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13130965, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III - watch God work...or Hwhite work?
Posted by Cam, Thu Mar-02-17 08:44 AM

Attorney General, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, lied and spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Donald's presidential campaign. So, in the aftermath, shall we watch God work, and see him resign, and or prosecuted? Or, shall we watch his child-of-the-confederacy whiteness work, and see those GOP controlled committees allow him to carry on?
What are your predictions?

https://apple.news/AnMcW0krjQ3Wn3RrrQC0AzQ
13130977, *says a prayer*
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 09:18 AM
13130979, If you lie during confirmation hearing, I think you gotsta go.
Posted by Shogun, Thu Mar-02-17 09:20 AM
How can they let this one ride? The AG lied during confirmation hearings? C'mon son. If nothing else, he gotta take the hit or the whole thing is even more of a sham than we already thought it was.


13130982, cot damn, i guess we'll see....
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 09:25 AM

>or the whole thing is even more of a sham than we
>already thought it was.
13131003, he may not have lied.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 09:46 AM
there's wiggle room - b/c he may have talked to the ambassador in his role as a Senator and not as an agent of the Trump campaign. that may be enough for him to wiggle out of this. maybe.

still...there's enough here to merit an independent investigation since Sessions is the AG and it would be improper for him or his agency to head up any investigation into this Russia shit since he MIGHT be implicated.

so while this situation may not result in Sessions losing his job it SHOULD be enough to fuel the push for an independent investigation where previously there was much hemming and hawing about that.
13131020, the ol "wording his responses just *so*" trick.
Posted by Shogun, Thu Mar-02-17 10:06 AM
just like how Slick Willie never actually admitted to fucking that lady...even though he fucked that lady.


13131217, Clinton did not FUCK Lewinsky.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 01:27 PM
If 'fuck' means vaginal intercourse.
13131027, agreed, there is wiggle room
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 10:12 AM
but there is not way he should be involved in the investigation. you can't prove it but I do believe he was lying.
13131311, You called it.
Posted by Shogun, Thu Mar-02-17 04:15 PM
he wiggled like a motherfucker.

13131007, I don't know the details, but I've been reading Ashcroft lied in his
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Mar-02-17 09:47 AM
confirmation hearing too and nothing happened to him.
13131021, *throws hands up*
Posted by Shogun, Thu Mar-02-17 10:07 AM
>confirmation hearing too and nothing happened to him.


well what the fuck, man?!?!? This is all some bullshit.

13130986, That nigga Trump almost had a completely normal week
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-02-17 09:33 AM
You KNOW he just did a scarface mound worth of coke and his assistants are holding him down prying his phone out of his hand before he tweets some crazy shit.

The perjury might be the deathblow; Rubio's calling for his head, Cruz is shucking and jiving. Lets see how it plays it, I give him a 40% chance of keeping his job.

Id almost feel bad if he wasn't a racist piece of shit that already put the prison industrial complex back into full gear within a few weeks of his job. Fuck him

13130989, Fuck him indeed.
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 09:37 AM
13130988, Got, this is how you get GOT
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-02-17 09:36 AM
13130995, HA!
Posted by Shogun, Thu Mar-02-17 09:41 AM
13130994, http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14786100/jeff-sessions-russia-trump
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 09:40 AM
Apple News is icky.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14786100/jeff-sessions-russia-trump
13130998, probably not enough for a perjury charge due to ambiguity.
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 09:43 AM
well, we know what direction this will go now. he's fine. no problem. he was communicating with Russia as a Senator, not for the campaign....

for fucks sake.
13131004, I agree...
Posted by Marbles, Thu Mar-02-17 09:46 AM

And this Republican Congress will apply the least amount of pressure possible. To be honest, I don't think this administration has anything to fear for the next 2 years. 2018 midterms might be our only hope.
13131005, #12
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 09:46 AM
13131011, i saw that. we'll see...
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 09:50 AM
13130997, there is no God but there is an impeachment mechanism
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 09:42 AM
in the US Constitution. we have to make it work.

it starts w/an independent investigation of the Trump admin's ties to Russia (including Russian ambassadors in the USA and elsewhere) during the campaign. and it goes where ever it may go.

we gotta make it work by applying pressure on our elected representatives in Congress. CALL 'EM UP. and tell 'em what you waaaaant.

13131002, I don't think this is that damaging.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Mar-02-17 09:46 AM
Arguably in the context he was talking about in his role as a surrogate and not as a Senator. You would need cofirmation they discussed Trump in some deal making capacity to make this stick.

don't start celebrating yet.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13131012, Legally? Its shaky. To protect the WH tho, he might have to go
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-02-17 09:51 AM
This is similar to Flynn; as far as Trump was concerned he did nothing wrong and said so after the fact when he said the media drove him out.

A week before they had to cut him loose because he was a distraction with those Russian ties.

Sessions is a well liked senator so they (house/senate repubs) won't want to take him down. But if the press keeps the heat up, the WH might have to cut him loose just to avoid the scandal dominating the news cycle for weeks if not months.

Bannon and Priebus ain't work their behind the scenes to destroy the world to have some senator fuck up their plans!
13131010, After watching The Americans on FX, it would seem bone-headed for
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Mar-02-17 09:50 AM
the Russians to use their ambassador this way. If you're trying to flip a major elected official you use one of your agents who is in deep cover, not the damned ambassador. I'm assuming the ambassador has an About page on the Russian embassy website. That seems super amateurish.
13131015, RE: After watching The Americans on FX, it would seem bone-headed for
Posted by abcdmetrius, Thu Mar-02-17 09:58 AM
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/837142268905652226

Evan Perez just said it on CNN, so I suppose I can here: Kislyak wasn't just ambassador, he was Russia's "top spy recruiter" in D.C.: SVR.
13131017, Ok, I guess.
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Mar-02-17 10:03 AM
But even that seems bone-headed. Not to refer back to a tv show again, but on the show they let the ambassador be free from all that kind of stuff because ambassadors are always monitored. It's the Russian spies posing as American citizens who engage in that the most. But again, that's just a tv show. I just assume their heirs of the KGB would have a tighter operation that what I'm hearing about this.
13131039, ambassador is the public front, the hard work goes to underlings
Posted by j., Thu Mar-02-17 10:23 AM
No random (Russian posing as American) stranger is going to go up to a senator out of nowhere at some cocktail party and start a convo

the ambassador or other high profile big shot opens him up, establishes "cordial" relationship, then the underlings take it from there

By the way, anyone with a security clearance is required to report foreign contacts immediately if not soon (c) also, don't perjure yourself



13131018, after watching (literally any spy movie) watergate
Posted by Bluebear, Thu Mar-02-17 10:05 AM
would have seemed like a dumb idea.
13131025, The GOP/Nixon weren't a professional spy outfit.
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Mar-02-17 10:11 AM
Russia has been adversarial with us and spying on us since (at least) 1945. Putin was in the KGB doing this kind of stuff in East Germany in the 80's.

I'm not saying they can't be stupid about this, but stupid is stupid.
13131554, my point is, stop expecting things to be like they are on tv
Posted by Bluebear, Fri Mar-03-17 09:57 AM
and using it as a point of reference is silly. BTW Watergate involved multiple CIA agents so it was not an amateur affair.
13131034, Spying ain't all black and white cloak and dagger
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Mar-02-17 10:17 AM
It's conveying information covertly.

I doubt anyone who does spying refer to themselves as "spies".

It's all a matter of perspective. Ever read those articles about US campers/journalist held as spies after wandering off track in places like Iran, North Korea, Pakistan? I would wager 100% that they were actually doing spy shit when they got caught.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13131024, The dominoes are fallin
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 10:10 AM
13131030, just wobbling a little at this point
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 10:15 AM
13131070, yeah but there's way too much smoke
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 11:10 AM
13131072, oh, i hope and pray they get kicked over and all fall down.
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 11:13 AM
not even in order to make a cool design, just completely knocked across the floor.

right now they are starting to wobble. still need that big boot to come through.
13131029, i am convinced this administration is owned by Putin
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 10:14 AM
word is the ambassador is really a spy.
13131031, all i'll say is remember how the GOP acted about Benghazi
Posted by thegodcam, Thu Mar-02-17 10:16 AM
Benghazi aint shit compared to this mess with Russia
13131035, ^^^^^
Posted by ambient1, Thu Mar-02-17 10:17 AM
13131357, they off Benghazi, Trump did that, and they let him use the widow as a prop.
Posted by rob, Thu Mar-02-17 05:20 PM
i don't know what the press was thinking on that. especially van jones.
13131038, Crooked Hillary & The Emails' fault
Posted by flipnile, Thu Mar-02-17 10:21 AM
"Crooked Hillary & The Emails" sounds like a band name.
13131074, I believe he will survive this
Posted by handle, Thu Mar-02-17 11:21 AM
Why? Because ALL Republicans are pieces of shit that are driven ONLY by their ideology and pursuit of naked power and do not care about preserving the integrity the institutions of government.

Prediction:If he is forced to resign they'll nominate someone as bad - or even worse as a replacement.

13131079, They're vetting David Duke right now, just in case.
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-02-17 11:26 AM
13131082, haha
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Mar-02-17 11:29 AM
13131146, Harriet Miers?
Posted by handle, Thu Mar-02-17 12:13 PM
Laura Ingraham
Ann Coulter
Mark Levin


All *real* lawyers.


13131187, more and more of them are calling for an invesigation
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 12:35 PM
and some are calling for Sessions to resign. I hope you are wrong.
13131226, Claire McCaskill lol. AYDMF. Why did you have to stick your neck in
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Mar-02-17 01:44 PM
Today:
I've been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years.No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign Rel Com.

2015:
Today calls with British, Russian, and German Ambassadors re: Iran deal. #doingmyhomework

2013:
Off to meeting w/Russian Ambassador. Upset about the arbitrary/cruel decision to end all US adoptions,even those in process.

And then the walk back:
4 years ago went to meeting of many Senators about international adoptions. Russian Amb also attended.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/claire-mccaskill-jeff-sessions-russian-ambassador-meeting/
13131231, they all trash but unlike Sessions
Posted by j., Thu Mar-02-17 01:54 PM
she wasn't under oath when talking about those tweets

Dems live in glass houses, I'd fall back if I was them.
This all comes down to how many repugs feel safe enough in their districts to go against trump. So far, not many.
13131240, If he met with the Ambassador in the course of his duties as Senator
Posted by J_Stew, Thu Mar-02-17 02:07 PM
There should be minutes taken, it should be in his schedule, all of that stuff. These assholes can pull up anything about us they want to, I want to see that motherfucker's Google Calendar whenever I want to, we're paying him.

The likelihood of an ambassador meeting in YOUR office with that kind of timing in regards to the election certainly has a nonzero chance of being legit, but highly unlikely.

Maddow broke it down really well (whether or not someone likes her is irrelevant because the info is legit) that a Russian Billionaire has been dumping money to Trump to shelter it from some multi-billion dollar divorce settlement, and Trump owes Deutsche Bank a LOT of money, and now the connections with the Cyprus bank and Wilbur Ross. Throw in Manafort and Carter and the shit is just too overwhelming to be coincidental.
13131307, Jeffrey, you in danger, girl.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 04:05 PM
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/3/2/14790816/jeff-sessions-russia-perjury-law

even if he didn't commit perjury he came too close.
13131308, RECUSED.
Posted by Hitokiri, Thu Mar-02-17 04:13 PM
Next stop resignation.
Lock him up!
13131309, Just saw the article hit the newsfeed (link)
Posted by spenzalii, Thu Mar-02-17 04:14 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/02/attorney-general-sessions-is-recusing-himself-from-any-probe-related-to-2016-presidential-campaign/?utm_term=.5df1cb60b091

Still, I don't see him resigning without a fight
13131314, I hope it's a slow motion train wreck
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-02-17 04:21 PM
13131313, i think he's lying but i don't think this will happen
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 04:19 PM
good start though.
13131316, Wow, A Special Prosecutor would be Sooooo Bad for Trump
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Mar-02-17 04:24 PM
Remember a Special Prosecutor probing Whitewater is what lead to the stained blue dress.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13131330, Watergate too. Special prosecuter was up Nixon's ass
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Mar-02-17 04:42 PM
Archibald Cox
He was up his ass to the point that Nixon tried to force his AG to fire him (AG refused and resigned).
Then he tried to force the Deputy AG to fire him (Deputy AG refused and resigned). Ultimately Nixon just abolished the special prosecutor's office, which turned the public against him and led to his impeachment
13131479, Recusal doesn't necessarily imply a special prosecutor, unfortunately.
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-02-17 11:51 PM

It just means he has to leave all decisions on these cases up to his surrogates, which isn't terribly comforting.

Hopefully a special prosecutor is the next step in the train wreck, though.
13131340, the writing's on the wall.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 04:56 PM
13131516, RECUSED FROM WHAT!?!?!?
Posted by Loud but Wrong guy, Fri Mar-03-17 08:15 AM
WAS THE MOTHAFUCKER DROWNING?!?!

WAS HE TRAPPED IN A BURNING BUILDING!?!?!

WHO THE HELL HELPED HIS OLD ASS ANYWAY?!?

13131537, He recused himself. By his bootstraps!
Posted by Monkey Genius, Fri Mar-03-17 09:23 AM
13131310, this guy is lying
Posted by Crash Bandacoot, Thu Mar-02-17 04:15 PM
>
13131323, The nigga is named after the Confederate President
Posted by Musa, Thu Mar-02-17 04:33 PM
What else woukd anyone expect?
13131345, both the President and the General...and so was his pappy and grand pappy
Posted by Cam, Thu Mar-02-17 05:05 PM
13131325, I hate Illinois Nazis
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Thu Mar-02-17 04:35 PM
13131349, lmao.
Posted by kinetic94761180, Thu Mar-02-17 05:14 PM
that nigga looks just like dude.
13131336, ahem
Posted by benny, Thu Mar-02-17 04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/adamentous/status/837390959193309186
13131342, lol, no other members of the committee met with that dude (if this is true)
Posted by J_Stew, Thu Mar-02-17 04:59 PM
yet it was during the Trump campaign, which Sessions was onboard with oddly early. Talked with my stepmother who was a GS16 at the state dept until she retired a couple of years ago, she said meetings like this are not common at all in non-committee settings.
13131346, he's the only one who met w/the Russian ambassador AND
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 05:07 PM
the only one working w/the Trump campaign.

and at least one of the meetings happened around the time of the DNC/HRC leaks, right?

LOL

oh, Jeffrey.

Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey.
13131347, if/when Sessions resigns...
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 05:09 PM
will 45* claim that Flynn and Sessions acted alone w/o his knowledge or direction? and that once they're gone (and possibly some lower level goons or whomever) the 'swamp' that is the Russian affair has been 'drained' and there's no need for any investigation b/c the bad hombres will have been found and dismissed?

will the GOP agree that the affair is over after Sessions is gone? will they try and sweep it all under the rug?
13131350, They tried to pull that with Flynn...
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Mar-02-17 05:15 PM
They were like, he resigned so the problem is solved. Nothing more to look into lol
13131369, yeah i remember that. lol
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 05:34 PM
13131353, ^^I was wondering this
Posted by JiggysMyDayJob, Thu Mar-02-17 05:17 PM
they may try to just move on and keep up with business as usual and without any further investigation into the Russia ties. I feel like there's more (obviously there is) and we just have to wait for more to come out.

If not, then they are going to continue full steam with fucking the people of this country over.
13131358, the scariest thing is sessions and flynn actually knew the rules
Posted by rob, Thu Mar-02-17 05:22 PM
and understood their jobs. they just don't give a fuck.

most of these other nominees, especially in non-international roles, are going to get passes for doing even worse jobs.
13131370, when did Trump learn about Flynn lying to the FBI?
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 05:36 PM
we know but we don't know officially.

the answer to that is HUGE b/c Trump waited several weeks b4 he fired Flynn which means he was okay w/his NS Advisor lying to law enforcement.

anyway, yeah...he don't give a fuck. it's stunning. that's that good Unchecked Whiteness at work.
13131403, the ultimate bad scenario for me seems like they make it appear as
Posted by J_Stew, Thu Mar-02-17 06:23 PM
though Pence had no knowledge of all this wrongdoing, everyone burns but him. He gets to be President, something he was far too extreme (and boring) to ever win on his own. If Trump is out of the way, he can implement hardline conservative policy with the full support of Repubs in Congress. BUT, he probably won't destroy the world before the 2018 mid-terms, when they lose it all. Their fanatical base isn't that big, they just turn out. Turnout isn't going to be a problem for Dems from now on, at least I would hope not.

13131406, thats the nightmare.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 06:35 PM
And with 45* out we the ppl and the media ease up. So Pence gets to do his evil without much interference.
13131469, The ultimate bad scenario for me is WW3.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-02-17 11:19 PM
Do you think that's an unrealistic concern? If not, I can't see how Pence trying to legislate traditionally conservative policies can be worse than that.
13131467, Another possible move they can make....
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-02-17 11:16 PM
Set up a 'special prosecuter'. I'm not so sure about the legal distinctions so I'm just parroting what I've read elsewhere and correct me if i'm wrong.....but apparently a special prosecuter can only indict crimes and it's possible that there are extremely relevant elements of Trump/Russian ties that aren't technically illegal. An independent inquiry can have a much broader investigation that won't be limited to crimes.
13131360, recusing effectively greenlights an investigation, right? or naw
Posted by Riot, Thu Mar-02-17 05:24 PM
saying u will step aside if there is any probe

has to grease the wheels for a probe
13131371, ^^
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-02-17 05:36 PM
13131430, this guy is republican but seems like his knows his Russian stuff
Posted by makaveli, Thu Mar-02-17 08:40 PM
Worth a follow on twitter, ex spy dude, just started following him a couple days ago.


https://twitter.com/20committee/status/837457222410125312
13131462, I'm still holding out hope:
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-02-17 11:00 PM
This is another promising piece of what's, admittedly, still a story without a smoking gun. But pieces are still adding up.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/what-the-cia-and-fbi-knew-about-trump-before-2016
13131473, Oh... Beauregard
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-02-17 11:26 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeff-sessions-used-political-funds-for-republican-convention-expenses-1488509301
13136193, And even with this, Hwhite won.
Posted by Cam, Sat Mar-18-17 04:06 PM
:`(

'Murica
Fuck
Yeah
13136232, That was the 3rd agent orange smokescreen. Newscycle flipped to wiretaps
Posted by Riot, Sat Mar-18-17 08:19 PM
While trump himself was tweeting about tv shows 30 min later


Wiretaps got russia/sessions/flynn being a flat out spy/agent off the front page. BS level 10- unlocked