporter: were you there when he was shot”
dude: “I’m not going to speak on that!”
dude 2: “nope”
dude 3: silence.. “no comment on that question”

so its not that I'm looking for discrepancies, it's just that I have to do some extra work to become immersed

I could tell that the life he's built don't mean shit to him. I genuinely think he would've preferred for Franklin to shoot him. RIP Jammin' Jerome

wtf I got besides dead bodies and grief?

The way he talked to Leon, was almost like he was jealous that Leon got away and he knows the game will take him out eventually and he can't leave

It was a good episode; the wedding was beautiful, and seeing Leon in Ghana just at peace was great. Now he's returning to a shit storm and still trying to do the right thing and bring them all back together. It's only going to get him killed.

Oso's a goner; Teddy isn't about to let him go, and now that he knows the KGB is watching and the DEA, he has to tie up all loose ends before he can even get a sniff at coming back in from the cold.

Big Deon has to go, but I'm afraid that will lead to Leon's downfall. I wish Lee would listen to Franklin and Wanda an walk away.

>It was a good episode; the wedding was beautiful, and seeing
>Leon in Ghana just at peace was great. Now he's returning to a
>shit storm and still trying to do the right thing and bring
>them all back together. It's only going to get him killed.
>
>Oso's a goner; Teddy isn't about to let him go, and now that
>he knows the KGB is watching and the DEA, he has to tie up all
>loose ends before he can even get a sniff at coming back in
>from the cold.
>
>Big Deon has to go, but I'm afraid that will lead to Leon's
>downfall. I wish Lee would listen to Franklin and Wanda an
>walk away.

And GTFO of dodge, like next train smoking type shit

I don't know how he'd figure out taking all his money with him, but there's nothing there for them anymore. Wanda's family hasn't forgiven her and Leon just doesn't fit in. I hope he recognizes his (lack of) power to change this system he so badly wants to change

It's rare enough someone like him could ride off into the sunset, but you only get one of those.

Without Leon, Wanda's gonna go full Pookie.

I felt for her in that grandma scene but looking at it from the other side, I get it

As soon as we got that extended Leon and Wanda scene in the opening, I was sure he was gonna die.

Bruh gonna smoke Leon and probably hold Wanda down and force her to smoke crack after this asswhooping

Sooooo much shit in this show is her fault and Jerome by proxy cause she got his nuts in her pocket. Just cannot play her damn role.

with Claudia in the beginning because Unc initially said he didn't fool with cocaine

trying to be a boss

she is more addicted to this than Franklin

>with Claudia in the beginning because Unc initially said he
>didn't fool with cocaine

So Franklin took something they didnt want to do....built it up...included them....wished them well expanding elsewhere all for her to double back and try to take it....what did she do wrong lol

“what did she do? what the problem?”

nigga what?

Her and her man were making tons of money without all the stress/pressure of being the top boss. If I’m in her position I don’t even want to be the boss. She messed everything up.

Leon went straight Craig and Deboo with that fight with Big Deon. Deon is still living, and there's no way he will come back and retaliate. I think Einstein or Wand will be a casualty, and that's what gets him out of all of this.

Now I don't like Big Deon, but gawd damn, did that nigga have some ether-level jokes about Wanda. And one of them cats said she was dry; just the total disrespect there.

Teddy will end OSO, especially now that he is working with the DEA and the KGB.

Gay El Capo was a new twist to the story, which makes things more interesting.


Frankling is a fucking beast. This cat caught three bodies and the way he did Todd, lmao. "Said you wanted to cook, didn't you? Huh?, Cook, then NIGGA!!" that was another classic Franklin Saint line. Poor scarface nigga got clowned, tried to change sides, botched the hit, and got killed. All in one episode, classic.


Actually, this episode had a lot of good lines. Kane's like about Franklin being a hoe and hoe's make money was excellent. I'm thinking Kane gotta respect Franklin more after that shootout and how he handled shit.


Franklin's baby mom and her mom gonna grift this nigga out of his money. She ain't gonna stay with this dude; she made that decision in S1. She's only helping so she can secure the bag and disappear away from all this shit with her baby. She told Franklin she didn't want any part of that life anymore and he pulled her in deeper against her will; now she's gotta do what's right for her and that baby.

only 3 eps in and so far I'm digging it

At times it feels like I'm watching a GTA tv show, maybe it's just cause the main character's name and they keep sending him on missions.

There's 6 seasons of this !?!

once I caught up to the current season and can't binge anymore I'm kinda losing steam on it.. you know how these things begin to become like soap operas and less like hard hitting gritty dramas after x number of seasons. still I'm checkin in tomorrow so what do I know.

Tell me that wasn’t Craig’s sister screaming “get up” to Leon during that fight.

they're really playing up his potential

no way both Leon and Wanda make it but only one of them will. I'm guessing Wanda

on some Menace to Society steez or after he gets his test scores like Ricky

We just watched Craig beat up Deebo.

They about to use all the LA movie endings this season

the second they started looking at colleges, i was like RIP Einstein

They will catch him slipping on some Ricky and Tre in the Ally shit.

They ain’t letting him leave and move on with his life

Franklin's cold as shit. He wasn't playing with Teddy. Deaded his dad in front of his baby momma and her momma. They got no choice but to skip town with that money if they get it. Frankie is unhinged.

It was good seeing Teddy shook. He's always calm and calculated, but Franklin's move on his pops lowered that veil. Now he's feeling it, didn't get shit with the KGB dude, but he has some pron. Pop's got deaded and now he has to worry if Franklin has enough info to track down his kid and ex-wife.


I need Leon and Wanda to leave; this will only end tragically for them both. They are still making cracks on Leon marrying Wanda, and she is fragile; that rock is about to call her like Pookie.

Rome is done, and I think Louie or that cop might kill him. He did not like how Louie was hyped that they almost got Franklin; the game wasn't in him anymore. Not that it ever was, but he's paranoid now about going to his boy's shop and pulling the uzi. That and seeing how the dude was out of the game and happy with an auto shop. It's all Jerome wanted, Jammin' Jermoe's stereo store and a happy family. He'll never have it.

Lastly, fuck Big Deon. This dude is disrespectful everywhere he goes. Somebody has dirt nap his ass.

>Franklin's cold as shit. He wasn't playing with Teddy.
>Deaded his dad in front of his baby momma and her momma. They
>got no choice but to skip town with that money if they get it.
>Frankie is unhinged.
>
>It was good seeing Teddy shook. He's always calm and
>calculated, but Franklin's move on his pops lowered that veil.
>Now he's feeling it, didn't get shit with the KGB dude, but he
>has some pron. Pop's got deaded and now he has to worry if
>Franklin has enough info to track down his kid and ex-wife.

isn't Teddy's ex CIA? I don't think she would be as easy to get. And what's stopping Teddy from going after Franklin's mom who is clearly operating out in the open?


>I need Leon and Wanda to leave; this will only end tragically
>for them both. They are still making cracks on Leon marrying
>Wanda, and she is fragile; that rock is about to call her like
>Pookie.

right so now Leon is going to take over the crack game in the projects and make it better? Is that what he came back to do?

>Rome is done, and I think Louie or that cop might kill him. He
>did not like how Louie was hyped that they almost got
>Franklin; the game wasn't in him anymore. Not that it ever
>was, but he's paranoid now about going to his boy's shop and
>pulling the uzi. That and seeing how the dude was out of the
>game and happy with an auto shop. It's all Jerome wanted,
>Jammin' Jermoe's stereo store and a happy family. He'll never
>have it.

yeah I feel bad for Unc, he's being pulled in multiple directions, this is why he didn't want to mess with coke in the first place but Franklin and Louie drew him in now they want to kill each other.

>Lastly, fuck Big Deon. This dude is disrespectful everywhere
>he goes. Somebody has dirt nap his ass.

yep, the dirty ex cop too, I'm tired of him

Teddy was like “my dad? fuck him…. wait, wait, wait…. let’s be calm about this”

burnt his house down so he can’t even have an open casket.

cold blooded.

I’m ready for Louie to go.. she toxic as fuck.

Feel bad for Jerome

“sorry for fucking up yalls day”

It's the first time we've seen him worried.


Louie isn't shit, but they gave us that when the show started. Franklin didn't lie about her when he and Rome were at the dinner. Now look, she is power-hungry and ruthless. She's not seeing that Jerome is still his uncle; regardless, it's still blood.

I think Kane caught Buckely based on that preview from last week. I don't think Jerome is gone yet; he'll probably be the second to last domino to fall at the end.

everybody else is wishy washy but Louie is straight up about hers all the time

Franklin just put her in grave danger. Along with his girl and unborn kid.

he already tipped Teddy off about his wife and kid, so what's his leverage after that?

dude's ego is out of control. This show is now in SOA territory in terms of its over-the-topness, mostly with Franklin being this prolific killer and sharpshooter. but yeah, it's still fun.

>Franklin just put her in grave danger. Along with his girl
>and unborn kid.
>
>he already tipped Teddy off about his wife and kid, so what's
>his leverage after that?
>
>dude's ego is out of control. This show is now in SOA
>territory in terms of its over-the-topness, mostly with
>Franklin being this prolific killer and sharpshooter. but
>yeah, it's still fun.

Right he’s definitely advanced from season 1 when he couldn’t bring himself to shoot that guy that took his money

Finally. I was waiting for it.

he killed your dad you killed his
but boy talk about scorching the Earth

V is def bouncing w/ whatever bread they get back Franklin is too cold now

I knew it happened.

I watched those episodes

but I think the fractured relationship made me think more of his mom’s exhusband than Franklins pops.

While it was gangster af, I thought Franklin overstepped and the show went a bit too far but now that you mention the obvious. Franklin had to do it. He killed his pops AND STOLE 73 MILL.

Teddy killed his daddy. Not Franklin.

>he killed your dad you killed his
>but boy talk about scorching the Earth
>
>V is def bouncing w/ whatever bread they get back Franklin is
>too cold now

"I'll bleed them, like I did your Daddy. LIKE YOU BLED MINE."

That shit would have been *chef's kiss*

It was cold blooded ... but on the other hand, it didn't seem that Teddy was taking him serious before. Seriously, what did you expect someone to do when you take 73 mil from them?

I wouldn't blame V for leaving, if for no other reason, because he's reached a point of no return after she gave him a suggested way out of this. I don't see a scenario where he just happens to get the money back and things go back to normal

Wild that he blew this shit up over what ... street lights? "Overthrowing" Deon is supposed to somehow clean up the act of selling cocaine?

I fear that both Leon and Franklin will ultimately suffer the same fate because they didn't listen to the women in their lives

and yeah, he married the crack head but it was his fault she became a crack head.

I know its a pipe dream but Leon wants to believe there is a noble way of selling drugs.

>I know its a pipe dream but Leon wants to believe there is a
>noble way of selling drugs.

>I know its a pipe dream but Leon wants to believe there is a
>noble way of selling drugs.
>
>

Hate to see it

him and Wanda was living out there man you couldnt have paid me to come back

brought her back for what?

She is going to back on that shit by the end of the show.

crackhead lol

Then they decide to go back to the projects where she can walk outside and get drugs 24 hours a day.

>Wild that he blew this shit up over what ... street lights?
>"Overthrowing" Deon is supposed to somehow clean up the act of
>selling cocaine?
>
>I fear that both Leon and Franklin will ultimately suffer the
>same fate because they didn't listen to the women in their
>lives

Leon "winning" a fight and losing it all. After safely getting away.

and yes she is.

First clip.. “ALL OF THIS IS FRANKLINS FAULT.!!!!”

I can’t stand Louie.

Even after Jerome’s speech she was like.. “whatever nigga, its my time”

Vulture wrote a great article about the episode, showing the feminist Louie's character as a representation of feminism in a male-dominated field and society. Even touched on the branding by Kane and the gang rape displaying the evil that men do to women.

But at the same time, fuck Louie and that shit. A a certain point you gotta be smart enough to bounce. shit was getting out of hand and Unc was right. Don't blame Franklin (which we know she is), this one is on you.

we knew that from the first time we were introduced to her character

and all that would be okay if she wasn't with Unc.

The fact she is willing to burn it all down shows how fucked up she truly is..

>we knew that from the first time we were introduced to her
>character
>
>and all that would be okay if she wasn't with Unc.
>
>The fact she is willing to burn it all down shows how fucked
>up she truly is..
>

she went from being a “fun girl” at Claudia’s to running the cookhouse for Franklin to basically being his 2nd in command when he was locked up, then running her own shit, it was hard to walk away from that

I knew he was a dead man. Just didnt see it playing out the way it did.

SMH

He the one consistently likeable character.

smh

It never made sense to me that when one guy has a gun and a bullet sponge hostage in front of them, why do so many of them act like they don’t have the advantage. Kane could have smoked Rome without all the adlibs.

Happens all the time in the movies and tv but still maddening every time I see it.

Btw- Louie a damn fool and should have peaced out. The maddening thing is she knows she fucked up going over Frank’s head and all the subsequent moves and chooses to be on some ego shit now
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

When Kane was holding Louie and standing a good 18 inches to her right, monologing, Jerome should have shot his ass. Like, at that distance, by the time you hear the shot, you've already been hit. I mean with all the shooting these dudes do, you figure that standing 10 feet away, you can hit the target no problem.

I also, hate that stand-off shit.

But tv gon tv. Movies gon movie.

>Btw- Louie a damn fool and should have peaced out. The
>maddening thing is she knows she fucked up going over
>Frank’s head and all the subsequent moves and chooses to be
>on some ego shit now
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.


but if the preview is to be believed she gon be right back on her bs next week. When Jerome got got I said to myself, he should just kill Louie right now.

She gon be a problem.

with 1 hand like they normally do on tv lol

>It never made sense to me that when one guy has a gun and a
>bullet sponge hostage in front of them, why do so many of them
>act like they don’t have the advantage. Kane could have
>smoked Rome without all the adlibs.
>
>Happens all the time in the movies and tv but still maddening
>every time I see it.

it was literally "villain wastes time talking instead of just killing someone"

it was a dumb way for Kane AND Jerome to die, tbh. And to let Louie live, makes NO sense for Kane to do that when he was about to let niggas run the pain train endlessly.

I'll pass.

much bigger than that and it actually addresses how the government facilitated funneling drugs into black communities

STAY WOKE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxxfyG5efOE

Rip Unc

I stopped caring about 'ol girl and her brother

n/m

ole girl with the cheeks disappeared and I never followed up on if it was the storyline or not.

Can’t lie.. a few seasons back the writing was a bit of a mess and I wasn’t giving those episodes my full attention.

>ole girl with the cheeks disappeared and I never followed up
>on if it was the storyline or not.
Naw she ran away after Oso bodied her uncle and shit fell apart the first time the DEA came. They mentioned her in season 3 and her mom, and of drugs, runner said she went too deep into Mexico and wasn't coming back.

The actress has/had substance abuse issues so they never brought her back. It's crazy cause she played a recovering addict on Breaking Bad.

>I stopped caring about 'ol girl and her brother


who are you talking about? is this season 6 stuff??? i damn sure am not tracking lol

it gets weirder and less believable from there

That's who I thought you were talking about but it didn't sound like a current scenario.

It made me think she would come back, but nah lol. This show got really silly at times.

..nice to see someone noticed the cameo(s).


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Maybe I missed something or maybe it hasn't been revealed, but theoretically he'd be able to set Teddy up with Oso without needing Louie. I understand that there's a possibility he wanted to increase his chances of getting to him and is fine with otherwise burning that bridge with Louie for good

Either way, it seems like Teddy has everyone coming for him now, even his own people. It's wild to me that, through all of this, he hasn't even considered just giving Franklin back the money, and won't even touch it

The women were the voice of reason this episode, specifically Wanda and Teddy's ex. Feels like that Wanda/Leon convo is foreshadowing, unfortunately

>Maybe I missed something or maybe it hasn't been revealed,
>but theoretically he'd be able to set Teddy up with Oso
>without needing Louie. I understand that there's a possibility
>he wanted to increase his chances of getting to him and is
>fine with otherwise burning that bridge with Louie for good
He's covering all bases trying to get to Teddy. Probably figured him and Louie were done anyway so might as well be the devil and make that deal.

>Either way, it seems like Teddy has everyone coming for him
>now, even his own people. It's wild to me that, through all of
>this, he hasn't even considered just giving Franklin back the
>money, and won't even touch it

Teddy's too far up his own ass to see that the CIA will just cut him loose and Franklin is getting way to close. He still thinks he can play this out and get brought back into the arms of the agency. But I think his ex will sell him upriver even more.

>The women were the voice of reason in this episode, specifically
>Wanda and Teddy's ex. Feels like that Wanda/Leon convo is
>foreshadowing, unfortunately

I think Wanda is going to either leave Leon or end up being the last one standing. She'll grow old and be one of those chicks that used to be about that life and had a man that was in the game but he died or got locked up.

That look that Leon got from dude at the funeral was telling, I'm wondering if Leon is going to get got by one of the young boys in the PJ that think they can run things.

Teddy's wife was trying to talk sense into him and lay it all out but he wasn't listening. His new Iranian chick was disrespectful to her but she should know that Teddy is toxic and that the ex was right in her assessment of his situation. Just give the money back Teddy.

>He's covering all bases trying to get to Teddy. Probably
>figured him and Louie were done anyway so might as well be the
>devil and make that deal.

If she offered to give up Teddy if he got her outta there, and he did indeed get her outta there (clearly did not plan to get Jerome killed in the process), I'm not understanding how THAT makes him some kind of devil to cash in on that. That's rhetorical, but might be missing something

>I think Wanda is going to either leave Leon or end up being
>the last one standing. She'll grow old and be one of those
>chicks that used to be about that life and had a man that was
>in the game but he died or got locked up.
>
>That look that Leon got from dude at the funeral was telling,
>I'm wondering if Leon is going to get got by one of the young
>boys in the PJ that think they can run things.

I could see it

even though she may be right in this instance. Teddy is running out of moves.

they made a point to show people side eyeing Leon as he walked around the projects. I assume his days are numbered.

she right tho. Teddy's a moron for not giving Franklin his money back. he underestimated him, and can't admit it to himself.

so I can see why she is an asshole too or a bigger one to have a kid with him

I assume it’ll be centered around her helping at risk kids in early 90s gang LA

I don't think the show will last and honestly doesn't make sense.

It think it also sets up Leon dying or going to jail for sure.

will be in the new show but it won’t be centered around her

cold-blooded ending

he plays the role, prolly because it's beneficial to him, but he could've let them do whatever to her. Also, if it was me. When Jerome died, I'da killed her right then and there, because I knew she was gonna be on some ole "It's all Franklin's fault" shit, and I was right, cuz she the type of person that can't be self accountable.

she is playing the hell out of that role because I hate her as a person.

any role I see her in after this I’m rooting against her.

>she is playing the hell out of that role because I hate her
>as a person.
>
>any role I see her in after this I’m rooting against her.

does Skully know Leon killed his daughter, or does he think it was Fatback?

it's just weird seeing them in the same place, and i don't remember how this hashed out.

>does Skully know Leon killed his daughter, or does he think
>it was Fatback?
>
>it's just weird seeing them in the same place, and i don't
>remember how this hashed out.
>
>

I believe Leon apologized directly to Khadijah for it, but that apology never made it to Skully. I don't remember them having a direct interaction since that incident

something may or may not come out of it. But if I remember Skully's made peace with it, but he probably still don't like Leon.

Why was the mom rolling around with her kids in the car with a bunch of gangsters in the middle of a gang war? And no one seemed to blame her for it. It was all Leon’s fault even though he didn’t know kids were in the car.

Christ

Even after getting jacked up by Tony Marino and the DEA, my man came through. He took out Ruben, still saved Franklin, and safely got his girl and the kids out safe. Not sure if he's going to make it, though.


That Leon and Skully moment had all the feels. I'm glad they could come to peace with everything between them.

Louie's ass is done; DEA will get her and throw them agents' deaths at her. She'll probably take everyone else out with her, but I'm happy she got to release that anger on Franklin, and I'm glad she could be out of the paint for good.

It looks like Teddy is all the way cut off from the agency but that doesn't mean he's going down. Hopefully, Franklin gets some good shots in before it all goes down. He would melt his ass in acid; Teddy's an evil fucker.

what was the reason for Teddy not just killing Franklin right away, since he was about to do it before Oso showed up?

the whole drop set up felt forced to me.

i was happy for Oso, but i had some problems suspending my disbelief in this ep.

call it kurt sutter ptsd i guess lol

>what was the reason for Teddy not just killing Franklin right
>away, since he was about to do it before Oso showed up?


Like, Franklin should have been dead three times over. Right when Teddy pulled up. Or right after he stomped him unconscious, or right when Teddy first got him in the warehouse.

What's the point of melting him in acid when he could just leave the body on the streets and people would figure he's just another D-boy who got caught in the game?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

6 in the mornin'

tippy toe hanging is a bit too risky and unbelievable.

but that smile and Teddy realizing he got got was lovely.

perfecto

Shit brought me right back to my childhood.

I'm entirely open to being wrong, but I associate airbrush tees as a 90s thing.

I remember because I had my dad paint Prince Little Red Corvette on the back of my members only jacket..

but that shit started to crack after a few weeks because it was regular paint and not airbrushed.. lol

appreciate the perspective.

..It was one of my hustles.

My commissions were mostly bboys, but transitioned to gangs (especially bomber jackets, tracksuits, or anything denim). *By '89, I was airbrushing for people from all walks of life (including church groups and parents lol).


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

(who weirdly started being active again today) when he was meeting with Oso

but Chaka wasn't really around until 90/91

so it took me out of the moment

theres's other stuff like that in the show that stand out for me. the Flannel/hoodie combos also weren't a thing before the 90s when they were at every swap meet.

..the scenic for that set plays like an homage to the culture that evolved during that time.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

The flannel hoodie was around in the '80s my uncle used to rock one back when he was slanging/using powder then. Not sure if it was an Eastside thing or not but it was part of the fashion.

84-86 la graff was in it's infancy and there were a handful of known writers...around 87/88 things started to ramp up quite a bit more. I mean i know this because i was around this stuff all the time as a kid in the late 80s. writers all knew each other or of each other, because there were a handful of yards where writers could congregate, or the writers bench on fairfax.
With Chaka his spot was mostly belmont, but he wasn't *really* around before 89 at best. he didn't become a known thing before 90 and he blew up after that.
if i can be more nitpicky, even the way he writes his name wasn't a style before the early 90s.. he was kind of the head of a second generation

I never met him because i moved on by then but alot my friends knew/know him.
my homeboy frame/nacho used to appear on those new specials with him once he was getting busted at all the time.

the flannel thing i could def be wrong about tho lol

..that's clearly a nod to the legends of the culture/neighborhood.

Several artistic liberties taken with this series (and others), but it plays well overall.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

because im washed enough to notice lol

not even sure if they had chaka do that or if someone scouted that spot He started getting active again after 20 something years
He's had gallery shows (which is wild for someone who doesn't really piece) and clothing collabs since then, but last year he started hitting spots again, which is pretty crazy.

I appreciate folks knowing the accuracy of these things but at the same time I’m like “clearly they want to pay “homage” and show are digging in the crates.

They were mainly Mid-City L.A. but they tagged everywhere especially Soon and Miner.

I didn't notice anything until probably 87 when i saw some other kid with a pilot marker write on the bus... i was like what is this new york shit? i was used to gang graffiti. then like overnight it was everywhere, all these crews like WCA, LTS, K2S started popping up but really they had been around a few years.

Miner was known, i didn't learn who soon was until everyone at school had that Spraycan art book and LA had only like 2 pages which was pretty much Miner, Risk(then Risky) Soon and a cpl others

Styles before the late 80s were still kinda chicken scratchy. there's a huge difference between 84 and say 88/89. plus writers were way more brash by then, like 20 people mobbing an RTD bus while they dropped off passengers.

chaka stood out a lot because he never changed the way he wrote his name. super legible with a fat cap. it also made it easier for him to get caught. plus dude legit looked like chaka from land of the lost lol

But I was super young, so I may have just mistaken some hood tag as his.

..while the dialog was certainly on point, this ep was extremely telegraphed. Pacing clearly helps, but damn.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Teddy gets the Al Green treatment and Cissy is the one to do the final deed.

Highlights: Havenmyer just bouncing; shit was hilarious to me.

Teddy going all in with that shit talk to Cissy til the end.

Oso looks like he'll get away even if Frnaklin didn't do Teddy as he asked.

Next week's preview looked interesting but I feel like this ending is getting fumbled.

Twenty minutes into the episode: "Franklin, you need to let Teddy go and walk away. It's for the good of the family."

Fifty minutes into the episode: "No! You can't let him go!"

Circumstances hadn't changed. She'd had her convos with both Teddy and Reuben. If anything, it was clearer to her why Franklin needed the money.

like he did Alton for the rest of their lives

She'd already talked to Teddy and he'd spun his b.s. She didn't get any new information from Teddy or Reuben between urging Franklin to let him go and changing her mind later on. Teddy was just as likely to hunt them down before Franklin Al Greened him; probably more so.

everything.

None of these characters were going to live "happily ever after"

..Her back & forth storyline was always muddled, but we've all known strong Black mothers that make exceptions to the rules for their own children.

My problem is how easily Teddy had her twisted about Alton.

She went from the satisfaction of getting revenge, to "..this is too far..." to... Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! © Levert

Everyone involved in this shit is guilty (including Cissy). There is no saving grace.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

both Teddy and Franklin losing in that moment made it all worth it

..Teddy & Franklin were delusional from the start. They were simply great salesmen when necessary.

Hustlers without a conscience.

No one makes it out of the game unscathed (if they make it out at all).


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

seeing him walk alone with those beautiful trees behind him..

but this is pretty much how it prolly ended for most people in his position. That crown only last for a few.

and hearing him talk like they are still after him when everyone just moved on with life because truth be told, he did exactly what was needed for America.

You always heard stories about those junkies who used to be THE MAN back in the day.

smh.. what a ride.

Franklin is walking around like his pops in the first season.

and gotdamn I didn’t even link that movie being filmed as a nod to Boyz In the Hood. The timing was perfect.. amazing ending

they left the door open for a possible return

read a review and people are furious Franklin went out like this

but IMO its the perfect ending for a drug dealer. Most don’t retire. They either get killed, go to jail or end up on that shit

Franklin being a drunk living in his momma’s house because he has no one a d nothing to live for (all he cared about was money and power).

He ruined his hood and now he has to “live” in it.

>read a review and people are furious Franklin went out like
>this
>
>but IMO its the perfect ending for a drug dealer. Most don’t
>retire. They either get killed, go to jail or end up on that
>shit
>
>Franklin being a drunk living in his momma’s house because
>he has no one a d nothing to live for (all he cared about was
>money and power).
>
>He ruined his hood and now he has to “live” in it.

Reading the twitter TL was enough. Idk if it was because Franklin was a charming and (relatively) likable person, but a lot of people seemed to be upset about that. I understood how and why it happened the way it happened, and I felt like reading reviews would've tainted my perception of the ending

His story is over; I'm hearing Wanda's story will take place during the late 80s and 90's rise of Gang Warfare and Gangsta Rap. If anything we'll probably get some more Leon.

to me like one of the crackheads that offered to blow O-Dogg in Menace (or maybe it was one of the crackheads in Friday? I forget). I was afraid he was on crack and not just alcohol.

That “surprise” killing had me happy his hoe ass was cracked out and half dead a little while later. Fuck that guy.

Once I left that immediate room, I'm running for my (literal) life

again

Fuck Franklin. He didn't even deserve Leon reaching out

lol

is the last person Franklin Saint killed

but it was like he needed someone to “rob him” that he could kill himself

showed how Franklin had no good left in him.

showing Franklin's decent into madness.

For this final season, knowing that they were just going for the finish, I wasn't as critical as I have been for the past couple seasons (I think the writing, while never great, had really gone downhill), and the pay-off seems fittingly very emotional and well done.

Damson killed it.

Some drug dealers make it out. He could have. It was like his circle was INTENT on seeing him fall, even if they had to fuck themselves in the process.

most drug dealers end up dead or in jail what actually happened might be the best possible outcome because he can recover from that

and she was pushed to the brink. Veronique even though i never trusted her turned out to be pretty ride or die until he put hands on her. Franlkin tried to threaten Leon in his own home. he didn't actively want to bring Franklin down, but wasn't gonna come along for the fall.

>Some drug dealers make it out. He could have. It was like his
>circle was INTENT on seeing him fall, even if they had to fuck
>themselves in the process.

as much as the money

he choked his BM
pulled out the strap on Leon

killed the innocent lockbreaker

dude was too far gone to help

I have a vague memory of Alton telling Franklin (or possibly Cissy) that he was "free" as a homeless drunk. But that could be some Inception shit on my part.

when I worked in a homeless shelter I heard this a lot.

…I the first episode. She stops by to see him while he’s working his night job at Cho’s (the liquor store that him and Lee walk to in the finale). She asks him what he’s looking for in life and he says, “Freedom. From all of this.”

Which, I guess, he gets.

and that line is in the intro. Shit hit waaaay different after that finale


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But I keep getting mixed reviews from people. What's the deal? Is it worth the time investment?

Give me a show it's comparable to? I am guessing not The Wire, but maybe it's as good as...Insecure?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but it's got a decent position in that second tier

and i think there was a time around season 3 when it was over-performing and it looked like it had a shot at being prestige TV. It never got there but it was really really good at times.

i tapped out in the last season of insecure so i guess i personally think it's better lol.

it's not in a conversation with the Wire, or say Atlanta, but it's infinitely better than Power or anything in that universe.

it's no where near the Sopranos, or Breaking Bad but way better than Sons of Anarchy... maybe slightly behind The Shield, idk.

dont get it twisted season 5 gets a little wonky but even at it's lows its still better than pretty much every other black show out in it's time besides Atlanta. its closer to prestige level TV than some ol bullshit like Power

And that was pretty good season overall.

It’s a good, entertaining show but not even close the level of the best shows ever.

from regular “drug dealer” shows it shows to the background behind the drug and the government involvement

>But I keep getting mixed reviews from people. What's the
>deal? Is it worth the time investment?
>
>Give me a show it's comparable to? I am guessing not The Wire,
>but maybe it's as good as...Insecure?

First of all those shows are complete different genres but both are in the GBSOAT conversation .

Snowfall really establishes its own lane because there’s really no other show like it that approaches the subject manner in the way that it does

just try a few episodes and see if its worth watching

but its like people watch these shows after they end and come on with their arms arms folded demanding perfection.. lol.

the actors weren’t black

...from the show's early seasons.

The first time Franklin meets Ari (under the pretense of buying $200 of cocaine for "Pussy-Boy" Robert), he talks him into fronting him a $12,000 ki.

After Franklin kills Peaches and gets poor Miguel to bust open the safe, all he finds is... $12,000.

Thats even better than him going to buy a bottle from the store he used to work in



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Leon moves to Ghana, falls in love with it, then decides to move back into the projects with his recovering wife? No one would ever do that lol. I could go on, but yeah a lot of silly stuff happened.

>Leon moves to Ghana, falls in love with it, then decides to
>move back into the projects with his recovering wife? No one
>would ever do that lol. I could go on, but yeah a lot of silly
>stuff happened.

SUCH an entertaining show with memorable moments and characters that will stick with me for a long time to come.

At certain points it was kinda far-fetched (Like Franklin having the Mexican kids eaten by that tiger) but Breaking Bad and other top tier shows had fantastical moments too so I'll just chalk it up to creative license.

Jerome might be the most hilarious dude on TV at the moment. Even during serious moments or if he wasn't actually saying anything, the camera would cut to him randomly during scenes and I would just start laughing

and visual story telling was.

The symbolism in how certain shots were framed was something I found myself looking for throughout my watch

Most likable character on the show, very funny.