But you kinda touched on that so we're good. I think we're mostly on the same page. It's a convoluted issue and obviously mental health isn't fully understood even by professionals, nevermind us here on a damn message board.

But yea. Looks like we're in agreement on everything haha. Just took us a few posts to get there.


>I hear you. I do.
>
>But mental illness doesn't make sense and he's certainly not
>looking to use it as a cop out. I think we have to be careful
>about downplaying how it can completely take over someone's
>life.
>
>No one *wants* to be ill.
>
>And ALSO... He's not looking for an excuse. AGAIN... if he had
>tried to kill himself vs. talking shit, his mental health
>would not be in question and we wouldn't be using language
>like "MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS HURTFUL DETRIMENTAL
>BEHAVIOR." Would you say that if he had tried to commit
>suicide?
>
>He hurts himself = crazy
>He hurts us = not crazy
>
>We're mad b/c his illness + platform allowed his illness to be
>on full display in a way that hurts us. When it impacts us,
>we change the narrative, but really, the drivers are the same.
>Do you see the disconnect?
>
>He's not looking to be excused and I'm not excusing him (not
>that what I say matters). But there's important context here
>that doesn't include questioning his intellect -- again
>substitute the offensive rant for a suicide attempt.
>
>Finally, NO ONE. Not a single person is saying that what he
>said isn't dangerous and shouldn't be loudly and vigorously
>opposed to (shouts to Van). That's not a question. That needs
>to happen, did happen, and is happening. BUT ALSO, he's sick
>and I hope he gets help.
>
>THAT should be our posture.