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13111546, These idiots kidnapped a special needs kid and tortured him live on FB
Posted by Heinz, Wed Jan-04-17 09:52 PM
Fucking idiots. I won't be surprised if some stupid Trump supporter is gonna do the same now. I say that because they kept saying Fuck Donald Trump to the kid...smh

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html
13111547, They're already talking about a march on Chicago up at St*rmfr*nt. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Wed Jan-04-17 10:03 PM
13111653, on behalf of all Chicagoans: "Try that shit if ya'll want to..."
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 10:17 AM
13111553, Suddenly conservatives believe in racism when there's a white victim
Posted by kevlar skully, Wed Jan-04-17 10:37 PM
13111554, christ how fucking dumb are they
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jan-04-17 10:39 PM
13111563, Meanwhile a black special needs victim can be raped with a coat hanger
Posted by Moonlit_Force, Thu Jan-05-17 12:14 AM
And his assailants are neither charged with sexual assault nor a hate crime?

We'll see if the attackers in this case avoid jail-time too...
13111597, O_O
Posted by soulpsychodelicyde, Thu Jan-05-17 09:04 AM
13111598, bruh.. shit is blatant as hell
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-05-17 09:06 AM
13111565, And they label this BLMKidnapping, yet has nothing to do with BLM?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jan-05-17 01:03 AM
Smh
13111567, But they black
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Jan-05-17 01:16 AM
crimes committed by blacks=blm
13111580, Once again the mumble mouths have screwed us over.
Posted by Binladen, Thu Jan-05-17 05:23 AM
13111587, What in the entire fuck...
Posted by mtbatol, Thu Jan-05-17 07:23 AM
13111589, Its so disturbing
Posted by Paps_Smear, Thu Jan-05-17 07:35 AM
That any human would want to do this type of thing to another.

Like the thought of laughing and joking while this is going on is sickening to me.

Recording yourself live on facebook, under your own profile? Idiots!
13111594, Idiots
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-05-17 08:02 AM
13111605, dark forces at work in this world
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-05-17 09:16 AM
13111608, shit is disgusting
Posted by BigJazz, Thu Jan-05-17 09:19 AM
13111609, Are they idiots or evil?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Jan-05-17 09:20 AM
This post seems weird to me because the emphasis seems to be on the stupidity of facebook live streaming their crime versus the heinous nature of the crime.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13111698, i'm hoping that GD has enough sense to feel both.
Posted by BigJazz, Thu Jan-05-17 10:49 AM
it's always idiotic to film a crime.

the crime itself is pure evil.
13111714, exactly
Posted by Paps_Smear, Thu Jan-05-17 11:00 AM
There is no excuse for this
13111713, Cmon man... you know damn well no one condones this crime
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-05-17 11:00 AM
13111721, Right... let's be real: crazy shit like this happens all the time
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Thu Jan-05-17 11:07 AM
What makes this incident particularly shocking IS the fact that they chose to stream it. For more reasons than one.
13111734, Facebook Live. Weeding out the stupid since 2016.
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 11:22 AM
>What makes this incident particularly shocking IS the fact
>that they chose to stream it. For more reasons than one.
13111738, Social media in general has been a gift to law enforcement.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Thu Jan-05-17 11:31 AM
13111757, The Mannequin Challenge with real guns. *smh*
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 11:45 AM
Can people be THIS stupid?


( I already know the answer...)

13111758, Except Don Lemon, apparently
Posted by Stringer Bell, Thu Jan-05-17 11:46 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cnns-don-lemon-hesitates-to-call-chicago-torture-video-evil-blames-bad-parenting-instead/

13111764, Don Lemon, must think he's a Lame Duck or sumshit...
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 11:50 AM
he's been in "whatthefuckever" mode the last few weeks.


13111954, There are at least 2 okayplayers who probably would condone it.
Posted by Binladen, Thu Jan-05-17 03:48 PM
Im about 30% joking but yeah, wouldn't surprise me.
13112003, Only because they're Black and unfairly singled out.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Thu Jan-05-17 05:01 PM
13111648, Under.The.Fucking.Jail.
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Thu Jan-05-17 10:15 AM
"Black race can't afford you no more"
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"To Each His Reach"
13111687, It's too bad there are scenarios like this that have been fabricated
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-05-17 10:39 AM
the crime is certainly heinous, but can we trust our eyes on this one?
13111695, not to be That Guy, but I kinda agree with you on this one.
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 10:46 AM
first of all, this happened in an area well known for drugs, so it's kinda odd for a white kid to just be over there walking around. Suburbanites have been getting busted by the police for buying over there for YEARS ( why? Because they stick out like sore thumbs).

So I'm hearing that this might've been about that kid being with somebody who was over there "messing with those folks money", and caught a bad one.


Not saying it's right or justifiable, but yeah. I don't think they randomly grabbed some poor kid off the streets. There's more to this story than they're reporting.

13111706, For an hour last night, I was convinced it was a hoax
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Thu Jan-05-17 10:53 AM
It just seems such an on-the-nose fantasy of what a negrophobic white person would imagine black people wanna do to them. The torture, the "fuck Trump, fuck white people"... the baffling decision to livestream it...

But CPD says it's real.

Some folks were saying he might have tried to steal weed from them or something. And he wasnt some random victim... He had a previous relationship with one or more of the attackers.
13111708, Yep. see post #19. He was at "The Spot".
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 10:56 AM

>But CPD says it's real.
>
>Some folks were saying he might have tried to steal weed from
>them or something. And he wasnt some random victim... He had a
>previous relationship with one or more of the attackers.


yup.

13111719, mm hmmm. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Thu Jan-05-17 11:06 AM
13111709, Nothing can be trusted about this and certainly not the CPD
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-05-17 10:56 AM
after they got lit up with that report especially
13111715, Hmm... you could be right.
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-05-17 11:01 AM
13111971, *Gets in this line..*
Posted by silenttype, Thu Jan-05-17 04:07 PM
13111735, I am skeptical about this. even with the video.
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jan-05-17 11:25 AM
after all, if white folks can pretty much Cuban B video evidence of police officers shooting and assaulting people that do not pose a threat, I'm entitled.

I would have not thought a thing about this except for the "fuck Donald Trump, fuck white people" shit

these kids are a little too young for that kind of broad brushstroke

and the whole situation sounds weird as fuck. why in Chicago is someone going to take a special needs kid (as reported) to the hood to do this shit? ransom? wasn't anyone looking for him?

shit is too damn convenient and plays into THEIR hands too much

so yeah. I'm gonna wait for some more facts to drop

this smells like some white Brawley shit
13111736, ^^^^
Posted by Shogun, Thu Jan-05-17 11:29 AM
13111743, out here white people with mental needs got black caretakers for days
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-05-17 11:38 AM
we saw the model in Florida with that care taker that got shot and I doubt it's any different in Chicago
13111774, Regarding their age:
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jan-05-17 12:10 PM
https://youtu.be/DaHva2zvnSk
13112120, Turns out they were schoolmates...
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 08:09 AM
who'd spent two days together. So much for the 'kidnapping' angle. I KNEW this shit didn't add up.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Police-Beating-on-Video-Began-After-Friendly-Encounter-409874555.html

"The two 18-year-olds had been schoolmates, police say. After meeting at McDonald's, they spent two days together, driving around visiting friends. Then a pretend fight between them escalated into a brutal beating of a mentally disabled teenager that has stirred racial tensions and outrage after being broadcast on Facebook Live."
13112127, and then how does it escalate to that poin?. I know kids are dumb
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Jan-06-17 08:56 AM
and things can spiral out of control but what was the basis behind the initial "let's tie this guy up" thinking?

Play fighting to torture snuff film doesn't add up
13112131, It adds up for me, to be honest
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 09:17 AM
As soon as I saw it, the first thing I thought was that it was a bunch of friends fucking around.

I know it's extreme as fuck but when I think of some of the crazy shit my "friends" did to me in high school.... I'm not surprised.

It's the fact that they broadcast it to the world that really changes everything, and makes it much worse.
13112157, the article mentioned "pretend fighting"
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 10:10 AM
and we all know how much dumb shit can come from 'slap boxing'.

There was a girl there, so somebody got slapped in front of the girls and got butthurt. That's usually all it takes.


13112170, Yup. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 10:21 AM
13112128, Initial reports said one of them went to school with him
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Jan-06-17 09:13 AM
13112161, so then the other kid is 'mentally challenged' TOO, then right?
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 10:11 AM
let's be fair about it.


13112169, The first filming it did seem 'slow' to me. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 10:20 AM
13112354, RE: The first filming it did seem 'slow' to me. nm
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 02:48 PM
>
ugh.... autocorrect: The GIRL filming it did seem 'slow' to me
13112343, I mean... 2 of them looked a little challenged in the photo
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Jan-06-17 02:36 PM
Maybe she was high or sleepy but that one girl didn't look right to me.
13112355, Basically, all except the older girl could pass for short bus riders.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 02:49 PM
13112357, haha, i didn't wanna say it, but yeah.
Posted by KiloMcG, Fri Jan-06-17 02:50 PM
13112123, yeah, seems fishy
Posted by Crash Bandacoot, Fri Jan-06-17 08:32 AM
>
13112323, turns out it was.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:13 PM
13112142, I will say that I think this story is being framed a certain way to fit
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Jan-06-17 09:41 AM
a certain narrative.

Even with the video no one will convince me that this was motivated by a hatred of donald trump.

Doesn't make the act any less vile if it appears to be what it is on it's face, but I think there is more to the story than what they are selling.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13112152, Oh of course.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 10:03 AM
I seriously doubt that anybody in that video voted in the last election lol

And yes, this whole thing is being framed a certain way... but unfortunately, the kids gave them the ammo. If only they had not said what they did about Trump and white people and everything else in the video stayed exactly the same.... this would have been a non-story.
13112222, Gotta hear both sides
Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Fri Jan-06-17 12:09 PM
13112309, I hate to say this but black parenting is at an all time low
Posted by select_from_where, Fri Jan-06-17 02:00 PM
The one constant that the news panders is these quotes from the parents like 'I had no idea about this side of my child'

White parents do that and have literally no excuse because their children are more often raised in safer neighborhoods

Black children are often born into bad culture, we as parents have to do better to shield our children from such.

Too often back parents respond to their child's actions as if their child has never been "bad" a day in their life. When its just not true.
13112321, and here comes the bullshit...
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:10 PM
>The one constant that the news panders is these quotes from
>the parents like 'I had no idea about this side of my child'

why is that so unreasonable? How many people are gonna say "my kid is the spawn of Satan. Lock him up!!!"


>
>White parents do that and have literally no excuse because
>their children are more often raised in safer neighborhoods

not sure what that means...


>
>Black children are often born into bad culture, we as parents
>have to do better to shield our children from such.

Agreed.

>
>Too often back parents respond to their child's actions as if
>their child has never been "bad" a day in their life. When its
>just not true.


Also true.

BUT, the facts in this case are slowly coming out.

The kids were classmates, and knew each other ( apparently they frequently smoked weed together)

The suburban kid's parents agreed to a sleepover ( the kids involved all lied to their parents; there WAS no sleepover)

The kid's parents dropped him off at a random location to meet his friends ( didn't ask to meet the other kid's parents or anything)

The kids all rode around together in a stolen van for TWO Days, kickin' it. (why weren't his parents looking for him?)

and the "special needs" kid had a learning disability. As did the other kid too, I'd guess, since they were classmates.


It's all fucked up, but I'm sick of these kids being demonized when ALL these kids were doing some shit they had NO business doing in the first place, and it escalated.
13112324, Church going, smart kid (c) Dylan Roof's stepmom
Posted by bentagain, Fri Jan-06-17 02:14 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132886/Woman-raised-accused-Charleston-shooter-Dylann-Roof-says-led-astray-Internet-evil.html

"the Roof family are in shock as they thought that Dylann was just a 'lazy, this generation kind of kid'"

c'mon

so many stories to counter whatever you're trying to imply
13112326, say word.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:15 PM

>c'mon
>
>so many stories to counter whatever you're trying to imply


seriously.

13112333, as I said, white parents often have no excuse to not be knowledgeable
Posted by select_from_where, Fri Jan-06-17 02:22 PM
black parents often work more hours or have other constraints, Im not even saying that these kids are demons, but its your CHILD, they NEVER displayed any of this behavior?

EVER?
13112335, that *is* possible, you know...
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:26 PM
>black parents often work more hours or have other
>constraints, Im not even saying that these kids are demons,
>but its your CHILD, they NEVER displayed any of this
>behavior?
>

you never did sneaky shit as a teenager?

>EVER?
>

I was a good student, a good kid by ALL accounts. Every now and then I got into shit I had no business doing. It happens. That's what teenagers do.


Do they all become psychopathic killers? No. BUT you can raise a decent kid who follows other kids off into doing bad shit. I have nephews. They do shit when I'm not around, I'm SURE of it. Just because they do 'show' it, doesn't mean they don't do shit.

13112341, The handful of felonies I committed before graduating HS, but never
Posted by bentagain, Fri Jan-06-17 02:33 PM
got caught for lead me to answer your question with a resounding

YES

kids do dumb shit

and I'd venture to disregard the environment you're born into

peer pressure is a MFer

I actually think the kids you're describing of being born into 'bad' environments

actually have an advantage when it comes to things not to do

being they are surrounded with first hand examples

and just off the top are exposed to things that Joey and Becky might not even know about in the suburbs.

making this a black parent issue is very ignorant, IMO.
13112345, YEP...We're basically saying the same shit.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:36 PM
>got caught for lead me to answer your question with a
>resounding
>
>YES
>
>kids do dumb shit

PERIOD.


>
>and I'd venture to disregard the environment you're born into
>
>peer pressure is a MFer

Say it again.


>
>I actually think the kids you're describing of being born into
>'bad' environments
>
>actually have an advantage when it comes to things not to do
>
>being they are surrounded with first hand examples
>
>and just off the top are exposed to things that Joey and Becky
>might not even know about in the suburbs.

^^^ ALL of this ^^^

>
>making this a black parent issue is very ignorant, IMO.

VERY.
13112434, man a lot of behavior my folks definitely don't know
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Jan-06-17 04:19 PM
and would be rightfully astonished.
13112350, No... nope... nah... white kids terrorize their parents bruh
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Jan-06-17 02:44 PM
Black kids usually act good at home and wild on in the streets.

White kids tho, most of them will curse their mom out quick as shit. They know and they still make excuses.

This isn't a black parenting issue. We just see more black parents because they news ain't shit.
13112440, if black parenting is at a low then white parenting is even lower
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Jan-06-17 04:22 PM
they are the ones who raised slave owners, klansmen, and corrupt cops
13112442, Oh come on....lol
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-06-17 04:29 PM
13112488, don't most of Americas notorious evil doers have white parents?
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Jan-06-17 06:05 PM
13112517, very true
Posted by Crash Bandacoot, Fri Jan-06-17 07:37 PM
not sure how/why people forget this
13112311, Special Needs = the kid had a learning disability.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:02 PM
the details are coming out. This was some bullshit...


a bunch of bad ass kids ( him too ) getting into all kindsa dumb shit and it went horribly awry.

13112325, ^Wow
Posted by Stringer Bell, Fri Jan-06-17 02:15 PM
Not like this.
13112328, that's not what I'm saying. Don't take it there.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:17 PM
What I'm saying is, the reports make it seem like they lured a kid with severe retardation into a house and shit. They were classmates, who frequently smoked weed together. Regular kids with problems at school.


13112334, You really want to say that
Posted by Stringer Bell, Fri Jan-06-17 02:26 PM
some people who filmed themselves as they beat and tortured a dude (former friend or not), while making racial taunts, are just "regular kids with problems"?

Would this be your reaction in other similar situations involving, oh say for example, white people torturing black folks while making racial taunts? Assume for the sake of consistency that the black torture victims in question had formerly been "friends" with their attackers.

13112338, duly noted. My point is *this* though.
Posted by Shogun, Fri Jan-06-17 02:29 PM
>some people who filmed themselves as they beat and tortured a
>dude (former friend or not), while making racial taunts, are
>just "regular kids with problems"?
>


I'm here in Chicago where this shit went down. And the way it's being told is like they rolled up on a kid who was severely disabled, shoved him into a van and beat on him for entertainment. That's simply not true. You got people out here clamoring for these kids to get the death penalty, man. C'mon.


>Would this be your reaction in other similar situations
>involving, oh say for example, white people torturing black
>folks while making racial taunts? Assume for the sake of
>consistency that the black torture victims in question had
>formerly been "friends" with their attackers.
>

They should ABSOLUTLELY be punished. This shit was wrong, plain and simple. But I'm hoping they get a fair trial, not convicted in the media.

That's all I'm saying. My words were harsh. I'll admit that.


>
13112364, Word. I gotchu.
Posted by Stringer Bell, Fri Jan-06-17 02:53 PM
.
13112356, Girls were notorious for this shit a few years back
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Jan-06-17 02:50 PM
Seemed like it was mostly white girls too. Lure a friend over, lock he door then beat her ass and laugh while she begged them to let her go...

It was all the rage when camera phones started having video.

I bet money one of the girls filmed it.