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13243176, Death penalty for drug dealers?
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Mar-15-18 02:46 PM
What y'all think? No way this could be abused, right?
I would normally say this is Trump just talking out his ass. But this dude loves him Duterte.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/15/exclusive-trump-finalizing-opioid-plan-death-penalty-418488

Exclusive: Trump finalizing opioid plan that includes death penalty for dealers

The Trump administration is finalizing a long-awaited plan that it says will solve the opioid crisis, but it also calls for law enforcement measures — like the death penalty for some drug dealers — that public health advocates and congressional Republicans warn will detract from efforts to reverse the epidemic.

The ambitious plan, which the White House has quietly been circulating among political appointees this month, could be announced as soon as Monday when President Donald Trump visits New Hampshire, a state hard hit by the epidemic. It includes a mix of prevention and treatment measures that advocates have long endorsed, as well as beefed-up enforcement in line with the president’s frequent calls for a harsh crackdown on drug traffickers and dealers.

The White House's most concrete proposal yet to address opioids comes after complaints from state health officials and advocates that Trump has moved too slowly to combat the epidemic after his bold campaign promises to wipe out the crisis touching all parts of the country.

However, the plan could cost billions of dollars more than Trump budgeted — and likely far more than any funding package that Congress would approve — raising questions about how much of it can actually be put into practice. Trump's emphatic embrace of the death penalty for some drug dealers has also alarmed some advocates, who say the idea has been ineffective when tried in other countries and resurrects the nation’s unsuccessful war on drugs.

Under the most recent version of the plan, which has gone through several revisions, the Trump administration proposes to change how the government pays for opioid prescriptions to limit access to powerful painkillers. It also calls on Congress to change how Medicaid pays for treatment, seeking to make it easier for patients with addictions to get inpatient care. It would also create a new Justice Department task force that more aggressively monitors internet sales.

The administration claims its plan will reduce opioid prescriptions by one-third within three years and that the initiative will fulfill Trump's campaign promise to "stop opioid abuse."

However, that will be a tall order. There were more than 64,000 drug overdose deaths in 2016, mostly involving opioids, according to the most recent federal mortality data. The CDC last week reported that emergency rooms recorded a 30 percent spike in opioid overdoses last summer, indicating that the devastating crisis is worsening.

POLITICO obtained two versions of the White House plan and spoke with four individuals who have reviewed it. The White House confirmed that a plan was in development but didn’t respond to multiple requests for further comment.

Many of the measures in the plan were recommended by the president’s opioids commission last fall or discussed at a March 1 White House opioid summit. For instance, it endorses a long-promised priority: greatly expanding first responders' access to naloxone, a medication used to reverse opioid overdoses. It also calls on states to adopt a prescription drug monitoring database that health care providers can access nationwide to flag patients seeking out numerous opioid prescriptions.

On the policing side, the plan would ramp up prosecution and punishment, underscoring the tension in how public health advocates and law enforcement officials approach the crisis. Public health advocates say the nation's opioid epidemic should be treated as a disease, with emphasis on boosting underfunded treatment and prevention programs. But some law enforcement officials back tougher punishments as a deterrent, especially for drug dealers. The two camps don’t always see eye-to-eye, at times pitting HHS and DOJ officials against each other.

“There is a lot of internal dissension between the health folks and the enforcement folks,” said an official involved in the crafting of the plan.

While Trump this month repeatedly suggested using the death penalty to deter drug dealers and traffickers — an idea roundly opposed by public health advocates — many lawmakers have said they weren’t sure whether to take the idea seriously.

“I would have to strongly evaluate and look at any proposal like that,” said Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) on Wednesday. “I don’t know if the president was serious or just said it off the cuff. … It’s a big issue when you decide to bring a capital case or pass a law that allows for capital punishment.”

According to language circulating this week, the Trump administration will call for the death penalty as an option in "certain cases where opioid, including Fentanyl-related, drug dealing and trafficking are directly responsible for death."

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), whose home state is one of the hardest hit by the opioid epidemic, said she doesn't support the death penalty for drug cases.

“I mean, I get the message he’s delivering: We’ve got to treat it seriously,” she said. “I don’t see that that’s going to solve the problem.”

The White House plan also calls for making it easier to invoke the mandatory minimum sentence for drug traffickers who knowingly distribute illegal opioids that can be lethal, like fentanyl. It also proposes a new Justice Department task force known as “Prescription Interdiction and Litigation,” or PIL, which would be empowered to step up prosecutions of criminally negligent doctors, pharmacies and other providers.

The White House is also backing new health ideas, such as calling for 75 percent of opioid prescriptions reimbursed by government health programs like Medicare and Medicaid to be issued by using “best practices” within three years. That would be scaled up to 95 percent of prescriptions in five years.

It also calls on Congress to formally repeal a rule barring Medicaid payment to residential treatment for opioid addiction at large facilities, which could cost tens of billions of dollars. The rule, implemented about 50 years ago, was meant to discourage mass institutionalization of people with mental illness, but states say it has been a barrier to addiction treatment. Some states under the Obama and Trump administrations have received federal permission to waive the rule for substance abuse treatment.

The plan also includes measures favored by progressive drug policy reformers like changing the nation's prison system so all federal inmates would be screened for opioid use upon arrival and steered toward treatment at residential re-entry centers as necessary. It also calls for improving tracking systems to rapidly steer resources to areas struggling with the opioid epidemic.

Trump could announce the plan, or aspects of it, on Monday, when he is scheduled to return to New Hampshire with HHS Secretary Alex Azar. It will be Trump's first trip to New Hampshire as president after numerous campaign trips to the state to highlight the opioid epidemic.

Some administration officials hoped to announce the long-developing opioid plan — including the death penalty for drug dealers — at the March 1 opioid summit, but it wasn't ready in time. However, Trump still riffed that day about the need to use the death penalty to fight the opioid epidemic.

"If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty," Trump said at the time. "These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people and nothing happens to them."
13243178, please 'murica don't duterte it...
Posted by PG, Thu Mar-15-18 02:49 PM
wonder how it will impact prison profit margins?... and just how many more folks going to be on death row?... craziness.
13243218, and duterte is already sick of it...
Posted by The3rdOne, Thu Mar-15-18 03:48 PM
he talking about he tired of being president over there
13243225, Or Singapore and China it.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Thu Mar-15-18 03:53 PM
13243187, so which Big Pharma CEO gets the needle? or we bringing
Posted by ambient1, Thu Mar-15-18 02:58 PM
back the guillotine?
gas?
13243465, RE: so which Big Pharma CEO gets the needle? or we bringing
Posted by eldealo, Fri Mar-16-18 11:36 AM
exactly! go after big pharma, doctors that love overprescribing, and high level narcotics distributors. i don't want to see this used as an excuse to get rid of those that have no real influence.
13243196, it's code for kill the black and brown youth, come on
Posted by j., Thu Mar-15-18 03:14 PM
Nobody here is falling for this shit right?

Who will Sessions directed DOJ target:

A. International kingpins with the money and resources to fight a case for years?
B. The average hand to hand miminum wage dealer selling dimebags or pills?

LOL @ expecting "tough on crime" death penalty sentencing for Brad in the suburbs and college towns selling Oxy and Xanax to his classmates

13243433, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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13243200, RE: Death penalty for drug dealers?
Posted by j0510, Thu Mar-15-18 03:18 PM
Trump suggests the death penalty for drug dealers, saying that they "are killing our kids and they're killing our families,"

Using this rationale, then shouldn't every gun dealer, NRA member, and politician voting against banning assault weapons, be given the death penalty too?

https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/972880833051746305
13243209, Where are all these opiods coming from? Ain't too many poppy fields...
Posted by flipnile, Thu Mar-15-18 03:35 PM
...just chilling in the US. Opium poppies, at that.

They won't go after those folks tho, because they are the boards of pharmaceutical companies, foreign homies and rich cronies middle-manning the situation.

Same shit, new stall.
13243215, ^^^ and nobody talks about the epidemic coinciding with Afghan war
Posted by bentagain, Thu Mar-15-18 03:43 PM
so...the pills are okay?

but when people can't afford/access the pills and turn to heroin

...then it's time to kill somebody...

?

WTF
13243217, The real reason we are still in Afghanistan
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-15-18 03:45 PM
13243227, So this is what happens when the epidemic reaches middle America *Petty incoming*
Posted by Kira, Thu Mar-15-18 03:56 PM
>Many of the measures in the plan were recommended by the
>president’s opioids commission last fall or discussed at a
>March 1 White House opioid summit. For instance, it endorses a
>long-promised priority: greatly expanding first responders'
>access to naloxone, a medication used to reverse opioid
>overdoses. It also calls on states to adopt a prescription
>drug monitoring database that health care providers can access
>nationwide to flag patients seeking out numerous opioid
>prescriptions.
>
>On the policing side, the plan would ramp up prosecution and
>punishment, underscoring the tension in how public health
>advocates and law enforcement officials approach the crisis.
>Public health advocates say the nation's opioid epidemic
>should be treated as a disease, with emphasis on boosting
>underfunded treatment and prevention programs. But some law
>enforcement officials back tougher punishments as a deterrent,
>especially for drug dealers. The two camps don’t always see
>eye-to-eye, at times pitting HHS and DOJ officials against
>each other.
>
>“There is a lot of internal dissension between the health
>folks and the enforcement folks,” said an official involved
>in the crafting of the plan.
>
>While Trump this month repeatedly suggested using the death
>penalty to deter drug dealers and traffickers — an idea
>roundly opposed by public health advocates — many lawmakers
>have said they weren’t sure whether to take the idea
>seriously.
>
>“I would have to strongly evaluate and look at any proposal
>like that,” said Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) on Wednesday.
>“I don’t know if the president was serious or just said it
>off the cuff. … It’s a big issue when you decide to bring
>a capital case or pass a law that allows for capital
>punishment.”
>
>According to language circulating this week, the Trump
>administration will call for the death penalty as an option in
>"certain cases where opioid, including Fentanyl-related, drug
>dealing and trafficking are directly responsible for death."
>
>Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), whose home state is one
>of the hardest hit by the opioid epidemic, said she doesn't
>support the death penalty for drug cases.
>
>“I mean, I get the message he’s delivering: We’ve got to
>treat it seriously,” she said. “I don’t see that
>that’s going to solve the problem.”
>
>The White House plan also calls for making it easier to invoke
>the mandatory minimum sentence for drug traffickers who
>knowingly distribute illegal opioids that can be lethal, like
>fentanyl. It also proposes a new Justice Department task force
>known as “Prescription Interdiction and Litigation,” or
>PIL, which would be empowered to step up prosecutions of
>criminally negligent doctors, pharmacies and other providers.
>
>The White House is also backing new health ideas, such as
>calling for 75 percent of opioid prescriptions reimbursed by
>government health programs like Medicare and Medicaid to be
>issued by using “best practices” within three years. That
>would be scaled up to 95 percent of prescriptions in five
>years.
>
>It also calls on Congress to formally repeal a rule barring
>Medicaid payment to residential treatment for opioid addiction
>at large facilities, which could cost tens of billions of
>dollars. The rule, implemented about 50 years ago, was meant
>to discourage mass institutionalization of people with mental
>illness, but states say it has been a barrier to addiction
>treatment. Some states under the Obama and Trump
>administrations have received federal permission to waive the
>rule for substance abuse treatment.
>
>The plan also includes measures favored by progressive drug
>policy reformers like changing the nation's prison system so
>all federal inmates would be screened for opioid use upon
>arrival and steered toward treatment at residential re-entry
>centers as necessary. It also calls for improving tracking
>systems to rapidly steer resources to areas struggling with
>the opioid epidemic.
>
>Trump could announce the plan, or aspects of it, on Monday,
>when he is scheduled to return to New Hampshire with HHS
>Secretary Alex Azar. It will be Trump's first trip to New
>Hampshire as president after numerous campaign trips to the
>state to highlight the opioid epidemic.
>

How are we paying for this? Trump's budget killed trillions of funding for welfare programs like this.

The vast majority of drug dealers in these communities are white anyways so invoking the death penalty and increasing prosecution along with punishment is great. This might be necessary to get these trash ideals about a drug war permanently off the discussion stage. Can't wait for the 20 year study showing how harshly this impacted middle america.

Trump and Republicans live with this for years to come. It sucks the death penalty is on the table but these people deserve what they voted for. It's an opiod dealer's mom somewhere praising this move without knowing her son gets hit hard by this years later.

I'd love a progressive policy but this is who YOU PEOPLE pushed into office.
13243370, ain't no opioid dealers being put on death row for this
Posted by j., Fri Mar-16-18 08:46 AM
plus, don't dudes on death row sit there for years and years before getting fried?
to a 45 voter "drug dealer" = black and brown only
Chad gets popped for being the Oxy and Xanny and Percocet plug at his private school
you really think his country club repug donor parents gonna let their baby boy get sent to prison? ROFL