https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxwfDlhJIpw


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Fuck aliens

-Warriorpoet415




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

If we can't question his mental health then the only answer is : he's stupid.

Always has been. It just has never been this destructive before now.

I have not and will not see this interview.

they will paint him as mentally unstable and abusive.

which makes it more funny that kim is tryna guilt people for questioning his mental health. shes gonna depend on those same people believing her.

>they will paint him as mentally unstable and abusive.

She tried to love the hate out of him for YEARS, but she just can't take no more.

Every time Kanye says some wild shit like this Trump stuff, Kim goes on Twitter and Instagram to basically establish that he's going rogue.
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Doesn't make his words less despicable. But... he's not well and that's a shame.

Which he clearly is.

Not saying the mental illness part of it isn't sad, it very much is. But his stupidity is detrimental to others. His mental illness is only detrimental to him.

I am/was BIG mad at that bullshit he said yesterday. It's dangerous and marginalizes an already marginalized community... one that he belongs to *and* has supported him plenty over the years. We are responsible for his success.

BUT...

Mental illness is real. And it is irrational, erratic, nonsensical and horrifically ugly when it goes unchecked. Combine that with some power and a platform, and this is what we have. I mean, we weren't claiming he was 'stupid' when he shouted that George Bush hates black people on national television.

I'm just trying to make the point that this has ZERO to do with his intellect.. something we can't even debate considering he's sick.

Be mad at the dangerous shit he said, for sure. I was *hopping* mad last night. But in the light of day, even though that shit still smarts, I'm way more mad at the people that know he's sick, and are exploiting him for ratings.

He is ill. There is no 'but' clause.

>I'm way more mad at the people that
>know he's sick, and are exploiting him for ratings.

This I can agree with.

But how much do we actually know of his illness ? Like do we have a diagnosis ? Or are you a mental health professional (serious question) ? Or are we all just speculating wildly based on our own belief system ?

I say that as a way to say - without a proper diagnosis from someone way smarter than me I'm not willing to give this type of shit a pass just because he went to a halfway house last year. I sympathize with mental illness, my wife suffers from it. But if she suddenly started spewing racist nonsense at the dinner table, wearing a MAGA hat, or trying to poison my water at dinner to try and kill me, I wouldn't be all "aw this is so sad she's just suffering !" I'd call her a racist and an attempted-murderer and divorce her. While simultaneously encouraging her to go get some help.

In other words, the two are not mutually exclusive. Kanye can be a stupid, incoherent, brainwashed mess, and also have mental illness. The former does not necessarily have a direct correlation to the latter.

So, no. I'm not a mental health professional so I probably know less than you do about mental illness.

That said, Kanye has been demonstrating signs of mental illness for years. And that's just the shit *we* see on TV, etc. This has been talked about ad nauseum. I mean... I wasn't in those rooms with Weinstein but do I need to be to know that he's a serial sexual predator?

ALSO... he's basically admitted it in small (and some not-so-small) ways over the years, and in particular over the past few days. His wife alluded to it as well.

Without knowing shit about shit, I maintain that this is really clear and to question it just because you (the universal you) don't have his medical records seems disingenuous. There's plenty of evidence of Donald Trump being a racist based solely on his behavior but we don't know of him running down the street shouting 'I hate ___." (The collective) we have been saying Kanye is mentally ill for years. Let's not walk it back because his behavior is egregiously offensive to US. Because we're the ones offended now he's not crazy? That's unfair and short-sighted.

Again I say that this is what happens when mental illness goes unchecked and untreated. It doesn't get better. It gets worse. And while there are degrees of mental illness, there are illnesses that might have you be perfectly functioning today, and then you're off your meds for a while and you're behavior is nutty.

If you decided to leave your wife b/c she's displaying erratic behavior that happens to be racist, how you handle it and how you hold her accountable is your choice, but it doesn't mean the illness isn't the root cause.

Listen, I get it. 1 + 1 = 2. That he's a stupid narcissist is the only way we can explain the behavior. And under normal circumstances that would make sense.

But when you add mental health issues to the equation 1 + 1 = 5q3489-rtu eoidjklsgiopq3, unfortunately.

Mental illness is really, really hard to understand and even harder to explain but we need to try and muster sympathy and empathy b/c had his behavior manifested itself in a suicide attempt vs. a racist rant, the conversation would be very, very different.

In my experience, it doesn't help the person suffering from mental illness get better if you enable some of their worst behaviors. Re: Kanye, I think you're right, the evidence has been there for years. But there's also been a ton of evidence that he isn't that bright. But it wasn't detrimental so most people were willing to give that a pass.

But now that it *is* detrimental I'd hate to see us give him a pass because he's mentally struggling, and not check him while at the same time encouraging him to get further treatment. They can both be done.

But MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS HURTFUL DETRIMENTAL BEHAVIOR. I'm not saying that the illness isn't the root cause, it very well may be. But it also very well may not. We don't know for sure. And even if we DID, mental illness is not a free pass to act in a detrimental manner. It does not excuse that behavior. The mental illness needs to be treated. And the detrimental behavior needs to be LOUDLY opposed, no matter the cause of it. Again, my entire point is that both can be true.

Mental illness does not excuse telling an entire population of historically oppressed people that they "chose" to be enslaved and oppressed. That is fucking fucked, no matter if he's sick or not. That should NEVER be given a pass.

... does that excuse the behavior ? They murder multiple people. They are also clearly mentally fucked up, to be able to do something like that. It does not excuse the behavior. They should still suffer consequences for shooting up the school.

Kanye's situation isn't as dire, obviously. But the same logic should apply. He's mentally ill. Maybe his illness is the cause of his shitty behavior, maybe it isn't. But either way, both should be dealt with. And the illness should not be used as a cop out, a crutch, an excuse, for his behavior. Ever.

Affects us = accountable
Affects him/themselves = mentally ill

Though those things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, how we talk about it is COMPLETELY different. Unfairly so, I think.

Why he gotta STFU?

I will absolutely not do that. But thanks for chiming in.

or take a time out.

I hear you. I do.

But mental illness doesn't make sense and he's certainly not looking to use it as a cop out. I think we have to be careful about downplaying how it can completely take over someone's life.

No one *wants* to be ill.

And ALSO... He's not looking for an excuse. AGAIN... if he had tried to kill himself vs. talking shit, his mental health would not be in question and we wouldn't be using language like "MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS HURTFUL DETRIMENTAL BEHAVIOR." Would you say that if he had tried to commit suicide?

He hurts himself = crazy
He hurts us = not crazy

We're mad b/c his illness + platform allowed his illness to be on full display in a way that hurts us. When it impacts us, we change the narrative, but really, the drivers are the same. Do you see the disconnect?

He's not looking to be excused and I'm not excusing him (not that what I say matters). But there's important context here that doesn't include questioning his intellect -- again substitute the offensive rant for a suicide attempt.

Finally, NO ONE. Not a single person is saying that what he said isn't dangerous and shouldn't be loudly and vigorously opposed to (shouts to Van). That's not a question. That needs to happen, did happen, and is happening. BUT ALSO, he's sick and I hope he gets help.

THAT should be our posture.

But you kinda touched on that so we're good. I think we're mostly on the same page. It's a convoluted issue and obviously mental health isn't fully understood even by professionals, nevermind us here on a damn message board.

But yea. Looks like we're in agreement on everything haha. Just took us a few posts to get there.


>I hear you. I do.
>
>But mental illness doesn't make sense and he's certainly not
>looking to use it as a cop out. I think we have to be careful
>about downplaying how it can completely take over someone's
>life.
>
>No one *wants* to be ill.
>
>And ALSO... He's not looking for an excuse. AGAIN... if he had
>tried to kill himself vs. talking shit, his mental health
>would not be in question and we wouldn't be using language
>like "MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS HURTFUL DETRIMENTAL
>BEHAVIOR." Would you say that if he had tried to commit
>suicide?
>
>He hurts himself = crazy
>He hurts us = not crazy
>
>We're mad b/c his illness + platform allowed his illness to be
>on full display in a way that hurts us. When it impacts us,
>we change the narrative, but really, the drivers are the same.
>Do you see the disconnect?
>
>He's not looking to be excused and I'm not excusing him (not
>that what I say matters). But there's important context here
>that doesn't include questioning his intellect -- again
>substitute the offensive rant for a suicide attempt.
>
>Finally, NO ONE. Not a single person is saying that what he
>said isn't dangerous and shouldn't be loudly and vigorously
>opposed to (shouts to Van). That's not a question. That needs
>to happen, did happen, and is happening. BUT ALSO, he's sick
>and I hope he gets help.
>
>THAT should be our posture.

it seems to only apply when he is saying something we don’t like.

Same folks loving Ye on the right called him crazy when he bashed W.

Now that he is loving Trump it’s mental illness.

I truly believe he is a narcissist and maybe that’s a foorm if mental illness but I think dude is just so in love with his voice and ideas that he thinks he can’t be wrong because he has been winning for so long doing shit his way.

I think it was Terrance Howard who was babbling one time about creating his own language and cutting out plastic shapes. Dude sounded crazy as hell. A part of me just thinks celebs are batshit because they can surround themselves with yes men who won’t tell them shit is off.

One thing I definitely noticed tho is a lot of actors and entertainers suffer from bi polar disorder. I’m not a doctor but I always wondered why it’s so common in the industry? A theory is these folks become their persona and lose site of reality.

Like you said above tho, I’m not a doctor so I can’t say dude is mentally ill.

>it seems to only apply when he is saying something we don’t
>like.
>

It has generally been said -- even understood -- that he has mental health issues. We've certainly seen enough evidence of it. The Taylor Swift thing... George Bush... we largely laughed through it and it was (generally) accepted that there are some issues afoot. There has been plenty of discussion of it on this very board.

But now that this particular display of erratic behavior impacts *us* we want to change the narrative.

Now he's not crazy, he's stupid. He's a narcissist. All I'm saying is that all of that behavior we've witnessed over the years is caused by the same shit -- we're just mad now b/c he flung it at us.

It's
>Same folks loving Ye on the right called him crazy when he
>bashed W.
>
>Now that he is loving Trump it’s mental illness.
>
>I truly believe he is a narcissist and maybe that’s a foorm
>if mental illness but I think dude is just so in love with his
>voice and ideas that he thinks he can’t be wrong because he
>has been winning for so long doing shit his way.
>
>I think it was Terrance Howard who was babbling one time about
>creating his own language and cutting out plastic shapes. Dude
>sounded crazy as hell. A part of me just thinks celebs are
>batshit because they can surround themselves with yes men who
>won’t tell them shit is off.
>
>One thing I definitely noticed tho is a lot of actors and
>entertainers suffer from bi polar disorder. I’m not a doctor
>but I always wondered why it’s so common in the industry? A
>theory is these folks become their persona and lose site of
>reality.

It's not more common in that industry than it is in the general population. Those folks just have platforms, megaphones and incentives to talk about it. Us regular folks, don't.

>
>Like you said above tho, I’m not a doctor so I can’t say
>dude is mentally ill.

I'm not either but based on his behavior, his own pretty clear admissions and that of his wife/family, I'm pretty clear that there's a mental illness diagnosis.

>But now that this particular display of erratic behavior
>impacts *us* we want to change the narrative.
>
>Now he's not crazy, he's stupid. He's a narcissist. All I'm
>saying is that all of that behavior we've witnessed over the
>years is caused by the same shit -- we're just mad now b/c he
>flung it at us.

I remember a ton of folks, myself included, calling him a narcissist (maybe even stupid, but *definitely* a narcissist) following his prior transgressions, even when I agreed with him (the Bush thing, for ex.).

And while we can all agree that *something's* going on, and even as legs said "narcissism" itself may be a mental illness to an extent ... the fact is that we don't know the exact diagnosis so it's hard for me to buy that any of the narcissistic behavior, now or in the past, has been solely the result of whatever illness he may or may not suffer from. We can speculate but we just don't know. So all we can do is react to whatever he's giving us. And for the record I know that you're not saying that it *is* the sole reason for the behavior. Your points have been properly nuanced and I get what you're putting down.

And beyond that, didn't his wife, the person supposedly closest to him, come out and say he's in a good place mentally ? Like after the initial Trump stuff came out, on Twitter ? So while I wouldn't trust the Kardashians as far as I can throw them, we can only go off of what we know and see. And I just still don't totally buy that Kanye West suddenly became a Trump-supporting slavery truther solely because he's got some kind of mental condition. It's just as likely that he's just a regular old narcissistic, self-promoting, selfish, self-absorbed clown and isn't suffering from any mental issues at all right now. We don't know for sure either way.


>It's
>>Same folks loving Ye on the right called him crazy when he
>>bashed W.
>>
>>Now that he is loving Trump it’s mental illness.
>>
>>I truly believe he is a narcissist and maybe that’s a
>foorm
>>if mental illness but I think dude is just so in love with
>his
>>voice and ideas that he thinks he can’t be wrong because
>he
>>has been winning for so long doing shit his way.
>>
>>I think it was Terrance Howard who was babbling one time
>about
>>creating his own language and cutting out plastic shapes.
>Dude
>>sounded crazy as hell. A part of me just thinks celebs are
>>batshit because they can surround themselves with yes men
>who
>>won’t tell them shit is off.
>>
>>One thing I definitely noticed tho is a lot of actors and
>>entertainers suffer from bi polar disorder. I’m not a
>doctor
>>but I always wondered why it’s so common in the industry?
>A
>>theory is these folks become their persona and lose site of
>>reality.
>
>It's not more common in that industry than it is in the
>general population. Those folks just have platforms,
>megaphones and incentives to talk about it. Us regular folks,
>don't.
>
>>
>>Like you said above tho, I’m not a doctor so I can’t say
>>dude is mentally ill.
>
>I'm not either but based on his behavior, his own pretty clear
>admissions and that of his wife/family, I'm pretty clear that
>there's a mental illness diagnosis.

But that's fine. And OF COURSE we don't know an official diagnosis unless he or his family tell us but do you need to be in the room when Rape Kelly pees on a girl or do you follow alllll the breadcrumbs laid out over the years to know he's a predator?

C'mon.

AND... him being ____ has been a part of the narrative for a long while now... particularly since he had that breakdown 2 years ago.

C'mon.

IT WAS GENERALLY ACCEPTED/TALKED ABOUT/UNDERSTOOD that he has mental health issues because the clues were there. The cognitive dissonance on this is weird. Actually it's not. I take that back. I get how hard it is to make this type of behavior make sense. But what I'd like to have happen is for people to see past their anger and outrage over his despicable behavior and show some compassion for what I -- and I'd wager a gang of folks in this very post (though most won't admit it for their pearl clutching) -- believe is a pretty sick man.

My only motivation is to advocate for better understanding of, and empathy for people with, mental illness.

>But that's fine. And OF COURSE we don't know an official
>diagnosis unless he or his family tell us but do you need to
>be in the room when Rape Kelly pees on a girl or do you follow
>alllll the breadcrumbs laid out over the years to know he's a
>predator?

OK - but wait ... couldn't someone like yourself step in and say, "hey, come on, show some empathy, R Kelly clearly has mental issues that need to be dealt with, look at all the evidence over the years" ?! Just because HE never had a full on nervous breakdown or face his demons like Kanye did two years ago doesn't mean that *his* behavior can't be the result of mental issues, too. Right ?


>AND... him being ____ has been a part of the narrative for a
>long while now... particularly since he had that breakdown 2
>years ago.

Huh ? I thought you were saying the narrative HAS changed on him ? In which case you're kind of arguing against yourself here.


>IT WAS GENERALLY ACCEPTED/TALKED ABOUT/UNDERSTOOD that he has
>mental health issues because the clues were there. The
>cognitive dissonance on this is weird. Actually it's not. I
>take that back. I get how hard it is to make this type of
>behavior make sense. But what I'd like to have happen is for
>people to see past their anger and outrage over his despicable
>behavior and show some compassion for what I -- and I'd wager
>a gang of folks in this very post (though most won't admit it
>for their pearl clutching) -- believe is a pretty sick man.
>
>My only motivation is to advocate for better understanding of,
>and empathy for people with, mental illness.

I'm with you on that mission. Again, my wife suffers from mental illness and has since she was a child. So I've seen it firsthand, attended therapy, read about it endlessly. I'll still never understand it fully. Don't think any of us will. I share that mission and motivation with you.

But I'm *not* willing to use that mission to excuse inexcusable behavior that has massive negative implications for others, even if I find it sad that it's happening and that people have enabled folks like Kanye. It is sad. But like ... Trump is mentally ill too, isn't he ? Not diagnosed that we know of, but similar to Kanye he's shown PLENTY of evidence over the years, so should we show *him* endless compassion too ? Or can we be outraged and call him an asshole, because he is an asshole, with or without mental illness ? How much weight do you put on mental illness before you can be outraged ? Where do we draw the line ?

In the case of Kanye I agree that he’s exhibited poor behavior previously and showed signs of some kind of illness. He was simultaneously being an asshole and I think that was well established at the time. The perfect example being the Taylor Swift situation. Clearly his illness would make him think that behavior is OK. It was also kind of an asshole thing to do. But the collateral damage was minimal so most of us were able to kinda look past it like “oh that’s just Kanye”. Now, as you said, his behavior may effect others. Why can’t people be outraged ? When *can* we be ? Like at what point in the Kanye to Trump chasm are we allowed to trade our compassion for outrage ??

>>But that's fine. And OF COURSE we don't know an official
>>diagnosis unless he or his family tell us but do you need to
>>be in the room when Rape Kelly pees on a girl or do you
>follow
>>alllll the breadcrumbs laid out over the years to know he's
>a
>>predator?
>
>OK - but wait ... couldn't someone like yourself step in and
>say, "hey, come on, show some empathy, R Kelly clearly has
>mental issues that need to be dealt with, look at all the
>evidence over the years" ?! Just because HE never had a full
>on nervous breakdown or face his demons like Kanye did two
>years ago doesn't mean that *his* behavior can't be the result
>of mental issues, too. Right ?

Sigh. I was hoping I'd be able to skate by this (*shakes fist at you*). But...here goes. Here is where I, soulpsychodelicyde, raises her hand and admits that she has a blind spot when it comes to sexually predatory behavior. It is one of those behaviors for which I struggle to muster up any empathy at all and see the world in the darkest shades of black, and the brightest shades of white. Grays do not exist. It is a blind/weak spot for me and I own that.

I'll also say that predatory behavior doesn't automatically mean mental illness. But I digress... your point is well taken but yeah... it's a blindspot for me.
>
>
>>AND... him being ____ has been a part of the narrative for a
>>long while now... particularly since he had that breakdown 2
>>years ago.
>
>Huh ? I thought you were saying the narrative HAS changed on
>him ? In which case you're kind of arguing against yourself
>here.

I'm not. I'm saying that we've always said he's nuts/mentally ill. But the narrative changes when that behavior impacts us vs. him/themselves/someone we don't like.

Erratic behavior that DOESN'T impact us/we agree with = he's nuts
Erratic behavior that DOES impact us = he ain't crazy, them Kardashians got him, etc.

Again if this were a suicide attempt vs. a gross tirade WE WOULD HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT POSTURE and would be talking about how we hope he gets help.
>
>
>>IT WAS GENERALLY ACCEPTED/TALKED ABOUT/UNDERSTOOD that he
>has
>>mental health issues because the clues were there. The
>>cognitive dissonance on this is weird. Actually it's not. I
>>take that back. I get how hard it is to make this type of
>>behavior make sense. But what I'd like to have happen is for
>>people to see past their anger and outrage over his
>despicable
>>behavior and show some compassion for what I -- and I'd
>wager
>>a gang of folks in this very post (though most won't admit
>it
>>for their pearl clutching) -- believe is a pretty sick man.
>>
>>My only motivation is to advocate for better understanding
>of,
>>and empathy for people with, mental illness.
>
>I'm with you on that mission. Again, my wife suffers from
>mental illness and has since she was a child. So I've seen it
>firsthand, attended therapy, read about it endlessly. I'll
>still never understand it fully. Don't think any of us will. I
>share that mission and motivation with you.
>
>But I'm *not* willing to use that mission to excuse
>inexcusable behavior that has massive negative implications
>for others, even if I find it sad that it's happening and that
>people have enabled folks like Kanye. It is sad. But like ...
>Trump is mentally ill too, isn't he ? Not diagnosed that we
>know of, but similar to Kanye he's shown PLENTY of evidence
>over the years, so should we show *him* endless compassion too
>? Or should we be outraged at the fact that he's destroying
>the country specifically *because* he's been enabled, and is
>narcissistic, etc. ? Like how much weight do you put on mental
>illness before you can be outraged ? Where do we draw the line
>?

Who says I'm not outraged? Who says anything about excusing behavior? I think I was pretty clear that I was/am BIG mad and that he should be checked swiftly and clearly (shouts to Van...again). But I'm also truly sad that we're watching (what I believe to be) the mental breakdown of one of our truly great artists. I'd like for people to also feel sad and not just 'fuck Ye' about it. I have room to feel both on this issue. I wish others did, too.

... waaaaaiitttt a second. Haha.

>Sigh. I was hoping I'd be able to skate by this (*shakes fist
>at you*). But...here goes. Here is where I,
>soulpsychodelicyde, raises her hand and admits that she has a
>blind spot when it comes to sexually predatory behavior. It is
>one of those behaviors for which I struggle to muster up any
>empathy at all and see the world in the darkest shades of
>black, and the brightest shades of white. Grays do not exist.
>It is a blind/weak spot for me and I own that.
>
>I'll also say that predatory behavior doesn't automatically
>mean mental illness. But I digress... your point is well taken
>but yeah... it's a blindspot for me.

Anyway, I hear you ... we all have blind spots. Shit, maybe mental illness is one of mine to a certain extent ? At the very least I still have a lot to learn. So with that said, thank you for the discussion.

And of course predatory behavior doesn't automatically mean mental illness. Neither does ... well, really any behavior IMO.



>I'm not. I'm saying that we've always said he's nuts/mentally
>ill. But the narrative changes when that behavior impacts us
>vs. him/themselves/someone we don't like.

Word OK. I feel like that's kinda normal and natural right .. like people tend to only react to things that effect them ? Either way tho I get what you're saying now.


>Who says I'm not outraged? Who says anything about excusing
>behavior? I think I was pretty clear that I was/am BIG mad and
>that he should be checked swiftly and clearly (shouts to
>Van...again). But I'm also truly sad that we're watching (what
>I believe to be) the mental breakdown of one of our truly
>great artists. I'd like for people to also feel sad and not
>just 'fuck Ye' about it. I have room to feel both on this
>issue. I wish others did, too.

Got it. You have been clear, I've just been responding while simultaneously scrambling at work and at home to prepare for a trip so my bad for kinda overlooking when you said that at the beginning as we've gone on here.

Thanks for the discussion.

At least that’s what Black folks were thinking with the slow ass response and “helluva job Greenie” bullshit.

The Swift shit felt like it was staged.

The rest? Ionno... maybe he is touched.

I remember him saying folks thought he was off because he had confidence and thought he was the greatest and how it’s rare for Black men to have that type of confidence. I dug it at the time.

I’m not gonna spend too much time speaking on his mental state tho since I have no idea who he really is as a person.

I will say this tho. I have a good friend in the industry who is narcissistic as fuck and it’s basically what got him to the top. But he was annoying as shit and said hella crazy shit but he was the type who could convince a room full of people to get together to change the world with music.

So I can see what Double O was saying about genius but lacks the way to articulate their message.

Ye is wack for this tho.

there is no way I can listen to kanye talk for that long.

watch it later with me so I’ll have someone to argue with :-)

its over 1 and half hour of ye fake deepness with charlamagne correcting him and putting things in proper context and ye just shrugging and moving on lol.

>its over 1 and half hour of ye fake deepness with charlamagne
>correcting him and putting things in proper context and ye
>just shrugging and moving on lol.

volume was low so I couldn't hear it but Ye looked dumb

.

i wouldnt watch a 2 hr interview of jesus himself.

- They weren't playing Ye --one of the most famous people in the world-- on the radio, ever since the Taylor swift thing

- They had to wait until he left to rob Kim

- These fashion folks tongue-in-cheek called him 'nigger' when he was late to a show, even tho he was at MSG w/ like 16k fans.

- His mental breakdown kinda felt good, in a way. O_o


Edit: Up to 25 minutes now. Jay-Z hurt his feelings pretty badly, but that's big bro & he still got love.




Also, dude had completely lost whatever "street" there was on his accent.

>Also, dude had completely lost whatever "street" there was on
>his accent.

Because I guess I hadn't heard him speak in a while, but it does not sound like his voice at all.

he done get it

47:16 in and this is type painful

But then....smh....




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http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

i aint watching that shit.


and i logged in just so I could post my disgust.


Fuck Kanye.

'im in a hermes mindstate'. (or something like that)

'obama was like nike'.

Hermes mindstate

Don't know middle school history but can recite the entire Nike release calendar from memory.

fell asleep on the couch listening to it.

He's much better in short trolly tweets. He should stick to that.

He's mad Obama called him a jackass and didn't apologize.

He thinks, gleaned from his statements, that Obama didn't magically fix whatever issues exist in Chicago due in part to his actions.

He's mad Obama left after one of his performances and didn't speak to him.

Couple that with Kanye's ignorance of exact Trump policies that he agrees with and this is just one big public tantrum.

This whole thing is one big public therapy session for Kanye and it sucks to see him like this.

the perfect storm for him to idolize an idiot like trump without even knowing shit about him.

And mad that Jay and Kendrick got invited to the White House


I'm mad at myself for finding this and even madder for listening this long.



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Fuck aliens

-Warriorpoet415




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Jay and Bey, specifically, have that black excellence
photo with the Obamas.

Throw in the jackass comment, the love that Jay
and Bey are getting for their message lately...

Combine all that with sn insecure ego-driven
simpleton...

And here we are



>And mad that Jay and Kendrick got invited to the White House
>
>
>I'm mad at myself for finding this and even madder for
>listening this long.
>
>
>
>*************************************
>
>Fuck aliens
>
>-Warriorpoet415
>
>
>
>
>http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Going into the loony bin was a big life-changer for him, but he see’s it as a positive
.
He feels that the Taylor Swift comment hurt his brand and that his lock on radio went away because of it…life of Pablo didn’t do as well as he thought.

He’s cool with people like Virgil moving on but acknowledges that much of these corporations wouldn’t work with him directly but will take his people.

Adidas Yeezy clothes don’t exist because like above, a pending deal with Hermes got cancelled at the last minute and as a result and locked him into only making sneakers for Adidas.

Lots of grandiose Kanye talk about him being the GOAT of all GOAT’s.

Obama really hurt him with the ‘jackass’ comment’. Apparently approached Kanye and his momma when he was gonna run saying he was his favorite artist so the jab and subsequent ghosting hurt.

He’s on that pre-woke Pharrell ‘new black’ stuff. Says that all the slavery movie/references stuff is basically white people brainwashing us, specifically calls out Harriet Tubman on the 20 dollar bill.

Whenever he’s asked about MAGA you could tell he really has no clue. His strongest statement was in the last ten minutes of the video where Charlamagne asked him straight out, he looked lost and couldn’t give an answer or like five minutes (imagine how dumb you gotta be for Charlamagne to get you in a corner? LOL), and Charlamagne had to assist with a ‘You like him cause he’s was a disrupter with getting elected, not with the presidency’ to which Kanye agreed with.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=s_M4LkYra5k


*deep sigh*

Oh boy.

Fuck him. I hate him.

-

Dumb as hell with just about everything else, look at Ben Carson.

that's some dangerous ground proceed on. I know one should separate someone's art from their political views, but I'm officially done with this dude. I suppose it's somewhat easy to take that stance as he's been getting worse and worse with each release for the last five or so years, but that's a pretty unforgivable statement to make anyway you slice it.

yo no more

i won't watch the (whole) interview....saw the first minute

no more for me

... the fact that he's doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on this bullshit rather than practicing some humility, and listening to others' concerns ....... man fuck this fucking clown. He's legit one of the dumbest people in show biz and acts so superior to any and everyone.

Fuck him.


>that's some dangerous ground proceed on. I know one should
>separate someone's art from their political views, but I'm
>officially done with this dude. I suppose it's somewhat easy
>to take that stance as he's been getting worse and worse with
>each release for the last five or so years, but that's a
>pretty unforgivable statement to make anyway you slice it.

for a lot of us who never lived through times where blatant virtriolic racism was socially acceptable (like jim crow)...the election of donald trump was *traumatic*.

i know people who literally broke down and cried. not that hillary lost. but that donald trump won. and that there were actually enough people who voted for him. someone who represented the human embodiment of the fears of a lot of marginalized people in our country.

following a president who (we thought) represented a clearing of a lot of those hurdles.

it felt like an old evil was unearthed again (even though it was clearly present the whole time).

and everything that donald trump has done since has exemplified his disdain for black people. his comments, his hirings, his policies, his taking credit for the accomplishments of a black president while blaming his failures on him, etc.

kanye seems to think this was the perfect opportunity to rub our face in our perfectly justified agony and tell *us* that we are living in the past. nigga this is the *now*.

i genuinely hate this nigga.

To be trolling.

This isnt some genius marketing ploy or some
Man on the Moon shit.

Hes just a privelaged, insecure, jealous, far
removed, idiot.

Fuck him.

Well said.

great post

https://i.imgur.com/v02KoZd.gif

I never really liked his personality but I never thought I would see Kanye in a MAGA hat. Also, I think his music blows now.

I don't agree with siding with Trump at all, but ultimately he perfectly entitled to his views on politics. Saying 400 years of slavery was a choice on the other hand is a complete disrespect to the murder, plunder, and literal bloodshed that occurred before, during, and after the entirety of the US slave trade.

That's not something I can stand for, even if dude is trolling just for attention's sake.

the whole idea of not wanting to work on shit through therapy is a giant red flag

dude is running from his shit and its painfully obvious.


I dont think he's stupid.

His perspective is...interesting. He thinks in top level metaphors. Its like hes thinking on another level and I don't mean that in a good or bad way. Hes just out there.

edit: He is also pretentious as all fuck. I'm not watching, I'm listening and he sounds like I'm listening to the head curator for the guggenheim having a conversation with Matthew Barney.

We don't have to overthink this one.

dude has always been an asshole but he made good music

but now?

music ain't even that good and he has that stupid voice.

I want to blame the Kardashians..lol. Odom almost died, Bruce changed into a woman and Kanye changed into a white man.

its like if Wendy Williams suddenly went full Oprah

hes actually a very capable interviewer. pushes back and challenges the interviewee when a lot of people would let them skate. and just generally knowledgeable about a pretty broad range of subjects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQBcpvBY6xg

i'm ROLLING

https://twitter.com/ElliottWilson/status/991401201156673537

this is really embarassing.

Then he laughed.

Props to the TMZ dudes for 2 things: (1) not reactively laughing along with him, because nothing about that ignorant, simple-minded bullshit is funny, and (2) not snapping at him for being a moronic piece of shit.

and at the same time, a reminder of the historical wounds.

he also called ye a genius...but yeah, glad he did what was necessary

30 minutes later seen there's no convincin' him

Ye been needed dat. Sun calmly-yet-surjically Uncle'd'eem up.


Its always good to have OG's around you that will hold a mirror up
to you on some, "I love you Bruh, but dis shit here? You fuckin up right now my dude and Ima tell you why:_____________"

It must've been recorded yesterday bc CthaGod calls in and talks about watching the Avengers movie and his interview before it was released.

Either way, he said Ye's dangerous and needs to be ignored at this point. I wonder if he'll stick to his guns if Ye offers to come on his podcast though...

That many of you havent watched the video but in here still talking crap.
sounding just as crazy as you’re claiming him to be lol

so wack
we family tho...

I’mma watch later and be back

Then I'm not willing to sit for an hour and watch him try and talk in circles to justify that fuck shit.

Outside of shock value it's nothing to gain from it.

If they wont be honest with you about how shockingly
naive you are being.

Everyone is literally responding to his words
and actions. There is not more to the story.

You say you arent a Ye stan, so what is it? You
think pop stars are geniuses and/or royalty?

You think the guy who needs john legend to
break down simple history is some kind of
genius? Lol

I know youre older than 20, cmon.

Ye’s idiocy is dangerous- theres no more to the story.

Look. It has nothing to do with Kanye as it is my desire to understand a perspective that differs from mine. It's all over the news and I wanna see what's all the fuss is about. Why niggas trippin' you're assuming because I'm not calling for his head that I agree with him. nah, thats not the case. I can listen without reacting. I'm fair...

Kanye problem is he isn't articulating himself well...

Like, he really on some Jesus shit lol

That’s part of the problem.

and dominant.

She always been like this

and i like her. but some of these replies...

but you know...

She old school.

*rolls eyes**

That hurts :-(

some of your reactions to kanye, trump, etc genuinely perplex me.

but i know you aint coming from a place of malice.

I don’t have the energy to complain about trump anymore and I suppose I’ll get there with Kanye. Kanye is “new news” that’s the only reason why I’m involved in the discussion.

"Slavery was a choice?"

that was a joke

but Trin...please stop wit the ditzy-blonde thing

Nobody needs to watch an hour and 45 min of that train wreck to call it a train wreck.

>sounding just as crazy as you’re claiming him to be lol
>


Specific quotes, please

How long can someone talk incoherently, without focus, in circles, about alternative facts and people still listen?

I'm 38 and don't have enough time left on this earth to give someone like that. Too many things I want to do.....listening to Kanye isn't one of them.

Jesus he's an idiot.

The question was about HIS mental state though?

I mean how could it NOT affect him? Not contribute to his hospitalization? The mere thought that he couldn't protect his wife? That he left too early.. that he blames himself...

That is literally what any one in that situation would think...

Not when directly asked about his mental state.

Those thugs planned all that shit out, but had to wait until Kanye left town to go get that money. lol.

Kanye was gonna do something... the question is what?

i called dude a coon before and said it would most likely get worse.

i still wasnt expecting this.

and it most likely will continue to get even worse.

im honestly judging any black artist that works with him at this point.

hopefully dude gets whatever he wants outta this promo push then releases his shitty 7 song album and just drops off the face of the earth.

go broke?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://i.imgur.com/rxY4Ei5.gif

.

I'm legit LOLing.

Thought it was dope..

Ye isnt crazy... This is a lot more clear headed than he has presented himself in interviews in a long time.

he is an Artist... through and through...

as he said artists are HSP - Highly Sensitive People

His big issue will forever be with communication of his ideas.... I dont listen to Ye LITERALLY I am translating his points as he says them. I think he uses the wrong words to describe a lot of things and it fucks with people.

He sees cracks in the system... He wants to fix them.. He has a innate need to do so.

The Trump thing is a bit more weird in context because literally everything he is saying is it is opposed to that...

other than Trump proved the exception to the rule that he can say "See you can break the matrix"

I mean he literally said he wanted Bernie Sanders principles with Trumps

NOT TOUCHING THAT TMZ SHIT THOUGH... LOL

You thought that was dope and clear headed ?

Do you deal with artists daily?

I do...

I've already stated before for Art to exist at the scale that it does the artist/visionary HAS to be delusional.. you HAVE to believe that the shit you make is worthy of mass consumption..

I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..

as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...

Someone walks in a has a feeling or a kernel of an idea they want to get out. They want something to "feel warm" they want a single sound to "be luxurious" or a 2d image to "have texture".

You may never actually understand the way an artist perceives the world. Your job is simply to enjoy the distillation of an idea.. but for that shit to be distilled is a monumental task of translation everytime..

He talks exactly like an artist... so again.. I translate..

I am not looking for Ye to save the world (he can't) as I stated in another post the artist mind and the grounded political one do not see eye to eye often

>Do you deal with artists daily?
>
>I do...
>
>I've already stated before for Art to exist at the scale that
>it does the artist/visionary HAS to be delusional.. you HAVE
>to believe that the shit you make is worthy of mass
>consumption..
>
>I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..
>
>as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...


i thought the primary job of a producer was making good music, care to recap what happened since that good KITH album (2008) ?

>Do you deal with artists daily?

No

>I do...

>I've already stated before for Art to exist at the scale that
>it does the artist/visionary HAS to be delusional.. you HAVE
>to believe that the shit you make is worthy of mass
>consumption..
>

I disagree, it sounds like you are selling the artist short.

>I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..
>
>as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...
>

"Translate" come on it sounds like you are making up an excuse to give him a pass when he says something stupid.

>Someone walks in a has a feeling or a kernel of an idea they
>want to get out. They want something to "feel warm" they want
>a single sound to "be luxurious" or a 2d image to "have
>texture".
>

So he is always on ? He is never anything more than an artist in the booth 24/7, no matter what he is doing. If he orders food, watch the news, go to sleep, it's all the same as walking in.

>You may never actually understand the way an artist perceives
>the world. Your job is simply to enjoy the distillation of an
>idea.. but for that shit to be distilled is a monumental task
>of translation everytime..
>

Would this extend to artist who disagree with what you just typed ? If another artist or producer told you that Ye interview was not dope or clear headed, would you say they don't understand ?

>He talks exactly like an artist... so again.. I translate..
>

Nah you are looking the other way.

>I am not looking for Ye to save the world (he can't) as I
>stated in another post the artist mind and the grounded
>political one do not see eye to eye often
>
>

Nobody has to save the world to be honest. If Ye was clear headed he wouldn't need you to translate or Charlamagne to help him answer.

>>
>
>I disagree, it sounds like you are selling the artist short.

How so? I've watched producers and songwriters say they are therapists.... In the language of creativity there is A LOT of translating and use of flowery and sometimes confusing language to do so. Thats just the way it is

>
>>I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..
>>
>>as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...
>>
>
>"Translate" come on it sounds like you are making up an excuse
>to give him a pass when he says something stupid.
>
>>Someone walks in a has a feeling or a kernel of an idea they
>>want to get out. They want something to "feel warm" they
>want
>>a single sound to "be luxurious" or a 2d image to "have
>>texture".
>>
>
>So he is always on ? He is never anything more than an artist
>in the booth 24/7, no matter what he is doing. If he orders
>food, watch the news, go to sleep, it's all the same as
>walking in.

Yes.

All input is necessary for art...

There is a spectrum of artist(s). On one extreme you have people who are PURE ART (that homeless person who sings like an angel) and on the other is the "BUSINESS MAAAAANN" (someone not as talented but can hack through the game)

All artists fall on this spectrum somewhere... most battle somewhere in the middle.. But our favorites often bend a little towards PURE ART.

How many posts in these forums are on some "When is so and so gonna drop an album again, Why doesnt so and so stick to the shit I like from them" We WANT them to be more "Business MAAAAANNN" but no they are not.

>
>Would this extend to artist who disagree with what you just
>typed ? If another artist or producer told you that Ye
>interview was not dope or clear headed, would you say they
>don't understand ?

No.. because I know that there are probably trigger words and or shit that Ye has already done that will color their view of the video same as anyone else.


>>
>
>Nobody has to save the world to be honest. If Ye was clear
>headed he wouldn't need you to translate or Charlamagne to
>help him answer.
>

I didnt see him helping but here is what he learned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ng7XrIFaqk

>
>>>
>>
>>I disagree, it sounds like you are selling the artist short.
>
>
>How so? I've watched producers and songwriters say they are
>therapists.... In the language of creativity there is A LOT of
>translating and use of flowery and sometimes confusing
>language to do so. Thats just the way it is
>

You sell the artist short when you say they have to be "delusional" to believe what they make is "worthy" of mass consumption. It suggests how dare they believe they are good. Artist who speak bs to express an idea are not delusional, they are just talented and can't communicate. Producers who translate bs are not therapist, they are just bs detectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgoB2JMEowc Artist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDzNA39Vvc&feature=youtu.be&t=17s

Smitty Producer

>>>I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..
>>>
>>>as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...
>>>
>>
>>"Translate" come on it sounds like you are making up an
>excuse
>>to give him a pass when he says something stupid.
>>
>>>Someone walks in a has a feeling or a kernel of an idea
>they
>>>want to get out. They want something to "feel warm" they
>>want
>>>a single sound to "be luxurious" or a 2d image to "have
>>>texture".
>>>
>>
>>So he is always on ? He is never anything more than an
>artist
>>in the booth 24/7, no matter what he is doing. If he orders
>>food, watch the news, go to sleep, it's all the same as
>>walking in.
>
>Yes.
>
>All input is necessary for art...
>
>There is a spectrum of artist(s). On one extreme you have
>people who are PURE ART (that homeless person who sings like
>an angel) and on the other is the "BUSINESS MAAAAANN" (someone
>not as talented but can hack through the game)
>

Kanye doesn't sound like he is anywhere near the pure art end.

>All artists fall on this spectrum somewhere... most battle
>somewhere in the middle.. But our favorites often bend a
>little towards PURE ART.
>

Kanye is not in the middle either.

>How many posts in these forums are on some "When is so and so
>gonna drop an album again, Why doesnt so and so stick to the
>shit I like from them" We WANT them to be more "Business
>MAAAAANNN" but no they are not.
>

No I don't believe saying when will they drop a new album or why don't they stick to what we like, means we want them to be more business. It just means we don't want them to take chances and experiment or take too long to put something else out. If we wanted more business man we would buy any and everything they do.

>>Would this extend to artist who disagree with what you just
>>typed ? If another artist or producer told you that Ye
>>interview was not dope or clear headed, would you say they
>>don't understand ?
>
>No.. because I know that there are probably trigger words and
>or shit that Ye has already done that will color their view of
>the video same as anyone else.
>
>

Sounds like your view is from a rose colored glasses perspective. If someone says this interview was not dope, you say they are not an artist, if they are an artist and say this interview is not clear headed you say Kanye has already made them bias against him. Sounds like everybody is wrong except you and Kanye when it comes to calling this interview dope and clear headed.

>>
>>Nobody has to save the world to be honest. If Ye was clear
>>headed he wouldn't need you to translate or Charlamagne to
>>help him answer.
>>
>
>I didnt see him helping but here is what he learned
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ng7XrIFaqk
>

Yeah he was helping him all through the interview and Levin helped in the TMZ interview.

Charlamagne learned something that's been obvious for years.

a producer. That's pretty cool.

what drives me crazy is people throwing out the "he's an artist" like that shit is a get out of jail free card for all the dumb shit he says. Specifically when he is saying this shit outside of his art. Then I just got to treat him like a supercoon with a terrible opinion.



>
>>>
>>
>>I disagree, it sounds like you are selling the artist short.
>
>
>How so? I've watched producers and songwriters say they are
>therapists.... In the language of creativity there is A LOT of
>translating and use of flowery and sometimes confusing
>language to do so. Thats just the way it is
>
>>
>>>I stated that I translate Ye as he is talking..
>>>
>>>as a producer that is LITERALLY MY JOB...
>>>
>>
>>"Translate" come on it sounds like you are making up an
>excuse
>>to give him a pass when he says something stupid.
>>
>>>Someone walks in a has a feeling or a kernel of an idea
>they
>>>want to get out. They want something to "feel warm" they
>>want
>>>a single sound to "be luxurious" or a 2d image to "have
>>>texture".
>>>
>>
>>So he is always on ? He is never anything more than an
>artist
>>in the booth 24/7, no matter what he is doing. If he orders
>>food, watch the news, go to sleep, it's all the same as
>>walking in.
>
>Yes.
>
>All input is necessary for art...
>
>There is a spectrum of artist(s). On one extreme you have
>people who are PURE ART (that homeless person who sings like
>an angel) and on the other is the "BUSINESS MAAAAANN" (someone
>not as talented but can hack through the game)
>
>All artists fall on this spectrum somewhere... most battle
>somewhere in the middle.. But our favorites often bend a
>little towards PURE ART.
>
>How many posts in these forums are on some "When is so and so
>gonna drop an album again, Why doesnt so and so stick to the
>shit I like from them" We WANT them to be more "Business
>MAAAAANNN" but no they are not.
>
>>
>>Would this extend to artist who disagree with what you just
>>typed ? If another artist or producer told you that Ye
>>interview was not dope or clear headed, would you say they
>>don't understand ?
>
>No.. because I know that there are probably trigger words and
>or shit that Ye has already done that will color their view of
>the video same as anyone else.
>
>
>>>
>>
>>Nobody has to save the world to be honest. If Ye was clear
>>headed he wouldn't need you to translate or Charlamagne to
>>help him answer.
>>
>
>I didnt see him helping but here is what he learned
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ng7XrIFaqk
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

nah..

I aint riding with that TMZ shit AT ALL (glad dude checked him)

I was just explaining why I liked the interview... imo there was insight into his thought process now...

mind you this interview was BEFORE he posted about Candace and all the trump shit AND this TMZ shit obviously..

But its a fine line

>mind you this interview was BEFORE he posted about Candace and
>all the trump shit AND this TMZ shit obviously..

most of us are reacting to things in the order that weve been exposed to them.

i wonder what took them so long to release it.

Editing?

This IS Kanye we are talking about.. lol

>His big issue will forever be with communication of his
>ideas.... I dont listen to Ye LITERALLY I am translating his
>points as he says them. I think he uses the wrong words to
>describe a lot of things and it fucks with people.

So someone completely inarticulate ala Oswald Bates?
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ROOi5xagxg

>He sees cracks in the system... He wants to fix them.. He has
>a innate need to do so.
>
>The Trump thing is a bit more weird in context because
>literally everything he is saying is it is opposed to that...
>
>other than Trump proved the exception to the rule that he can
>say "See you can break the matrix"
>
>I mean he literally said he wanted Bernie Sanders principles
>with Trumps

Let me ask again - insane or stupid? Because
cognitive dissonance can only go so far as a defense.

>>His big issue will forever be with communication of his
>>ideas.... I dont listen to Ye LITERALLY I am translating his
>>points as he says them. I think he uses the wrong words to
>>describe a lot of things and it fucks with people.
>
>So someone completely inarticulate ala Oswald Bates?
>Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ROOi5xagxg
>

I dont see anything he said as inarticulate really... can you reference something that made completely no sense (In the interview)

>
>Let me ask again - insane or stupid?

neither ... I think Kanye is trying to process ideas that have been much better distilled by books like Steven Pressfields - War Of Art, Yuval Harari's - Sapiens and George Lakoff - Metaphors We Live By and a ton of others

They are really large ideas about how people interact and how society is shaped. They have literally NOTHING to do with everyday life and are very High Brow.

Someone made the point above.. Ye talks like a gallery owner.. do we consider those people stupid though?

>
>neither ... I think Kanye is trying to process ideas that have
>been much better distilled by books like Steven Pressfields -
>War Of Art, Yuval Harari's - Sapiens and George Lakoff -
>Metaphors We Live By and a ton of others

You say he's deep. I'm saying he's not - and he's stupid. (Remember - he says we can't call into question of he's having a breakdown or other mental health challenges - I'd go with manic.)

>They are really large ideas about how people interact and how
>society is shaped. They have literally NOTHING to do with
>everyday life and are very High Brow.

Yeah, scoop de poop was too high brow for me. BIG IDEAS.


>Someone made the point above.. Ye talks like a gallery owner..
>do we consider those people stupid though?

Many of them, yes. Especially when they are inarticulate and saying stupid things.

In the end shit dont matter..

He shot himself in the foot on TMZ... so whatever insight the interview couldve had

it's

a

wrap

yes, trash this whole shit you wrote.

as fake deep as Ye's nonsense.

this idea you continue to allude to, of "this" art and artist, is directly tied to capital and patriarchy: literally reenacts the ways those two systems and social identities exist in reality.

your framing, articulation, and "selling" of artist as these tortured souls lost in translation: be it Dali or Pollock, or James Brown, or Miles, or Hemingway or Faulkner or Kanye, is bullshit. They are highly creative / "genius" producers, who are shitty people.

Creative people who are given passes on their terrible ideas of life on earth, and their shitty behavior, 'cause they've made a "thing," literally an object in the capitalist economy that is deemed worthy, it is wack.

he don't see shit. ain't no cracks in the "matrix" he see, that a 15 year from Compton don't. FOH.

also nice attempt at infantilizing the poster above with that "have do you work with artist" NO, literally no human has ever been around, attempted to, lived with, feel in love with, attempted to be, or god forbid actually teaches artist, in the world, ever. like what kinda fucn pompous ass position is that.

cool breh, you work in the industry. don't give you unchecked privilege to frame fuccshit as anything but what it is... bull.shit.

>yes, trash this whole shit you wrote.
>
>as fake deep as Ye's nonsense.
>
>this idea you continue to allude to, of "this" art and artist,
>is directly tied to capital and patriarchy: literally reenacts
>the ways those two systems and social identities exist in
>reality.
>
This is where we are... most people are mad becaus he is not participating in said capitalist system as they want him to. They want product for consumption that they deem worthwhile. No one cares otherwise.... thats why yall niggas let r kelly cook for a decade... doing actual disgusting fucked up shit.

>your framing, articulation, and "selling" of artist as these
>tortured souls lost in translation: be it Dali or Pollock, or
>James Brown, or Miles, or Hemingway or Faulkner or Kanye, is
>bullshit. They are highly creative / "genius" producers, who
>are shitty people.
>
Being and shitty person is being a shitty person.. I am not making an excuse for shitty behavior. We are talking about one dudes opinion.. it has affected no ones daily life and it ultimately wont. It won't lead to policy

>Creative people who are given passes on their terrible ideas
>of life on earth, and their shitty behavior, 'cause they've
>made a "thing," literally an object in the capitalist economy
>that is deemed worthy, it is wack.
>

Blame Adam Smith G.... also see above

>he don't see shit. ain't no cracks in the "matrix" he see,
>that a 15 year from Compton don't. FOH.
>
What he cares about is totally irrelevant to most people in the world.. we can agree on that. But thats HIS mission.. let him cook it wont affect you either way... same way an astronomer discovering a new galaxy means literally nothing to a kid in hood tryna eat and get home safe.

>also nice attempt at infantilizing the poster above with that
>"have do you work with artist" NO, literally no human has ever
>been around, attempted to, lived with, feel in love with,
>attempted to be, or god forbid actually teaches artist, in the
>world, ever. like what kinda fucn pompous ass position is
>that.
>
i was simply talking about the translation. I am not a school psychologist.. I cannot view years of behavior in elementary school and offer a proper translation of whats going on..

>cool breh, you work in the industry. don't give you unchecked
>privilege to frame fuccshit as anything but what it is...
>bull.shit.

Upenn FTW

"...that they deem worthwhile." People want him to stop saying stupid, uninformed shit. I particularly want him to stop saying stupid, uninformed shit and trying to pass it off as the result of him being a "free thinker" or whatever buzzword he's latched on to.

I've been a journalist for a long while now, and I've been talking to and interviewing rappers for over half my life. Which means I can tell the deep-thinkers from the bullshit artists from the guys who are just talking out of their ass, convinced that they are deep. Kanye falls into the latter two categories. I could tell when I interviewed him back in 2003. He just made better music back then.

He's not a deep, misunderstood genius who has trouble expressing his thoughts. He's dumb and uninformed and convinced of his own non-existent brilliance.

>"...that they deem worthwhile." People want him to stop
>saying stupid, uninformed shit. I particularly want him to
>stop saying stupid, uninformed shit and trying to pass it off
>as the result of him being a "free thinker" or whatever
>buzzword he's latched on to.
>
How many people have you seen say during these last 2 weeks.. MAN the next album better be FIYAAAAHH

>I've been a journalist for a long while now, and I've been
>talking to and interviewing rappers for over half my life.
>Which means I can tell the deep-thinkers from the bullshit
>artists from the guys who are just talking out of their ass,
>convinced that they are deep. Kanye falls into the latter two
>categories. I could tell when I interviewed him back in 2003.
>He just made better music back then.
>
>He's not a deep, misunderstood genius who has trouble
>expressing his thoughts. He's dumb and uninformed and
>convinced of his own non-existent brilliance.

I never said he was some deep misunderstood genius... I said he was wrestling to express ideas already touched in multiple books. What he is trying to express isn't new and he is barely scratching the surface or understanding the nuances of the subject matter.

Ye was never the best producer, best rapper, best business man or best stylist... best reader.. He might be one of the best curators of ideas though.

And really he is the KING of pulling the USB out at 65% upload and be like this is enough lets go.. Like a human beta test

End of the day... all the shit we say we hate now existed in that same interview you did in 03

>Being and shitty person is being a shitty person.. I am not
>making an excuse for shitty behavior. We are talking about
>one dudes opinion.. it has affected no ones daily life and it
>ultimately wont. It won't lead to policy

Maybe not directly but people are generally pretty stupid. Many of his millions of followers will be influenced by this bullshit and you never know what kind of effect those followers/numbers could have on midterm elections, 2020, etc. It may not *directly* lead to policy but indirectly it could have a vast impact. To think otherwise is to underestimate groupthink.

>Maybe not directly but people are generally pretty stupid.
>Many of his millions of followers will be influenced by this
>bullshit and you never know what kind of effect those
>followers/numbers could have on midterm elections, 2020, etc.
>It may not *directly* lead to policy but indirectly it could
>have a vast impact. To think otherwise is to underestimate
>groupthink.

Oh I don't underestimate groupthink at all.. But the fan base of someone that big is so segmented none of them have aligning views outside of liking Kanye.

Sure a few could be swayed.... but he also hasn't given them a directive outside of "free thought"

>Sure a few could be swayed.... but he also hasn't given them a
>directive outside of "free thought"

People are stupid and impressionable. So they see a black dude wearing a MAGA hat and praising Trump ... that shit may be all a lot of them need to swing them to becoming Trump voters in 2020 ... or more imminently, Repug voters in the midterms later this year in their respective states.

That's bad. Very bad.

I don't think the situation is that dire...

Anecdotally I have not seen anyone "come around" to Trump since this whole twitter fiasco started last week.

... before and after. I don't think you're gonna peripherally be able to notice a person's progression from "just a Kanye fan" to "white supremacist" just by scrolling Twitter.

totally agree

would disagree. They are producers too. They work with artists. Kanye is incoherent and unstable.

You are not making a good case for him.

>RE: I 'm sure 9th Wonder and Questlove
>would disagree. They are producers too. They work with
>artists. Kanye is incoherent and unstable.
>
>You are not making a good case for him.

Unstable sure... but thats the life

Incoherent nah.. we know exactly what he is saying.. we just dont like or want it.

His thoughts are sprawling and stream-of-conscience and largely random and surface level. There's nothing coherent about any of it.

That sounds like a choice to me.

He seemingly thinks that the world wearing his clothing and copying his style is an indicator of design success instead of his pop cultural influence.

Are people really lining up to look 7 11 ready? Is he using Simplicity patterns? For $300-600 I want kente style sweatpants that offset my carbon footprint, not some damn cotton emblazoned with calabasas that any student could whip up. I'm sure he works hard on it, but its like macaroni art at the louvre.

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it was a fucking slog to get through and Kanye was cringeworthy and I had to stop to take a breather several times

but

the overall format and the way it ended was beautiful

this is more about Charlemagne and less about Kanye

Props to the god for this.

And NEVER had a real answer about Drump.

CTG gets maaaaaaaaaaaaajor props for how he handled this




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that demanded more than a canned reply. he couldnt think past the surface.

>that demanded more than a canned reply. he couldnt think
>past the surface.


^^^^^this

I have the theory that his thoughts are like icebergs but hes only able to describe small parts of his ideas.

its not stupidity but an inability to articulate thoughts in a concise manner

Exactly.

I get it because I have the same issue.
there was a time in my life that i responded by hitting you...

He seems very measured with his responses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam\'s_razor

Ummm...how do I keep the charade going? He just asked me what is it I like about Trump...ummm..ummm.."

You like popsicles Charlamagne? Trumps ideas are like popsicles..not the freeze pop ones, but like the bomb pop ones, that you could get from the candy lady....see..the candy lady was like the Giveechi of the neighborhood...and she has a factory in a remote island, and because of her influence, we had PNB clothing. So without Trump, we never woulda had Please No Bacon or Post No Bills clothes...because Jay didnt come to my wedding..





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and those pauses had me checking my iphone to make sure it was still working, lol

.
.

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

He tossed softballs and gave Ye help.

threads about this attention whore on the first page are acceptable

the sad state of okayplayer in 2018 in a nutshell

.
.

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

make this a 24/7 art piece alla shia lebouf

dat 405 fwy Lambo chase gon be lit tho

that he can give away when a disaster strikes

...within 5-10 years

https://youtu.be/zxwfDlhJIpw?t=5062

*blink*

i mean its 2018 so why not...

https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/991469936219443200

i watched/listened to about 40 mins of the CM interview. shit was a snooze fest.

he clearly needs therapy.

this is hilariously dumb. The deflecting and talking in circles.

The closest thing I can think of is that Joaquin Phoenix stunt documentary. This is that.

https://twitter.com/JustRyCole/status/991467000453971968

don't scream cuz it makes us 'look bad'.

Ye is dumb and dumber.

that wack ass white voice. Dude has to work to remember to use it and thinks it makes his words sound more intelligent.

FOH nigga.

makes beats and STFU

But yeah he crazy
either that or feelin himself way too much now

and that may very well be what it is..

but it also comes across like they reprogrammed this nigga with the Maga 2.0 chip.

wouldn't be surprised if he was crying while saying "ewwe strawberry's" like Brittany Spears

https://youtu.be/DMpguv7st7s?t=58s

The way he talks, the way he views the world, how lonely he seems, how he talks about not being able to trust anyone, etc.

I'm guessing his "craziness" comes from (in large part) a complete disconnect with anything outside of his bubble, bad influences, depression and a natural predilection for outside-the-box thinking.

Not trying to cop pleas for him, just saying that I think this dude is lost out on an island mentally right now, talking to a pair of yeezys with hand prints on them.

I can't see anyone wanting so much success it sucks the life out of them or has them trapped in a bubble.

don't get me wrong, the money is great, the fame is blehh but some folks need it..

but I really wonder if some of these folks on that Sammy Sosa. Being Black and successful isn't enough? You gotta talk white and adopt that self hate? Did the Koch brothers pay his debts and buy him off? WTF

>Did the Koch brothers pay his debts
>and buy him off? WTF

You may be on to something here.

and I think Ye being "broke" ain't really broke.

but I could definitely see the label floating him or one of these rich white billionaires throwing him a few dollars.

im almost sure some right wing billionaires *now* are trying to elbow their way closer to him to coordinate the message/agenda. or at least funding/influencing candace owens/charlie kirk/tpusa as a middleman.

while encouraging him to spread right wing messaging in the black church.

beyond music and 'well...it's Kanye...you know how he is...those beats tho'


some may come back...but alot.....man alot....

i don't see happening


someone put out there that it will be real interesting a month from now between Nas's release and Ye's to see how the people respond

i don't think it will go well for either...

definitely not how they think


that goofy artsy/complex/free thinking plane ain't flyin

thats pretty much his entire fanbase.

i think he will prolly have good 1st week sales/streams just because people flock to controversy and itll be heavily promoted by tmz, complex, kardashians, etc. but the mediocrity of the album will set in and the cycle of interest in the album will prolly fall off sharply. i could see them pulling out of any plans for a tour.

it says a lot that comments/tweets generated much more coverage/conversation than the release of an actual song (ye vs...). i dont think a lot of people are really into ye musically that much anymore so its not that hard for them to cut him off.

this happened:

https://theknockturnal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/kanye-crowd.jpg


it's America too, if that album bangs folks won't care. WE will still hate what he has become but America will shrug and play that shit.

and the behavior it emboldens.

that an entertainer can overtly shit on black people and be financially rewarded despite/because of it (by black people nonetheless).

The America experiment continues...

Think that may be the point of this whole time... to remind folks..

The arrow of time might move in one direction... but progress doesn't and it's an everyday battle to keep it from slipping

I used to be a big fan of his music but I didn't even really listen to the last album, and I won't listen to this one.

Ye will be fine too

rap fans still mostly care about the music.

Ye's tour might take a hit tho...

and what is a 'rap fan' in 2018 exactly....

describe them

the people were fucking with it and the tour got rave reviews.

and the tour was canceled mid-run supposedly due to the trump comments and the mental breakdown (which masked lackluster sales/pricing).

he made a shitload off merch/apparel tho which seems to be his most consistently viable hustle lately.

reviews
https://www.google.com/search?q=live+of+pablo+tour+review&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS784US784&oq=live+of+pablo+tour+review&aqs=chrome..69i57.4274j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

as for the singles, could've fooled me. FSMH was everywhere for one.

>reviews
>https://www.google.com/search?q=live+of+pablo+tour+review&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS784US784&oq=live+of+pablo+tour+review&aqs=chrome..69i57.4274j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>
>as for the singles, could've fooled me. FSMH was everywhere
>for one.

Point being...if an artist is going to be around for a long long time I expect some shitty albums.

I'm sure James Brown has some terrible shit out there as well as Bob Dylan, Aretha, etc

comes with the territory.

Have we had a rapper with a long career put out brilliant albums then shitty albums then more good shit eventually?

I'm thinking maybe Ghostface. He has a lot of good and a lot of "meh" shit out there

Maybe he should have finished college after all.
So that his mind would not be so susceptible to getting blown so easily.
All that shit Kanye is pondering about freedom and free thought has been thoroughly explored and exhausted by people way more intelligent than him.

I can't believe I used to ride for this guy. Turns out he is actually a simpleton and some of his good insights or convictions in the past were likely purely be accident.

He is an unfettered narcissist man-child who will sacrifice the entire black race at the altar of the alt-right just to get some views or temporary social currency. Please do not defend him. Go and take a look at the people defending Kanye now in youtube and IG comments now. Actual racists.

"400 years sounds like a choice to me"
Fuck you for that Kanye. Fuck you very much. He needs to read a book about all the failed slaved rebellions and what they did to runaway slaves.
What a clown.

Ps That album better be fire though. "Ye Vs The People" was mediocre to me.

>Maybe he should have finished college after all.
>So that his mind would not be so susceptible to getting blown
>so easily.
>All that shit Kanye is pondering about freedom and free
>thought has been thoroughly explored and exhausted by people
>way more intelligent than him.
>
>I can't believe I used to ride for this guy. Turns out he is
>actually a simpleton and some of his good insights or
>convictions in the past were likely purely be accident.
>
>He is an unfettered narcissist man-child who will sacrifice
>the entire black race at the altar of the alt-right just to
>get some views or temporary currency. Please do not defend
>him. Go and take a look at the people defending Kanye now in
>youtube and IG comments now. Actual racists.
>
>"400 years sounds like a choice to me"
>Fuck you for that Kanye. Fuck you very much. He needs to read
>a book about all the failed slaved rebellions and what they
>did to runaway slaves.
>What a clown.
>
>That album better be fire though. "Ye Vs The People" was
>mediocre to me.

CMONNNNNNNNNNNN all that fire above and then "but that album tho, better be dope I'll be peeping" don't give him the time of fucking day !!!

>>Maybe he should have finished college after all.
>>So that his mind would not be so susceptible to getting
>blown
>>so easily.
>>All that shit Kanye is pondering about freedom and free
>>thought has been thoroughly explored and exhausted by people
>>way more intelligent than him.
>>
>>I can't believe I used to ride for this guy. Turns out he is
>>actually a simpleton and some of his good insights or
>>convictions in the past were likely purely be accident.
>>
>>He is an unfettered narcissist man-child who will sacrifice
>>the entire black race at the altar of the alt-right just to
>>get some views or temporary currency. Please do not defend
>>him. Go and take a look at the people defending Kanye now in
>>youtube and IG comments now. Actual racists.
>>
>>"400 years sounds like a choice to me"
>>Fuck you for that Kanye. Fuck you very much. He needs to
>read
>>a book about all the failed slaved rebellions and what they
>>did to runaway slaves.
>>What a clown.
>>
>>That album better be fire though. "Ye Vs The People" was
>>mediocre to me.
>
>CMONNNNNNNNNNNN all that fire above and then "but that album
>tho, better be dope I'll be peeping" don't give him the time
>of fucking day !!!

fuck ye, koonye, this nigga done lost his mind...that album better be fire!

I listened to each of his last 2 albums one time that's it. They both sucked something FIERCE. This one will undoubtedly be even worse. I'd give it a listen if it weren't for this recent MAGA bullshit but now I won't even do that.

Yeezus was one and I forget the name of the other, if those were his last two then yes I didn't like that shit at all save for maybe one or two songs. If this one is trash then chalk it up as a loss and I don't even need to check for his shit again.

I'm so uninterested in this album it's not even funny.

agree with everything you said.

>I can't believe I used to ride for this guy. Turns out he is
>actually a simpleton and some of his good insights or
>convictions in the past were likely purely be accident.

for someone who portrayed himself as an arbiter of realness/authenticity...he ended up falling in love with and marrying the exact opposite.

he has always had a ton of input from other people for just about everything he did. he was more of a curator than an actual artist. maybe those other people (even his mom) are what drove him in certain directions, including in his general thoughts/life. and now as he is more isolated...we are seeing more of his true nature.

people think we are losing ye. but maybe we are just finding him.

but he was still around Dame and Jay so he kept it Black.. but over the years he been creepin towards white folks acceptance.

... on his own. For literally everything else he needed a ton of collaborators.

Which I wouldn't hate on so much if he weren't such a loser. Haha.


>for someone who portrayed himself as an arbiter of
>realness/authenticity...he ended up falling in love with and
>marrying the exact opposite.
>
>he has always had a ton of input from other people for just
>about everything he did. he was more of a curator than an
>actual artist. maybe those other people (even his mom) are
>what drove him in certain directions, including in his general
>thoughts/life. and now as he is more isolated...we are seeing
>more of his true nature.
>
>people think we are losing ye. but maybe we are just finding
>him.
>
>

folks keep falling for it every time.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmhn23lHRBU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

This is really hard to watch -- in the macro sense. We are watching someone with untreated mental illness fall apart in front of us.

While his words are incredibly dangerous, through the lens of his health, it's really, really sad and I hope he gets help.

Hearing us bicker is depressing me :-(

to be talking reckless.

Kanye won't get into Wakanda anyway. Not with the Kardashians in tow.
He'll be cancelled at the border.

the back and forth bothers me though. that’s really the core of it.

for example...
how some folks here take issue with some of the things you say. Having dialogue with you, paid attention to the history you’ve posted about, I know you don’t mean any harm. Some would even say, I’ve favored you (shit, remember folks even though I liked you lol). none of that is the case, I just view things from a different angle.

and you’ve done the same for me...

I’m done with the whole thing :-)

I guess you can try but those folks sound fake woke to me and end up getting caught out there once the receipts come in.

best to just be you and post genuinely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4E-3GE9bKo



Forget all this talk for a bit. Let me introduce myself, my name is flipnile, I ride an orange bike, I'm an Aquarius, I like long rides through the park...

... :-)

when these fashion icons whose ass he is sucking turn on him. Similar to the way this guy is distancing himself from the term "rapper." (which is the most offensive thing to me)

Ups & Downs....as to be expected from Kanye.
I'm still a fan though.....of the artist.
I heard truth and fallacy.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."