http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhm5QFzUGo9La3CIV6

There's definitely a pay disparagement in Hollywood based on race and sex. But I don't know if this is it. Why would Netflix pay her the same amount of cash of a high demand comedian, when she's really not that much in demand? Maybe she is with her fan base. But I don't think she has Chris Rock/Dave Chappelle level fan base. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. But she's trippin on that boycott shit. There's no way I'm gonna stop watching Unsealed Alien Files for a Monique special.

Of the three comedians she named, she doesn't have near as much reach or crossover fanbase.

She should have done the first one, then asked for more money for the next one. You gotta grind at it. Her team shoulda been better.
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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

Amy Schumer has/had a TV show, movies and shit.. real wack movies but nationwide movies none the less.

You ain't got the audience that white girl has. Shoulda did that shit and smashed it so you could get a better offer or some movies off of it.

while I understand equal pay in most regular industries, entertainment is built diff than the accounting job.

boycotting netflix

like, let it simmer maybe?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

She still thinks it’s 2012 or whenever Queens of Comedy dropped

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.
.

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

But she is really delusional. And entitled.

Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

season 2, I think around ep 5

Gennys boys come to visit him and they partying in a nightclub.

My joint got all typsa club vibe filters on it, and I can barely hear my own vocals, but the check cleared...lol

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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Schumer, 11 mil offer
Monique, 500k offer

I know her boycott request is kinda silly and unrealistic,
but that IS a pretty disrespectful offer imo.

Monique's pay never reflected the fact that she's
an Academy Award winning actress. That raises
pay for any other actor, so I get her frustration
at the way she gets played on the financial end
of things.
I just wish she had something more reasonable to
say about this than asking people to boycott Netflix.
This really isn't the way to respond. With ppl
saying she's "difficult to work with" I can imagine
this is almost confirmation for some people and
might cause her to get less offers out of fear that
she'll be calling for you to be boycotted if she
doesn't like the money she's offered.

But that role was orettt harsh and although she killed it that Oscar win is a funny thing. Seems like as soon as a Black Pearson gets that award their career gets defined but that one role.

I actually thought she would get more serious roles after that because she was awesome in that movie.

She ain’t white tho.

even relevant in negotiations for a *comedy* special in 2018?

the netflix offers to rock, chappelle, and schumer were largely based off the success of their comedy touring. theyre basically just licensing deals for recorded content from certain tour dates.

what kinda shows and what type of turnout is monique doing right now? is she even headlining shows or is she doing ensemble def comedy jam type shit?

>RE: is an oscar for a supporting role in a dramatic film 10 years ago

even relevant in negotiations for a *comedy* special in
>2018?
>


Its 100% most definitely not.

You're conflating different points there.

I mentioned that in saying I see why she'd be
"frustrated at the way she gets played on the
financial end of things" b/c I think this
boycott request comes from a build-up of events
for her and isn't solely about the Netflix
offer. I wasn't addressing whether that's
right or wrong. It's just an observation.

yeah she killed it, but....

Also, is she 'that' funny?

Amy Schumer is yt, as previously stated and she's also 'controversial'

I mean, I LOVED Mo'Nique in 'Welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins' but..yeah

"...it's gonna be a "No" for me, dawg.." (c) Randy Jackson

I do t enjoy Schumer’s standup but I’m Black and bias as shit. Most white comics don’t move me at all except for Bill Burr.

so netflix lowballed her (in her opinion). she should be getting 500k+ bids from amazon, hulu, hbo, comedy central, etc. right?

your market value is determined by the actual market. not what you personally feel you are valued at. businesses pay you based on a revenue share of an estimation of how much money you will make *them*.

im a ball player. a team is offering me a mid level contract. i think i deserve a max contract. but no other team is offering me a max contract. then guess what? im a mid level player lol.

amy schumer (who i dont even like) has over 6 million instagram followers (one of many metrics for interest/relevance) and has been part of profitable movies, shows, and comedic ventures.

monique has an instagram following of 215k and i cant think off the top of my head of any comedic/entertainment vehicles that she has been responsible for driving revenue to. i honestly have never heard anyone talk about going to a monique standup show.
where would her starting point be in a negotiation based off past financial success?

This is show business...

It doesn't matter what you did in the past... in the world of social media and hard number metrics you can easily look and see what kind of impact a special would have...

She should take that 500k.. kill it and then cake up off a new special next year...

that is the way this shit goes man!

As it relates to the comedy world right now she shouldn't even be getting more than joe rogan or tom segura or ali wong and definitely not even Kat Williams who STAYS on the road.

When is the last time she even did a sold out stand up tour?

because if you don't jump on the boycott

now it seems like you don't support her at all, and I support her trying to get all the money she can get and I'd be insulted by that offer if I were her.

but I'm not cancelling my netflix over it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I rock with her but unrealistic boycotts don’t work.

day to day.

I think that for many people, they would be interested in supporting her, but they don't want to do what she asked.

that is a bind.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>
>I think that for many people, they would be interested in
>supporting her, but they don't want to do what she asked.
>
>that is a bind.
>

yup

vs. Schumers?

A lot easier for Monique to make her case if she provided viewership, sponsor and advertising dollars.

Its not rocket science. If you were running Netflix would you give her equal or more than what she was offered? If so you would tank Netflix LOL

Jo Koy who tours more and at the moment has a bigger fanbase was getting turned down by most, went and filmed his own special and then sold it to Netflix.

Amy is the top female comedian at the moment regardless of anyones personal opinion on her. Ask any real comedian. They know it.



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as others have said, Amy has been big the last few years. Mo has not. this doesn't feel like racism/sexism. this is just who got the ball right now.

Theyre paying about 3'ish dollars per follows. soooooo

I ain't boycotting netflix.

I barely watch tv or watch movies but netflix is the truth.

considering how far she has fallen outta favor with the general audience.

You don't play the victim off jump in negotiation...that's a 1 way ticket to a dead end...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

That's bad business

Entertainers are private contractors...meaning that like most people said, the market dictates the price. You can have a set price in mind for yourself, but if you want $, you would have to acquiesce to whatever that # is until your demand goes up, and the # goes higher.

I support Monique getting equal pay for an acting role, but for a stand-up special? Her or her manager should have negotiated a higher price...that's on her

He/she prolly set up the deal. This is all on Monique.

Unless she doing movies with Deray ain’t no way she is getting equal pay as an actor.

Folks need to stop this nonsense. If she does a movie with Samuel Jack you think she should get equal pay? Based on what?

Does this work both ways? Is Schumer’s costars getting the same amount of money as her if it’s a movie with her on the poster?

Always thought the equal pay argument was odd for actors. Ain’t no equal pay in sports. Stars get paid more for obvious reasons. I think everyone working behind he scenes should get equal pay but the actual actors? Nah... star power trumps all that other shit.

Then again. He wasn’t in the video. Nigga might be mad as shit.

I bet a better manager could maybe get her a mill but then again, where has she been these last 5 years? Where is the demand?

Sorry but I don’t think I would offer her more than a mill on a good day if I was Netflix.

get better deals or her reputation. seems like they've both gonna ride it out this way.

she's talks about him a bit on Sway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I

Only rusty comic they handed A-List money coming back was Chris Tucker, who has what a billion in Box office on his resume.

I wonder what those other female comics received in pay. At least Maria Bamford was creative enough to integrate the question of pay disparity into her show.

for all the people in this thread taking shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


starts around 5:20

Deserved every shot in this thread lol

She and her husband are confused about what year it is.




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is explained in the interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


>Deserved every shot in this thread lol
>
>She and her husband are confused about what year it is.
>
>

You are confused but it's not the first time.

http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

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"The lead fucking actor of Greys whose character the show is named after LOL and not to mention is even the reason Viola Davis can have a show on ABC cause if that show tanked who knows where Shonda would be writing shows on. Greys is on it's 13th season. Yeah. 13."

LMAO

the last time the pay discussion came up. Your opinion doesn't even count.

I mean, if you want to bring the gender inequality into play, I get it. But she's picking rarified air with those two, and she hasn't been close to their level. So bringing up what they make doesn't quite ring true. Chris and Dave can still sell out any arena they play. Mo'Nique isn't guaranteed, putting it kindly.

Do I thin Netflix lowballed her? Absolutely. Do I think Mo should be getting Amy money? Not quite. Dave or Chris money? Not a chance. Doesn't mean gender or race inequality isn't a thing or didn't play some part in this situation. But it also doesn't meen Mo'Nique should feel entitled to pay equal to those three OR that her situation is boycott-worthy.

they called her a legend. Shouldn't say that if they didn't mean it.

>I mean, if you want to bring the gender inequality into play,
>I get it. But she's picking rarified air with those two, and
>she hasn't been close to their level. So bringing up what they
>make doesn't quite ring true. Chris and Dave can still sell
>out any arena they play. Mo'Nique isn't guaranteed, putting it
>kindly.
>
>Do I thin Netflix lowballed her? Absolutely. Do I think Mo
>should be getting Amy money? Not quite. Dave or Chris money?
>Not a chance. Doesn't mean gender or race inequality isn't a
>thing or didn't play some part in this situation. But it also
>doesn't meen Mo'Nique should feel entitled to pay equal to
>those three OR that her situation is boycott-worthy.

Amy shouldn't get Amy money. When Schumer complained using "rarified air" of Dave and Chris, Netlix paid Amy more but when Monique complained they walked away.

Race and gender inequality played more than a part, it was the whole thing. A Black woman feels entitled if she is insulted by a lowball offer ? Watch the interview again and read this.

http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

There’s levels. I’m definitely no fan of Amy Schumer and think she is a hack but she has made it to that top tier.

http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

>There’s levels. I’m definitely no fan of Amy Schumer and
>think she is a hack but she has made it to that top tier.

She's at the top tier because she is white.

I never said she was getting paid the same as Chris and Dave.

but 2 black people are getting paid almost double amy schumer.

explain this supposed racial disparity for me.

if you think amy schumer got a bigger deal than monique based on race...how do you explain rock/chappelle? clue me in.

Blacks Wall street

Talented tenth

Oprah

Black Football players

Black Basketball players


Since these people are rich and Black Wall street did good, does it mean the business that paid them are not racist or Black communities all over the country are not facing any racism ? The talented tenth was around when segregation was law does that mean no racist laws exist ?

Why did Wanda Sykes get offered less than Monique ?

Paying two popular Black comedians is enough to say Netflix is fair to Black female comedians.

netflix should keep it moving. im surprised they approached her w/ an offer at all.

Monique said. Schumer's leather special on Netflix was poppin huh ?

but the scoreboard is the scoreboard and she poppin.

Any, like her or not (I don’t), is coming off a “hot” show and some profitable movies. Monique couldn’t sell out a Chipotle as the sole performer. Why should she get paid the same as them?

they are the ones who went looking for her and called her a legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.

the offer should be fair right ?

>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.

Should the Cold Crush Brothers get less than Kreayshawn ?

im not sure what yall arent getting. the money you take home is a function of the money you bring in.

if schumer/kreayshawn generate a lot more revenue than monique/cold crush then they 'deserve' to get paid a lot more. thats how the real world works.

>im not sure what yall arent getting. the money you take home
>is a function of the money you bring in.


http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

>if schumer/kreayshawn generate a lot more revenue than
>monique/cold crush then they 'deserve' to get paid a lot more.
> thats how the real world works.


If that was true the white female actresses wouldn't be complaining. Nah this is how the real world works.

"Ellen Pompeo has starred as the titular character of Meredith Grey on ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" since 2005. But it has taken the actress more than a decade to work her way up to being TV's highest paid female star in a drama. For a period of time, Pompeo's male co-star, Patrick Dempsey (aka Derek Shepherd aka Doctor McDreamy) was paid more than her."


Now if they treat the the white female like that then...

>If that was true the white female actresses wouldn't be
>complaining. Nah this is how the real world works.
>
>"Ellen Pompeo has starred as the titular character of Meredith
>Grey on ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" since 2005. But it has taken
>the actress more than a decade to work her way up to being
>TV's highest paid female star in a drama. For a period of
>time, Pompeo's male co-star, Patrick Dempsey (aka Derek
>Shepherd aka Doctor McDreamy) was paid more than her."
>
>
>Now if they treat the the white female like that then...

this says it all:
https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2018/01/17/Ellen-Pompeo-ABC-execs-used-Patrick-Dempsey-as-leverage-in-pay-negotiations/2901516208255/
"They could always use him as leverage against me -- 'We don't need you; we have Patrick' -- which they did for years."

abc knew dempsey could completely carry the show without pompeo. and she knew that too. doctor mcdreamy was the biggest star on the show for much of its run. he already had an established movie career and was more recognizable. he was the main draw and the primary reason people tuned in.

sofia vergara became the main draw for modern family. she started off around the same pay as the rest of the cast. now she gets paid the most.

happy days originally focused on the cunningham family. fonzie became the bigger star and ended up getting paid more.

its not hard to understand.

>this says it all:
>https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2018/01/17/Ellen-Pompeo-ABC-execs-used-Patrick-Dempsey-as-leverage-in-pay-negotiations/2901516208255/
>"They could always use him as leverage against me -- 'We don't
>need you; we have Patrick' -- which they did for years."
>
>abc knew dempsey could completely carry the show without
>pompeo. and she knew that too. doctor mcdreamy was the
>biggest star on the show for much of its run. he already had
>an established movie career and was more recognizable. he was
>the main draw and the primary reason people tuned in.

If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down when he left ?

"So, what does it look like when he leaves the show? First, it looks like a ratings spike, and I had a nice chuckle about that." -Pompeo


>sofia vergara became the main draw for modern family. she
>started off around the same pay as the rest of the cast. now
>she gets paid the most.
>

She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.

>happy days originally focused on the cunningham family.
>fonzie became the bigger star and ended up getting paid more.
>
>its not hard to understand.
>

So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being paid ?

http://www.businessinsider.com/suzanne-somers-fired-threes-company-raise-career-worth-2015-6

""When it came time for fifth-season negotiations in 1980, Somers asked for a pay hike from $30,000 an episode to $150,000," according to The Hollywood Reporter, noting the salary increase would be "equal to what her Three's Company co-star John Ritter was receiving and comparable to salaries M*A*S*H*'s Alan Alda and All in the Family's Carroll O'Connor were being paid on lower-rated shows."

>If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down when
>he left ?

because the show (along with pompeo) had built their brand and cultivated a dedicated audience. robe lowe left the west wing and they did just fine.


>She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if
>Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.
>

vergara asked for more and got paid because she was worth it to abc. monique asked for more and got denied because she wasnt worth it to netflix. thats how negotiations work lol.



>So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being
>paid ?

janet and chrissy were important roles no doubt. but jack tripper was iconic. she wasnt as big a star as john ritter, alan alda, or carroll o'connor. those roles defined an entire generation of tv.

>>If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down
>when
>>he left ?
>
>because the show (along with pompeo) had built their brand and
>cultivated a dedicated audience. robe lowe left the west wing
>and they did just fine.
>

Lol it wasn't called Rob's wing. Grey's is named after Pompeo's character, it would be like telling Martin Sheen he can walk because Rob Lowe will carry the show. Plus Pompeo was part of building the brand from the start so you can't say Dempsey deserves more unless the ratings go down when he leaves.

>>She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if
>>Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.
>>
>
>vergara asked for more and got paid because she was worth it
>to abc. monique asked for more and got denied because she
>wasnt worth it to netflix. thats how negotiations work lol.
>

That's not a negotiation. An offer or a ultimatum but not a negotiation. Not taking her calls, lying, leaving the table, it takes two to negotiate.

>
>>So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being
>>paid ?
>
>janet and chrissy were important roles no doubt. but jack
>tripper was iconic. she wasnt as big a star as john ritter,
>alan alda, or carroll o'connor. those roles defined an entire
>generation of tv.
>

An iconic character who couldn't make a spin off work. Those one of shows was getting lower ratings at the time.

>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.


Netflix lowballed Wanda Sykes as well...Even lower than Mo'Nique's rate....But yet folks want to continue to dismiss Mo'Nique's claims as if she's just being bitter...And your Cold Crush analogy is kind of side-eye worthy...Monique has sold out huge venues, had a hit show, comedy specials, and an Oscar...Her issue is she has alienated herself from the Hollywood brass. She has def. cried wolf a few times in the past....That's a legit critique to have against Mo'Nique...

But....

There's def. a problem here....A black woman problem....

And the low-key caping for Amy Schumer in this post is VERY interesting...

>>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.
>
>
>Netflix lowballed Wanda Sykes as well...Even lower than
>Mo'Nique's rate....But yet folks want to continue to dismiss
>Mo'Nique's claims as if she's just being bitter...And your
>Cold Crush analogy is kind of side-eye worthy...Monique has
>sold out huge venues, had a hit show, comedy specials, and an
>Oscar...Her issue is she has alienated herself from the
>Hollywood brass. She has def. cried wolf a few times in the
>past....That's a legit critique to have against Mo'Nique...
>
>But....
>
>There's def. a problem here....A black woman problem....
>
>And the low-key caping for Amy Schumer in this post is VERY
>interesting...


^^^^^^^^^^ This right here

As far as I know, most people here don’t like her or her comedy. People are just trying to point out that in 2018, Amy is a bigger money draw than Mo. Netflix isn’t charity, they’re going to pay you according to what they think you’ll generate for them, and in most cases it’ll be way less than what you’ll bring in. Is 500k a lowball? It could be, but don’t bring up the names of people who are way bigger draws than you at this current point in time to make your stand.

If you want to talk about pay discrepancy that makes sense, let’s talk about Tracee. I’m all for that one.

what huge venues did she sell out?

youre throwing around these terms kinda loosely lol.

Cut it out...I am no STAN for Monique...But now u just sound mad TROLL-LISH....

U have Google....Look it up....

Again...I can....She even has a sitcom in syndication...I'm not even a fan of shows like The Parkers (not my bag...at all...)...But it was indeed a success....I mean, she got an Emmy nomination for that HBO film she did with Latifah and an Oscar...Y'all seem pressed with dancing on this chick's grave....

They don't hear you

>
>
>Again...I can....She even has a sitcom in syndication...I'm
>not even a fan of shows like The Parkers (not my bag...at
>all...)...But it was indeed a success....I mean, she got an
>Emmy nomination for that HBO film she did with Latifah and an
>Oscar...Y'all seem pressed with dancing on this chick's
>grave....

^^^^^ All this

you are subjectively using the term 'hit'. a lot of black people watched it on upn. but it wasnt anywhere near something like 'everybody loves raymond'. not even on the level of something like 'girlfriends'.

as far as syndication...'thea' was in syndication for over 10 years. you watching a thea vidale standup special? lol. romeo miller and flex alexander had syndicated shows. syndication isnt really a measure of anything. how much was paid in the syndication deal(s) is a lot more telling.

and a supporting role emmy nomination from a dramatic film isnt really relevant here. itd be relevant if she was talking about getting lowballed on tv role offers tho.

let me go verify

I haven't watched more than 5 minutes of anything Schumer has ever done.

But what's gonna generate "likes" for Netflix, Schumer or 'Nique. I believe they may have 'shorted' her. That's business in Amurica. Also black women are undervalued and the mindset behind that is troubling to say the least.

But from a modern business standpoint, Schumer has potential to go 'Worldstar', and at that point, even ppl who don't fk with her will probly click just to see 'what all the fuss is about with this Schumer chick', thass all I'm sayin

where she was coming from

Thanks for 108 that was a good post.

what kinds of offers other Black female comics have to look forward to if she accepts 500k. I can definitely respect that she doesn't want to be responsible for setting THAT kind of tone for what Black women have to settle for.
We can say she ain't poppin or whatever, but we also know Hollywood often makes such excuses when they don't want to hire Black actors, put Black films in theaters, or just wanna underpay them. This isn't fiction, it actually happens. They'll say "Black movies don't do well overseas" but neither do white movies unless they're action films, and ALL actions films do well overseas. That's how Wesley Snipes made more money than Denzel for so many years (shout out to Michael Jai White for pointing these things out in his interview on IZM Radio).

Some might think this one is "fair" but the it's much more often unfair, and that makes people understandably skeptical and cautious. Monique has dealt with all the unfair treatment that comes with being a Black woman in Hollywood. It's just beyond me to tell her "gtfoh u ain't poppin", and much more my speed to say I understand her frustration even if I don't think she's handling it in the most effective way. Maybe she's just tired of it all and feels she has to start speaking out, and maybe some of the "wrong" folks are getting caught in the crossfire, but that's what happens when you build systems on the abuse of certain folks... industries within that system reflect that system, and people get fed up. *shrugs

Ftr, this issue seems a bit inconsequential to most of our lives, but all things are pretty relative in a system that mistreats people in every area of activity.

>what kinds of offers other Black female comics have to look
>forward to if she accepts 500k. I can definitely respect that
>she doesn't want to be responsible for setting THAT kind of
>tone for what Black women have to settle for.

Yeah that's a good point she made. If she goes for the lowball offer it means more of the same for those coming behind her. Hollywood has a long history of treating Black women bad, so it's insane for people to sit in this thread going hard for Netflix execs.

>We can say she ain't poppin or whatever, but we also know
>Hollywood often makes such excuses when they don't want to
>hire Black actors, put Black films in theaters, or just wanna
>underpay them. This isn't fiction, it actually happens.
>They'll say "Black movies don't do well overseas" but neither
>do white movies unless they're action films, and ALL actions
>films do well overseas. That's how Wesley Snipes made more
>money than Denzel for so many years (shout out to Michael Jai
>White for pointing these things out in his interview on IZM
>Radio).
>

Yep even if she was "poppin" it would just be another excuse.

>Some might think this one is "fair" but the it's much more
>often unfair, and that makes people understandably skeptical
>and cautious. Monique has dealt with all the unfair treatment
>that comes with being a Black woman in Hollywood. It's just
>beyond me to tell her "gtfoh u ain't poppin", and much more my
>speed to say I understand her frustration even if I don't
>think she's handling it in the most effective way. Maybe
>she's just tired of it all and feels she has to start speaking
>out, and maybe some of the "wrong" folks are getting caught in
>the crossfire, but that's what happens when you build systems
>on the abuse of certain folks... industries within that system
>reflect that system, and people get fed up. *shrugs
>

^^^^^ All true. Those who agree with Netflix and say the money they offered to pay Monique was good, never say anything about why Netflix lied to her when they challenged them about using a résumé to determine how much they pay, after they said they don't use résumés.

>Ftr, this issue seems a bit inconsequential to most of our
>lives, but all things are pretty relative in a system that
>mistreats people in every area of activity.
>
>

true

This^^^^^

It looks like Netflix doesn't so much have a Mo'Nique problem...They have a black woman problem.....

"@moworldwide, thank you for speaking out. @netflix offered me less than half of your $500k. I was offended but found another home. #EPIX"

https://twitter.com/iamwandasykes/status/954951321030987777

why cant monique do the same?

https://www.facebook.com/TheEarlyBirdnation/videos/941087436039399/

be honest.

shit if monique put up a comedy set on youtube for free...would yall sit down for an hour and watch it?

niggas going hard for her knowing damn well *they* aint even tryna see that shit lol.

I watched Queens of Comedy back in the day.

RE: I would

She popular so racism ok -lapdog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM7HGzObXwY

The last one that Mike Epps did...yuck.
Hell Deray Davis' last one was mediocre. But I gave it a shot.

But you know who dropped one that was hilarious...Arnez J.

I usually check out anything I think might be interesting on Netflix...take a couple of risk. Sometimes pleasantly surprised, sometimes disappointed.

Monique...off of sheer curiosity, would have gotten a peep. If the first 15 mins are good, I'll rock with the whole special.

I think most of us agree that

1. Netflix lowballed her
2. She's not getting Rock or Chapelle money

Comparing her to Schumer a bit greyer. I do think Mo' is funnier than Amy (legendary may be a bit much, but it strokes the ego, I suppose), but Amy is hotter on the scene that Mo' is right now. So, she can get that pay, regardless of talent. Mo'Nique even said in her interview with Sway Amy got what she was supposed to get.

So, gender and race politics aside for the moment, for everyone saying Mo'Nique has a point and should ask for the Netflix boycott, how much should Netflix had offered (or how much would YOU have offered her)?

movie, show, standup special, talk show interview, facebook live chat, reddit ama, etc?

like when was the last time people said 'oh monique is gonna be on? let me go check it out'?

not even tryna funny. but maybe somebody can refresh my memory.

I didn’t tune in just for her but I knew she would be funny in it.

>I think most of us agree that
>
>1. Netflix lowballed her
>2. She's not getting Rock or Chapelle money
>
>Comparing her to Schumer a bit greyer. I do think Mo' is
>funnier than Amy (legendary may be a bit much, but it strokes
>the ego, I suppose), but Amy is hotter on the scene that Mo'
>is right now. So, she can get that pay, regardless of talent.
>Mo'Nique even said in her interview with Sway Amy got what she
>was supposed to get.
>
>So, gender and race politics aside for the moment, for
>everyone saying Mo'Nique has a point and should ask for the
>Netflix boycott, how much should Netflix had offered (or how
>much would YOU have offered her)?


Indeed...

But u know we all know that if Mo'Nique was offered $2 million to $3 million we would not even be having this discussion....lol. She would have taken THAT money. But they didn't even offer her that....Which is pretty crazy....

shit $500k mighta been generous lol.

do me this quick favor.

monique goes into a board room with netflix execs. they say they are willing to pay her half a mil. she thinks half a mil is low.

so monique replies:
'500k? i generated $500k alone when i did _________'.


fill in that blank. nobody in here has been able to list something concrete that she successfully headed up as the primary star to justify her getting paid more. everything is basically 'well she is really funny and these other people are making more'.

cuz, I fuck with Mo's standup. She's legit funnier to me than Amy...but, the last show I sat down and watched of hers was...on Netflix by the way..."I could have been your cellmate" joint she did at a women's prison. That was 2007, fam!!! Jive 11 years ago. I for real don't remember anything in between.

def fuck with her more than some damn amy schumer.

but niggas gotta go back 10+ years to the last time they actually watched her!

>shit $500k mighta been generous lol.

The fact that u think that is the issue at hand...

Chris Tucker, who was all but washed (a series of flop films and critically panned standup gigs) and a punchline at that point was able to get $2 million for his Netflix special a few years ago...Again, Tucker had been out of the business and his career was given up for dead....

And yet he got $2 million...lol

Sometimes u have to call a tiger a TIGER.....

where's Mo's Rush Hours, Money Talks, Fridays, etc. He draws people just by being Chris Tucker. Mo don't have that kind of juice.

That's the thing....Chris Tucker ain't worth $2 million in 2018....

post a link for me fam. i searched but couldnt find anything discussing his pay.

i know the budget for friday was $2 mil. maybe thats what you are thinking of?

either way...like mynoriti said...if chris rock made $2 mil then monique making $500k sounds even better now. chris rock co-headlined a global comedic blockbuster trilogy. people are pretty much begging him to return for a friday 2.

is anyone begging monique to return to anything?

>is anyone begging monique to return to anything?

Was anyone begging for Chris Tucker's return after his career was all but dead and his stand up shows were being panned left and right?

.....Friday sequel. He literally pointed that out in his comment. I can't tell you the last time I've heard anyone asking about a Monique project. I still see folks talking about Chris Tucker.



Since 1976

I run into some plugged in circles...It's well known in the entertainment biz....

>fill in that blank. nobody in here has been able to list
>something concrete that she successfully headed up as the
>primary star to justify her getting paid more. everything is
>basically 'well she is really funny and these other people are
>making more'.



Mo's track record is known..But her issue is her agent sucks and she fought against the system in such a public way...

But let's keep it real. $500,000 for someone who has a sitcom (no matter what I think of it) in SYNDICATION, has an Oscar, an Emmy nomination and headlined that Queens of Comedy tour that had the best ratings for a special on Showtime the year it premiered, headlined her own theater tours at a time when women were not doing that shit is shaky at best...The fact that Wanda Sykes had the same issue adds another dimension to this...

I'm not buying Mo's "boycott" talk....That's misguided at best. But I do see her beef.... Saying that Mo'Nique should not get Chappelle/Rock money is one thing....

Questioning Mo'Nique's achievements as if she's some rookie bum off the street is quite another...

I'll say it again...We need more women on this board....

she does that folks find so funny, I'd argue that even $2m or $3m would have still left room for upward negotiation from Mo'Nique.

Otherwise, maybe Netflix is not even the right fit for her. Not when you have other Oscar-winning actresses like Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman out here breaking records with their negotiations for TV appearances.

And Monique speaks on the management thing in that interview, it's not all so cut-and-dry. It must be frustrating for she and her manager/husband to realize they're not taken as seriously in her
negotiations as her white management was.

I honestly just can't believe how hard people are banging against Mo'Nique. She's done a lot for the culture, as a comedienne.

It all points toward uglier trends in the black community, of a) undervaluing folks that don't have that crossover popularity, and b) undervaluing black women's contributions as a whole

*sigh*

there's probably 100 other netflix comedy specials, and market value wise, she falls somewhere in that crowd.

if there's some comedian of similar popularity, or one hardly anyone has ever heard of and they got paid 2 million, she could maybe make a case that its bullshit.

half a million seems more than fair to me, but i don't know what the baseline is for netflix comedians who aren't gonna get billboards all over town

Cause ill bet good money whatever they were paid for the last ones were all based off the numbers they are doing on tours, podcasts, tv shows, etc.

All she seemed to come with was her current tour (nobody in this thread even knew she was doing for a so called “legend”) and movies from what a decade ago?

So before we go does she deserve as much as Amy, Rock and Dave does she even deserve as much as Jo Koy, Mulaney, Burr, Trevor Noah, D’Elia, Gaffigan, Regan, Norton, Norm, Patton, Bo Burnham, Christina P, DeRay, Birbiglia, Colin Quinn, Michael Che and the list goes on. Stand ups who are all crazy active in the game and doing shit outside of stand up that has numbers to show an audience will come check out the special. Shes not even near any of these comedians, she doesnt seem as active ad any of these comedians.


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But it would at least make more sense to operate somewhere within that tier than to simply complain the top paid netflix comedian makes this much. It seems she's going off Amy Schumer's playbook, but even Amy had to backtrack once she dropped Rock/Chappelle's names and clarify that she wasn't claiming to be on their level.

It's hard to say how much she's worth without knowing how much they're paying a Jim Norton, or a Colin Quinn etc.. and yeah most of the names you mentioned do more or less pop up regularly, but even in that sense, I don't think it necessarily needs to be based on how active she is, or what they get paid for other shit, as much as how much of a draw for viewers she is. Tucker was out of the public eye for a long time, but he's Chris Tucker. If Tucker got 2 mil, half a mil seems like a good pay day for her imo

I'm also not sure why people keep bringing up her Oscar like it matters in negotiating a comedy special

Theres very few exceptions to that rule like Rock, Chappelle because of their legacy in comedy.

Chris Tucker as well as we have all been waiting for the old Chris Tucker to come back, theres anticipation for that even tho thats never going to happen. His special is on there but the comedy world is over it at this point they know the Def Comedy Jam Chris Tucker is done.

You really can't compare any of those people to Monique that demand to see her like that is just not there. I bet you didnt even know she was still doing stand up till this whole ordeal came up. That goes for majority of this thread.

But even those exceptions to the rule are still very active. Chris and Dave always pop up at comedy rooms to work. They didnt just go away and not stay active.

These days these companies are all about numbers and leverage. In any industry in entertainment. Its not just talent. Its whats your audience and who can you prove you can bring to our platform if we collab. Thats it. It's a trade off.



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>So before we go does she deserve as much as Amy, Rock and Dave
>does she even deserve as much as Jo Koy, Mulaney, Burr, Trevor
>Noah, D’Elia, Gaffigan, Regan, Norton, Norm, Patton, Bo
>Burnham, Christina P, DeRay, Birbiglia, Colin Quinn, Michael
>Che and the list goes on. Stand ups who are all crazy active
>in the game and doing shit outside of stand up that has
>numbers to show an audience will come check out the special.
>Shes not even near any of these comedians, she doesnt seem as
>active ad any of these comedians.
>

Putting herself up with Chris, Dave and Amy was a reach. Whether you look at talent, popularity, or work Mo'Nique doesn't really stand up to either of them. It would be interesting to see what the next tier of comedians made on their specials which, despite Mo'Nique's 'legendary' status, is kind of where she lands because she doesn't have the current work resume.

the talent payment model for nflix anyway with all its profits and alignments
more than half its content is unwatchable yet it will be a subscription
I will probably have for the rest of my life...

Dog.. Mo'nique doesn't even have 200k twitter followers (she has 150k) 221k on IG

DL hughley has 416k on twitter for example (835k on IG).. C Rock has 5.4m (2.4m on IG)

The current tour she is on she is doing 500 cap. rooms. And you are comparing her to guys that can do 15-20k cap amphitheatres?

This isnt just about how funny.. she just doesn't have the footprint in todays world to command Dave & Chris $

Now if you compare her to say Iliza Shlesinger who has similar metrics.. if Netflix paid HER way more money for her special.. then you could 100% say its a problem.

Kidman able to negotiate a record-breaking $1,000,000 per episode from HBO with her measly 6 posts and <500,000k followers on IG??

https://www.instagram.com/nicolekidman


I mean I'm sure that sort of thing helps, but you guys read like you're going to every length possible to justify Mo'Nique being paid embarassingly less than her white peers.

And yes, I'll call Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon Mo'Nique's peers, if we're gonna talk about what Academy-Award winning actresses can command for TV work..

You should not conflate the two..

A comedy special is a one off event based on a single person (and only their bankability).. a movie or tv has a budget and you are negotiating within said budget.

I think that there are two issues... Monique isnt as hot AND her team is not built to negotiate the best deals in her favor.. her husband definitely has her best Interests at heart but he may not know how or who to play the game with out here...

Nicole Kidman is literally at ever awards show and always shot on red carpets.. her social media may not show it but no one would doubt in an older female demo she is iconic. you pulled her ig and that bitch is almost at half a mil and she started it earlier this month.

to Schumer's, Rock's and Chappelle's...

she's been in the syndicated shows, she's been on tour, she's been in films, and she's won more awards than all of them.

There is definitely a dark side to why they sought her out and low-balled so dramatically. I really don't think it boils down to social media presence, alone.

I mean that Joanne the scammer dude has an IG following closest in number to Chris Rock, lol. I would expect Netflix to offer HIM $500k for a special. Not an Oscar-winning actress.

The Oscar doesnt mean THAT much in the comedy space though... esp 7 years removed.

Monique has never been a hot commodity In the way that amy or dave or chris have been. She never hit that 10m a movie space or any of those crazy benchmarks (will smith, tom cruise 20m).

So when she is lukewarm her price is gonna be a lot less than other (more poppin in the past) folks lukewarm..

Kurtis blow is the man.. recognized amongst peers as having a hand in this 80s rap shit. But he will always command way less than Run DMC or Run or DmC solo... they reached that rarified air where they dont have to leave the house for less than a certain amount....

Monique aint hit that

count.

Even still: The undervaluation Monique is speaking out against is directly correlated with that inability to command 8 figures.

The fact that we're talking about celebrities doesn't change the dynamics of how this sort of thing works.. Nobody goes, well female developers earn 30% less than their male counterparts for the same code as the justification. It's the problem.

That's the point of speaking up. That's why she's characterizing what happened with Netflix as an intersectional (gender, race) bias. That's why she's brought up other instances of entire black casts not earning what one white actor gets paid. This is what pay disparity looks like.

a well respected actress. Of course she was able to command that kind of money to come to tv are kidding me. Yeah tv is up there with movies quality wise but moving from movies to tv and back per project is still a fairly new thing and is only going to happen more. Why you think it was a big deal for True Detective. Please stop putting monique in the same convo with these giants lol
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winning an Academy Award for her role in a dramatic film, as those women did?

And do you think those other reasons may correlate with why a black actress like her may not be as visible on red carpets? (here's a thought, maybe she DOES walk those same red carpets but just isn't photographed/celebrated/named on best dressed lists..)

Furthermore, Reese and Nicole did not start off their series at that compensation level. Their deal made news because they were able to negotiate up from what they earned during the first year, which was ~$250k-$350k per episode.

Giants?? Please. Because of Legally Blonde (2001) and Eyes Wide Shut(1999)?

Do you want some sunglasses to go with your cape?

She was a comedian turned actor... those are never as respected as a for real theatre kid turned actors...

In fact I think that is part of Chappelle's appeal in their circles.. besides being a wunderkind comedian he can talk their talk cuz of performing arts HS

I dont know what to tell you though if you think that 1 movie and an ok sitcom should make Monique super respected in the space...

Also if your previous comment was to fat shame or make a statement on race I bet that gabourey sidibe is shot on every carpet she is on.

gain respect, than why not? (She's been in more than 1 movie, but whatever)

>
>I dont know what to tell you though if you think that 1 movie
>and an ok sitcom should make Monique super respected in the
>space...
>


Again, this is the hardest I've ever seen folks go to "justify" a pay gap, and it's just sad. Undervaluing black women and our contributions is normalized. The community has a long way to go.

In 2018, who is a bigger money draw? Amy or Monique? Not who do you like more, because I like Mo a whole lot more than Amy, but you have to be on that good shit to think Monique would sell out MSG by herself these days.

from though. I think I fall more inline with.. Schumer has superhuman representation who got her more than I think she should have, and Mo'Nique is being undervalued and got low-balled. I would have expected them both to be negotiating in the 7-figure range, if that's the window female comediennes can land in nowadays. I believe there's some underlying gender/race/age-related bias as to why even that was not the case.

But I also don't think MSG's a fair metric because they have such egregiously different demographics. It's kind of like asking "Who would sell out MSG.. Cardi B or Erykah Badu?" And using that as the barometer for their career productivity.

Which is also why I proposed somewhere else in the thread that perhaps a Netflix special was never even a good fit for Mo'Nique. And her aversion to promotional activity definitely hurts her too, since that diminishes her leverage, negotiation-wise. In this day and age even if you have receipts.. you have to continuously remind folks or you lose credibility. People even questioned whether Beyonce could sing after that anthem incident, lol

I'm using it strictly to talk about draw. Netflix is throwing out these offers based on what they think they can earn off you at this moment in time. Mo is a more talented comic than Amy, Amy is a bigger draw, hence $$$$.

your trippin..

Chris and Dave have made groundbreaking and Iconic material...

There isnt one joke that you can name from a Monique stand up that has pierced the cultural zeitgeist like they have..

lol

Wild (2014) was nominated for basically every award show for hef performance not to mention if you are going to try and go back to a movie that help get her fame to try and discredit her acting chops she won best actress in 2005 for Walk The Line. Kidman won the previous year for The Hour.

When cherry picking goes wrong. Please fall all the way back you dont want none with actual facts. I know you gone this far commited to Moniques dillusional theory of what her relevance in 2017 is but the facts dont line up and you have resorted to cherry picking old abd bad movies not to mention they have made tons of money for studios and have proven so over their career. Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her delusion of grandeur.


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to talk to me this way?

Last I checked this is a messageboard. I'm allowed to voice my perspective, especially on a topic like this, as a black woman.

I was about to inquire why you aren't equally outraged by the significant cherrypicking in this thread to discredit Mo'Nique (including in your very own response, as if Nicole and Reese are the only industry award nominees OR winners out of the 3 - a commonality I was quite clear in acknowledging repeatedly), but I'll pass. I don't entertain you misogynisto types when you start foaming at the mouth like this. Good bye.






>Wild (2014) was nominated for basically every award show for
>hef performance not to mention if you are going to try and go
>back to a movie that help get her fame to try and discredit
>her acting chops she won best actress in 2005 for Walk The
>Line. Kidman won the previous year for The Hour.
>
>When cherry picking goes wrong. Please fall all the way back
>you dont want none with actual facts. I know you gone this far
>commited to Moniques dillusional theory of what her relevance
>in 2017 is but the facts dont line up and you have resorted to
>cherry picking old abd bad movies not to mention they have
>made tons of money for studios and have proven so over their
>career. Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you
>like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her delusion
>of grandeur.
>
>
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>
>to talk to me this way?
>
>Last I checked this is a messageboard. I'm allowed to voice my
>perspective, especially on a topic like this, as a black
>woman.
>
>I was about to inquire why you aren't equally outraged by the
>significant cherrypicking in this thread to discredit Mo'Nique
>(including in your very own response, as if Nicole and Reese
>are the only industry award nominees OR winners out of the 3 -
>a commonality I was quite clear in acknowledging repeatedly),
>but I'll pass. I don't entertain you misogynisto types when
>you start foaming at the mouth like this. Good bye.
>


Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you
>>like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her
>delusion
>>of grandeur.
>>
>>

If you are going to continually and blindly stick to a point rather than talk about what your real issues are on the subject just because you went this hard for it be prepared tfhe other side eventually to be done playing that game and calling you out on it with zero fucks.

Its a message board. It's the internet. We dont always play nice. It's not serious that shit was kid gloves. Grow a set get some thicker skin? *shrugs*


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so, you want the lady above that you DID say it to...to grow a pair?

Oh dear

He is consistent, if nothing else.

If 500k is too low for her, she should shop around to get more money.

Heck even she can't get a deal she can go the CK Louis route and create her own special and sell it directly to the public. I think CK Louis said he cleared about 250K after he got his special out there directly.

And I am not a libertarian free market person in general but Comedians are different from other entertainers like actors who need Hollywood to eat because they are one man/woman show and they can always fall back on touring or doing their own thing.

She wants to prove she is worth bigger bucks, go on the road and pack arenas.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

For those saying Mo'Nique hasnt had any flagship content in years.. isn't that kind of a weak argument considering 'Chappelle's Show' ran for only 3 years back in the mid 2000s, followed by a couple DVDs of the same content and his Block Party? Furthermore, Chris Rock's 'I think I love my Wife' came out in '07, making it even older than Precious, and Chris Rock did not receive any award nominations for that film.

In contrast, only 8 black actresses have won Academy Awards, EVER. In almost a century. And Mo'Nique is one of those women. Then imagine, she was paid only $50,000 (!!!) for a movie which she won an Oscar/fifty-eleven industry awards for. There are OKPs who grossed more than Monique that year. She might have earned less than the guy holding the damn boom mic. Compared to the amount of money thrown around in that industry? That's insane.

She then referenced that 'Almost Christmas' movie that came out.. starring Danny Glover, Gabrielle Union, Kimberly Elise, Omar Epps, etc. Not a blockbuster hit, but still (we've seen with 'Precious' that doesn't matter anyway). She said they all earned a COMBINED SALARY of less than a million dollars (!!!) And these are not half ass black stars! These are established black celebrities in the entertainment industry being paid like this. Recall also that Gabrielle Union had to file a lawsuit against BET regarding her payment for Being Mary Jane.


Interesting, also, people questioning Mo'Nique's management. She speaks on management in the Sway interview, the differences she noticed between being represented by a black man (who's also her husband) in contrast to when she had white representation. She says the numbers were low then, just as they are now, but with white representation there was always this "we'll get you more on the next one" *finger gun* bs. Meanwhile her husband actually questions the low numbers and advocates (which is the actual job, no?); and according to their experience these companies never have justifications and resort to discrediting the black artists' relevance because throughout history, MANAGERS HAVE NOT BEEN RIGOROUSLY QUESTIONING THESE NUMBERS. They/wack-ass management have just been taking it. Which then maybe explains how these award-winning black actresses grind for decades (or few years, in Lupita's case), and go ghost after they win. They're probably like, waiting on these salary bumps that are supposed to come after winning an Oscar and slowly realizing.. "Oh, black actresses don't get that salary bump"...

All of this is some bullshit. Unequivocally. How can yall twist yourselves inside out to defend it?? I do regret that Mo'Nique went right for demanding boycott out the gate, because I think that sort of action tends/needs to sprout organically in this day and age. I also think the demographic that would most relate/care about where she's coming from probably skews slightly older than the Netflix demographic.

Perhaps a better approach would have been just to drop all of the truth bombs she dropped in that Sway interview and focus on publicizing that? Naming the names, the salary figures, the companies, all that. Timing would have worked in her favor considering the recent buzz about treatment of women in the entertainment industry, PLUS Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman inking the biggest checks for women in TV history recently. Black women ARE routinely undercompensated across industries.

I don't even really watch TV/Netflix so I personally can't help Mo'nique out. But I definitely side with her here. And I think she's very brave for taking the fall to speak out.

Ugh. #endrant.

>For those saying Mo'Nique hasnt had any flagship content in
>years.. isn't that kind of a weak argument considering
>'Chappelle's Show' ran for only 3 years back in the mid 2000s,
>followed by a couple DVDs of the same content and his Block
>Party? Furthermore, Chris Rock's 'I think I love my Wife' came
>out in '07, making it even older than Precious, and Chris Rock
>did not receive any award nominations for that film.

The circumstances of Dave's departure from the spotlight, in addition to the extremely high level of reverence for his work by an incredibly large number of people across all demographics, combined to make his return an event of rare proportion in comedy.

Chris's last comedy special was a huge deal on HBO and was very well received. He's a tier-1 icon with several memorable specials to his name, so, once again.... his return is viewed as an event.

These aren't gymnastics, just basic context clues that Monique can't match. Yes, she win that Oscar....and then got blackballed right after.its night and day

lol


edit: It's clear that Rock and Chapelle are damn near immortal beings among the (predominantly male) OKP demo, so I think it's best for any defense of Mo'Nique to not focus on trying to diminish their accomplishments. I'm not. I was merely pointing out that one could apply some of the criticisms made of Monique's content (mostly its age) to Rock and Chappelle.

It sounds like you are refusing to acknowledge the difference between facts and that you like her. Doesnt matter tho. If you were netflix running a business you wouldve made rh same decision, netflix is doing well for these reasons not because they are handing out free money. The bottom line is their bottom line. She doesnt hace the relevance or buzz to bring in the numbers that would make sense. She and her team should acknowledge that, take the money and show and prove OR take their business else where to show and prove and create their own leverage next time they approach a network. Its simple. Shes getting in her own way and its the story of her career since she had the platform.
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in my mouth please, thanks.

Again, why this board is so eager to cosign a gross pay disparity is beyond me. It does not help black entertainers, or even black professionals in the long run at all.

I'm aware that Netflix was after their bottom line. Where I side with Mo'Nique is on the underlying sexist and racist reasons why a black woman with an equivalent, or in this case even longer, resume than her white or male counterparts should just "shut up and take" compensation 2%-5% (!!!!) of what those counterparts are paid.

Fuck that the long way. This situation is not unique to Mo'Nique, or even her industry.

Further, Monique got a lowball offer, but the offer she got has absolutely zero correlation to what Dave and Chris got.

And that's the point: she shouldn't have used them or Schumer in her argument for why hers was so low, unless she thought they were on equal footing.
A
Further, Dave and Chris being "immortal" to a male, OKP audience is a drastic understatement, considering they DID get that big payday.

Also, you really can't disagree with me.on Dave. You can, but the facts support my take, not yours. He's been enigma since he left, and not just because he left behind a mountain of money. It's due to the level of material and popularity he had attained to be offered that money to begin with.

Mom's argument for more fails because she tried to tie her offer to two all-time greats and one who looked as though she was on a meteoric rise at the time.

Her argument should be based on whether she can drive enough veiwership to justify her price tag.

He started touring small venues and eventually bigger ones for a good while prior to Netflix's offers to him. He showed Netflix that he was still in demand. Monique should've taken the pay, showed out on her special, promoted it hard, and worked until she had the needed leverage to get more money.



Since 1976

a thing about uncompensated promotional activity.. it's what lead to her fallout with Lionsgate/Lee Daniels/Tyler Perry etc, according to her interview (after only being paid $50,000 for her role, they kept pressuring her to do hardcore road time/promo for free)

She seems a bit fatigued/over the bullshit.. like I don't even think she would have had the heart to put in that legwork beforehand, as Dave did. So there is that.

That offer was still an insult though, lol. If they would've at least cracked 7 figures for her it wouldn't have come across as such a slap in the face. She probably would have still complained because of Schumer, but it wouldn't have been so 'shut up and take this, ho'

We gotta be ALL the way real..

Monique IS justified in being angry or fed up (in general) she is the last BIg black female comic from 90s-00s.. and she was on a syndicated TV show AND she has an Oscar.. And she STILL HAS to compete everyday because thats not enough to clear the hurdle...

I don't think anyone in the thread is going to say black women dont have it 20x as hard as anyone else in any field..

But the reality is her place in the culture even with all the accolades is a larger systemic issue that netflix cant or shouldn't solve. Her numbers and her position in the game are all a result of that basic issue

On this, we can agree. lol

just honing his craft and living on the road

No matter how much you prove they are wrong about Monique they keep changing it up.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif?itemid=9264828

I'm bout to give up

Btw you hit the nail on the head with this

"Again, this is the hardest I've ever seen folks go to "justify" a pay gap, and it's just sad. Undervaluing black women and our contributions is normalized. The community has a long way to go."


Over a year ago another thread on this board about Black actors and actresses pay vs White actors and actresses. Just like clock work excuses were used and removed and then used again. You could count ratings, then you couldn't, then you use awards, then you couldn't.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13079028&mesg_id=13079115

classy.

I get the direction you are going with your post, but, Dave and Chris are comedic canon at this point. We're still talking about their jokes/witty observations.

Mo'Nique? I can't remember a single joke from her.

That and that she would dog skinny chicks out. I can't remember anything witty and intelligent from her. I don't recall her for having more than in your face, broad humor. She may have some intelligent, witty material, but I can't remember any of it. Not so with Dave and Chris. I can easily remember bits from them.



Since 1976

I don't think she should get what Amy/Dave/Chris get, but they definitely should've come much, much better.

I, however, am so not here for her tactics. She really does herself a disservice and the validity of her points get lost.

https://www.facebook.com/KevOnStage/videos/10155165021293309/?hc_ref=ARRXGHCsPE99xgZruv-8krTThmgStzS0wmsK9rHXGSFL7qx6E5I86Ntjt8l8k-HYehA

while I can appreciate some of her skills, she’s never been that great in my opinion.
neither has Wanda.

I understand being upset but asking folks to boycott Netflix?

For why?

Just airing your grievances like this and asking for a boycott is not good business.

Even Schumer's show is hit or miss.

and they love her AND some Black people really like her too.

I never got the hype.

Monique is funnier to ME but I’m Black and older so..

just stating why i won’t support her. It’s an unfair play of the race card.

when the fuck did this start?

Maybe it's stockholm syndrome

It’s Trin tho... she different.

if they willing to kick out $11m's for trash
$5 M's for a dude with prolly the same size audience as Nique (Deray)
$20M's for those at the top of the game....
who knows how much to Chris Tucker and Kat

old girl and Wanda should have gotten a lil more based upon resume
since they are paying based upon resume....and not who's poppin

but it hasn't been verified

i originally saw it posted as a joke

She ain't a victim, she just doesn't have the negotiating power and draw to command more money. Skip over the fact that she got a 1/2 million offer for her very own special.

Meanwhile, there's some other artist out there really being screwed-over, but this noise makes it much harder to hear them.

1-I'm sure if we pulled receipts, there's a few comics that don't have the pedigree and probably got similar deals or better from Netflix.

2-Chris Tucker. I don't care what he did in Rush Hour and Friday. His standup has sucked for yeeeeaaars and he was out the game outside of "Silver Linings Playbook" and (according to Murph, so, if true) got 2 mil from netflix in 2015 because...they liked Rush hour a lot?

3-She does have poor representation. Things shouldn't be handled this way and they could approach it better. I'm sure she's played a role in how things have gone but I'm sure 'America' has played a role in this too.

4-Netflix approached her...they should have been willing to negotiate. If she approached them, I'd say, they paid her what they thought she was worth.

5-There's a bunch of goal post moving going on in here. If you don't like her or her comedy cool, but let's stop acting like she isn't probably top 5 or hell top 3 black female comedians all-time based on pedigree. Name 4 who have accomplished more and are still active...Whoopie? Now, name 3 who do it with stand up. Exactly.

6-#5 is why I get where she says, if she takes this deal, it hurts all black female comedians after her. If they not gonna pay her on her pedigree...what could Tiffany Haddish expect?

7-Wanda Sykes just threw a bomb on the whole sitch by saying her offer was even lower. Is Margaret Cho still a big deal? What they paying Margaret? What are they paying John Mulaney? Sarah Silverman? What was Aziz getting on the first 2 specials (3rd makes sense)?

8-I could have been your cellmate is doing numbers probably and that's likely why they reached out:

https://www.womenincomedy.org/single-post/2016/1/9/Top-10-Female-StandUp-Comedy-Shows-to-CheckOut-on-Netflix

...not to mention...

9a-Her last Box office movie (late 2016) was the third highest grossing film she's been in: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=monique.htm And though that film wasn't that good IMO, SHE stole the whole show and was probably why anyone liked it. AND it was comedy...not drama.

9b-Schumer's last film: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=motherdaughter.htm

And Monique actually was only supposed to have 6 lines lol. Did more with much less.

10-Her lifetime movie gross is almost a quarter of a billion dollars

11-She still tours successfully

12-She got an Emmy nod for Bessie (2015). And has an Oscar under her belt.

Her offer should have started at 2 mil and been negotiable up to 4/5 mil.

I think the biggest issue here is marketing and representation. She needs better people in her corner but I in no way think she's wrong.

calling for a boycott...
And after watching the interview...it's even clearer that management might be her biggest issue. It's still a game out here...and you have to play the game...
Actually...you have to decide IF you want to:
A : Play the game.
B:Get out the game.
C:Change the game.

Only one of those options affords you the luxury of speaking your mind and going nuclear.... If you choose that option, then you gotta know that you pretty much have to start your own NEW game now.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

She's like old rappers now. They get good money doing it on their own and have the occasional mainstream flare up that keeps them wavy for a minute.

So being independent, I think she's going to speak her mind. I just think she chose a poor strategy.

Simply putting the info out there might have been better. Let people create their own conclusions and ask other black/female comedians to contribute (a la Wanda) so the public can see the discrimination.

Netflix said they don't rely on resume but then quoted resume for Rock, Chappelle and Schumer when asked why they got their offers. Called the latter legends.

Then netflix called her a legend as well. Huh? Then why weren't they willing to negotiate an offer THEY brought to HER?

but it's Netflix tho..

I don't like R Kelly but I fux with Your Body's Callin.. that shit hot. It's possible to support but not give in to ridiculous demands.

As a woman, I'd think you'd see it the same.

If you've been at your company for 15 yrs, won awards, still putting up good numbers/performance and you see people who don't have the same track record getting more simply because they are younger or the right exec took a liking to them due to their race (not obvious but implied)...are you going to sit idly by and say "if I said anything, it'd be race baiting".

Only claim you'd have is your resume with the company which you know stacks up. If they told you 'resume doesn't matter' and then you asked why they favored the others and they listed those people's resume...wouldn't you feel like there was something else at play?

I dunno. I think for who Monique is in the grand scheme of things, $500K was a low ball introductory offer.

I guess the difference is I wouldn’t leave the bosses office and ask folks to boycott. she not a pillar of the black community in my opinion.

I’m a woman
I’m black
but I don’t blindly support because of that...

Damn just when you think it can't get worse.

You can't say that race and gender didn't play a part in this decision.

You also can't say that basic business didn't play a part in this decision.

You can't have just one

>You can't say that race and gender didn't play a part in this
>decision.
>
>You also can't say that basic business didn't play a part in
>this decision.
>
>You can't have just one

Is that the race card ? Do you think reverse racism exist ?

the fuck is going on in here?

Clayton Bigsbly

bring others into it. why didn’t you ask me directly since I said it?

Either way please elaborate on the race card.

you can’t compare yourself to other black folks and then scream racism.

compared to Schumer.

call up some of your niggas, ask how many would go to a Monique concert. Then poll your white friends...

numbers won’t lie Leg’s

the bottom line ain’t nobody paying Monique ass over $500,000, hear her complain about Oprah, Lee Daniels and Tyler Perry.

They are the type to go see Katt Williams too.

Do you remember I’m from Pittsburgh? Home of the interracial dating scene?

Most wouldn’t watch Amy Schumer for free.

>call up some of your niggas, ask how many would go to a
>Monique concert. Then poll your white friends...
>
>numbers won’t lie Leg’s
>
>the bottom line ain’t nobody paying Monique ass over
>$500,000, hear her complain about Oprah, Lee Daniels and Tyler
>Perry.
>
>
>
>
>

Celebrities and Uncle Ruckus like sheriff Clarke are treated different than the majority of Black folk by the same system it doesn't mean it's not racism.

It’s like football fans who say an owner can’t be racist because he has Black football players.

Bullshit.

Oprah rich so blacks good.

Nothing to see here, it's not racism.

Trin said Obama being elected was all the hope and change we needed as Black folk.

Yeah I remember that Obama comment.

As I have said a few times here, gender and race likely played a part in that initial lowball offer. But that wasn't by any stretch of the imagination the only reason the offer was lower than she expected. You have to look at both factors. If this was JUST about race and gender, fine. Call for your boycott. But it's not and never was

This is before you you factor in whether Mo'Nique was doing a bit much with her comparisons to other artists (contract and/or talentwise) or her assertion she's the most decorated comedian alive (unless she has an EGOT we don't know about).

So yes, she's fighting with one arm behind her back because of how the system is. Not her fault and she's right to be mad at that. But she seems to shoot herself in the foot by not having a good business case herself for what she can bring in and making comparisons she doesn't quite match up with. That part she can control.

you believe Monique speaking out against racism is playing the race card ?

>As I have said a few times here, gender and race likely
>played a part in that initial lowball offer. But that wasn't
>by any stretch of the imagination the only reason the offer
>was lower than she expected. You have to look at both factors.
>If this was JUST about race and gender, fine. Call for your
>boycott. But it's not and never was
>

When you say race likely played a part in the lowball offer that's the same as saying a woman is kinda pregnant. Racism doesn't have to be only the reason, once you admit it is there, Netflix has no credibility on any of the other excuses they used to justify the lowball offer. How do you trust anything they say or did, if they are discriminating against Monique because she is a Black woman ?

>This is before you you factor in whether Mo'Nique was doing a
>bit much with her comparisons to other artists (contract
>and/or talentwise) or her assertion she's the most decorated
>comedian alive (unless she has an EGOT we don't know about).
>

How does any of that become bigger than Netflix using Monique's race and gender against her ? If she is doing too much or self sabotaging, then why don't you say racism played no part in it at all ?


>So yes, she's fighting with one arm behind her back because of
>how the system is. Not her fault and she's right to be mad at
>that. But she seems to shoot herself in the foot by not having
>a good business case herself for what she can bring in and
>making comparisons she doesn't quite match up with. That part
>she can control.

How can a good business case make a difference when system is the problem ? She is being judged before she presents her case. Are you saying she has to be the perfect comedian to get a fair offer ?

If your stance is she got low balled only because she's a black female comedian, I understand your position. Wouldn't agree with it, but can accept your thinking.

If you believe that there are any other factors that came to play with that offer, than your stance looks a little shakier. I don't even think Mo'Nique believes it's all about race and gender, but also has to do with her supposed legendary status. Otherwise, why go on about being the most decorated comedian alive (which, come on, she's not)?

I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is racist/sexist'. I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way, and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.

>If your stance is she got low balled only because she's a
>black female comedian, I understand your position. Wouldn't
>agree with it, but can accept your thinking.

Now that I answered you have an unanswered questions from my previous reply.

Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias, playing the race card ?

>If you believe that there are any other factors that came to
>play with that offer, than your stance looks a little shakier.
>I don't even think Mo'Nique believes it's all about race and
>gender, but also has to do with her supposed legendary status.
>Otherwise, why go on about being the most decorated comedian
>alive (which, come on, she's not)?
>

I disagree, saying that it is more than race and gender does not mean race and gender are not the main thing. My stance would still be strong. The reason I said you can't say race was "likely" a factor for the lowball offer, is based on the fact when you use "likely" you are downplaying the influence and impact of racism in the offer.

>I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is racist/sexist'.
>I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way,
>and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't
>going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.

I think it's hard to prove how important the other factors are when we don't have enough information on them. We have plenty of data on racism and pay inequality though. You didn't have to say it I know you will not stop watching Netflix.

>Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias,
>playing the race card ?

No, I don't think she's playing the race card


>
>I disagree, saying that it is more than race and gender does
>not mean race and gender are not the main thing. My stance
>would still be strong. The reason I said you can't say race
>was "likely" a factor for the lowball offer, is based on the
>fact when you use "likely" you are downplaying the influence
>and impact of racism in the offer.

I don't think race and gender were the main thing at all, nor am I downplaying it at any point. Just because I don't think race was the only or main factor in this doesn't mean I'm downplaying it one bit. But looking at Mo'Nique's own explanation and examples she gave, I don't think it was as much about race and gender as you do

>>I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is
>racist/sexist'.
>>I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way,
>>and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't
>>going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.


>I think it's hard to prove how important the other factors are
>when we don't have enough information on them. We have plenty
>of data on racism and pay inequality though. You didn't have
>to say it I know you will not stop watching Netflix.
>

You're right. We don't have all the info on who draws what in the comedy world. But we DO have info on the 3 comedians Mo'Nique brought up, and she doesn't have the draw of either of them. If she did, it would be easier to ride with the gender/race being the biggest issue. But she doesn't so there's that

Anybody that wants to rally behind Mo and drop their Netflix account, go for it. Nobody trying to spend your money or tell you you're wrong. But don't try looking down your nose or saying black people don't stay together for those that do keep their Netflix accounts

>
>>Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias,
>>playing the race card ?
>
>No, I don't think she's playing the race card
>

We agree


>
>I don't think race and gender were the main thing at all, nor
>am I downplaying it at any point. Just because I don't think
>race was the only or main factor in this doesn't mean I'm
>downplaying it one bit. But looking at Mo'Nique's own
>explanation and examples she gave, I don't think it was as
>much about race and gender as you do
>

How can it be more about something besides race and gender if she mentions race and gender several times during the interview ?
She said “I am asking that you stand with me and boycott Netflix for gender bias and color bias ”


>
>You're right. We don't have all the info on who draws what in
>the comedy world. But we DO have info on the 3 comedians
>Mo'Nique brought up, and she doesn't have the draw of either
>of them. If she did, it would be easier to ride with the
>gender/race being the biggest issue. But she doesn't so
>there's that
>

Even if she doesn't have the draw of the 3 comedians that you mentioned, wrong is wrong. Race and gender bias is at the core.

>Anybody that wants to rally behind Mo and drop their Netflix
>account, go for it. Nobody trying to spend your money or tell
>you you're wrong. But don't try looking down your nose or
>saying black people don't stay together for those that do keep
>their Netflix accounts

If Blacks folk don't stand for something....

The majority is pushing back against Monique and her boycott anyway so I doubt the number of those looking down saying black people don't stick together is more than a handful.

I'm black tho.. so there's that.

Also have to remember this place likes Girls, Schumer and damn near every other white comedian I ain't never heard of.

yall really saying race card tho? We calling Black folk out for using the race card in 2018? This some Hannity bullshit.

appreciated and enjoyed her.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I stand by everything I said tho, I think she should have taken it, smashed it out the park and used it as a vehicle to get back in the game.

That being said, if she is eating good I can't knock her sticking to her guns. I wouldn't ask for a boycott tho.

Most I would do is tell them why I refused their deal.

>I'm black tho.. so there's that.
>
>Also have to remember this place likes Girls, Schumer and damn
>near every other white comedian I ain't never heard of.


^^^^^ All true some went hard for Kylie Jenner, Louie CK, Bill Maher

>yall really saying race card tho? We calling Black folk out
>for using the race card in 2018? This some Hannity bullshit.

Damn

Ill be more concise with a comment I said above..

Netflix aint the problem.. America is..

Monique got the proper internal stats... but America will always value her less (cuz she is a black woman) in all avenues.. because that value is lower... Netflix looks at stats and says well the value/audience ain't there so.. this is what we got.

You can barely name 10 women that America would agree is funny (regardless of race) of those 10 women maybe 40% do stand up. Of those 4 maybe 1 can do arenas solo (and that's SUPER recent).

That name wont be Monique's though and for many she may not be in that top 10. Its not because of her work ethic and accolades though.. its simply because of how we value female comedians and then value black women.

I'm sure all that shit just weighs heavy on her.. but public spats and airing out business dealings aint gonna fix ANY of it.

cause while I don’t think Amy is anything special I think most dudes are like “she chubby but cute”

Sure... prolly played in her favor though.. esp. for Funny people

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpsI8mWKmg <- this link is for content not just cuz Schumer

it's not comediennes fault

but looking to netflix to fix that or make offers that fix that is odd to me

i like the attention on the issue in general but the methods and the lack of reflection on the business side is wild to me

If 500k is too low for her, she should shop around to get more money.

Heck even she can't get a deal she can go the CK Louis route and create her own special and sell it directly to the public. I think CK Louis said he cleared about 250K after he got his special out there directly.

And I am not a libertarian free market person in general but Comedians are different from other entertainers like actors who need Hollywood to eat because they are one man/woman show and they can always fall back on touring or doing their own thing.

CK Louis will chill for a year then he will quietly start touring again.



She wants to prove she is worth bigger bucks, go on the road and pack arenas.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Y’all love that dude.

Plenty of Black comedians in her lane have gone indie and turned it into something. This is, Monique already had a show, has more than a few movies under her belt. It’s just she is Blac, big and caters to US.

distribute it to her paying fans?

Or you just stopped at the words CK Louis?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and the model you provided has already been done.

It’s not like she walked up to Netflix in some slippers asking for a deal. They came to her but I think they tried to play her. Prolly trying to make back some of that Schumer money they lost

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

desperate. She's just using this as an opportunity to shed light on more Hollywood B.S. I think that's the point folks are missing out on.
It's like if you aren't actively looking for a job, but a company comes to you and offers you 20% less than what you make now, and 70%less than what you KNOW you're worth...you gonna feel some kinda way. And if you have the platform, you probably gonna speak on it.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I get it that she is disappointed

but, if she were smart about it she would realize that simply being featured on one of the biggest growing platforms will bring a lot of attention to her brand

and

were I in her position I would take that money, put out a really really solid special, tour (if shes not already touring), get another hour going and then work on getting a second special up and going for more money - netflix does not publish or reveal numbers but if she did a damn good job and the response is there I'm sure she would be able to get more money.


shes kinda not been relevant for some years, this could be an opportunity to get popping again.

she could have rolled the new relevance the special brought to do things like being featured on Blackish or other shows and get her career charging.
Features on shows to her own show to more comedy stuff to a higher paying special on netflix.

still not a fan of asking for a boycott but I actually think Wanda is bigger and a cross over comedian. If she was offered less it’s obvious they don’t think Black women are worthy of real money.

she got what she negotiated. even if she wasn't funny, I wonder how big her ratings were cuz that's what Netflix is looking at.

I agree that Mo should've taken that money and used it to make some other moves. maybe come back to netflix later, if she still wanted that audience. or just say fuck it, I'll get my dollars elsewhere.

I think she was low balled too, but don't think she's in 10mil air right now.

That’s what I meant to say.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

i really dont think this is the rocket science yall are making it out to be. i bet they'd give Tiffany Haddish a good offer.

regardless, I bet Netflix would probably see a bigger return on Monique and Wanda than they would on Amy.

I'm not #boycottnetflix just yet...but I def. see where she's coming from.
There's also something that's not being talked about...

Netflix is making power moves in Comedy. It obviously wants to take over and be THE goto venue for comedy..standup comedy...and take the crown from HBO. The fact that they went to HER speaks volumes here. I'd have been insulted too. It's kinda obvious that they NEED a Black female comedian, and Mo'Nique is the OBVIOUS first choice...but how they gonna come with such an insulting figure??? They really do need her more than she needs them at this stage...in light of what Netflix is obviously trying to become.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

https://www.essence.com/2015/03/16/monique-hbo-more-money-bessie-career-lee-daniels-empire


Gonna agree with the 'bad business skills'

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Then again, she may have signed on before they got Oprah and Tyler Perry to give them that push they needed. There are tons of Precious type indie flicks that make peanuts.

But yeah, she prolly should have asked for a slice of the pie after it was released.

before Lionsgate came on board.....

granted....I don't know the ins and outs of renegotiation once something it picked up by a major like that....but she did say that the $50K happened specifically pre Oprah & Tyler.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

also kind of shady on Lee Daniels part IMO

It’s like working for a non profit who begs you to do it for he children. So you do it for a low offer. Then you find out they got a grant for 20 Mill or Oprah dropped off a bag of cash.

You want to help someone who's up & coming. They can't afford to pay you what you're worth. So you give them a big break on your pay. BUT you should always negotiate a deal for a percentage of whatever the project makes once it hits, say $10 million.

That way, you give your boy a nice break but you're not left in the cold if the project becomes a monster hit. Monique dropped the ball in crunch time with this agreement.

There's been a story floating around that Alec Guiness (Obi Wan) asked for something like 2% of the Star Wars profits. They say he made more off of that than all of his other movies combined.

>There's been a story floating around that Alec Guiness (Obi
>Wan) asked for something like 2% of the movies profits. They
>say he made more off of that than all of his other movies
>combined.

James Earl Jones is James Earl Jones. But if you didn't go on to bigger things, you gotta be kicking yourself for not getting a bigger piece of what ended up as one of the biggest franchises ever.

but that 1st one gotta kill him inside lol.

most of the profit on hit indies is almost always pocketed by the distributor (why they buy the rights to the film) and the producers (from the rights sale on the front end and/or back end share).

unless its an indie done by an actor who has enough faith to gamble on back end pay (or a known actor who commands a large chunk of the budget and/or back end).

Tyler- Monique, work this movie...promote it like crazy...if you get nominated, you'll earn 4-5 for your next picture. If you win, you'll get 6-7 million...guranteed...thats how the system works.

Monique-I dont work for free...


Oprah-Monique, I'm sending my private jet for you, what do we have to do to get you here?

Monique-I dont work for free...


You straight hustling backwards...they tryna tell you how it works, but you dont work for free...

okay, player..






Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Chris and Dave are two of the greatest ever.
Amy Schumer is still in her 15 minutes so that's why she got hers.
Seinfeld is fucking Seinfeld.
Louis was crazy hot when he did his.

Wanda at LEAST played it smart and got a better offer and she's equally unfunny to me.

I like them both better as actresses. I'm not sitting thru a special and Mo'Nique's way of handling it just cements her reputation of burning every bridge she's ever crossed.

It is what it is.

D

Despite what all the big ups for Mo'nique, Haddish is THE hot black comedienne right now.

What would be a fair number for her?

Couple milli

She is white hot..

Her stand up isn’t funny to me. It’s actually pretty weak but her movie and acting roles are fire.

what can she pull in an acting job if she decides not to do it?

are hbo/showtime etc. trying to get her?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

im assuming that was prolly negotiated before the glow up tho. i dont think a lot of people saw it either way.

*shrug*

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

i feel like some of her crazy isn't really an act lol...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

She just went full weird in that clip...lol..
But I can't really put my finger on it...just everytime i've seen her on tv, something just seems "touched" about her.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

any certain way about her. It was just extra and could have been left out, IMO.

most comedies like Girls Trip have incredibly stupid low brow humor.

Hall Pass was hilarious to me but I damn sure didn't think any of them were touched for having all those crude jokes in it.

her act already seems to be wearing thin a lil bit.

If we are using Schumer as the litmus. Haddish just needs a few feature films with her as the lead/co-lead.

-TV shows...check (Carmichael and her new one about to drop with Ced and Tracy Morgan)

-Tours...she's a hot topic now and people are clamoring to see her.

-Hit movie...check, and she stole the show from 3 more established actors. Not to mention it netted $140 mil at the box office (as much as Trainwreck).

-And don't let her get an Oscar nod for GT...$$$

But I don't think she'd get 6-7 mil from Netflix right today.

1-She takes people at their word (for their word??)

That Netflix guy telling her that "she's a legend too" was his way of not starting another fight with her. She's nobodies legend. Terence Newman has been in the NFL for 35 years, but he aint nobodies kegend. Longevity doesnt buy you a legends card.

2-She doesnt understand the difference between "I understand" and "I agree"

Just cause people understand your position doesnt mean they agree with it..so stop being mad at people cause they arent standing up.speaking out FOR you when they said they understood you. Oprah and nem told her "I understand" and at the same was thinking "You Big Dummy"






Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

legend...female richard pryor...most accomplished comedian alive...etc.

im sure people she is cool with tell her stuff like that. but she gotta have enough proper perspective to not believe it lol.

it seems like she has mentally built herself up into thinking she is obligated to be treated according to a level she isnt really at.

all of this is such an easy fix if she just had more realistic expectations and better management.

She blew up at a time when there werent many black female competitors, so she kinda got what she got cause...there wasnt much competition to give it to.

Sommore? Small Fry?


This is why all kids shouldnt get trophies.




Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Slim knew his role and his position, Cheese thought a little bit more of himself than his position indicated.

Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

Cause you don't even have to be that big of a celebrity.

You have like 5 people around you telling you that you the shit, get a few fans on the street saying you special and a gang of twitter followers doing the same....it's easy to think you can do anything.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Reach for the stars, Sis.

I FULLY support Black women articulating, requesting, and expecting to be paid what *they* believe to be their worth instead of being forced to accept relative peanuts and the valuation of people who make justifications that "you aren't______," when unjustifiable norms of gender and racial MEDIOCRITY--and NOT merit--are consistently paraded as a logical standard and rewarded in all manner of workplaces in ways that result in significant pay gaps.

It's insulting.

I don't know what Monique's desired "ask" range was, but a $500,000 offer is too low. A $250,000 Netflix offer to Wanda Sykes? Too low. I hope Monique and Wanda came back with counter-offers and delivered them with some bass in their voice.

It's funny to me that some people see it for Amy Schumer's $11 million even if they think she's not funny or talented or whatever else. I don't begrudge Schumer that money. She asked, she received.

Monique should ask and expect to receive, too. More Black women entertainers should follow suit. It's 100% justifiable, that many of them, solely based on their work, should expect more.

They low balled her but asking for a boycott is a bad idea because when no one follows your demands it makes you look like your pull is weak. What she needed to do was ask fans to flood Netflix emails with complaints about her offer or highlight how they lowball Black female comedians.

and I really dislike the Schumer’s and Lena Dunham’s getting top dollar for being so white. But like dude said, white women have the power to gentrify Brooklyn and raise rent prices in major cities.

He's funnier than she is, is a veteran comic who is also gay and likely got even less than that because his profile isn't huge outside of the alt or small comedy rooms. And he is a shit ton funnier than she is. Netflix's formula is hard to determine, but how many people are signing up or hanging on for a few more months to see an hour of Monique? Where are the Monique heads?

He is t funnier but he’s whiter than she is..

I think Netflix offers are based on how many white people find you funny

Also thinks it’s odd that you needed to point out he was gay.

>I think Netflix offers are based on how many white people find
>you funny
>

he was also one of the first to have an original Netflix movie so it makes sense. I think folks wanted to see if Netflix could pull it off.

White folks love that dude too.

how much people watch/search/etc your name, movies/shows/specials you are involved in, etc.

That's why I pulled the gay card; or is gay no longer a marginalized class? His gayness and how he came out was also a bit of a watershed moment in the modern comedy scene. And if you don't find him funny, that's cool. Lots of people do, enough for him to get a few book deals and Netflix-produced special for less money than Monique is apparently holding out for. Bottom line is Monique, in 2018, isn't getting near the money she may think she is due. If they approached her and offered her that money for a special and she said it was offensively low, cool, she doesn't have to do it. Other comedians will and have for less yet aren't trying to make some dumb movement over it.

I agree she shouldn’t have tried to start a movement. Would be better off just making her fans aware of what she considers a low ball offer. Average Monique fan will prolly never make 500K in their lifetime.. they ain’t giving up $10 a month for all those movies.

It’s like an athlete trying to get sympathy for a contract that’s only worth 50 mill. Cmon

of what Monique got offered. Black, female and gay equals less than $250K for a special. Wanda said "whatever" and kept it moving. Netflix' metrics are difficult to understand, but they pay for celebrity and "q rating". Monique has 151K twitter followers; Amy Schumer has 4.7M, Chris Rock has 5.3M. She can hoist her Oscar all she wants, those are the numbers Netflix really cares about.

if she was straight it wouldn't matter.

I think we have seen more than enough evidence Black women aren’t recognized when it comes to comedy.

Comedy Central has a top 100 and Wanda is the only Black woman on the list.

I don't think it had anything to do with being gay tho, that's just Netflix low balling Black women in comedy because the think they can.

Pimp just posted about Octavia getting 5 times her rate to do a comedy because a white woman went to bat for her.

Monique would have been better off reaching out to Amy. I bet mmy left foot if Amy said "this ain't right" they would come back with a better offer.

Mo'nique's price in 2017/18 for a Netflix special isn't a seven-figure value for the company; neither is Wanda, neither is Todd Glass, neither is insertanyroadcomichere. That likely has far more to do with her appeal and marketability for the platform and less to do with simply her race+sex.

Monique should take this one year qualifying offer, ball, and get the set for life deal. Monique is funnier than Amy so she has a point.

It's too much content to boycott Netflix over this. Now hiking the price and dropping me down to SD is bullshit but that's for another post.

doesn't not have a huge following a with white people. Wanda Sykes is more popular with white folks than Monique and she got offered less at an earlier time.

Doubt Monique's moves are affecting Tiffany at all

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/tiffany-haddish-hbo-1202675335/

like Orange is the New Black in order to stage a comeback. Then she should have used that as leverage for her comedy special. Because the talent is there, but you got to play nice (for now) until that public interest goes back up.

so she had a chance to tell her side again.

I got to thinking about SNL and how they never had Black females on the show until folks made a stink about it a few years ago.

Then the Comedy Central top 100 only has one Black female on their list. Wanda Sykes.

I think because most of us watched Def Jam we are familiar with Black women in comedy but as a whole I think they are severely ilackojg when it comes to roles in film and TV.

Netflix is a business so I get it but I also think it’s blatantly obvious they were trying to get over on Wanda and Monique. I’m sure Netflix would make a healthy return off those 2, probably much better ROI than Amy’s last special.

Monique also said a white manager told her the truth. Talent is replaceable but they have to keep their relationships with these production companies so they pressure you to take less money. She said her husband landed her biggest pay day and the criticism folks have for him is partially due to the fact he is her husband and he isn’t a white man.

She is in her feelings but I definitely see some truths in what she is saying.

I don't find fault with anything else she said, at all.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

it was obvious Netflix was being some hoes.

I def ain't boycotting Netflix. I cut the chord for a reason. She should have just made us aware of the pay gap and let folks make noise over it.

Someone else made a point about how Kevin Spacey cost Netflix millions


https://www.essence.com/celebrity/jada-pinkett-smith-monique-netflix-fair-pay


SYDNEY SCOTT Jan, 23, 2018

Jada Pinkett Smith is speaking out about fair pay following Mo'Nique's recent video calling for fans to boycott Netflix after they offered her $500,000 for a comedy special.

Smith took to Twitter, writing, "You don’t have to like Mo’Nique’s approach. You don’t have to agree with her boycott but don’t allow all of that to make you blind to the fact that non-white women and impoverished white women are underpaid, underrepresented and undervalued EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE."




You don’t have to like Mo’Nique’s approach. You don’t have to agree with her boycott but don’t allow all of that to make you blind to the fact that non-white women and impoverished white women are underpaid, underrepresented and undervalued EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE.

— Jada Pinkett Smith (@jadapsmith) January 23, 2018
She added, "As a community, we should be supporting the light she is shining on this truth."



— Jada Pinkett Smith (@jadapsmith) January 23, 2018
In a video shared to Instagram, Mo'Nique calls the company's offer an example of "gender bias and color bias," adding that celebs like Amy Schumer, Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle were offered millions for their specials.

Wanda Sykes also spoke out following Mo'Nique's video, ".@moworldwide, thank you for speaking out. @netflix offered me less than half of your $500k. I was offended but found another home. #EPIX"

.@moworldwide, thank you for speaking out. @netflix offered me less than half of your $500k. I was offended but found another home. #EPIX

— Official Wanda Sykes (@iamwandasykes) January 21, 2018
Further conversation was sparked after it was revealed that the streaming service took a $39 million after cutting Kevin Spacey, who was recently accused of sexual assault, from numerous projects. Film and television writer ReBecca Theodore-Vachon tweeted, "So many people arguing why Mo'Nique doesn't deserve to be paid what she's worth. Let's see if these same people talk about how these White dudes (Kevin Spacey, Louis C.K.) is costing Netflix losses in the millions."

ok. So many people arguing why Mo'Nique doesn't deserve to be paid what she's worth. Let's see if these same people talk about how these White dudes (Kevin Spacey, Louis C.K.) is costing Netflix losses in the millions.

— ReBecca Theodore-Vachon (@FilmFatale_NYC) January 22, 2018
Netflix is reportedly worth over $100 billion after shares surged on Tuesday, meaning the company is worth more than Viacom, CBS, Time Warner and 21st Century Fox.

Adwizz said Charlemagne claims it was 4 years ago, still less than 250k damn.

white folks love her

>but don’t allow all of that to make you blind to the fact that non-
>white women and impoverished white women are underpaid,
>underrepresented and undervalued EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE."

Everyone? FOH.

Nah fam.. this shit is everywhere...

I honestly don't know the answer to this

How much has she generated on comedy in the last two years?

How many views did her special that's ALREADY on Netflix get?

People point to her previous tv show sand Oscar win in a dramatic role over ten years ago as to why she should get $$$$ in 2018, but it's not like they're offering contacts as a lifetime achievement award, that should be based on current name value and how much they expect to make from streaming her special

I hope she is able to negotiate for more money, I don't know how effective THIS strategy will be.

According to Charlemagne from Breakfast Club the offer to Wanda was made four years ago, before Netflix got serious about the comedy game.

If $500k is too low, she should shop around. If no one else is offering anything better, the $500k is what her special is worth today.

so no one knows how popular her stuff that's on netflix is, and how it compares to whoever else, and she can't use that data to negotiate.

there's layers to it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I think Netflix overpaid Amy Schumer. Mainly because her special sucked. I think she was hot after her first couple of seasons of her show and maybe her first movie but her heat had died down by the time her special came out.

I am curious if they do more Chappelle and Rock typed deals. Only they know if those deals paid off. I wouldn't terribly be surprised if they did not. Chappelle specials have not been the cultural shifting, everyone talking about projects that you see something like Stranger Things being.

You can almost get the impression that those big specials aren't paying off because Netflix seems to be pivoting to smaller shorter specials.

Netflix is sort of a black box because at least with films you get to know box office numbers and get a sense of whether someone was overpaid or worth the money.

It's funny because I see so much on FB people speculating what these comedians should be paid but it really is pulling numbers out of thin air.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I think Netflix overpaid Amy Schumer. Mainly because her
>special sucked. I think she was hot after her first couple of
>seasons of her show and maybe her first movie but her heat had
>died down by the time her special came out.
>
>I am curious if they do more Chappelle and Rock typed deals.
>Only they know if those deals paid off. I wouldn't terribly
>be surprised if they did not. Chappelle specials have not
>been the cultural shifting, everyone talking about projects
>that you see something like Stranger Things being.

like...everyone. all races and pretty much everyone above 16 that i know. now who knows if they got mad new subscriptions off of it. but that and black mirror were the only reason i kept netflix all year cause it aint like i watch much else on it.

Everyone watched it but it’s not going to have the impact his CC show had because we all came in the next day quoting his skits from the night before.

Stranger Things is totally different. No need to compare the 2. The budget for each episode ranged from $6M to $8M.

Amy Schumer definitely got over given the reviews. I read multiple comments of fans of hers being disappointed and turning it off.

Monique pointed out that Schumer’s last movie only grossed 4 mill while Almost Christmas grossed 37 mill. Of course she didn’t use Trainwreck because that made big money. I think Schumer cashed out on them.

amazing how much you can be sure of based on no data at all.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

if she dont like it. go elsewhere and come back with your brand is popping and demand more.

for a special? What does that do to Monique? They could kill this whole issue right now. Then what?

haters wanna know!!!

More than Monique just based on her recent name value.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/tiffany-haddish-hbo-1202675335/

Tiffany Haddish has signed a first-look deal with HBO.

The two-year pact with Haddish and her She Ready production company comes on the heels of a breakout year for the comic, who won a New York Film Critics Circle best supporting actress award for her performance in 2017’s “Girls Trip.” Her book “The Last Black Unicorn,” released last month by Gallery Books, was named a New York Times best seller. Her new stand-up special “Tiffany Haddish: She Ready!” premiered on Showtime last year, and Haddish recently announced 2018 dates for her new stand-up tour.

Haddish will next star opposite Tracy Morgan in TBS’ “The Last OG,” which premieres in April on TBS. She will also star alongside Kevin Hart in Universal’s feature film “Night School,” set to premiere in September.

Among her other upcoming projects are starring roles in New Line’s “The Kitchen” and Universal’s “The Temp,” with Haddish set to serve as executive producer on the latter film. The comic also has “Limited Partners” in development at Paramount, and is set to star in and serve as an exec producer on the project. She recently wrapped production on “The Oath” alongside Ike Barinholtz.

Haddish is represented by Principato Young; APA; Gordon Bobb and Lily Tillers; and Dell, Shaw, Moonves.

glad she cashed in

what they used to be

damn near ALL comedians been running to the Netflix lane for the past few years

idk if HBO still kicks out that dough like they used to


hell...behind Netflix, Showtime is prolly the #2 lane for comedian's


interesting that she gets to HBO after the lackluster on showtime

LOL @ Monique supporters

With Tom’s audience i thought he would be getting at least a 1M but nah. And he also breaks down a little bit how and why they are paid or offered money. Monique def not geting more than Tom and that whole crew. If she is they should be thankful she was even offered that cause shes not popping like Rogan and them.

https://youtu.be/BehfAdKIWGg scroll to 7:35 mark

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he said 500K is good for her, she should take that.

he didn't really say what he was getting.

he said he didn't get Marlon Wayans money which I heard was 1.5-2M, so he could have gotten between 500K-1M.

i know one thing, his new one is CRUSHING anything Monique would put on there. that shit is HILARIOUS.

If you listen to his or bert’s podcast they are very open about offers from clubs etc


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IG @h_n_z

what he said "netflix increases your exposure and the amount you can can get from touring so whatever money offer you, take it"

isn't some secret.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

And he's a lot more known in comedy right now than Monique. Which is why he said take the money it wasn't an insult. The community built around Rogan and crew is huge. They aren't getting those offers and neither should Monique.

Stop being naive to what was said and why Desus asked the question. They know what that crew is doing. Watch or listen to Ali Siddiq's interview on Bert's podcast when asked if he's done Rogan. The way other comedians look at what they are doing is very telling.

Smh
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and the only reason you're interested in it is because of what you think of his status.

that's different than pretending that he said anything notable.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

We aint doing a tech talk where you think you know it all. Not happening here you loser. Go to reddit of you wanna keep that up.


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IG @h_n_z

but it wasn't tho.

we'll all be ok.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Not happening.
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IG @h_n_z

as you post with the headline "tom segura didn't get chris rock money"


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

it's just another voice saying the same thing.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Slow day. *shrugs*
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aren't what you were pretending mattered, and don't matter at all.

this changes nothing in any conversation.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

But again keep trying.


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IG @h_n_z

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/actress-mo-nique-suing-netflix-race-gender-discrimination-n1081436?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_blk


I'm clearly not a lawyer or anything, does she have any type of case/chance of getting paid?

in GREAT detail...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n2t7ww46mI&t=2m10s

geez

and Katt is a numbers guy.

like he said "what else can they go by"?

knowing your numbers, and reading your contract is how you prevent from being taken advantage of.

this is the biggest thing our culture struggles with. we want the money, and put the paperwork aside for later.....or pay someone to take care of the paperwork. only to claim we were robbed or taken advantage of later.

our culture is scared of math and it hurts us dearly.