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13226380, Diversity: how should it be measured?
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:13 AM
In particular, when talking about public schools.
When can a school system honestly say it has a diverse student body? What would the makeup need to be?
I live in super white Arlington County VA... And the school system STAY perpetuating a lie that its school is made up of a diverse population. It was recently named the top school system in the entire state of Virginia...and diversity was one of the metrics it was measured on.
I call bullshit just based on the strength that it thinks a large hispanic population = diversity...


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13226388, anything that isn't white is considered diverse
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jan-17-18 09:24 AM
it's one of the things that has me scared as shit when it comes to "good schools"

I don't want to be in a white ass area but at the same time I don't want to be in the hood.

I think where we are right now is perfect. My wife works for the school system tho so we can pick any school in the system.

edit: 2 of my coworkers (one white/one black) told me of horror stories of being in the "good schools" in rich white areas. Rich kids stay with the best drugs and their parents shame the faculty into letting them get away with all types of shit.

white woman's daughter got hooked on the big H and the Black womans grand daughter came home with the valley girl "OMG, ewww, nappy hair" attitude.

Good luck.
13226392, So, if there are 8,000 white kids , 2,000 latino kids, & 1,000 other....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:28 AM
does that equal diversity?
My take is that it doesn't.
And my beef is when schools tout themselves as being diverse when you can simply look around and see that they arent'

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13226401, based on population in the US? I think that qualifies as diversity bruh
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jan-17-18 09:38 AM
but it's not the diversity EYE would prefer for my kid.

I'm trying to make sure it's at least 25% Black for my kids.

13226408, Yeah, that's where my beef lies I guess.. Maybe the definition should be
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:47 AM
tweaked?
Like, numerically I GUESS it qualifies...but damn...in practice, when you look around, shit feels way off...


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13226395, to your edit: yep, i've heard the same. Up here tends to be with the private
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:31 AM
private schools more so than the public though..

>it's one of the things that has me scared as shit when it
>comes to "good schools"
>
>I don't want to be in a white ass area but at the same time I
>don't want to be in the hood.

We kinda stuck in a white ass latino area if that makes sense lol...

>I think where we are right now is perfect. My wife works for
>the school system tho so we can pick any school in the system.

that's what's up!

>edit: 2 of my coworkers (one white/one black) told me of
>horror stories of being in the "good schools" in rich white
>areas. Rich kids stay with the best drugs and their parents
>shame the faculty into letting them get away with all types of
>shit.

Luckily we aren't in that extreme of a situation. It's more like there's a LOT of white kids...a GRIP of Latino kids...and a sprinkling of everything else. And most likely the kids that are black..are just black but not Black...

>white woman's daughter got hooked on the big H and the Black
>womans grand daughter came home with the valley girl "OMG,
>ewww, nappy hair" attitude.

Damn...
The hair thing...don't even get me started...shit starts WAAAAAY before school though.. Which is why I have major beef with Disney. Think I made a post about it years ago lol....


>Good luck.
Thanks..same to you!

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13226396, what if it's a black city? it's rare for (some) schools here to even have
Posted by ambient1, Wed Jan-17-18 09:32 AM
more than 2 or 3 white kids in the whole school
13226397, Yup. Same issue. Those schools shouldn't be advertising themselves
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:34 AM
as diverse...and I doubt they do right?


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13226403, good question...i don't think they 'advertise' as diverse
Posted by ambient1, Wed Jan-17-18 09:39 AM
13226406, Naw, my highschool is just about all black and it ranks very low
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-17-18 09:43 AM
on the diversity measurements.


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13226400, what numbers would be diversity to you?
Posted by tomjohn29, Wed Jan-17-18 09:38 AM
here are the Arlington county numbers

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Civil-Rights-Table-1-2017-12-7-web.pdf
13226405, Yeah, I was going to say, Arlington seems pretty diverse to me.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-17-18 09:42 AM

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13226410, that's my hangup. I see a LOT of white & hispanic when we look around
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:51 AM
but everything else is far & few in between.
So it just doesn't "Feel" diverse I guess.
And then, when you break those schools out by district, the numbers look worse because the "diversity" really happens more in the southern portion of the county where there's a high concentration of Hispanic and immigrant residents.



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13226412, latinos will be erywhere....so im pretty sure they are becoming the
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Jan-17-18 09:58 AM
measuring stick...like it used to be black folk.....they are multiplying and seems like our rate of multiplying isnt comparable...LA schools are predominantly latino...even in some of the suburbs...
13226413, I'm thinking the classification of "Diverse" should be a reward for exceeding
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jan-17-18 09:59 AM
exceeding the balance & distribution that exists in the country. It's almost like the term has no weight because it's based on a flawed sample set. Does that make sense? I'm still trying to articulate and understand this abstract notion that's in my mind right now.


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13226476, I think Arlington definitely exceeds the nation in diversity.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-17-18 12:23 PM
I think any place has a claim to diversity (racially at least) if no group is above like 65% and their is at least two other groups that are around 10%.

I bet there is no school that has like five groups of 20%.

(oh shoot, did a search and there are some colleges where the largest group is no more than 20%. that's cool).


Anyway, my goal for my kids is to not have more than like 65% white. Which is hard for the better schools in NYC.



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13226505, some try to use "diversity" to suggest "equality"
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Wed Jan-17-18 12:50 PM
>exceeding the balance & distribution that exists in the
>country. It's almost like the term has no weight because it's
>based on a flawed sample set. Does that make sense? I'm still
>trying to articulate and understand this abstract notion
>that's in my mind right now.


Like, "oh, we consider all viewpoints because we've got a little bit of everything included in our population."

But if that population is primarily dominated by one group (lets say 60% or more), then the views and perspectives of that group can easily overrule and stifle those of the minority groups.

So "true" diversity, to me, starts when no group is greater than 50% of the population and gets better the lower the percentage of the population the biggest minority group is.

My high school was pretty diverse compared to national demographics... 40% white, 40% black and 20% other when I was there. I had gone to majority white school before so it was refreshing to be around so many different black people, let alone *different* black people (which is hard to come by if you're just a tiny sliver of the population)... but I'm sure that 20% "other" had a different experience.
13226415, IDK I feel like any school in a good zone isn't about diversity
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Jan-17-18 10:03 AM
so if you're trying to find (or judging what's a good school) based on that then the more diverse the less likely the school is well funded or if you're lucky is average
13226463, Philly diversity == white & black people together.
Posted by flipnile, Wed Jan-17-18 12:12 PM
It's like that's all that matters for diversity.

To be fair, there are some schools with nearly 100% black students, so anything's more diverse than that.