I mean outside of the usual suspects saying "PC culture is ruining America" and meaning "I can't say what I used to say or say hateful things out loud...." I want to really understand what people mean when they say "PC Culture"

some folks legit see it as a big threat which is a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.

Because diversity seems (in application) to mean "let's give most if not everyone of color the least paying jobs"

>some folks legit see it as a big threat which is
>a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.


Also, "PC culture" is very passive-aggressive, so they almost ALWAYS give themselves an out when confronted about their nonsense.

This is a primary tactic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing

This is the culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior


There aren't many "clear" examples because whenever overly-PC types are called out on their bullshit they throw themselves on the floor and start sobbing (figuratively-speaking), accusing others of being "so angry" or "too invested" or some other emotional attack.

If you really want to see shit for what it is just look at what people do and not what they say... it's clear-as-day then.

not only do they not have the tools to keep up
they don't have the tools to adapt
i grew up in the hood and some of those people can't comprehend gender pronouns
or give a fuck about female vs women or DAPL
so they may have some ignorant shit fly from they keyboard or Facebook and get railroaded into just not speaking
I'd love for them to have the drive to grow and learn..but some people don't have that capacity and their only choice is to dig they feet in on the fucked up shit they say or shut up

what'chu mean happy holidays? why not wish me a merry christmas/happy kwanzaa/happy chanukah/happy festivus

or the opposite. if i wish you happy whatever and i'm specific and you flip on me and ask me why i didn't make it a general happy holiday.

is that what you mean?


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>or the opposite. if i wish you happy whatever and i'm specific
>and you flip on me and ask me why i didn't make it a general
>happy holiday.

I pretty much stopped saying anything around here lately.

>I pretty much stopped saying anything around here lately.

last year. and i had just met her the day before. previously i had only heard "happy holidays? COME ON." used sarcastically by comedians. i was stunned that someone so close to my immediate family could actually think like that

can't say I've ever had such an encounter, the only signs of the "War on Christmas" I've seen are from people who are absolutely convinced it is a real thing, and see it as another form of soft persecution for their beliefs (slight exaggeration but not that much, I live in TX)

on their facebook page

"merry christmas"

only people that have gotten mad about people saying "happy holidays" which is ironic

in 2016 you should never assume someone lives a certain way. i dont give a shit about the phrases "happy holidays/merry christmas"... i just feel sorry that someone could be so close minded and in their bubble that they dont think its possible for someone to not celebrate christmas or maybe they have zero family and friends and want the holiday season to pass. unless you have some evidence (i.e. theyre buying xmas gift wrapping or wearing a reindeer sweater) please dont project your way of life onto others.

of dumb shit.

"projecting your way of life onto someone else?"

so if I say "have a good evening" when you want to have a bad one or are in a funk it's projecting my way of life onto you?

seriously?

FOH

Its just a normal greeting, and normally used because they don't want to say Christmas and upset a person that doesn't celebrate it.

When you have off for work for Christmas they call that shit a Holiday Vacation. I don't see nan person saying "Nah fuck a Holiday I'm taking my ass to work!" Them niggas off with everybody else because it is a Holiday. It might not be YOUR Holiday, but it is one.

You get upset at someone saying something like that just to be friendly then you're an idiot, and probably why no one wants to be around you.

those people are ALWAYS looking for a reason to be offended

they like to argue, they love being miserable. They walk into every establishment looking for shit that's wrong so they can stay in their funk.

How the hell are we supposed to know? Just don't speak until "they project their life onto yours" and then respond accordingly?

see how fucked up that is?

it's the holiday season man. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, New Years Eve, etc... Enjoy the well wishes, and celebrate your holiday. If you wish me a Merry Christmas, i won't take it as an offense unless you're one of those weird fucks who says it all aggressively, like a threat, because you perceived my 'Happy Holidays' as a war on your Christmas. Also, don't be one of those dicks yelling Merry Christmas as muslims or jews. not cool.

it's a weird fight to pick. I work in a office that's at least half Jewish, so for us it's The Holidays. Everyone is allowed at the party. If you're Jewish, happy Hanukkah. No Worries. If you're Christian and you celebrate Christmas, then it's Merry Christmas. Who gives a shit. If I'm not sure where you fall, I'll throw you a sincere Happy Holidays and keep it moving.

This is one people on both sides just really need to chill the fuck out on imo.

I don't celebrate, no xmas tree, no nothing, it's just another day to me
yet I don't get mad or go off on a "Merry Christmas" greeting.
My mom didn't raise an asshole so I say "thank you, and merry christmas to you too" or some variation and KIM
It's not that hard

cause the back up kicker is an atheist

because FUCK a school prayer.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

that got me excited!

that was my goal

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

fuck you and your little feewings about a 30 second prayer.

that shit ain't hurting your life.

it works both ways

but don't stop me from praying

I think that's the difference.

if you don't pray, cool... but don't stop others from doing it.

anywhere

as long as you do it QUIETLY and so long as the SCHOOL isn't sponsoring it, so that you/school are not promoting a religion. Any religion.

You can say a quiet, private prayer at any time before, during, or after a sporting event. That's not the issue.

The issue is whether it is a SCHOOL-sponsored and promoted agenda item.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

cuz the aftermath will be he larry us

Why does whatever you say or do have to hurt someone in order for you not to like it?

"Why can't you just say xyz? What does it hurt you to say it instead of abc?"

^^^ That's such a bullshit ass justification.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

absolutely
not

You want prayer in school, go to a private school

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

most times it's the players who want to pray before a game.

and some pray after.

the atheist don't have to participate but why stop those who do?

are you sure it's not the school? If a few players go someplace quiet and say a prayer, that's not imposing on others. But if the players say, well, we are the majority and therefore we get to be loud and intrusive, then no. Not okay. That does impinge on the rights of others.

Also, one of the reasons for the Judicial Branch of the government is to "prevent a tyranny of the majority." The majority of people harmed others in the Cultural Revolution in China. The majority of people harmed others in Germany in WWII. The majority is not right by virtue of being the majority. A moral, legal, and ethical consideration is required.

The protection of people in the minority is an essential part of the rule of law in this country. Brown v. Board of Education caused outrage and backlash, indeed, so has any progress in affording Black people greater protection and equality. Does the fact that the majority of people in this country are racist make racism right?

This is a secular country. We do not have a state religion. Your words in prayer may not hurt me, but I'm a middle aged white cis lawyer. I have the strength of my convictions and I know that the law protects me. Young people *are* harmed by normalizing one religion at the expense of another or at the expense of no religion, just the way Black people are harmed by normalizing the "majority" position that Black people are dangerous.



~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

where exactly is it that a kid stops, prays, and someone says DON'T DO THAT

or is that not really a thing that happens?

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pretty sure it was a hot topic a few years ago.

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because it's unconstitutional, aka the highest law in the land.

good talk!

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Is it a mandate?

Are you saying that every high school athletic team who prays before or after a game does so by school sponsored mandate and every player is required to participate and that there are no instances where the school sponsored mandate isn't a part of it?

I know you really want to make up some stuff I didn't say, so why don't you just have a discussion with yourself about things you'd like to pretend I said.

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a school administrator I would prolly not want any school staff to participate so as not to give the impression that its school sponsored or that there would be some sort of repercussions for not participating.

But to your original point, if everyone on your team isn't cool with the idea of group pre game prayer, Why would you impose those beliefs or practices on others?

>a school administrator I would prolly not want any school
>staff to participate so as not to give the impression that its
>school sponsored or that there would be some sort of
>repercussions for not participating.

Agreed. That's just good sense.

>But to your original point, if everyone on your team isn't
>cool with the idea of group pre game prayer, Why would you
>impose those beliefs or practices on others?

How exactly is a group prayer imposing any belief or practice on anyone else?

Unless there's a mandate with repercussions that's not valid. In fact, denying other students the ability to pray as they see fit is just as bad as mandating that a student participates. If 5% of the students who do not wish to participate are the catalyst that says the remaining 95% can't do it at all, that's every bit as bad.

the ability to pray either.

If folks wanna pray pregame, they can pray...whether that's isolated or part of a group. Just like if they wanna spend pre game singing a song, taking a group photo, whatever else gets them ready for pregame.

At the point that its 'hey, everyone, lets get to together for this group prayer' I'd think that is a bit much bc it assumes that everyone prays or is okay with praying in a similar manner and/or about the same topics that you do.

At the same time, an invitation to group prayer isn't something i'd get all worked about it either. Just don't impose and assume i want to pray with you as in grab my hand, close your eyes, and start talking to god

like, if you could communicate privately with the god of your choice and there was literally nothing anyone could do about it.

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of my statement so he could try to disagree with me.

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your beliefs on others.

What is the purpose of the prayer? Is it to get god's blessing or as some form of team bonding exercise.

if its to get gods blessing, wouldn't the prayer be as powerful as a silent one.

IF its for team bonding, wouldn't it make more sense to do something that is inclusive of everyone's beliefs?

I reffed a game once, and before we went out there, this ref held our hands and started praying. FIRST OF ALL, unless you a female don't hold my hand. 2ndly, don't just start praying without asking me if i want to join. And give me back my hand.

the weird thing is they don't think that what they're doing is "pc culture"

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And naked racism is seen and ACCEPTED on a daily fucking basis.

Bigots are quick to complain about political correctness gone mad, but bigots are fucking morons by definition so assuming they have applied a rigorous thought process to a statement dribbling out of their gaping maw is almost certainly giving them too much credit.

Political correctness NEEDS to run amok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99s19HBs-6A

All "PC" means is "polite" or "kind" or "taking other people's feelings into account".

The people who say that "PC" is a bad thing are the ones who also say "damn, people used to be so considerate, but I guess children aren't taught to be polite any more."


~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

I think PC is good, it means I'm not going to be an asshole because of someones background or how they look different than me.

But I do agree that there is a thing that is going too far, like the example homie gave above about saying something like "Happy Holidays" and someone losing their damn mind. It's a general greeting.

If I greeted a man with "Hello sir" and he lost his shit saying how dare I assume his gender then I'm going to be caught off guard. I feel like its an overreaction thing.

people lose their shit over *any* thing, and normally we just read it as someone having a bad day or being inherently assholish. these specific examples only get blown out of proportion because they're bursting people's bubbles.

people who take issue with "p.c. culture" aren't complaining about unpleasant human interactions like this happy holidays shit. no need to throw that in the box. they're complaining about having to live their lives being considerate of people that don't share their experiences and assumptions.

which is fucked up, because most of the "pc" people they're complaining about are probably bending over backwards to fit in and get by with the majority.

I can open doors, say "thank you", help an elderly person, respect my parents, etc and turn my head to look your way and call you a retard.

What's stupid about it all is that not everyone is offended by "un-PC" labels and the like. There are "little people" that are not offended by the term "midget" and some that are.

Eastern Michigan University's teams were called the Hurons. In the early 90's white folks decided that it was offensive to Natives and that a name change was in order to be more "PC". The Wyandot people had no issue whatsoever with it and, in fact, the chief said that it was an honor to be associated with the school in that manner. The name was changed anyways.


On top of this, what people deem to be PC today will inevitably be offensive tomorrow so there's almost no way for your language to be PC at all times:

"Feeble Minded" was the medical term for a person with mental deficiencies along with "idiot" and "imbecile" (yes... these were actual, factual medical classifications). It was replaced by "moron", which itself was replaced with "mental retardation", which itself is now "intellectual disability", but even that term is slowly being regarded as an insult.

"Disabled" or "handicapped" are being seen as insulting nowadays with some folks preferring "special needs" or "challenged".

There's no real way to be PC; you're going to offend someone at some point despite your best efforts.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

that those who are offended might not be justified in feeling that way

what's stupid is that we've stalled out so much on progress with things like relating to people with physical or intellectual differences that people have to keep inventing new labels to try to stay ahead of negative connotations and prejudice, and we keep applying the same baggage to new words.

language is going to change regardless. the evolution of other nouns and adjectives isn't loaded, and we don't discuss that as "p.c." so words changing and people having to keep up isn't the problem. we don't wring our hands at the changing popularity of children's names.

we keep up with new slang and new media trends. but it's too much to recognize that there are some *SLIGHT* differences between the 70s/80s and today in what kind of language is likely to be considered offensive? it ain't really all that hard.

politeness and consideration really are the issues here.

not that it ever went away, but our next president is ramping that shit up to 100. really awesome stuff.

Used to shut down dissenting thoughts or ideas.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-swaddled-generation/2015/05/19/162ea17a-fe6a-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html?utm_term=.e57766517756


Univ of Chicago pushed back: http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/univ-chicago-pushes-back-trigger-warnings-safe-spaces

Those are the red flags for me.

The level of tolerance for dissenting views seems to be real low...

And some folk's individual tolerance for anything that makes them uncomfortable also seems shamefully low...

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http://time.com/31960/school-bans-teachers-from-using-red-ink-because-its-too-mean/

an F and an A+ were both in red ink

if you don't want your feelings hurt, do better and then you won't care about the ink they use to mark A on your paper...



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No more "Aye... why you disspecking me teach?" *points at red/blue ink*

because the word "Black" is scary to say out loud LMAO

That ^ isn't real. But I've been asked about it. "Why do we say redline when we're not printing in color?"

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/30/political-correctness-how-the-right-invented-phantom-enemy-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw

"PC was a useful invention for the Republican right because it helped the movement to drive a wedge between working-class people and the Democrats who claimed to speak for them. “Political correctness” became a term used to drum into the public imagination the idea that there was a deep divide between the “ordinary people” and the “liberal elite”, who sought to control the speech and thoughts of regular folk. Opposition to political correctness also became a way to rebrand racism in ways that were politically acceptable in the post-civil-rights era."

for the right PC means they can say whatever they want about people but as soon as someone fired back they get in their feelings.

It definitely works to win silly debates online but this election still came down to arrogance and a refusal to put in more work on the ground.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

>for the right PC means they can say whatever they want about
>people but as soon as someone fired back they get in their
>feelings.

the discussion or argument.
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they wanna name call

cuz that's all it really boils down to
certain people want the lol... 'right'...to call people names

It's fake

>I mean outside of the usual suspects saying "PC culture is
>ruining America" and meaning "I can't say what I used to say
>or say hateful things out loud...." I want to really
>understand what people mean when they say "PC Culture"
>
>some folks legit see it as a big threat which is
>a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.

If people think they have the right to offend people the offended have the right to be offended and articulate why.

Being offended that someone has taken offense? Uhhh...

If the gripe is that the offended can now mobilise and snatch a person's job, the problem is capitalism and the way it bends to money rather than what is right.

Wanting a right to say whatever without being subject to dissent is Trump thought. People buying into that increase the justification Trump supporters feel about what they do.

Students protest Boys Don't Cry filmmaker, call her a "cis white bitch"
http://www.newnownext.com/kimberly-peirce-boys-dont-cry-protest/12/2016/

Man saves dog from kangaroo, SJW trolls go for his job
http://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/740130/kangaroo-island-Australia-fight-viral-video

No Shave November about men's health is deemed toxic masculinity
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/no-shave-november-after-a-decade-of-success-is-now-under-attack-for-being-too-masculine/

Cis white male professor loses his job for walking out of a meeting
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-incident-behind-ryerson-anti-racism-protests-hardly-black-and-white


words like "boys, girls, he and she" are being banned in England
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4020872/Stop-calling-boys-girls-Advisers-paid-200k-help-train-teachers-claim-using-sex-specific-classrooms-unfair-transgenders.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/oxford-university-students-gender-neutral-pronouns-peter-tatchell-student-union-ze-xe-a7470196.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Canadian cis white male professor loses his job for having his own opinion.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-b-c-teacher-fired-for-having-the-wrong-opinion

school bans To Kill A Mockingbird for racial slurs
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/a-school-has-banned-pulitzer-winning-classic-to-kill-a-mockingbird-because-it-contains-racial-slurs-a7451501.html

members of Columbia's wrestling team suspended for private group messages
http://nypost.com/2016/11/18/columbia-suspends-wrestlers-for-vulgar-text-messages/

doubt OKP will see these as too PC, but most people outside of your bubble do.

http://time.com/4475614/kareem-abdul-jabbar-political-incorrectness/

he makes both cases in this article:

"...A majority of Americans agree with them. Nearly 60% of Americans said political correctness is a problem in our country. Those worried that we’ve gone too far in our pursuit of political correctness falls pretty solidly along party lines: twice as many Republicans as Democrats think it’s a problem. Only 18% think we aren’t politically correct enough..."

So... lemme get this straight... More than half of the country thinks it's a problem including people from BOTH parties (of the people who think it's a problem 66.666% are republican and 33.333% are democrats)... And you're still trying to say that somehow we got it all wrong? Okayplayer.

"...That “coddled” assessment seemed confirmed when 25 students at UCLA staged a sit-in because a professor had corrected the spelling and grammar errors on graduate-level essays. They accused him of creating a “hostile campus climate” for students of color..."

Y'all niggas need to proofread ya shit before turning it in. You're at grad level, a lot of that shit wouldn't even fly in high school! Fuck you mean "hostile environment" when you're turning in "eep opp ork ah ah" essays???

Fuck all the way outta here. Essays talmbout "See what had happened was..." and shit... written like a text message with emojis and shit.

"...A survey at Yale University had 63% of students wanting professors to issue “trigger warnings” before saying anything that some might find offensive or could cause painful emotions..."

You're an adult. Sometime ideas will be expressed by your professor that you don't like. Learn to deal with it like an adult because the world is not going to make everything comfortable for YOU and it's impossible to do so anyways because it's impossible for everyone around you to know what "triggers" you nor do complete strangers have an obligation to care about it.

"... Students at the University of New Hampshire were issued a list of resources to help them avoid offensive language such as American (because it suggests the U.S. is the only country in the Americas), homosexual (PC version: “same-gender-loving”), elderly (“people of advanced age”) and healthy (“nondisabled”)..."

Do I even have to write anything here???

"You're an adult. Sometime ideas will be expressed by your professor that you don't like. Learn to deal with it like an adult because the world is not going to make everything comfortable for YOU and it's impossible to do so anyways because it's impossible for everyone around you to know what "triggers" you nor do complete strangers have an obligation to care about it."

that's an interesting take.

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>he makes both cases in this article:

He does more than that

>So... lemme get this straight... More than half of the country
>thinks it's a problem including people from BOTH parties (of
>the people who think it's a problem 66.666% are republican and
>33.333% are democrats)... And you're still trying to say that
>somehow we got it all wrong? Okayplayer.

"Since the early 1990s, politically correct has been the go-to phrase to whip up support from people who think social tolerance has become threatening, excessive or frivolous.

“Political correctness is killing our country,” Donald Trump tweeted. Ben Carson, when he was briefly the leading Republican candidate, told Fox’s Bill O’Reilly that political correctness was “destroying our nation.” Ted Cruz criticized President Obama’s policies toward ISIS by claiming that “political correctness is killing people.” Marco Rubio complained that the reason he didn’t discuss his faith in public was that he “had been conditioned by political correctness.” Jeb Bush joined the choir with “The political correctness of our country needs to be shattered.”

I call the 2nd paragraph getting it wrong."Killing our country","destroying our nation"and "killing people" PC is doing all that ? You agree with that ?

>
>Do I even have to write anything here???
>

You could write about this

"This apocalyptic backlash against what seems like a relatively benign combination of good old-fashioned manners and simple sensitivity toward others stems from several factors, including a growing rage, fear and frustration among many Americans as the country continues to evolve into something different from what they are used to. Just as it did for their parents and grandparents. New technology can make us feel foolish, rapidly changing trends make us feel marginalized, and the eroding of our familiar and comforting traditions leaves us uncertain and uncomfortable. Every generation must deal with mourning the loss of its good ol’ days. It’s hard for many Americans to reconcile their romanticized fantasy of Main Street USA with today’s reality.The truth is that only 46% of children 18 and under live in a home with two heterosexual parents who are in their first marriage. In 1960, 73% did. But Mayberry isn’t coming back."

and this

"every political and social policy or tradition has examples of excess. We don’t define the value of a policy based on incidences that might seem extreme. We can point at the absurd behavior of zealots around all our most cherished values. We poke fun at “helicopter” parents for being overprotective of their children, but that doesn’t mean we want to erase safety laws and policies that protect kids."

Maybe a few words for this

"There is some evidence that it works. Research at Cornell University concluded that political correctness may aid the creativity of mixed-gender work teams."

It's several points that he makes in the article which you could address.

wtf is this bullshit of a word? also are black women using it?

"stepped down amid a hue and cry that he committed “a violent act of anti-Blackness, misogyny and misogynoir (a newish term for misogyny directed at black women)” by walking out of an anti-racism meeting last month."

You disqualify yourself from grown up conversation immediately when you use that shiterag to back one of your points.

He and She are not being banned in England. He and She will never be banned in England because we're not the mental caricatures of SJWs that the Daily Mail try to make out of anyone who isn't a swivel-eyed, neighbour-hating proto-fascist. The Daily Mail have been running stories about shit like that since anyone can remember, hell, they used to have a bit of a soft-spot for Hitler - it's all just a rouse to shoe-horn more intolerance and hate whilst making you feel like you're somehow doing "good" by marginalising yet more people.

They run the same stories calling black people thugs on the regular, but I imagine you're woke enough to spot the bullshit agendas there.

This type of story is exactly the reason the UK ended up voting for Brexit - every tiny story gets whipped up into a "THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR CULTURE!" rant.

You're helping them.

Fuck off.

Look at this post. A bunch of replies insinuating that everyone that thinks this country is too PC just wants to call people slurs and otherwise insult and demean folks.

Yet no one posted anything on this site that actually backs that position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

What's too PC is the polarized world view that is pushed onto people: either you're with them 100% or you're against them 100%. That's called a 'False Dichotomy' and has also been normalized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma


The normalization of basic logical fallacies is a consequence of things being "too PC" nowadays.


Here are a few more modern classics used by the uber-PC folks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

etc.

You can pretty-much run down most of the list. Notice how many "arguments" that you see *from both sides* match up with one of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

That and the straw man are two of the bigger reasons I avoid participating in debates even when I think I have something valuable to add. Pretty much puts Facebook threads off-limits.

When I've tried to point out a fallacy it's usually met with hostility, as if I am questioning someone's intelligence or diverting from the actual subject.

It makes me wish logic was emphasized more as a core requirement at colleges. Shit, highschool even.

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Way to be a basic dude tho.

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>Look at this post. A bunch of replies insinuating that
>everyone that thinks this country is too PC just wants to call
>people slurs and otherwise insult and demean folks.
>
>Yet no one posted anything on this site that actually backs
>that position.

Trump has justified his extremely aggressive anti-Muslim policies by saying that he’s the only one anti-PC enough to try and ban all of them from entering the country.

People aren’t against a ban on Muslim immigration because of political correctness, they’re against it because it’s freaking insane. Lots of people have written at length about why it’s deadset batshit to discriminate against 1.6 billion people because of the actions of a handful, but it really doesn’t need much examination: it just doesn’t make any sense.

“Trump’s use of the term allows to be Trumpish in the way they say this nasty discriminatory stuff,” he said.

A review of every Trump tweet and retweet since he announced his run for president in June illustrates this point:

“So many “politically correct” fools in our country. We have to all get back to work and stop wasting time and energy on nonsense!” he tweeted on August 8. It was retweeted 12,205 times.

In June, he retweeted one fan who wrote, “wish there were more people in the public eye with this attitude. It’s only way 2 defeat political correctness.” And another in July who wrote, “Glad U R Man Enough 2 Speak the Truth in this Pathetic Politically Correct World.”

Matthew Woessner, a political science professor at Penn State University, Harrisburg, is among those who believe that people, especially on college campuses, have taken concerns over offensive language to an extreme. But he also thinks Trump has co-opted the term politically correct to make sweeping, dishonest statements he can’t otherwise defend.

Guilt by association. Or the general theme of 'Racist people have used the term 'politically correct' therefor if one uses the term 'politically correct' they are racist.

You and RJCC might just want to stop posting in this thread because those logical fallacies have whatever you will say pretty much covered.

Maybe you can use blackface in this thread the way you used the paper bag test in the other thread or you can talk about how Trump is a blank slate,who's racist rants aren't genuine.

That you think my alluding to the paper bag test is an indictment against me is hilarious. Of course, you are incapable of saying WHY my allusion to the paper bag test is problematic. After all, you are the one who called the koran 'the book of poor brown people' lol.

And Trump has walked back his racist rhetoric since being elected. I was absolutely correct about that...and alot more! I invite you to quote ONE racist comment he's made since winning the election. And if you can't...then it proves my point that he was manipulating race to win the election in a disingenuous manner.

really strengthens your argument.

>That you think my alluding to the paper bag test is an
>indictment against me is hilarious. Of course, you are
>incapable of saying WHY my allusion to the paper bag test is
>problematic. After all, you are the one who called the koran
>'the book of poor brown people' lol.

The fact that you need someone to explain it to you is the real problem but it fits a pattern. Make sure you keep the Talib thing going so that it will reinforce the bad look it gives you and those who bought into it.

>And Trump has walked back his racist rhetoric since being
>elected. I was absolutely correct about that...and alot more!
> I invite you to quote ONE racist comment he's made since
>winning the election. And if you can't...then it proves my
>point that he was manipulating race to win the election in a
>disingenuous manner.
>

Why would I quote a racist comment that Trump made since winning the election given the mountain of evidence you provided that proves he is not racist.

Yes it was absolutely correct to say Trump was not racist and say when I called you out on Trump being racist I was right. It's not like Trump picked Bannon as his chief strategist or Jeff Sessions for attorney general, no Trump walked back his racism and has not made a racist comment in a month.

That is a very coherent argument.

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it's also hypocritical to scold okps for what you believe they are "insinuating" but then remind them to not over-interpret.

even to the point where the perception of a slight overrides the intention, which is the exact opposite of how healthy people process things.

And it makes it impossible for them to cope with anyone who doesn't read the same verbal code books and hang in the same insular clubs and see everything their way.

It's destructive to social progress and basic social interaction when everywhere you turn somebody is violating you with their misuse of syllables and figures of speech.

I don't think it's particularly relevant but I'm glad you felt you should bring it up


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I'm not gonna bother. The fact is I agree the old.days had fucked up codes. In many ways much worse. But we're talking about different things.

what folks are whining about.

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and for much dumber reasons, and STILL DO, making any complaint about "PC culture" completely fucking idiotic.

thank you for proving that so smoothly.


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think i missed something here.

also it would be a brand new thing that has never existed and was only invented by social justice warriors in 2009

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth


I could go on, but I've got shit to do.

anyone who brings up POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is a fucking idiot who doesn't know history.

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a nice old man at her favorite convenience store revealed himself to be a misogynist piece of shit because he apparently took it upon himself to read her as being sad and said "smile, it's ok" which apparently was totally uncalled for and now she doesn't know if she can go back there and give that store her business.

That was maybe a couple years ago, and was first time I ever heard that telling someone to smile is considered really bad now.

I tried explaining that "I don't think he meant to assert that your face his his to control, he just felt bad that you were sad, and probably wanted to let you know he wishes you happiness" and she was like "road to hell is paved with good intentions" and started quoting feminist material to me and I was like "If I don't know of these things, I highly doubt this guy has any clue about these things" and she was like "ignorance is no excuse for being a sexist pig" etc

One notch crazier, or had this guy's store been near a college campus, and my guess is she may have tried to organize a movement to put him out of business.

all cause he told her to smile.

lol

You can't even be friendly.

I do think that some people look for wild reason to be offended by some simple shit. Dude was just trying to be nice.

I used to say 'good morning' to everybody on the way to work, on the elevator, etc. I'm just built that way. I'm one of those 'Everyday is a good day until something bad happens' people. I used to hold doors for women, and all of that.

Now? In a public setting, I rarely speak to women I don't know. Once they started that whole Street Harassment thing, I just stopped speaking, I don't hold doors for people. I'm not rude, but I don't interact with strangers as often as I used to. I'd rather say nothing than have a simple greeting be misconstrued. It sucks that you can't be friendly to people, but hey. If I don't say anything, I can't get into trouble.

I always thought that shit was for the birds
turns out I was right all along
but what trips me out is I've been with dudes that street hollered
and it worked (they got the digits)

It just confirmed for me, if she likes you/is attracted then it's not a problem
just like in the club: dudes that slid up behind chicks and started grinding and she wasn't feeling him were creeps
but if she was feeling him, grind away!

>I always thought that shit was for the birds
>turns out I was right all along
>but what trips me out is I've been with dudes that street
>hollered
>and it worked (they got the digits)


Yep.

>
>It just confirmed for me, if she likes you/is attracted then
>it's not a problem

Yep.

>just like in the club: dudes that slid up behind chicks and
>started grinding and she wasn't feeling him were creeps
>but if she was feeling him, grind away!

I've actually phrased the question so that they can see the lack of logic. "so...if you like the guy, it's cool to come hard like that. But if you don't like him, he's a caveman?"

Them: "Yeah. See...that's different."


So, you can tell 'em to smile if you're a male model. But if you're a regular joe, you're a street harasser.

They'll give the benefit of the doubt to a dude that they think might get it if he doesn't make an ass of himself or say the wrong thing

spazzing out if they ignore you? Now that's some caveman shit.

In big cities tho... you gotta shoot your shot or you may never see them again.

I've always seen cold street holla as the ultimate in numbers game optimism and anyone who employs that technique may as well employ their desire to hassle people out of the blue to sell them some shit they didn't ask for in the door-to-door sales or telemarketing arena.

It just kind of reeks of desperation.

and I been holla'd at on the streets by women cause I'm a fly ass dude.

I survived.

>and I been holla'd at on the streets by women cause I'm a fly
>ass dude.
>
>I survived.
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>and I been holla'd at on the streets by women cause I'm a fly
>ass dude.
>
>I survived.


Dude this is still a thing. I honestly don't think everyone lives by these new rules. You can't be an asshole about a holla or you gonna get some bum ass broads. But talking to a lady like a gentlemen can get you somewhere. That's what I've lived by, talk to everyone with respect.

With that being said, I had some women say some WILD ass shit to me before. Almost had me wanting to throw my drink on her type of wild (I was wit it tho)

Also had women step to me really smooth and lady like. Ones that have told me to "smile". I didn't take it as them trying to control my facial expressions lol.

>
> That's what I've
>lived by, talk to everyone with respect.

true.


>Ones
>that have told me to "smile". I didn't take it as them trying
>to control my facial expressions lol.
>


exactly.
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granted I know why but damn..

telling me I'm too lite for them is cool..

but I said they were too dark for me? it's a problem.

>I've always seen cold street holla as the ultimate in numbers
>game optimism and anyone who employs that technique may as
>well employ their desire to hassle people out of the blue to
>sell them some shit they didn't ask for in the door-to-door
>sales or telemarketing arena.
>


You can street holla and still be a gentleman. You're talking about those "Hey Shorty, lemme holla at you" dudes.


>It just kind of reeks of desperation.

Not really. If you're a classy dude, you can do it without being crass.

You can be a gentlemen in your unsolicited solicitation, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an unsolicited solicitation.

>You can be a gentlemen in your unsolicited solicitation, but
>that doesn't change the fact that it's an unsolicited
>solicitation.


Every woman I've ever dated was at some point a stranger to me.

I met one of my exes at a book store. I asked her her name, we made small talk and exchanged numbers. Another at a club. same thing.


a cold call ain't always bad. As long as you act like you got some sense and show some respect, I think it's ok.

I can't operate under the assumption that nobody wants me to speak to them. Where's the humanity in that?


Should we all stop speaking to each other, just in case the other person doesn't want to be spoken to?

>I can't operate under the assumption that nobody wants me to
>speak to them. Where's the humanity in that?

Yes you can. You're just trying to couch your fondness for the cold holla in some broader idealism.

>Should we all stop speaking to each other, just in case the
>other person doesn't want to be spoken to?

Yeah that's a gross over generalization that ignores the context of this discussion completely.

I speak when the fuck I want and to who the fuck I want to...

if they have a problem that's on them.

Fuck I look like being seen as the aggressor for saying Good Morning?

crazy asses...lmao.

its not like women woke up one day and were like
"you know, men aint shit."

it was a reaction to some of us acting brand new
it was a reaction to them feeling honestly afraid that shit could pop off if they turn down a mans advances.
it was a reaction to not being able to just exist for a second as a human being

Say "good morning" or not but simply saying good morning to a stranger is not the same thing as a street holler.

>its not like women woke up one day and were like
>"you know, men aint shit."
>


That's not my point. My point is everything is filed under "Street Harrasment". No questions asked.

A friend of mine makes jewelry. He saw a girl and commented on her jewelry. She stopped him mid sentence and went on about how she didn't wear it for him, etc. That's a bit much, no?


>it was a reaction to some of us acting brand new

*some*.

>it was a reaction to them feeling honestly afraid that shit
>could pop off if they turn down a mans advances.

duly noted.

>it was a reaction to not being able to just exist for a second
>as a human being

C'mon now. Not all guys behave like cretins. Nor do we deny them the right to exist.

>
>Say "good morning" or not but simply saying good morning to a
>stranger is not the same thing as a street holler.

we agree on that, at least.

>A friend of mine makes jewelry. He saw a girl and commented on
>her jewelry. She stopped him mid sentence and went on about
>how she didn't wear it for him, etc. That's a bit much, no?

How is that "a bit much"?
That’s the sound of entitlement.

You calling that "too much" is actually a perfect example of the issue: you think your unsolicited advance deserves a response and, more importantly, deserves a positive response.

If she's game, Cool.

If she's not? Cool.

If she tells you to fuck off and kill yourself while your momma watches? Cool.

Because you're owed nothing in response, let alone anything polite.

>>it was a reaction to not being able to just exist for a
>second
>>as a human being
>
>C'mon now. Not all guys behave like cretins. Nor do we deny
>them the right to exist.

The issue isn’t behaving like cretins. It doesn’t really matter what your approach is. If it’s unwanted, it’s unwanted. You being “nice” doesn’t really change anything.

And, yes, you are depriving them of their right to "just exist", i.e, be left alone, particularly if you expect anything at all in response. I think you're being obtuse with the use of the term "exist".

>>Say "good morning" or not but simply saying good morning to
>a
>>stranger is not the same thing as a street holler.
>
>we agree on that, at least.

Regardless, you’re not owed anything in response and if they tell you to go fuck yourself, that’s what it is.

a guy who makes jewelry was complimenting a woman's jewelry. Not hitting on her, not trying to gain any type of favor.

>a guy who makes jewelry was complimenting a woman's jewelry.
>Not hitting on her, not trying to gain any type of favor.

All of that is irrelevant. You called her response "too much" as though your friend deserved anything at all.

Hence, entitled.

>>a guy who makes jewelry was complimenting a woman's
>jewelry.
>>Not hitting on her, not trying to gain any type of favor.
>
>All of that is irrelevant. You called her response "too much"
>as though your friend deserved anything at all.
>
>Hence, entitled.
>

Yeah, I want the right to talk to someone how I like but they don't have the right to respond how they like. Eff what's going on in their world as long as I can claim I'm spreading good vibes and love. Kind of like how Trump claims no-one has more respect for women than him.

Then folks want to shake their heads at Trump supporters as if they don't apply the same kind of logic to their life.

The right wing have their own versions of sacred triggers that they feel obligated to take offense to, whether or not it's even natural to be so offended.

gt(entire)fohwbs

i'm all for having a filter but i think a huge problem is that pc-talk blots out alot of the gray areas of race & stereotypes in america.

i love fried chicken. and basketball. and jive talk. AND i shall not apologize nor be shamed.

my hispanic neigbor has a gold front tooth and a very large nuclear family.

my white male coworkers love saying homo-erotic shit to one another in mixed company.

sometimes shit is what it is. but that dont mean its ALWAYS like that. and more often than not, everyday folks are smarter
and way more complex than they're given credit for.

life is so much fucking easier when u keep the "i could be wrong door" open.

all these think tanks coming up with new words for old shit and expecting everyone to adopt them automatically or brand them awful is exhausting.

Honestly, I think it's one of the main reasons Trump won. Not because he was some genius. Dude knew a large portion of America is tired of the "elite media" telling them how to think and what to be angry about..

it's still jobs, jobs, jobs and AMUUUURICA IS DA BEST!!!

even if it isn't true it's what people want to believe.

Yeah, its fucked up comedians can't crack jokes on campus and people grab their virtual torches to vilify someone for a random joke on twitter. Real life will fix that eventually, because real life ain't politically correct.

The issue is 9 outta 10 times I hear complaints about 'PC culture' its basically an excuse to normalize racism. Not, 'Hey, I just cracked a joke

I too have gotten in awkward situations where I used the wrong gender pronoun, or EXTRA had to explain a joke. But fuck it, I don't mind. What I do mind is when you've got shows with white comedians wearing black face being racist as fuck on tv but it's cool because we are intentionally not PC!

http://splitsider.com/2016/12/adult-swim-cancels-its-alt-right-show-million-dollar-extreme/

The terror of PC is overblown. Racism tho, blooming like a beautiful alabaster pure race flower. PC backlash is what let alt-right grow in cool kid culture in plain sight.


>I mean outside of the usual suspects saying "PC culture is
>ruining America" and meaning "I can't say what I used to say
>or say hateful things out loud...." I want to really
>understand what people mean when they say "PC Culture"
>
>some folks legit see it as a big threat which is
>a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.

or people with a narrow sense of humor who go to comedy shows....

or people who attend a comedy show but don't know shit about the comedian they're there to see....

And decide that they're offended by the comedian so much that they fuck up the show for everyone else because their delicate sensibilities can't override the fact that it's a goddamned comedy show they don't have to attend and nobody has barred the exits.

he didn't laugh one time.

To this day I wonder if he wanted to or if he truly didn't find him funny.

then again, some of y'all are honkies.

either way - get over yourselves.

marginalized ppl use their voices to stick up for themselves in the face of offensive treatment. if you're one of those doing the oppressing then check yourself. or continue being a dick. but know that the marginalized won't stand for your shit in silence. and their may be recourse other than voiced complaints.

*shrugs*

i was alive in the '70s and never once heard a person say it IRL...

one can be verified and the other not so much

i'm all for ppl not being shitty to one another, but it ain't always easy getting there

sometimes the answer simply involves folks lightening up.

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http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stewie-head-turn.gif

Basically a racist screed threatening violence, masquerading in the author's mind as a call of solidarity with oppressed people.

>marginalized ppl use their voices to stick up for themselves
>in the face of offensive treatment.

ALL people do this. /end thread

Language shapes the way we see the world. Changing language to become more inclusive and address inherent biases is a positive thing. We can see the outcomes of 90's academia in our modern society and I think it's been beneficial. We're fooling ourselves if we think it hasn't, at times, run amok at college campuses though. I would be lying if I said these tyrannical kids don't scare me sometimes. And I don't think this 'safe space' pro-censorship culture is harmless. The links that Mash provided in post 59 are legitimate concerns imo.

I'm not white or Christian or republican. Political correctness is dog whistle for those folks. Crying because people say Happy Holidays shit

Folks proclaim the fight against political correctness like they're fighting against voter suppression or something.

I assume they *think* they're talking about their First Amendment rights.

But in reality, totally misinformed on how the First Amendment is applied--i.e. forgetting the whole government part.

Or who knows, maybe they're talking about some new "freedom of speech" where everyone agrees with them or stays quiet, and folks aren't ever confronted and/or held accountable for the stupid shit they say.

i KNOW there are some closet Trump voters here

Keep codifying some cointelpro shit because you saw others on Twitter say it and you want to be trendy too... niggas complaining about SJWs and PC culture, the lot of us will repeat anything to be "wavy"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-martin-carrie-fisher-tweet_us_58642c36e4b0de3a08f70427

claiming PC CULTRUE RUN AMOK

for someone saying something on the internet is kinda weird.

it seems like an example of people wanting to be offended at a backlash that barely exists at all, just so they have something to blame....which is what this post is about

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the OP asked for examples...

yet somehow you tried to make the Steve Martin example into something bigger.

there's nothing to respond to there.

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the only people tweeting about it that I can find, are the people outraged because the tweet was deleted.

there were two articles that came up, one on something called The Cut and one on New York Magazine.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/steve-martin-this-isnt-how-you-pay-tribute-to-carrie-fisher.html?mid=twitter_nymag

the idea that there was this massive wave of feminists plowing over steve martin doesn't quite hold up.

a few people had an opinion, he opted out of controversy at a time when it wasn't needed.

THEN the outrage began.

There are more than a few feminists on twitter that I follow. None of them ever tweeted about Steve Martin at all.

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Nigga, who cares who you know on the internet.

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the term "shaming".

damn y'all are losers

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i know she got handled and all but what's the PC complaint with Rousey?

https://streamable.com/vcdm6

Falling for the white hype?

my question still remains

so they've decided that she is retroactively a feminist icon, invalid, and anything bad they can say about her applies.

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