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13164789, Bachelor on Paradise shut down over drunk nonconsent
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-12-17 02:43 PM
white girl says she didn't consent to sexual contact in the pool. She has a boyfriend at home and would NEVER do that.

WTF? Your own a show called...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bachelor-in-paradise-cast-upset-that-crew-members-let-sexual-incident-go-too-far_us_593ecd5be4b0b13f2c6cdc6b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Bachelor Nation is devastated as updates concerning the incident that halted production on Season 4 of “Bachelor in Paradise” roll in.

ABC and Warner Bros. suspended filming and sent home all cast members on Sunday after “allegations of misconduct,” reportedly between contestants Corinne Olympios and DeMario Jackson, emerged, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Warner Bros. said that they would be conducting an investigation into the situation and “will take appropriate responsive action” once it’s complete. But the cast and crew are already speaking out about what actually went down in Mexico.

According to TMZ, a field producer reportedly filed a complaint claiming Olympios was too drunk to consent to Jackson’s actions, which were allegedly sexual in nature, in a swimming pool. Sources close to Olympios told the site that she claims she did not agree to sexual contact and was “in a blackout state” when the incident occurred. Jackson, however, reportedly claims the hook-up was consensual.

Allegedly, fellow cast members told an unaware Olympios what happened in the days following the situation, explaining that crew members did not listen to them when they voiced concern. Production sources, however, tell TMZ otherwise.

Choosing to remain anonymous, one contestant told People that the cast is “pissed” and “angry” with crew members who allowed the inappropriate sexual encounter to happen.

“People are pissed, and not just at DeMario,” the contestant said, adding that two other cast members saw the interaction between Jackson and Olympios. “We’re pissed that this whole thing happened. They could have seen that she was drinking too much and that he was taking advantage. They could have stopped this before it got this far. But they decided to let it go, and let it happen, and see what happened? So, I’m angry at the show, and everyone else is too.”

Although the unfortunate situation has caused Warner Bros. to suspend filming on the show, Entertainment Weekly reports that “Bachelor in Paradise” is not necessarily in jeopardy. The investigation will need to be concluded “before any next steps,” ABC Entertainment Group President Channing Dungey told Entertainment Weekly.

“The show absolutely values the primacy of consent, and this instance it appears as though conduct allegedly occurred without the proper consent having been given,” a source within the show told People.

“Bachelor in Paradise,” which brings together former contestants of “The Bachelor” and “The Bachelorette” for another shot at love on the beaches of Mexico, was set to debut Aug. 8. This is the first time in its 15-year history that production has been halted on a show in the “Bachelor” franchise, aside from circumstances involving weather or location changes.

Some of the cast members have taken to social media to share their thoughts on the matter, but did not respond to HuffPost when asked for comments. HuffPost has also reached out to ABC, Olympios and Jackson for updates and statements.
13164793, Surprised it took this long
Posted by BigReg, Mon Jun-12-17 02:49 PM
When it makes sense (can't do that in a survivor type place) plying reality tv show 'actors' with alcohol is apparently a thing with show producers to try to catch off the cuff moments for years.

13164799, my boy worked as a producer on one of these shows
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-12-17 02:58 PM
said he spends all day at work drinking and feeding them drinks to loosen up.

13164808, i've read like 6 different versions of this story this morning
Posted by now or never, Mon Jun-12-17 03:10 PM
this the first one that said she was blacked out and implies that she don't remember anything
your boy demario need to lawyer the fuck up ASAP

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
13164814, Blackout drunk doesn't really settle it though
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Jun-12-17 03:20 PM
As a person who has many blackout drunk nights, it doesn't mean you are incapacitated or unconscious, it just means you don't remember anything that happened the night before.

Theres tape of whatever happened here so there shouldn't be a lot of doubt about what happened.



>this the first one that said she was blacked out and implies
>that she don't remember anything
>your boy demario need to lawyer the fuck up ASAP
>
>-----
>No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the
>American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13164817, the problem is folks said she was lucid
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-12-17 03:26 PM
so if she is responding like she is down with it how can he defend himself?

especially on a show that sounds like it's about hooking up
13164843, But you can argue that the other cast members say they could tell
Posted by BigReg, Mon Jun-12-17 04:05 PM
but I hate being this guy, looking at the trailer of the cast, having passively seen a few of those shows, knowing a nigga named Demario is gonna be a nigga, and knowing how Hollywood/LA racist the cast members and the production staff will most likely be...lets just say the unfortunate POSITIVE outcome of this is that Demario actually was trying to get his casper (c)Kids on and deserves to go to big boy jail for a long time.



13164961, could tell but didn't step in to stop it?
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Jun-13-17 09:02 AM
ionno, maybe I'm being cynical but it has the feeling of that "oh noes, I was with a Black man ON CAMERA so let me act like I don't remember what I was doing"

13164815, Really dumb question but shouldn't it have been on tape???
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-12-17 03:23 PM
13164877, Just because it's on tape doesn't mean consent is clear.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-12-17 05:23 PM
I mean, it might help clarify *some* things... but if she seriously didn't remember hooking up... that's a problem for the show. Big time.

I'm someone who loses memory when I drink too much, but I seem to remain astonishingly lucid. So it *could* happen. Not to say Corinne is definitely telling the truth... but I'm not going to question her version exclusively based on footage unless she's on camera *not* taking dumb amounts of shots for hours. (She prob is tho. It's Corinne.)
13164816, not shocked considering who it involved.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-12-17 03:24 PM
if someone asked me to guess which two people could something like this happen with, i'd pick corrine and demario.

he's a scuzzbucket and she's a borderline drunk.
13164823, She has a boyfriend, yet she was on the Bachelor show?
Posted by flipnile, Mon Jun-12-17 03:47 PM
Competing for a dude's attention?

Word?



This has nothing to do with the allegations in the article, I just don't understand some dudes nowadays.
13164827, Using her boyfriend as a shield is bullshit
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-12-17 03:50 PM
Not saying she wasn't too drunk but she said the fact she had a boyfriend is why she swouldmever consent because she wouldn't want to ruin that relationship.

Why the fuck you in paradise with single dudes if that's the case?
13164845, It's a check tho. Sadly that's the one part that makes the most sense
Posted by BigReg, Mon Jun-12-17 04:09 PM
People hop on these things with 'real' lives that don't jive with what they put on the show just for that check and a bit of fame.

My thing here is that it just smells so fishy; like the cast knows whats going on, the cameras know what's going on, after it happens they don't 'investigate' but let the show play on while she pieces together what happened when she was black out drunk?

Whatever scenario turns out to be true all I know is that it makes me lose a bit more faith in humanity, lol.
13164847, Or their actresses trying to Jumpstart their career
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-12-17 04:14 PM
Lot of these reality show people have agents and this is just a gig to get their foot in the door.
13164854, Yup. There was one dude on the boards years ago
Posted by BigReg, Mon Jun-12-17 04:26 PM
that was an actor on one of em.
13164846, A lot of ppl who go on the show have
Posted by StephBMore, Mon Jun-12-17 04:13 PM
boyfriends/girlfriends/what have you. they do it for fame. reality tv is an easy way to get on tv and become "known." it's all fake and no one really ends up together in the end. my ex's sister was on one season, she had a boyfriend, but she just wanted her modeling and singing career to take off. that's what all of these "date me" shows are about.
13164865, not ALL. my boy's ex won the Bachelor.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-12-17 04:50 PM
they happily married.

http://people.com/home/sean-and-catherine-lowe-house-tour-launch-furniture-line/sean-and-catherine-lowes-family-friendly-home

he was legit salty about it too cuz he thought he was gonna marry her one day.
13164926, GIve your boy my condolences. That's gotta be some rough shit....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Tue Jun-13-17 06:28 AM
13164931, Going to shop for groceries must be a nightmare
Posted by BigReg, Tue Jun-13-17 07:39 AM
Standing on line with the tabloid's facing you having her all on the front cover with her new beau, with that extra happy Photoshop editing, lol.
13164933, "Ayo Paul, I seen your girl on The Talk yesterday fam".......
Posted by FLUIDJ, Tue Jun-13-17 07:53 AM
Gotta be TERRIBLE hearing that....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
13164959, I wouldn't tell anyone that shit bruh...lol
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Jun-13-17 09:00 AM
13167506, he was trying to rekindle the flame when she got picked.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-17 10:33 AM
he found out and was trying to talk her out of the show and all this and she was just kinda playing him off which was a little foul on her part cuz some stuff she said was giving him hope when she really had no intention of being with him.

then when she popped up on TV that just set him off on some "fuck her" shit.

i don't blame either of them. i mean, i guess you can side-eye her a little for WANTING to go on reality TV (especially a show where if you win you're SUPPOSED to marry someone, lol) but my boy wasn't ultimately gonna hold a girl like her down like she needed.

they were on different paths.
13164874, That's rather commonplace, honestly.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-12-17 05:20 PM
13164829, of course it had to be corinne. i been watching too much UnREAL lol...
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Jun-12-17 03:52 PM
cause this shit seem manufactured af.
13164876, My dude is on next season of UnREAL.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-12-17 05:21 PM
He's either *the* Bachelor or the front-runner on a Bachelorette type season. Big role. I'm excited for it.
13164884, 'Role'.....exactly
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-12-17 06:09 PM
13164852, Seems to me the entire genre is a recipe for this sort of thing
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-12-17 04:24 PM
It's a recipe for some to take advantage as well as a recipe for others to have buyer's remorse.

I don't care enough to dig into the particulars of this specific situation but it just seems like these shows are ripe for a situation like this one.
13164855, on another board...
Posted by StephBMore, Mon Jun-12-17 04:27 PM
i read that both ppl were shown a video of the hook up during the confessional and were asked questions, and that's really how the girl found out about it. it wasn't the other cast members telling her. this is a secret insider board.
13164859, yeah more and more keeps coming out. not gonna end well.
Posted by now or never, Mon Jun-12-17 04:38 PM
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct-consent-demario-jackson.html
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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
13164888, What doesn't make sense to me is that cast mates she was
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-12-17 06:30 PM
In no Position to consent, yet they didn't intervene themselves
13164875, Hit me with the deets to that other board via inbox, lol.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-12-17 05:20 PM
I'm a giant Bachelor fan, and I need that insider shit, lol.
13164878, I don't watch these types of shows
Posted by rhchick, Mon Jun-12-17 05:37 PM
but is there money involved?

I'm trying to understand the real attraction to doing these types of shows.
13164879, replies #12, #13 money, low-level fame
Posted by c71, Mon Jun-12-17 05:39 PM
there is some kind of fame for doing these shows
13164887, I question this more and more
Posted by rhchick, Mon Jun-12-17 06:28 PM
I'm going to stick to Married at First Sight

13164897, I prefer Dating Naked (seriously)
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-12-17 07:30 PM
and for stupid shenanigans, MTV has Are You the One

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13164899, Dating naked is pretty good....would be better on hbo
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-12-17 07:56 PM
13164914, it would be hilarious on HBO
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-12-17 09:56 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167466, dating naked is hilarious. one of my friends was actually on it.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-21-17 09:53 AM
nobody even know she was gonna be on TV because she wanted it to be a surprise. im flipping channels and see her. call her up like "yooo why are you naked on my tv"
13164896, I ubered a car full of women going to an audition
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-12-17 07:26 PM
Ironically, they were going for the free drinks and free food

One girl had a BF and had her schtick down pat. All fluffy and filled with lies and shit. She was rehearsing in the car and her first phone rang and it was a producer who loved her video clip and wanted to make sure she was going to show up to the audition.

she had a boyfriend too.
13164904, Yo Crisco, dis dat Guerrilla-hustle Im talkin bout!
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Mon Jun-12-17 09:10 PM
Da fuck this jawn doin on
this show wit a boyfriend at da crib?

And if so, da fuck degree black belt level in the art of Simp-Fu does dude have?

So many questions...
13164906, bruh times is hard
Posted by Madvillain 626, Mon Jun-12-17 09:23 PM
people doin a lot of shit to get by. there are dudes out here who girlfriends is straight hoe'in who don't mind because...times is hard.
13164920, You not lyin Bruh!
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Tue Jun-13-17 12:15 AM
13164927, Dude obviously on that Usher...go make that money, money, money...
Posted by FLUIDJ, Tue Jun-13-17 06:32 AM
"Get ready....for your blessing....."
13165638, check out this update
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-14-17 03:03 PM
http://decider.com/2017/06/14/it-was-like-a-porn-scene-bachelor-in-paradise-inside-source-claims-corinne-was-the-aggressor-in-sex-scandal/?_ga=2.186393645.522797897.1497470560-1227618087.1494259303

In what seems to be a never-ending saga involving an alleged sexual assault on the set of Bachelor in Paradise, a new source has come forward with claims that directly contradict the accusations made against contestant DeMario Jackson by Corinne Olympios. The ABC Bachelor spin-off was suspended earlier this week after a crew member revealed harrowing details regarding Olympios’ assault, claiming that she “seemed to go limp” and appeared to be unconscious while Jackson performed sexual acts on her. Following reports that Warner Bros. would begin investigating the allegations, a friend of DeMario Jackson anonymously spoke with The Daily Mail and insists that the story being documented by the media is backwards.

“It all started in the bar where DeMario was hanging out,” the source claims. “She then grabbed his hand and said let’s go to the pool… They were hanging out, making out, kissing, fingering. This is all on tape. There were cameras around, producers, there’s everybody. This was all being filmed for the show.” The source also recounts that Olympios, 24, told Jackson, 30, to take off his clothes, and she rebuffed her offers for sexual contact, as he had drank too much alcohol to perform.

Corrine came right above him and puts her p***y right in his face and he starts going down on her. There’s a cameraman right there. Nobody is saying anything. It was like a porn scene…This whole thing about Corrine being limp and sliding underwater is bullsh*t. She was not blackout drunk… She wasn’t limp. She was fine… From that point she fooled around with three different guys. Derek , Nick , and Alex . They all happen to be white. DeMario is black. I’m just saying.
13165739, The plot thickens!
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Wed Jun-14-17 07:09 PM
Not surprised either.

*chills and waits fa mo*


13167261, And the moral of the story is...
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Jun-20-17 04:13 PM
Always record your sex with da white women.

https://www.lovebscott.com/news/bachelor-paradise-investigation-concludes-demario-jackson-not-sexually-assault-corinne-olympios


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13167265, Camcorders for drunk and horny bitches of all colors
Posted by Meadow, Tue Jun-20-17 04:18 PM
If you're so gone you do things you regret maybe you should stop being the party girl. Clearly these types of women can't handle the ramifications of their actions.
13167267, In order for them to let the black guy walk, the evidence must have been
Posted by Teknontheou, Tue Jun-20-17 04:26 PM
overwhelmingly in his favor.
13167271, right? also, what the hell is wrong with girl?
Posted by double negative, Tue Jun-20-17 04:32 PM
13167274, Can't get to third base on camera with a boyfriend at home
Posted by BigReg, Tue Jun-20-17 04:35 PM
Alas, the cover story.

Im more mad at the OG article that said their co-stars co-signed her account...either at the co-stars or the writer of the slam piece.

Im gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and say maybe she ain't think the coverup story was gonna make the front of TMZ
13167345, "benefit of the doubt" is such a nice term...
Posted by StephBMore, Tue Jun-20-17 09:47 PM
but i get you...i'm pretty sure she thought this would be kept low or would be glossed over but honestly you can't accuse someone of raping/sexually assaulting you and it being something minor.

don't know what her end goal was (saving her relationship i guess) but she was really about to let someone go to jail b/c she got tipsy.
13167342, Blame it on the alcohol...
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Jun-20-17 09:29 PM
She initiated and prolly did everything she wanted to do at the time but once the dust settles she knew it would harm her reputation so she tried the old "I was too drunk to remember"

Dude was too drunk to get it up too.
13167379, I feel like there's a snoop verse or two out there that sums her up nicely.
Posted by FLUIDJ, Wed Jun-21-17 05:33 AM
13167286, ... talk your way out of drunk sex with a white woman
Posted by Kira, Tue Jun-20-17 05:30 PM
Run to the ER if you have to escape from her because it's better to go to the hospital then to get hit with the post sex reputation shaming charges.

Tell her you abstinent, tell her you have an emergency and need to go to the ER. Do anything to get out of it especially if she's wholesome and comes from a good home. Call an Uber and send her home documenting it the whole time via Duo/Facetime.
13167289, Warner Bros investigation clears Warner Bros of wrongdoing
Posted by GOMEZ, Tue Jun-20-17 05:41 PM
i mean, i don't know what happened, but I don't think Warner Bros is gonna commission an investigation that implicates them in any wrongdoing.

13167411, True, but they know the stakes if they botch this
Posted by BigReg, Wed Jun-21-17 08:29 AM
It's a bit different then lets say an corporate sex scandal cover-up where you hope it fades away; not only would they be on the hook legally the show is one of their cash cows and any further damage would hurt their pockets; it would be in their best interest to cut any of the cancers out immediately even if producers/cast, etc gotta fall on the sword.
13167443, The local PD don't give a shit if WB clears themselves. The WB
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Jun-21-17 09:26 AM
lawyers probably wanted to make sure that any further police investigation wouldn't hem them up in any way. That's why I said the evidence must have been overwhelming in homeboy's favor. They went into this almost certainly predisposed to believing her, just as a matter of course to be on the safe side.
13167602, why would the studio be predisposed to believe anyone?
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jun-21-17 01:07 PM
There's nothing about her account being true that benefits them.

You start with this entirely false point and string everything else around it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167642, $$$
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Jun-21-17 02:30 PM
Again, the local police will have the ability to investigate this to their heart's content. WB's decision to have the show go forward is completely separate from that. All WB is saying is they looked into it and think they're on firm ground to not be criminally or legally liable.

If they thought for a second that they might be facing some sort of criminal or legal exposure, they'd have canned dude and maybe the whole season (which is why they suspended production immediately).

Edited to add: believing her out of the gate is the safer, more conservative route from the perspective of the show. Worst case scenario is he raped her and they will face some sort of huge lawsuit from her and/or someone on the staff will be criminally charged. The best case scenario, as far as their pockets are concerned, is that she lied and no rape occurred. Corporate lawyers (should and usually do) have pessimistic, worst-case-scenario outlooks wrt high-risk situations.

13167654, None of these things are true
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jun-21-17 02:52 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167655, Oh, ok.
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Jun-21-17 02:53 PM
13167446, So Warner Brothers is going to cover up a sexual assault
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jun-21-17 09:31 AM
that happened on camera, in a matter of a couple of weeks?

No down side to trying that....


>i mean, i don't know what happened, but I don't think Warner
>Bros is gonna commission an investigation that implicates them
>in any wrongdoing.
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13167560, if the allegation hinges on how much she was served
Posted by GOMEZ, Wed Jun-21-17 12:14 PM
I don't think they need to cover anything up. They can 'evaluate' the facts however they want. Their standards or interpretation of the facts might not be the same as a DA's standard for prosecution or a jury's standard for conviction, especially when they got millions upon millions of dollars at stake in terms of a television franchise and a lawsuit. Of course they're gonna say 'nope she wasn't too drunk to consent' when they're the ones who supplied the booze.

To be real, I feel like dude probably didn't do anything wrong. But WB's investigation wasn't about whether or not dude forced her to do anything. They're just saying, we don't think she was that drunk, so not rape. Too Drunk To Consent is one of those things with a lot of gray area.



13167512, Really though. Lol
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Jun-21-17 10:36 AM
I hope for all involved that the investigation is correct and there was no rape here. But I wouldn't trust WB to suss that out.
13167384, Damn she tried to call on the ol' American tradition of accusing a Black
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 06:21 AM
man of rape after initiating sex with him.
This particular trick of getting hers and THEN
accusing the Black man of rape has been popular
since slavery.

Oh white woman...
Lynchings been fueled by their accusations of
rape, attempted rape, and stare since Jim Crow.
This is the origin of feminism.
Public opinion lynchings are still fueled
by the same very often.
Oh man, all the levels.
13167420, heard a rumor the producers eventually stepped in
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-21-17 08:41 AM
and stopped the taping and ole girl was afraid she wouldn't be invited back to other shows so she went the Black rape route
13167487, WYD AFTER SMOKING DRUGS?
Posted by double negative, Wed Jun-21-17 10:14 AM

>This is the origin of feminism.

like, how jigga?


13167551, Assuming this is a serious question...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 12:03 PM
>like, how jigga?
>

The white woman's piety was established in contrast to the savage brute rapist myth of the black and native male. Not only did they feel we were unfit for freedom, but they also felt our demise was necessary in order for them to take (what they perceived as) their rightful place as oppressor beside the white male... that's the white woman's burden... to rule the negro beside her man. Rape accusation and her supposed piety were the first weapons she used toward that end. Thus the myth of the Black male rapist is inextricably married to feminism. The original Birth of a Nation (1915) was as much a feminist film as it was a KKK film when you examine it, as the KKK was born at the height of the southern feminist movement. Looking at why they hunted the Black male down in that movie provides plenty insight.
The white woman's purity has been not only her own weapon, but the excuse for public lynchings whether she was involved or not. Most importantly tho, she's used that as her main tool in inheriting the white man's burden of "civilizing" (read:ruling) non-white people.




13167575, Damn, that's deep.
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-21-17 12:29 PM
There have been a shit load of Black men killed, locked up, lynched because a white woman lied about being raped. What's sad is most times these white men knownthese women are lying but they don't want to admit their women love Black dick.

My boy did 2 months in jail because a girl lied about being raped when her parents found out about her having sex with a Black man.
13167590, Real talk.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 12:51 PM
>There have been a shit load of Black men killed, locked up,
>lynched because a white woman lied about being raped. What's
>sad is most times these white men know these women are lying
>but they don't want to admit their women love Black dick.


Oh they definitely know it's a lie, but they want the negro dead for it anyway.
What's often overlooked about Dylann Roof is that he said "You've raped our women" while shooting up that church. His "manifesto" also read:
"I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop."
Elliot Rodgers also had that long video talking about white women sleeping with Black men.
Dr. Welsing been told us they consider us sleeping with their women an act of violence, hence the gun as the "great equalizer." This is why a Black man cannot be innocent of rape (especially of a white woman) in their eyes. All sex between Black males and white women is rape to them.


>My boy did 2 months in jail because a girl lied about being
>raped when her parents found out about her having sex with a
>Black man.


Extremely common throughout history.




13167656, Not giving white women a pass, but you're wrong
Posted by Bluebear, Wed Jun-21-17 02:54 PM
I agree that there is a troubling history and ongoing pattern of white women making false accusations against black men, but your link to feminism is questionable. The original birth of a nation featured a white woman as the damsel in distress who needs to be rescued. Where's the feminism in that? We all know that the (white) feminist movement has issues with race, but you're reaching a bit on this one.
13167675, Agreed.
Posted by BigReg, Wed Jun-21-17 03:37 PM
I don't think its a similar situation with other past minorities (Irish, Italian) where they were given seats in first class to firm up a racial class identity to make it easier to shit on the darker minorties in coach.

The rise of the feminist movement and various Jim Crow era post slavery sabotage aren't that interlinked; the marginalization of the diaspora was happening anyway. Their gains weren't made on our backs as it will, athough as Chappelle said 'They were in on the heist', lol
13167745, So your source is a Dave Chapelle bit? LOL, you can't be serious.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 09:42 PM
I'm giving you facts while both of you are simply saying "nah, that's not true" without a shred of historical citation or counter narrative.
Can't even take either of you serious at this point.

>The rise of the feminist movement and various Jim Crow era
>post slavery sabotage aren't that interlinked; the
>marginalization of the diaspora was happening anyway. Their
>gains weren't made on our backs as it will


Oh really? That is completely false.
The Black male rapist was the subject of many feminist addresses, and women's rights was framed as resistance to the negro rapist, but don't take my word for it... read for yourself, and really let this first one sink in.

“I do not want to see a negro man walk to the polls and vote on who should handle my tax money, while I myself cannot vote at all…When there is not enough religion in the pulpit to organize a crusade against sin; nor justice in the court house to promptly punish crime; nor manhood enough in the nation to put a sheltering arm about innocence and virtue—-if it needs lynching to protect woman’s dearest possession from the ravening human beasts—-then I say lynch, a thousand times a week if necessary.” - Rebecca Ann Latimer Felton, 1835-1930 (First woman to serve in the Senate)

“White supremacy will be strengthened, not weakened, by women’s suffrage.” - Carrie Chapman Catt, 1859-1947 (Founder of the League of Women Voters)

""(Stanton) didn't just stand on the moral high ground. She also descended to some rather ugly racist rhetoric along the lines of, 'We educated, virtuous white women are more worthy of the vote.' ... She talked about how much worse black men would be as voters than the white women about whom she was concerned, and she was really quite dismissive of black women's claims. ... There were some comments about, 'What will we and our daughters suffer if these degraded black men are allowed to have the rights that would make them even worse than our Saxon fathers?' She has one, I think, inexplicable comment about black women an even worse slavery under black men than they did under their former white slave owners."

"The old anti slavery school says women must stand back and wait until the negroes shall be recognized. But we say, if you will not give the whole loaf of suffrage to the entire people, give it to the most intelligent first. If intelligence, justice, and morality are to have precedence in the government, let the question of the woman be brought up first and that of the negro last." - Elizabeth C. Stanton

“The white men, reinforced by the educated white women, could ‘snow under’ the Negro vote in every State, and the white race would maintain its supremacy without corrupting or intimidating the Negroes.” - Laura Clay, 1849-1940 (Founder of Kentucky’s first suffrage group)

"European women were not only bearers of racist beliefs, but hardline operatives who put them in place... fostering new racial antagonisms, formerly muted by sexual acces" - Ann L. Stoler, anthropologist

Historians such as Allison Sneider, Margaret Jacobs, and Louise Newman have established that the quest for women's rights, and what is generally understood as a complement to the imperial-patriarchal endeavor rather than a challenge to it.

To add to that, ethnologists said Black men were biologically predisposed to rape, considering uncontrollable, insatiable, and dangerous. These were respected scientists of the time, so when we talk about white suffragists referring to Black men as "ravening human beasts" you have to understand the accepted science of the time. Even when bluebear refers to the original Birth of a Nation, he isn't putting it in proper context of the time and therefore totally misunderstands the film.



>athough as
>Chappelle said 'They were in on the heist', lol

I mostly gave you stuff you can't find on the internet,
because I have very little faith that someone
who cites Dave Chappelle in this discussion is
going to pick up a book.




13167834, Nigga, my source ain't chappele, was using him as an example!
Posted by BigReg, Thu Jun-22-17 09:15 AM
Thanks for the quotes tho, Ill dig deeper even though you were like, 'Fuck you you piece of shit' with that reply, lol
13168173, lolz
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Thu Jun-22-17 10:43 PM
>Thanks for the quotes tho, Ill dig deeper even though you
>were like, 'Fuck you you piece of shit' with that reply, lol


Word... Aside from being generally
annoyed at the popular narrative of
feminism, I lose patience with factless
arguments, so my apologies for coming
across hostile.
"The Man-Not: Race, Class, Genre and
the Dilemmas of Black Manhood" by Dr.
Tommy J. Curry is probably the most
comprehensive book for further research
if you're interested. Extremely dense
with information and insight and one of
the most important books ever written imo.
He also cites many other authors and books
that'll have you with a whole new library
if you get all those.
Got my copy early because I preordered it far
in advance, but it's slated to come out
July 1st of this year. I saw someone online
say they already got theirs too.

13167703, Actually, you are wrong, sir
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 05:01 PM
The original birth of a
>nation featured a white woman as the damsel in distress who
>needs to be rescued. Where's the feminism in that?

I literally just outlined that for you.
The KKK used white women's purity as the
reasoning for lynchings, often bringing
them along to flaunt as victims.
White women used their purity as a weapon
to debase Black men in order to exalt themselves.
Let me know which part is unclear.


13167727, Also, you've provided zero facts to substantiate your claim.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Jun-21-17 06:41 PM
Listen man, if you never made the
connection, it'd be much more constructive
to simply admit that than to accuse me of
"reaching."
You also left out the fact that the original
Birth of a Nation centered around the myth
of the Black male rapist... a myth that
was considered scientific fact back then
according to an "ethnology institute"
founded in 1842. White feminist are
literally on record talking about the
necessity of exterminating the negro, as
he posed a threat to her rise to her
natural place of "civilizer" beside the
white male... Margaret Sanger, Elizabeth
C. Stanton, etc. This IS feminism. Please
research these things before you respond.
13167729, 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jun-21-17 06:53 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167821, yep, you're right
Posted by Bluebear, Thu Jun-22-17 09:01 AM
I misread your original post and made some assumptions. My bad.
13167447, But I was the asshole for suggesting maybe Nate Parker didn't rape
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jun-21-17 09:33 AM
that girl. SMH.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13167456, For alot of people, rape is a guilty-until-proven-innocent crime.
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Jun-21-17 09:43 AM
This guy appears to have been informally proven innocent, so he's good, more or less. Nate's lawyers were successful in convincing the jury, but the "evidence" that the public got a hold of last year made him seem like a grade-A asshole jock. It's a short leap from that to "probable rapist". That's the price Nate had and has to pay for staying out of jail. PLUS the girl killed herself years later, which is a fact that was not placed in Nate's plus column. Without proof of his innocence, he won't be able to escape that.
13167462, as soon as people hear the word rape it's a wrap
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-21-17 09:50 AM

13167463, You already died on that hill, player.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Jun-21-17 09:52 AM
Leave it alone. Lol
13167490, Lost the battle, but the war continues....
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jun-21-17 10:15 AM
>Leave it alone. Lol


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13167469, yep. you just gotta wear it
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-21-17 09:54 AM
despite being right imo.
13167596, huh. it's so weird that you'd pop up here.
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jun-21-17 12:57 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167566, FYI, production for the season in question is back ON.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-17 12:23 PM
They've decided to move forward with the season and to NOT cancel the show in general - or at least not cancel it yet.

13167577, Ratings!!!!
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-21-17 12:31 PM
13167584, they were probably just waiting to make sure they got...
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-17 12:37 PM
an "all clear" from the lawyers.
13167580, They should probably make some cultural changes.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-21-17 12:34 PM
13167647, the audience dont want that tho.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-21-17 02:42 PM
13167567, FYI, production for the season in question is back ON.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-17 12:23 PM
They've decided to move forward with the season and to NOT cancel the show in general - or at least not cancel it yet.

13167597, yeah, this seems like healthy discussion.
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jun-21-17 12:58 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13167939, the way this convo went is predictable as hell
Posted by MiracleRic, Thu Jun-22-17 12:03 PM
i'm done having it though bc...intellectual honesty is impossible with well-intended overcompensation
13234981, hmm.........
Posted by c71, Thu Feb-15-18 02:39 PM
http://people.com/tv/demario-jackson-corinne-olympios-valentines-day-together/


Bachelor in Paradise's DeMario Jackson Says He's Spending Valentine's Day With Corinne Olympios


During former Bachelorette contestant Eric Bigger’s podcast, Bigger Talks, on Wednesday, Jackson shared details of his friendly relationship with Olympios, even sharing their Valentine’s Day date plans.

“I can’t wait for tonight,” he said.

“Just for the fact that – you know, we’re homies. We’re really good friends, and you know, we just enjoy each other’s company and we like to take things slow,” Jackson added.

Further clarifying, “We hang out. We have fun, and you know, that’s it.”

Despite the BiP sex scandal that rocked season 4’s production last summer, Jackson and Olympios remain close.

The pair has been spotted out and about multiple times over the past few months, sharing a friendly embrace in late August, leaving TAO restaurant in Hollywood in late September, and most recently celebrating Halloween together in Los Angeles.

In October, Jackson opened up about his friendship with Olympios.

“In the media — the media wanted black versus white. They wanted angry black guy, they wanted this little white girl. But in reality, both of us were put against each other,” he said at the time.

“It was one of those things that people want us not to be friends. They want to paint a particular narrative. Even now the narrative is they’re friends now,” he explained. “It’s like, ‘Oh, it’s fake.’ It’s always you’re damned if you do, you’re damned if you don’t.”
13234983, She gon claim he hit her next
Posted by Paps_Smear, Thu Feb-15-18 02:42 PM
Then he'll be on tv lookin stupid again.

Homie should have learned from the first incident.
13234984, I was like "what?!?"
Posted by c71, Thu Feb-15-18 02:45 PM
???????????
13235016, Yep. Ninjaz need Unclez man.
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Thu Feb-15-18 05:19 PM
I'm talkin REAL Unclez dat'll sitcho punk azz down
onna front porch over a 12-pack of brew & spliff, crack open, light up, and smoov letchu know you fuckin up, wit some Earth/Wind/Fire playin inna background.





13234988, not like this bro. not like this.
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-15-18 02:58 PM
13234990, wait how you gonna be friends w/ her after tho...
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Feb-15-18 03:15 PM
13235011, ahem, its "friends" did you catch that subtext?
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-15-18 04:44 PM
13235019, http://oi52.tinypic.com/spvhfl.jpg
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Thu Feb-15-18 05:27 PM
http://oi52.tinypic.com/spvhfl.jpg