Bands or artist people love to death and whenever you try to get into it you don't see the big deal. This even includes folks you respect or at the very least understand why there is a lot of respect around them.



Prince
Yo La Tengo
Neutral Milk Hotel
Radiohead
Rilo Kiley
J. Cole (aight, kind of a lie, dope albums but no replay at all)
Bob Dylan
Van Morrison
Grateful Dead
Nas (all albums past the first two or three)

Nirvana = white GOATS

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Well, actually, not really, I remember being geeked off yo mtv raps with fab five back in the day and even then I was "eh" on KRS. I get that hes good and I respect his contributions but I've never been compelled to listen to a whole album nose to tail

But TECHNICALLY I guess I'm from Michigan.

One of my favorites behind Return of the Boom Bap

being from a different region seems like the most logical option besides just being a mark ass buster.

became legendary, and even everything that was trendy. We weren't huge Dipset fans like NY was, especially bc of their improper use of gang culture, but it's no way that we would dislike a KRS, BDK, Kool G, Rakim, Run DMC, Slick Rick, etc etc. I'm not sure how many heads knew the Philly rappers like Schoolly D, but yeah.

KRS even had his own radio show out here on 92.3 the Beat.

even though i totally disagree. i love krs-one but i can see that maybe his style(s) may not be for everyone.

if you are going off of a couple songs i would recommend listening to any bdp albums. if you have listened to whole albums...i ono

Also you kinda 'had to be there' I guess.

But Edutainment hit 32 on the wypipo charts which I think is kinda dope. I feel like he was peaking with those 2 albums.

I respect his place in the game and actually dig on a good amount of his and BDP's songs ... I think it's his voice that's always bothered me. So I guess he doesn't really fit "no matter how hard I try" cause I've come around a bit on a lot of his music. I just don't love him like a hip-hop head like myself should and typically does, I guess is what I mean.

But I actively wish I enjoyed J. Cole more than I do.

I want to be more into his music because he produces, but I don’t get anything from it. I think I’ve seen both of his HBO docs, and some in-studio stuff on YouTube, and it just does not move me in any way.

I liked Tetsuo and Youth but I couldn't listen to it more than once

Basically all new rap other than a select few like Rapsody, Kendrick, Vince Staples I don't like. Been playing my shit from the 90's and early 2000's. After Sean Price passed away and other dudes got old there just is nothing for me.

I liked that new Evidence album mainly because it sounds the same as it did 15 years go

The Black Panther soundtrack so far is good

and red hot chilli peppers- anything after bssm

but I do like him.

by music I mean his beat selection. They're not BAD tracks...just feels like something's missing.

He oughta let Earl Sweat do a whole album.


I dunno.

with Vince or Danny or both.

Vince has gone in a different direction with his last two albums but I'm still digging it. That stuff he did with No I.D. and earlier is hard to knock or top imo... and my only real complaint with Danny is that sometimes I feel yelled at too much by his frantic ass wasted self... mind you I wouldn't have it any other way.

a full album by Earl w either would be fire.

- Little Brother's first album (I don't actually blame them. I realized I had started losing interest in Hip-Hop by the time their album came out, but everyone here loved it to death for obvious reasons.)

My people work with Cudi, even went to his show but I can’t stand his voice. It legit makes me angry hearing his vocal tone.

that damn asian d'angelo dude

that damn homeless looking dude that made "headphone masterpiece" (I call him hamburger pimp)

i *defintely* think y'all overhyped amy winehouse too (she aiight... but i won't all that folks here made her out to be. how she escaped being called a culture vulture, at worst, derivative at minimum i dunno)


there are others....

Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

"Headphone Masterpiece" was like some off the wall demo album from some wanna-be Lenny Kravitz who thinks like Kool Keith, when I first heard some tunes I knew people from here were high when listening to him or got some "hey I like amateurish rock" vibe in them.

You right on not paying much attention to suggested artists on OKP these days, when trap artists started getting hyped around here I knew the old heads were gone and the new era of ThatSite-ers were posting now.

I'm a Kool Keith fan but I know 80% of what he puts out is garbage, I just like the diamonds in the ruff songs here & there.

Also who is the Asian sounding D'Angelo kat you were referring to?

I have to make this confession but my only association with EWF is Big Disco-y Songs. Open to having my mind change.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

what does "big Disco-y songs" mean?

i see how: Boogie Wonderland fits there, but do yo include "september" or "fantasy" or "serpentine fire" too (those are big, but i dunno if I'd call them disco-y)?

past that, you don't do their ballads either?

like "reasons" or "cant hide love"?

and legit caught WTF IS THIS SHIT looks from my lady's best friend's husband

she was cool w/ it, but he couldn't deal

shit you think is untouchable, there's always someone out there that can't stand it

and don’t get me wrong. I understand not being on the mood to hear some type of music but when Black folk legit don’t like shit like Stevie Wonder, EWF, Isley Brothers...

I cant trust them.

Type a dude who will snitch to your wife after a guys night out.

Dominican / Peruvian, married to a Puerto Rican

I think the thing is that she grew up around Black folk and he grew up in the Latin part of Queens. So I learned not to hold all people to the same standard.

if someone turned up their nose at "Happy Feelins"

that would break up any future for that relationship

I *am* weird like that about some music (on some: I can't fade you no mo')

other songs too Big Disco-y.

I hear them and see shiny costumes and perms.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Reasons
After the Love is Gone
Let’s Groove
Got to get you into my life
Keep your head to the sky
September

Man... no wonder you post the way you do.

Everytime I give this place some credit y’all turn around and do some shit like this.

J/K

Keep your head to the sky).

I dig Fantasy and Got to get you into my life but the rest I am probably skipping almost every time.

A couple of things:

1. I've told folks before I've have a blind spot for certain late 70s stuff because my parents never got into it (though everyone else's parents I know where into it). I think it's because my parents were slightly older than my friends parents (My dad was into Jazz and his idol is Marvin Gaye and my mom only loves Motown stuff). Though I dig Isley Brothers, Rick James, Maze, Cameo & Roger, because my dad liked certain funk groups from that era, truth be told, I wsa kind of late appreciating acts like Chaka Kahn and Stevie Wonder because they weren't that big with my dad. And my dad seemed to hate Disco.

2. I can remember being young and liking September or Let's Groove but true to OKP form is I end up hating anything that becomes too popular. I get bored with a lot of Wedding Party songs. I rather hear the deeper cuts from Michael Jackson, Prince or Stevie. I can't listen to Beat It, Billie Jean, Signed, Sealed, Delivered or Purple Rain.

3. There are probably deeper cuts of EWF I would appreciate, but never took the time to check them out. Anyway, happy for OKP to school me on EWF.


Anyway, this is my dark shame, my cross to bear.

>Reasons
>After the Love is Gone
>Let’s Groove
>Got to get you into my life
>Keep your head to the sky
>September
>
>Man... no wonder you post the way you do.
>
>Everytime I give this place some credit y’all turn around
>and do some shit like this.
>
>J/K


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and everyone has different taste but groups like EWF have that formula that pulls at your soul if you are Black.

and I think that if true, it would only be true of black folks of a specific age range.

You got to admit that part of it is associating with family gatherings and your childhood.



>and everyone has different taste but groups like EWF have
>that formula that pulls at your soul if you are Black.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Stevie, EWF, etc... those songs are timeless IMO and ooze Black soul.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but I can definitely see how a kid with untrained ears who only listens to "lil whatever his name is" would see it ass old folks music.

but you ain't 15..lol

and I would still think most of them would vibe out to it or feel it.

SLick Rick was more nuanced, and Rakim was more 5% butthe both pre-date Nas in reppin' street shxt.

I didn't know how grimy NYC was til I heard THAT shit. By the time he dropped Live and Let Die the 'hard-rock' era was coming on and EVERYBODY was basically on some 'it's hard out here' shit. And he was early with the Mafia references..before SHallah and Starks

There was no more Chubb Rock, Dana Danes or any of that $hit. No happy rap. It was the era of 'shit is mad real'.

Also Big Pun's flow owes a lot to Kool G. That rapid-fire multi-syllabic rhyme scheme shxt was HIS.

if you not into that type of rap, it's not for you.

Road to the Riches was the penultimate'I-don't-wanna-be-a-bad-guy-but-look-at-my-surroundings' song of it's time.

now everybody selling dope/on dope.

Kool g rap is that dude for me

NYC was like a whole nother world. and he basically lifted up NY's t-shirt and showed all the scars and stab wounds.

>I have to make this confession but my only association with
>EWF is Big Disco-y Songs. Open to having my mind change.

Listen to what he was doing with different rhyme patterns and schemes back in 1988. And it wasn't punchline rap. He was telling stories all throughout. He was just as if not more advanced than Kane & Rakim, he just never had the radio hit. I think the lisp kinda masks his gift. Similar to how Mase's lazy flow takes the focus off of how well crafted his rhymes were.

?

i end up looking around the room like "Really? people like this???"

and I can’t get into them like I used to.

Or How to Disappear Completely. Those are two joints I think anyone can listen to and "get" why people love Radiohead so much.

my friends are MEGA fans.

i kinda like Thom's solo but thats about it.

Is my antidepressant thes days: so lush and vulnerable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfkPmbg1ymM

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY

overrated pretentiousness

I can kinda get into some of his earlier stuff but he lost me a loooooooooooooong way back.... never really felt Jay-Z either... and LL.. ok I get LL but I'm team Kool Moe Dee everyday.

Yeezus was ass

i think im starting to turn the corner on prince but not quite there yet

pretty much all of country which lately i have been finding a lot of people really are into

i dont think i keep track of artists i tried but didnt like so im sure theres an actual list i could make but i would need to get a list of popular artists and see which ones i have actually tried listening to.

Like to see an artist drop an album that you think is the ultimate best thing going and then there next album is BETTER than what you thought was the best thing ever?1!? That's a hell of a run...but that was his run for a minute.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i think ive only heard rtj2

i like killer mike solo and i dont dislike them but i definitely dont love them

I like and copped all 3 but if they do any more they need to really freshen it up.

sure they hv great songs here & there but their catalog as a whole puts me to sleep

like you said, some dope songs but have a hard time getting into full albums

Now he's top five as f two years ago. Rhyme is very intricate like one of those hell raiser boxes.

*ducks*







never heard a song of hers that made me want to check out her albums. enjoyed watching lemonade but no interest in hearing any songs again. dont like her on features/collabos.

mad props on her success though.

not big on pop in general

i do not check for her at all and I have a bias towards her

however

I have been caught way way WAY off guard when I'm just chilling at the barber or some spot and a song comes on and I realize that she is backed by great producers, great engineers, great song writers and she has a great set of pipes. It just kind of sneaks up on you

only had dangerously in love in my books

Anyone claiming she's wack is ignoring some undeniable bangers

back through the files to name names, but man OKP hyped a lot of duds.

can't stand him.

Lil Wayne
Bryson Tiller
Migos
Lil Uzi Vert
Future

i really really really wanna like Young M.A. but..

nope.

d

seems to have the strongest connection to hip hop roots

like why is she competing with men to see who can brag about treating "bitches" worse?

fuck her.

d

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

can't stand him but it was a trip getting my teeth drilled while they played that.

most White Acts and alot Rappers and some jive turkeys
who fake the funk.

Future, Beyonce, Planet Asia, Chance, Prince, etc

There are songs by most of these artists that sound good enough but I just can't taste enough of the sugar from their Kool Aid.

They're not my favorite band of all time, but they're incredibly good. I'd start you off with summerteeth (https://open.spotify.com/album/1JpaFJzzcsiulO6MdIcQdK?si=F2UMVeekQv677FCPhijPbg). It's the album that should have blown them up; not that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot isn't great, but that got famous just as much for the story as the songs, whereas the songs on summerteeth are universally great.

When they came to Austin City Limits Festival in '04? I heard some of their stuff because they were being talked about as the US version of Radiohead. I was a huge Radiohead so the comparison was all I needed to give the band some play.

The music was good, but it just didn't connect with me. Maybe I'll give the album you recommended some burn because they're a band that I wanted to like but just didn't for whatever reason.

That was closer to "Wilco does Radiohead" than the rest of their stuff (except maybe some of the joints on The Whole Love)

This is also a pretty good capture of them (NPR Tiny Desk): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAKTCeE70Y

to tears each time I would try to get into it. Then I just let it play and it starts getting good around song #7, or so. But it took me about 6 years to get to that point with the album.

There's an annual music festival here and this year the Roots & Spoon are headliners. Me & the woman always try to check out the acts that we don't know before the show.

We went into Spoon not knowing a thing about them and we started with the latest album, "Hot Thoughts." I gotta admit that I kinda like it. They're not bad at all.

Obviously they had a number of fans in town. I played their stuff a couple of times but I just couldn't get into them.

At the time, I wasn't into 'indie' music so it could have just been that my ears weren't open to their music. But usually 10 years after a movement happens, my ears start to open up and actually catch up.

I might give them another chance as I go along this year.

I really tried -

he quoo an all but def not on a KDot level imo...


happy for his success but not my steez

but I don't.

but he has IT.

IS the fact that he's just not entertaining. Doesn't excite me (and obviously a ton of others, too).

Like you or someone else already said, he checks all the boxes for a good MC and a good artist, and more specifically he checks all my personal boxes in terms of what I look for in an MC. Someone with a positive vibe, someone uber talented who can also produce (that's kind of an added thing, I don't typically need that factor when ranking an MC), he writes really well, he flows really well, he's topical, he can battle ...... but none of it inspires me for some reason. I can't put my finger on it. But it's just a lack of that "OH SHIT" factor, in that I've never heard a verse or a song of his and been absolutely blown away. I'm always just like "oh that was good" then never have the desire to listen to it again.

The only exception to that thus far was his verse on Bas' "My N**** Just Made Bail". He absolutely MURDERED that song and for the only time ever I actually had that OH SHIT reaction, and still listen to that song to this day.

dude writes and produces his shit.

I’m a big fan and don’t really understand what folks want from him.

It’s cool but I think the knock on JCole is odd as hell.

>dude writes and produces his shit.
>
>I’m a big fan and don’t really understand what folks want
>from him.
>
>It’s cool but I think the knock on JCole is odd as hell.

I think this response is odd as hell. If you enjoy his music, that's awesome. I'm not knocking you.

But I find him boring. He writes and produces his own shit, which is impressive. But a lot of people do that, doesn't mean all of it is good. I find Cole's music, whether he writes/produces or someone else does, to be boring. He doesn't get any reaction out of me. It's meh. I listen, I say "that wasn't bad" and I forget about it.

It doesn't entertain me. It doesn't really blow my mind from a thought-provocation standpoint. It doesn't make me happy, sad, excited, angry ... it's just there.

He's boring. It's not that hard to understand.

If you're into it, great. Obviously a lot of people are. I'm just not. And a lot of people also aren't. Both are fine. Both are really, really easy to understand.

he doesn't entertain me sounds like "dance fool dance" to me.. lol.

That's not even remotely close to what I mean, to be clear. All I'm trying to say when I say that is that his music doesn't do anything for me, doesn't move the needle. When I listen to his music I don't feel anything. To the point where I don't even feel "oh god this is awful" ... because it's not awful. It's fine. I just feel nothing. Uninspired.

That's all it is. But I'll def make sure to explain myself better going forward.

I see so many people saying he is boring online that I used to wonder if there was some type of bandwagon going on with him.

I even saw it used in an ESPN article one time which made me think some folks are being lazy when describing him.

but hell, maybe he is boring since his topics are self depreciating and he isn't bragadocious on the mic.

>but hell, maybe he is boring since his topics are self
>depreciating and he isn't bragadocious on the mic.

... and he's one of my favorite MCs ever. I think it's that his production doesn't really hit like the types of beats I typically enjoy. There's a lifelessness to them. Even though it seems like all the elements are there, for whatever reason it just doesn't click.

Re: self-deprecation, I also enjoy the hell out of that type of MCing. Blu's early work had a lot of self-deprecation. Eminem. Redman. All 3 of them have been and/or remain as top MCs to me so for me personally, it's not that either. Or at least it *can't* be. Haha.

Honestly I'm trying so hard to describe why I don't like his music because I can't fucking figure it out myself. It's all there, all the things I historically like about MCs. I just don't get anything out of his art, and I can't figure it out outside of just not being moved by it. And it kinda makes me sad specifically *because* of how talented he clearly is. But oh well.

in theory.

in practice....he just doesn't ENGAGE me.

It's basically all the things I said and want to say but ... way more succinct haha. Thanks


>RE: I like the IDEA of J. Cole
>in theory.
>
>in practice....he just doesn't ENGAGE me.

listen to his shit. Dude can spit, he got some good songs, but I really gotta be in the mood or else I'm gonna skip or turn off the radio.

Like, he's some of Pac, some of Jay, a little bit of Drake.

I think if I hadn't grown up on those acts, I would appreciate J. Cole more because he would sound fresher. It's not even that he's a poor imitation of those acts, because he's woven those styles into something distinct, to me. But I've just heard those lyrical themes and flows before and his stuff doesn't, 'Wow,' me.

I think if I were in my 20's, I would love J. Cole. But between the similarities to those other artists and his sometimes disrespectful perspectives on women, when he was younger, I just don't get hyped for his stuff like I do Kendrick or Oddisee.

His songs on their own just never grab me, and don't have much replay value.

I can actually point out what I DON'T like about him, even though it's way more things I do like about him.

I HATE when he sings choruses. It always sounds like it needs to be sung by someone else. It just feels dry, and he lacks personality to me in that way.

Yes, he produces his own music, and with that, his production is always like 7/10, 8/10 at best. I loved the fact that "Wet dreamz" was a Boom Bap song on radio in 2015, but after hearing it trillions of times over and over, it just got bland as hell to me. I only truly enjoyed it the first time I heard it.

Now, here's another test. I'm a club DJ, not radio, not online radio...so I can't play every artist in the club, regardless of how dope they are. Yet, basically EVERY rapper at his level, even if they aren't a club rapper, have a few songs that you can play in the club or at parties in general. Yes, even Kendrick, and especially in L.A....it's 5-6 songs of his that have worked great for me. Alright, King Kunta, Humble, Good Kid MAAD City for sure, Element, and even some lesser known songs. With J. Cole....NOTHING works at all, even without that being his intention, if that makes sense.

Like, even though Nas came up in the Boom Bap era where Boom Bap actually got club play...he has always had a few songs that work somewhere, even if it's a straight up Hip Hop head type of spot. "You owe me" was the only true club hit, and most of his fans hated that. But with Cole, like..........NOTHING would work beyond maybe a concert where it's a similar artist performing, and the crowd is filled with his fans. His songs just never have that much of an appeal, even when it's a Trap type beat.

I can keep going, but yeah. As Brew said, he checks ALLLLL the boxes, plus some, that should lead to him being an amazing rapper that I love to listen to...but nah. I tried to force myself, and just never loved it.

>Yes, he produces his own music, and with that, his production
>is always like 7/10, 8/10 at best. I loved the fact that "Wet
>dreamz" was a Boom Bap song on radio in 2015, but after
>hearing it trillions of times over and over, it just got bland
>as hell to me. I only truly enjoyed it the first time I heard
>it.

I remember my wife heard it on radio before I did, and when she had me listen to it I was like "damn ! This is J Cole ?!" and loved it.

Then I went to listen to it again later on iTunes and was bored by it by like the 3rd listen.

Which leads me to this point you made, too ...

>I HATE when he sings choruses. It always sounds like it needs
>to be sung by someone else. It just feels dry, and he lacks
>personality to me in that way.

YES. He's flat as HELL on hooks and could use someone else pretty much everytime out.

despite giving him a go on and off for years

one day last year i heard neighbors on the radio, liked it enough to google it

now there's more than a handful of tracks i really appreciate

I loved TPAB but only because of the production. Can’t get into his other stuff at all

I respect the hell out of her voice, but the songs need alot of help.

**edit**

I'm also not the biggest Mobb Deep fan either; that includes any of the solo work from either of the two.

don't get it at all

2) Darkness on the Edge of Town

Tom Petty,

J Timberlake

Lil Wayne and all his gremlin children

Anybody yall saying is hot today is probably a naw.

(1)Kendrick Lamar
(2)Beyonce
(3)Lauryn Hill
(4)Johnny Cash
(5)Radiohead
(6)Grateful Dead
(7)Phish
(8)Pearl Jam
(9)Taylor Swift
(10)every trap rap artist

He is so so boring, I really tried to sit through an album

I tried and gave it an honest listen.

It's not that they're wack.
At least try to emcee.

Give me an effort or something that tells me you didn't rip mid 2010's instrumentals, transfer them into garage band, spend 1 hour studying Post Carter 3 Wayne, watch a couple Future videos, listen to March Madness, play Drake's greatest hits one time, and start rapping over those instrumentals 10 minutes later.

At least Russ tries somewhat. It's not an age thing because Kendrick, Cole, and Drake were young too.

The folks you mention you like are all at least 30.

The folks you mention you can't get with are like 21 at most.

Decade can make a huge difference.



>I tried and gave it an honest listen.
>
>It's not that they're wack.
>At least try to emcee.
>
>Give me an effort or something that tells me you didn't rip
>mid 2010's instrumentals, transfer them into garage band,
>spend 1 hour studying Post Carter 3 Wayne, watch a couple
>Future videos, listen to March Madness, play Drake's greatest
>hits one time, and start rapping over those instrumentals 10
>minutes later.
>
>At least Russ tries somewhat. It's not an age thing because
>Kendrick, Cole, and Drake were young too.
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

on the day 2Pac died...like, it's almost cliche how symbolic that sounds.

i mean

hes not breaking records or pushing the envelop

and I think he legit sounds off beat

but I enjoy his uh....wtf do I enjoy? Hes just fun to listen to on some songs.

whether he knows it or not.

That's how it feels...imagine that semi-slow kid being a rapper, and even though it's trash-trash, you would rather hear him than the lyrical miracle kid who had no personality, solely because the semi-slow kid was funny as hell and random. Like...."I like hot sauce on my chicken" is the worst and best line of that "Bartier Cardi" song.

"Sweeter than a Pop-Tart, you know you are not hard "

As much as I wanted to like "Wet Dreamz" or any of other of his well constructed snoozefests, I heard it on the road and couldn't even get through the whole song before I started tweaking.

I didn't want to dogpile, but dude is special. No other artists has made so many people feel this way. He's probably one of the few rappers that I would allow my child to listen to sometimes. I just want to be able to stomach this shit. I'm not there yet. I think it's a generational thing too, I know some really bright teens that just RADIATE lethargy. It's so hip to look lethargic now.

He's basically an even cornier Fabolous.

Ugh to both.