Poll question: Yeezy in the hospital: publicity stunt or nah?

Poll result (28 votes) It's a stunt (5 votes) Vote Nah (23 votes) Vote

ye gave us lil' jimmy skits, spaceship, crack muzik, new slaves & m.j. gone - our nigga dead.

he'll have to come on stage w/a klan hood for me to forsake him.

hope he gets the help he needs. and removes the parasites from his life.

and until then, just hope he really gets the help he needs. mental health is a serious issue many people have a hard time coming to terms with.

He's an entitled egomaniac who says and does wild shit because he can while his fans enable him by validating his antics with all manner of fuzzy logic and plea copping.

Jay owes him a phone call.

Zuckerberg owes him a $58 million bailout.

Beyonce owes him a Grammy performance.

Radio owes him airplay for his favorite artists.

The fashion industry owes him a platform for his ideas.

On and on.

He thinks that being a significant musical artist entitles him to an absurd level of access to everyone and everything he so desires. He thinks he deserves the sort of access enjoyed by MJ, where A list celebrities fall all over themselves just to be in his presence and take part in his work.

Ye isn't that.
He wants that, which is fine. Who doesn't?

But he demands it like a spoiled, entitled brat. When he gets over himself and when his fans and yes men stop validating his frail ass ego, he'll be fine.

Now I'll go ahead and say I'm sure his mom passing and him feeling guilt over it has added to everything but over all I'd say you're spot on.

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Mental illness as being the cause of the traits/ characteristics you're observing.

>Mental illness as being the cause of the traits/
>characteristics you're observing.

Likewise, mental illness isn't the only possible reason for those characteristics.

He doesn't have to be mentally ill to be an arrogant, entitled, self centered, self important asshole.

Seems like "affluenza" to me.

Unless you're willing to assume mental illness for everyone with those qualities i see no reason to shoot down the idea that he's probably not mentally ill.

Personally I don't see anything he does that supports the mental illness conclusion. I see a lot to support the arrogant, egomaniacal asshole conclusion.

Fortunately I'm not a Ye Stan so I'm not blinded by fandom.

whether it's a clean bill of health or not


...are a bad idea.

deciding that someone you're "not a fan" of has their ONLY problem rooted in basically being a terrible person is wrapped in its own bias.

but that's for you to roll with.

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>whether it's a clean bill of health or not
>
>
>...are a bad idea.
>
>deciding that someone you're "not a fan" of has their ONLY
>problem rooted in basically being a terrible person is wrapped
>in its own bias.


^^^^^This....

>whether it's a clean bill of health or not
>
>
>...are a bad idea.
>deciding that someone you're "not a fan" of has their ONLY
>problem rooted in basically being a terrible person is wrapped
>in its own bias.

I'm a fan of his production work and two of his first three albums.

I'm not a *stan*, which is the level of fandom at play with those who make a million excuses for his endless stream of actions that portray him as a terrible person.

To me his actions paint a portrait of a self centered, spoiled brat who still throws tantrums when he doesn't get his way. Not someone who is mentally ill.

>but that's for you to roll with.

It's actually far worse for people to diagnose him as "mentally ill"- his rabid, apologetic and enabling fans included and in particular- than to offer the simple opinion that the guy is just an entitled asshole.

Ultimately I'll defer my opinion to that of the psychiatric professional who actually treats him, not the opinion of stans who give him passes and make excuses for him. People saying it's "obvious" that he's mentally ill are probably more in need of your attention than me saying he's just a dick.

while saying that you can tell he's not mentally ill.

you are diagnosing him.

can't have it both ways, as much as you'd like to.

and the reason why you'd like to is.....

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Facts.

Others: Reading tea leaves and/or hanging on anything to justify their idols behavior.

I’m not his doctor and neither is anyone else in here.

>while saying that you can tell he's not mentally ill.

No, I’m just stating my opinion, same as everyone else… with one significant difference.

>you are diagnosing him.

Yes, I diagnosed him as being an asshole who thinks people greater than him owe him a seat at their table.

Because, you know, that’s been well documented for some time now.
My so-called diagnosis is limited to documented and readily observable facts. It’s not a diagnosis, it’s an observation. Anything further will require, you know, an actual doctor who actually sees him and forms an opinion based on knowledge gained from years of study and practice in conjunction with personal interaction with Ye.

I'll defer to a diagnosis from a professional if and when that comes out, thank you very much.

Anyone in here calling him “obviously mentally ill” is a big leap in diagnosis from what I’ve said.

And, as I said, people doing that are in far greater need of your cape this morning.

We’re done here.

there's no caping involved.

you either can or cannot diagnose dude.

(you can't, so don't)

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He demands phone calls from better rappers.
He demands financial bailouts from better businessmen.
He demands a performance from greater performers.
He demands a platform for his fashion ideas the fashion industry.
He demands radio play the artists he likes.

I'll say whatever the fuck I want about the whose entire persona is predicated on saying whatever the fuck he wants.

we've covered that.

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we can only logically work with what we're given

he was (relatively) normal at one point

he went through a lot publicly, now he isnt remotely as normal as he was

a person who's supposed to put on professional performances that ends up ranting and hospitalized, it's pretty simplistic to call them an asshole

I'll defer to an actual diagnosis from an actual professional.

Until then I'm rolling with readily observable facts.

You guys can keep finding ways to justify him though. Lord knows that constant stream of validation and excuses doesn't contribute to this.

I just think there's a lot more going on than "he's being an asshole again"

I'd say everything about him up to this point warrants the scrutiny, eye rolling, and outright dismissals.

not that I'm some jerk who's trying to spread germs.


>
>It's actually far worse for people to diagnose him as
>"mentally ill"- his rabid, apologetic and enabling fans
>included and in particular- than to offer the simple opinion
>that the guy is just an entitled asshole.
>
>Ultimately I'll defer my opinion to that of the psychiatric
>professional who actually treats him, not the opinion of stans
>who give him passes and make excuses for him. People saying
>it's "obvious" that he's mentally ill are probably more in
>need of your attention than me saying he's just a dick.

A better analogy would be "If I asked Mark Zuckerberg for a 58 million dollar loan and got mad because he either turned me down or ignored me, you wouldn't look at me like I was sick, you'd say I was an entitled asshole".

Oh wait... that's not an analogy.

That's real life.

No dice, Chino.

It's all rooted in something psychological.

Mental illness doesn't remove personal responsibility. With my depression/anxiety, I may have symptoms that keep me from meeting deadlines, so my responsibility is to 1) seek treatment and/or 2) let me boss know and defer the tasks.

Mental illness is not an excuse. Mental illness can be treated. Being a "brat" is not a diagnosis and is not actionable.

>It's all rooted in something psychological.

That's incredibly broad. Everything we say and do is rooted in something psychological.

>Mental illness doesn't remove personal responsibility. With my
>depression/anxiety, I may have symptoms that keep me from
>meeting deadlines, so my responsibility is to 1) seek
>treatment and/or 2) let me boss know and defer the tasks.

It's going to remove personal responsibility for him in the eyes of the people who have made excuse after excuse for him since the day he became a known quantity.

>Mental illness is not an excuse. Mental illness can be
>treated.

Treatment requires a willing participant, namely someone who accepts the diagnosis as something more than a laminated card to flash when they're being an asshole. It also requires accountability from those around him, not a bunch of yes men eager to remain in his good graces and enabling fans touting all of his antics as genius, next level art.

Who knows if Ye is really mentally ill or if he'll accept a diagnosis or if he'd be a willing participant in his own treatment. I don't and neither do you, but it's clear that if the answer was "no" to all of the above, people would react negatively to it and you'd be there to make excuses for him.

>Being a "brat" is not a diagnosis and is not
>actionable.

Uh... yeah. What else is news?
Why would I think that's a diagnosis?

I don't recall presenting it as a diagnosis. Ye's online bodyguard up above thinks that meets the criteria of a diagnosis, but I sure don't.

Are you in his family?

Otherwise, you can't claim to know any of this about him.


>Treatment requires a willing participant, namely someone who
>accepts the diagnosis as something more than a laminated card
>to flash when they're being an asshole. It also requires
>accountability from those around him, not a bunch of yes men
>eager to remain in his good graces and enabling fans touting
>all of his antics as genius, next level art.
>
>Who knows if Ye is really mentally ill or if he'll accept a
>diagnosis or if he'd be a willing participant in his own
>treatment. I don't and neither do you, but it's clear that if
>the answer was "no" to all of the above, people would react
>negatively to it and you'd be there to make excuses for him.

I don't make excuses for anyone, so that's not "clear". Again, mental illness isn't an excuse. In your weird quest to make sure Kanye doesn't get any sympathy or grace from the public, you are making statements about people w/ mental illness in general that are harmful (asshole, brat, etc). That's all I care to comment on. I won't comment any further.

you feel?

>Are you in his family?
>
>Otherwise, you can't claim to know any of this about him.

Cool. I didn't make that claim though.

In fact you quoted me so I don't understand the point being made .

>>Treatment requires a willing participant, namely someone who
>>accepts the diagnosis as something more than a laminated
>card
>>to flash when they're being an asshole. It also requires
>>accountability from those around him, not a bunch of yes men
>>eager to remain in his good graces and enabling fans touting
>>all of his antics as genius, next level art.

^^^this isn't saying that I know he is or isn't any of the above. I'm responding directly and specifically to your comment. I do think a decade and a half of his antics does present some evidence that he's pretty resistant to personal accountability, but I've never claimed to know anything intimately. In fact, later in this very thread I said that anytime we talk about celebrities like this, it's purely speculative.

So again... not sure you're reacting to my actual words or to how it makes you feel.

>>Who knows if Ye is really mentally ill or if he'll accept a
>>diagnosis or if he'd be a willing participant in his own
>>treatment. I don't and neither do you, but it's clear that
>if
>>the answer was "no" to all of the above, people would react
>>negatively to it and you'd be there to make excuses for him.
>

>I don't make excuses for anyone, so that's not "clear". Again,
>mental illness isn't an excuse. In your weird quest to make
>sure Kanye doesn't get any sympathy or grace from the public,

lol what? My quest to make sure he doesn't get sympathy? Please elaborate on that and show your work. We're having a discussion from different points of view but nothing I've said can be remotely construed as "trying to make sure he doesn't get sympathy from the public.".

>you are making statements about people w/ mental illness in
>general that are harmful (asshole, brat, etc). That's all I
>care to comment on. I won't comment any further.

No, I'm making statements about KANYE WEST regarding a ridiculously long stream of documented words and actions and, unlike you, I am not diagnosing him as anything more than what his actions portray.

You seem to consider yourself a mental health professional who can diagnose people from afar. I don't.

>>Mental illness as being the cause of the traits/
>>characteristics you're observing.
>
>Likewise, mental illness isn't the only possible reason for
>those characteristics.
>
>He doesn't have to be mentally ill to be an arrogant,
>entitled, self centered, self important asshole.

Mentally healthy people don't operate like this though. Some are just better and functioning than others. But I'd doubt the mental health of anyone with these traits.

>Seems like "affluenza" to me.
Kanye is not a white upper class kid who's been catered to his whole life.

>Unless you're willing to assume mental illness for everyone
>with those qualities i see no reason to shoot down the idea
>that he's probably not mentally ill.

If you have ever seen someone have a manic episode, and you look at that concert footage, you would suspect mental illness. That is, if you're not committed to dismissing Kanye because you don't like him.

>Personally I don't see anything he does that supports the
>mental illness conclusion. I see a lot to support the
>arrogant, egomaniacal asshole conclusion.

See above.

>Mentally healthy people don't operate like this though. Some
>are just better and functioning than others. But I'd doubt the
>mental health of anyone with these traits.

Cool, but that's not a diagnosis.

>>Seems like "affluenza" to me.
>Kanye is not a white upper class kid who's been catered to his
>whole life.

Do you understand why "affluenza" is in quotes?

Because it's some made up shit to justify the actions of rich and entitled people.

Sorry, but ye is rich and entitled.

>If you have ever seen someone have a manic episode, and you
>look at that concert footage, you would suspect mental
>illness. That is, if you're not committed to dismissing Kanye
>because you don't like him.

I had a manic girlfriend for four and a half years. I'm actually well acquainted with mania. I'm not a fan of using that as a crutch for your actions whether I like you or not. A lack of accountability doesn't help the afflicted get better.

Ye's a prick, whether you like him or not. You can justify him being a prick if you like, by all means. You're only contributing to the problem if you give him a pass for his actions.

>>Personally I don't see anything he does that supports the
>>mental illness conclusion. I see a lot to support the
>>arrogant, egomaniacal asshole conclusion.

>See above.

See: a professional diagnosis. I'll wait for that before I label him anything beyond an entitled prick.

He needs to be in a mental ward, dude been had issues long time ago, and once he got with Kim, his mind was fucked up for reals .

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Nm

But they still doing the beating each other to the bottom w cynicism thing

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

were the trump supporters on twitter suddenly trying to adopt him knowing they were probably the same one's mad about what I took the joke in my bottom sig from,

the "#kanyeisoverparty" nonsense is odd to me, hope dude gets to whatever he needs because more "30 Hours" and "Real Friends" are what I need.

TLOP wasn't the last, I'm still holding out for the one better than Late Registration/Graduation/MBDTF

Seems reasonable to conclude his admittance was not voluntary. That's some pretty serious shit if true.

apparently he was handcuffed in the ambulance which is some sort of procedural rule and not evidence that he was admitted involuntarily.

every time he does something crazy his fans come out and say he is acting. Kanye being Kanye. He is playing the long con. Like seriously? This guy has mental health issues. People will deny it until he says it. Then when he acknowledges it they will say he is faking it again. I dont understand people.

Sounds like a near 40 year old man on tour, in the eyes of the world at nearly every waking moment, with two young kids, a wife, little familiarity with his past, at near constant travel around the planet, working odd hours ... would be wild prone to the psychological effects of sleep deprivation. Ye owes me nothing. I hope he gets whatever help he needs
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A recently released report by the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence focused on the CIA’s detention and interrogation program following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. According to the report, among the “enhanced interrogation techniques” used in this program was sleep deprivation:

“Sleep deprivation involved keeping detainees awake for up to 180 hours, usually standing or in stress positions, at time with their hands shackled above their heads. At least five detainees experienced disturbing hallucinations during prolonged sleep deprivation and, in at least two of those cases, the CIA nonetheless continued the sleep deprivation.”

Since the release of the report, Americans have debated whether or not the methods used by the CIA can be properly called “torture.” I don’t know about the other methods, but I do know that the methods of sleep deprivation reportedly used are clearly acts of torture. In fact, prolonged sleep deprivation is an especially insidious form of torture because it attacks the deep biological functions at the core of a person’s mental and physical health. It is less overtly violent than cutting off someone’s finger, but it can be far more damaging and painful if pushed to extremes.


Why is this? Start with the fact that sleep is a basic biological necessity for all humans, indeed for all creatures on the planet. There is some natural variability and flexibility in the sleep cycle, hence people can go 24 or more hours without sleep in the right circumstances, without any lasting harm other than additional “rebound” sleep the next time they are able to sleep normally. However, if a person is deprived of sleep for longer than that, several mental and physical problems begin to develop.

The first signs of sleep deprivation are unpleasant feelings of fatigue, irritability, and difficulties concentrating. Then come problems with reading and speaking clearly, poor judgment, lower body temperature, and a considerable increase in appetite. If the deprivation continues, the worsening effects include disorientation, visual misperceptions, apathy, severe lethargy, and social withdrawal.


For ethical reasons, professional researchers have never pushed the deprivation process beyond this point with human subjects. Researchers have used animals for more extreme experiments, and the inevitable result is that prolonged sleep deprivation will eventually kill a creature. Various behavioral impairments accumulate along the way as the deprivation continues, but if the experiment is pushed far enough the final result is always a widespread physiological failure leading to death. The cumulative effects of sleep deprivation go beyond the loss of this or that specific function to a precipitous, ultimately fatal decline in all functions.

Part of the reason for this calamitous breakdown is that during sleep the immune system performs a host of vital regenerative functions that are absolutely necessary for a healthy mind and body in waking life. When a person is deprived of sleep, the immune system becomes unable to perform these functions. The negative effects become much more intense when people are already sick, injured, or traumatized. Whatever bodily damage they have suffered will not heal as fast. Whatever pain they are feeling will get worse. Whatever new bodily damage threatens them will be harder to defend against.

Forcibly depriving a person of sleep is a profound assault on the entire biological system at the foundation of that person’s mind and body.

Some have argued that torture, although morally reprehensible, may in some cases be worth it if the information gained helps to save innocent American lives.

Again, that may or may not be true with other torture methods, but it is almost certainly false in cases using sleep deprivation. One of the first symptoms of sleep deprivation in humans is a disordering of thought and bursts of irrationality. Beyond 24 hours of deprivation people suffer huge drops in cognitive functions like accurate memory, coherent speech, and social competence. Eventually the victims suffer hallucinations and a total break with reality.

Whatever sounds come out of people’s mouths at that point, whatever words they may seem to be saying, have to count as the least reliable kind of information one could possibly conceive. A mind tortured to that extremity will not provide anything that can be trusted as relevant to the real world. Even if the person really knew some vital bit of information (e.g., the location of a ticking time bomb), prolonged sleep deprivation will make it less likely the person could accurately and meaningfully communicate that information. Beyond a certain point the sleep deprived individual can no longer maintain enough cognitive coherence to say anything useful to anyone.


Source:
Extreme sleep deprivation of the kind reportedly practiced by the CIA is torture, by any reasonable definition of the term. Furthermore, it is probably an especially useless form of torture, since the likelihood of gaining “actionable intelligence” from people will diminish the longer they are deprived of sleep.


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and he removed himself from the Pablo sessions.

When people are obsessed with fame it's real easy to lose sight of the simple things

Like, there's this weird undercurrent of meanness where people treat the Kardasians as disposable.

"BUT REG, THEY ARE REALITY TV SHOW STARS. THEY ARE RICH, FUCK EM"

But they still people with kids and problems, etc. Niggas may be dysfunctional for pay, but don't be mad because they found a way to monetize their families fucked up-ness and the most you get is a free playstation (PS2 btw) from your cousin Jo-Jo.

it's bound to happen.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They monetize EVERYTHING but we are supposed to know when it's real and when it's a stunt?

Ionno if it's crazier to treat them like the entertainers they are or to show "compassion" for them while the giggle and take in the dough.

It's fucked up but it's the price you pay for fame. These folks are disposable. It's fucked up to say it but it's like sports. There will always be someone to replace them for our entertainment.

Fat boy got married and a baby with old girl.
Bruce is still wearing those dresses.
Swift was lying her ass off.
Etc.

Id understand if there was a bunch of crazy shenanigans that were 'fake' but unless the Kardashian show changed from when I watched a handful of episodes years ago it was the same 'someone is doing something rich people do, and the other person doesnt like it, but we all get along anyway' bullshit.

While reality tv, this wasn't 'Flavor of Love' where it was all intentional setups.

AGAIN; I could be totally wrong since I dont watch the show like that. But if it's just the same generic show the doubt of all these happenings is deeper then what people want to admit.

they think making sure cameras are on you when you step out means the rest of your life cant suffer from real human trauma

but a. that was years ago
and b. I don't think that was as "staged" as people like to pretend (note: I don't know anything about it)

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Are they genuine? I don't know or care...

Celebrities are like action movies...

I'm here for the entertainment. Don't give a shit if it's real or not. I don't know them. My opinion on them has no effect on my life or theirs... or yours.

We just talking about what's being reported IN THE NEWS.

That's kind of a biggie.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They just playing dumb cause they don't want to admit they know this much about this family.

It's damn near impossible not to...

It's so weird to me.

ratings.

But I guess y'all know what's in her heart better than he does.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I've no dog in the fight. But I didn't know that Kris (Kardashian?) that it was all a stunt to boost the show's ratings...

it seemed like what it was -- they rushed into things, probably never would've gotten married except it was too big of a spectacle to back out, realized it was a mistake, got out of it ASAP.

if it were a "stunt" it would've been better executed, that was just some shit that happened

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The nigga who married her AND her former publicist said it was fake.

But maybe they are just haters too.

..and why would a stunt be better executed? That doesn't make sense. She can't act, he damn sure can't act so it's pretty easy to fuck it up plus it was all paid for by ET and LP the other hangers on who wanted to advertise so yeah....

It was a stunt.

I don't.

I have no idea who any of their publicists are.

but you do.

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google what Kris Humphries thought of their marriage. I've never seen an episode of their show.

Just two post up you are given us your breakdown of what happened in their relationship and now you want to act above it all. SMH.




>I don't.
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>I have no idea who any of their publicists are.
>
>but you do.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

these are facts that I'm aware of.

but no, I don't think I've ever seen a kris humphries interview, or heard dude speak.

that's not my life.

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Take 2 and pass that L to ole boy soulpsycho... lol

Ole "I don't follow them so I don't really know much besides the guy she married from the Nets" ass nigga.

if y'all don't want to admit that you watch the show and pay attention that's cool, but you don't have to lie to me.

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I don't know why you feel bad about knowing it so deeply, I'm not here to shame you for it.

I just don't know it like y'all know it.

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I got curious and googled as well... you need to up-level your reading comprehension skills. I saw nothing that said the marriage was fake. But whatever... LOL

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I personally find value in not letting what the kardashians do define how I respond to them or anyone else.



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Cause you still in here bruh... talking about not talking about it.

I've never seen one full episode but numbers me saying "I don't really know anything about them"...

is a gotdamn lie

Y'all in here on some "that one dude... the fat guy, ole girl as the baby"

Niggas stfu lol...

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>I personally find value in not letting what the kardashians
>do define how I respond to them or anyone else.
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

TKF.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

ASN

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

of his mother's funeral was recent

i googled to check and found this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-495389/Heartbroken-Kanye-West-mourns-mother-funeral-attended-1-000-people.html

which shows that the anniversary is today.

it is pretty obvious that kanye feels he played a role in his mom's death and has worked ever since to be extremely successful to make her death not to be in vain

between that, the holidays coming up, having two kids that won't know his mother, kim robbery, probably some sleep deprivation and self medicating, and the st pablo tour which literally is set up for fans to appear to be worshipping him the entire time....

there is no surprise to me that he is cracking publicly right now

i just hope there are people around him to really force him to get help

I could see if he lost his mom of natural causes or in an accident but it was plastic surgery.

Some shit she prolly wouldn't have done if he wasn't famous.

.

anything else.


Dude has been complaining for a while about money issues. Now he is complaining about not getting airplay which is more money problems.


Canceling the tour has to be a huge economic hit.

His mother's death might compound it but I am sure he is feeling the heat of creditors right about now.


>of his mother's funeral was recent
>
>i googled to check and found this:
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-495389/Heartbroken-Kanye-West-mourns-mother-funeral-attended-1-000-people.html
>
>which shows that the anniversary is today.
>
>it is pretty obvious that kanye feels he played a role in his
>mom's death and has worked ever since to be extremely
>successful to make her death not to be in vain
>
>between that, the holidays coming up, having two kids that
>won't know his mother, kim robbery, probably some sleep
>deprivation and self medicating, and the st pablo tour which
>literally is set up for fans to appear to be worshipping him
>the entire time....
>
>there is no surprise to me that he is cracking publicly right
>now
>
>i just hope there are people around him to really force him to
>get help
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

why do you think kanye is having $ issues? do you know his accountant?

he's been acting funny for a while now. instead of people calling him out on it they just call him a genius.

He said over anything else like the anniversary of his mothers death is not bigger than money problems.

There would have been no plastic surgery if YE wasn't rich and famous. That has got to be a heavy burden to bare.

It would drive anyone insane.

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I know about a dozen women (through my sister) who have had plastic surgery and none are rich or famous.
Lipo
BBL
Mommy makeovers
Lap Bands/Gastric Bypass
Breast Implants
Breast Reductions

They are getting it all!!!

bc that's what happened in this case

they literally circumvented doctor's orders by getting the procedure outside the country...and literally the risks the original doctor's orders listed is what happened

it's pretty cut and dry

he know kim bout to walk and he losing it

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

he clearly feels he played a role in losing his mom. the rant makes sense now.

#Also

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I say that as an empathetic supporter.

I think he's as close to a regular-ass-nxgga as 'we' are going to get, given how long he's been in the industry, and how deeply entrenched he is - whether 'we' want him, or accept that, is debatable.

who knows the real him, but him? What has he been through? what would all that do to ME, if those were my circumstances?

we're all voyeurs to these artists pain.

I just sigh and press play.

That's the nature of discussing people we only "know" through interviews and soundbytes.

With someone as consistently outspoken as Ye, this is the bed he's made. It's also, I think, the bed his die hard fans have helped him into.

He's got legions of apologists who either make excuses for his antics or downplay it as some sort of "genius". His fans have helped fuel this particular fire.

Marrying the Kim K of all people only adds to the antics. Couple that with a grating personality it's not at all surprising that people not only react negatively to him, but it's perfectly fair to question the sincerity of dramatic occurrences within a family whose life is literally a television show.

I'll say that again: their life is literally a television show.

Most of us accept that "reality" tv is heavily scripted.
Why then is it unreasonable to question where the line moves from scripted reality to real life, or whether or not some of the real life aspects are being played up for dramatic effect?

Everything about his begs this kind of scrutiny.

let's not forget his recently revealed "unreleased" video in which he basically lists a string of mental illnesses symptoms:

https://vimeo.com/170384914

and his "lexapro" line from "fml" off pablo: https://youtu.be/SMQP7QPN0bk?t=1m51s

>let's not forget his recently revealed "unreleased" video in
>which he basically lists a string of mental illnesses
>symptoms:
>
>https://vimeo.com/170384914


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gamblers and masturbators.

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PSN: UrkelMoeDee

First time hearing the song too.

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maybe validation from people who love HIM...unconditionally at that; which is a rather large order..can I have mine TO GO?

The cynic in me wonders if a medical excuse for the cancellation of the rest of the tour lessens the financial hit that Kanye Inc. has to take.

Just wondering since the hospitalization was announced after the tour cancellation was..

Canceling that tour is a big deal and has to have huge financial costs.

The only thing that could possibly mitigate that is an exception in his contract with promoters that allows him to cancel the tour for medical reasons.

Checking into a hospital after canceling the tour is about as necessary as going straight to the hospital after a car accident.




>The cynic in me wonders if a medical excuse for the
>cancellation of the rest of the tour lessens the financial hit
>that Kanye Inc. has to take.
>
>Just wondering since the hospitalization was announced after
>the tour cancellation was..


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

What hit?

This is a LiveNation tour not a Kanye INC tour... more than likely he was paid upfront like most big livenation deals...

Ye was 5150'd that aint no shit to play with.. nothing to take lightly.. he loses rights (though he is rich) because of it and that shit just aint a joke or a stunt.

>What hit?
>
>This is a LiveNation tour not a Kanye INC tour... more than
>likely he was paid upfront like most big livenation deals...


If he was paid upfront and didn't fulfill his obligation than he would owe Livenation a gang of money.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I remember an episode of This American Life where a British teen faked insanity to get out of a prison sentence but then couldn't prove his sanity to get out of the mental health ward. The more he tried to seem sane, the more the doctors thought he was delusional or trying to lie to them.

You may mess around and find out you actually are insane lol.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The cost of cancelling the tour will be enormous. He has to have a real reason, or his insurers will say fuck you, you pay it. I'm betting that Kris Jenner got him on this right quick.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

*drops mic*

*MJ Thriller laugh*

But I specifically predicted that Kanye would support Trump. I also said that the emergence of public personas like Charlie Sheen and Kanye and the inexplicable allure they seem to hold over otherwise rational people set the stage for Trump's unprecedented campaign and what's partly being referred to as 'post-truth' now. The public seems to have an irregular appetite for wrestling-heel social interactions. It's some sort of perverse reaction to a deep-seated resentment of social institutions that are seen to be much less valuable when you don't have a job.

I really don't think I'm reading too much into this. If someone had behaved publically like kanye or Charlie Sheen in 1990 their career would be over. Same thing with a politician who behaved like Trump. Narcissism has taken over our culture and is 'in' right now. Sincerity is boring and cowardly. Truth is irrelevant. Greed is fun. Compassion is pretentious.

and your theory on narcissism is spot on.

I read somewhere that Trump spent a nice chunk on social media targeting voters too.

pretty spot on.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but hey, when it comes to mental health who couldn't use a little more stigma and doubt, amirite?



what if, in general, when someone says they're dealing with mental illness.....we just let them deal with it?

MIND BLOWING

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Y'all niggas scaling great heights.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Sun BEEN on one from jump street.


Dude been redlining the craydometer for years.
Ya'll gotta recalibrate ya'lls craydar parameters.

On some "Just when Kim thought it was safe to come back to public life THIS HAPPENS"

Unlike y'all I don't put anything past Mama Kardashian plus I could see Kanye going along with it if it means more E! money for a crazy season plotwise means less debt for him.

Janey had a good point re maybe doing it to get tour insurance to cover the losses

I don't doubt he's hurt over the anniversary of his mom passing but I also don't see why people are shocked that someone associated with a family who craves attention and a momager who sold her own kid's sex tape might be faking a situation. #KanyeShrug

or the family but can tell all the plot twist and shit.

They know this question fits due to the Kardashian Klans thirst for social media dominance.

We will get updates and photos of them looking glamorous while visiting the hospital and shit.

Why would anyone trust them.

that's not a normal level of awareness.

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does the money direct deposit, or do you have to wait?

like, what's in it for you?

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about people you don't know about.

it's a low margin business but the benefits are good

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>know about.
>
>it's a low margin business but the benefits are good

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thanks for showing me the light

oops

They were both headed more or less the same direction they wound up in after gaining membership.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

trying to think of some other ones but yeah.

some of you niggas need compassion-injections.

yo brains prolly scrambled f'real


as long as he apologize for that Trump bs(which I think he will)

I'm still rockin wit the boy

>as long as he apologize for that Trump bs(which I think he
>will)

And I hope he gets the rest he needs.

He wants to be a legend so badly I would not be shocked if he died under "suspicious circumstances" after completing like five albums worth of material just to make sure he wound up getting the sort of hero worship attained by the likes of Elvis, Kurt, Pac, Big, or MJ.

tomorrow and see how that goes down.


But seriously. Is "exhaustion" or "mentally exhaustion" a condition that is available to anyone other than rich and famous folks?

Real question and not a joke. Has anybody ever heard the regular people use this?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i didn't specifically cite "exhaustion" but i'm fairly certain that's what exhaustion is

even at my shittiest full time job you could do that.



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and I wouldn't have been productive anyways.

to make sure i was alright and see if theres anything i needed.

'exhaustion' is commonly used an as excuse for substance abuse in the land of glitter.

Not just there, a co-worker got into hard drugs and that was the official corporate line on the chance they gave him to dry out.

I get 120 vacation hours, 24 sick hours and 40 hours jury duty a year

meaning I can use 15 whole days personal time or up to 3 days if Im feeling exhausted

I've worked starting at 5-5:30 AM since January so I definitely pinch from those hours if I was out late the night before or I just dont want to be bothered

but all of that aside, mental exhaustion is a rich celebrity/corporate rat race/human problem all the same

I'm glad that it's acceptable at my work. Burnout is real.

Did I check myself into a hospital or use it as an excuse for a debacle of a rant and nuking millions in business revenue, fucking over partners in the process? No.

But, yes, I've walked into my bosses office before (one time) and said "this shit is killing me. I'm out tomorrow".

Mental illness is physical illness.

It's 2016.

calling it Mental Health days.

Nothing unusual or new about that.


I am talking about checking into a hospital or rehab because of "exhaustion".


I understand this woman needed time off from exhaustion.

https://www.rt.com/usa/183720-four-jobs-car-nap/

Not sure how that works for other people not working 2 or 3 jobs or working around the clock.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and if he is legit sick i still can't say I care.
i don't wish bad on the guy or anything, but there are too many people dealing with far with far worse who don't behave like entitled assholes for me to muster up a couple drops of sympathy, or feel some kind of obligation to give him the benefit of the doubt

So him being handcuffed in the ambulance only happens if a 5150 is called for by a medical professional. Doesn't necessarily mean he went against his will...but it DOES mean that he WOULD have gone against his will if he refused.

>and if he is legit sick i still can't say I care.
>i don't wish bad on the guy or anything, but there are too
>many people dealing with far with far worse who don't behave
>like entitled assholes for me to muster up a couple drops of
>sympathy, or feel some kind of obligation to give him the
>benefit of the doubt

give ppl a platform and you'd be surprised

Ya'll ninjaz still fuckin' around like shit sweet,....

Like ol'boy ain't gonna spray mental doo-doo pellets errywhere....

Keep fuckin' around ya'll...

>Ya'll ninjaz still fuckin' around like shit sweet,....
>
>Like ol'boy ain't gonna spray mental doo-doo pellets
>errywhere....
>
>Keep fuckin' around ya'll...

lol

Just like your exiled buddies, your only relevance to poo is this lil gimmick here. When nobody pays attention to your wack asses you come with this bullshit.

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/11/23/kanye-west-insurance-money/

I think that's why she made the post.

>

so the thought is that kanye wanted to get out of the second leg of the tour....

so him and kris jenner masterminded the plan for him to rant at both of his san jose and sacramento shows to feign mental issues

then cancel the remaining leg of the tour...

then send kanye to the hospital for these mental issues so that insurance kicks in?

that is the theory?

even though we have all seen signs that kanye has been spiraling out of control and presenting signs of mental illness for awhile now. and not to mention that all of this is happening around the anniversary of his mother's death?

that is where we are?

i mean i know that the entertainment biz has a lot of smoke and mirrors and all but i honestly don't believe this is one of them.
i may be proven wrong in the long run but i really think kanye is having a mental breakdown and is probably bipolar.

and his lawyers were like "nah, exhaustion isn't covered by insurance, you gotta go full mental to get the payout"

If he didn't have that insurance does this rant happen? Ionno...

If it did I would be convinced. When you still make all your money while being crazy it definitely makes for a great conspiracy.

then he would likely not be sleeping properly and become exhausted

Pretty sure they said Dilla's health declined because he made beats all day and didn't eat.

I'm not a doctor so I have no idea...

But it's sad how quick people are to call him crazy.

so because many other producers are sleep deprived that means it's not possible for kanye to be having a manic episode?

i am not saying kanye is definitely mentally ill but he has been displaying symptoms of both manic bipolar episodes and narcissistic personality disorder for awhile now.

that doesn't take away from his accomplishments in my eyes. honestly it probably has helped him in ways to be able to accomplish what he has.

>But it's sad how quick people are to call him crazy.


...and as much as I love and respect Dave Chapelle...that clip with him saying calling someone crazy is dismissive kinda rubs me wrong..

It ties into the whole stigma attached to mental health...even mental health 'advocates' carry this bias..they'll admit to depression and anxiety...but STILL shy away from labels like schizophrenia, psychosis, bipolar disorder...Same ones crying against pastors praying away mental illness..
Read an article in ebony few days back by some therapist blaming Kanye's conditions on his mom's passing and stress etc...
The report said he was psychotic...anybody who's studied psychiatry/psychology knows that people who have psychotic breaks tend to already have a predisposition.

Do i think kanye is schizophrenic or bipolar? i don't know.
From my albeit limited experience in the field...what we're seeing isn't simply due to exhaustion or kardashian pussy or hollywood....there's something deeper at play...and i long for a day when we no longer have to skirt around the issue

I saw him perform at U of Kentucky in 2005 right after he got back from Africa and he was pissed. Basically said the media will shit on you the moment you stop doing what they want.

I think Ye not doing another college album makes people think he is crazy
Doing Yeezus means he is crazy
Talking shit about W (which we loved) made him crazy to white folk.
Talking shit about Swift means he is crazy

Maybe Obama is right tho... he said he was an ass...

To me... I think all these "crazy" moments have elevated his star power.

Ionno if he is crazy but to me it definitely seems dismissive or like fake compassion to diagnose him as crazy.

We have no idea what Kanye is besides a talented artist who thinks he is the best thing on earth. Which is no different than Floyd Mayweather or other athletes who think the world revolves around them.

I definitely think you have to be slightly off to want fame. It's addictive, it's like a drug. When other people start getting more shine you do "crazy" shit to get the cameras back.

Since Dave has been labeled crazy and lives in that world I think he prolly has a better grasp of how the average person can easily dismiss you mental well being at the end of the day... most people want a show and if they don't get it? Well... that artist must be crazy.

medical experts to diagnose him.


I'm with legs. Doesn't take a conspiracy to see that if things weren't going well for Kanye on the tour for whatever reasons. Not feeling it. partying to hard, shows not going well. Whatever.

At any rate any business advisor or lawyer worth their retainer would have to tell him that if he had a medical emergency he might be able to get out of his contractual obligation. But such a medical emergency would have to include checking into a hospital.


If I am rear ended and start screaming "my neck and my back", I will go to the hospital and complain about my neck and my back. Doesn't mean I had a long con that involved slowing down in front of you. It means I took advantage of the situation that presented itself to me.


I don't think the rants are outside the realm of the rants that he has been given so I don't think he decided to start doing rants as part of a long con. But I think everyone of his advisors recognised that the rants would only help in building the case that he is having a mental health issues.


Anyway, there is so much money on the line you can bet the insurance companies will contest it. So we might get the truth. or maybe not.

But this will ruin his ability to get future tours insured.

>then he would likely not be sleeping properly and become
>exhausted


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I think he wanted to quit or take a few days off and his people were like "well, if you really want/need to quit and protect your pockets you need to do XYZ"

What we forget is Ye has a lot of people depending on him. He can't just quit.

I don't know about being bi-polar but I wonder if the entertainment industry and bi polar disorder are linked in some way. Seems like a lot of actors and artist suffer from it and I think it's because their stage/acting persona bleeds into their regular life.

Once you change your name and get paid insane amounts for it it's prolly real easy to slip into that shit full time.

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I think CT is spot on. I'm a cynic tho so don't mind me.

I think Kanye has always been a narcissist and an asshole. He admitted as much early on in his career. Having nervous breakdowns "man these niggas better than me?"

This is definitely how some artist win in that industry because you have to believe you are the shit.

I know a nigga just like this. Industry cat. Used to suck his own dick all damn day. He was the greatest and he made it using that mentality. He was also depressed a lot. Even when he won he felt like he lost because someone else always had more or had a hot song.

Ionno if that's being mentally ill or just obsessed with winning.

These type of people create enemies and haters in their mind to drive them. Not sure if it's bi polar or just being a narcissistic asshole. I guess you can be both but I think it's the latter.

>I think Kanye has always been a narcissist and an asshole.

Narcissism is a personality disorder, i.e. a form of mental illness.

>He admitted as much early on in his career. Having nervous
>breakdowns "man these niggas better than me?"
>
>This is definitely how some artist win in that industry
>because you have to believe you are the shit.

A nervous breakdown is DEFINITELY a symptom of mental illness. You can be envious and ambitious without having a breakdown.

>I know a nigga just like this. Industry cat. Used to suck his
>own dick all damn day. He was the greatest and he made it
>using that mentality. He was also depressed a lot. Even when
>he won he felt like he lost because someone else always had
>more or had a hot song.
>
>Ionno if that's being mentally ill or just obsessed with
>winning.

Yes, that's a symptom of depression. Always seeing the negative.

>These type of people create enemies and haters in their mind
>to drive them. Not sure if it's bi polar or just being a
>narcissistic asshole. I guess you can be both but I think it's
>the latter.

As I said to CT above, people aren't "just" assholes, narcissists, etc, the same way people aren't just obese. There is a physical/ psychological cause.

You don't have to have compassion for him, and I don't get why so many people in this post are trying to keep others from having compassion for him, but his "asshole" behavior is a symptom of unwellness.

In that case I guess he is mental.

I will admit I see mental illness as a defense mechanism in this thread. Maybe it's because he is wealthy.

I don't want anything bad to happen to Ye but I have a hard time accepting this for obvious reasons.

It's hard for me to trust his actions.

Kanye being mentally ill, and I think people conflate mental illness with insanity, which can get you off for murder. You can be mentally ill and sane i.e. know exactly what you're doing and why it's wrong.

Mental Illness does not remove personal responsibility. It can, however, prevent people from fulfilling obligations, such as a huge arena tour.

In fact, the only people trying to "prevent" or argue down anything are the ones defending him and/or relegating his behavior entirely to mental illness.

classic internet history.

They didn't define mental vs physical illness in the policy or restrict who could diagnose? Dumb-ass underwriter.

And if Kanye is faking being a POS to get insurance money, he's hit a new level of pathological narcissism that is difficult to fully describe. Also, what was the insurance bullshit with Kim's jewels? They're about cry wolf out into that 5-times-DUI insurance bracket, 1:1 shit.

Ionno... I don't really think that would make him a POS.

Does he have to lose all that money for it to be genuine?

a policy in place. standard prctice.

I don't believe he's faking this. he pretty much kills his brand if this is not real. too much at stake.

We even have AEG Live (who did this tour) but I don't think we cover the Saint Pablo tour specifically.

Acts way way smaller than Kanye get their tours insured as pretty much standard practice (not always for event cancellation which is super expensive, but definitely for things like your equipment getting smashed). It's not a surprise at all that his management/label would put out a couple insurance policies for this tour.

Anyway it would completely surprise if he was pulling a long con on this for the insurance money unless he was planning on just completely peacing out from the music industry after this and using the insurance money to pay off his debt. We've definitely had submissions come through that are completely uninsurable (Amy Winehouse and Charlie Sheen come to mind) and it definitely puts a huge damper on your ability to do business an entertainer after that point. Maybe not as much when you're basically on top of the world like Kanye but if you fall off a bit from there? Absolutely.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8fYj5okplc

https://twitter.com/Complex/status/803303463903862785

http://www.complex.com/music/2016/11/kim-kardashian-putting-everything-on-hold-kanye-west-hospitalization

Off the top of my head, I'd say you're looking at a Boesky, a Jim Brown, a Miss Daisy, two Jethros and a Leon Spinks, not to mention the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever!

SMH

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I was at least expecting a direct quote from a medical professional with a diagnosis.

Not a "sources say its really bad" article from TMZ.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i honestly dont know or care if he's faking but yeah, i'd say being in the hospital this long would show some serious commitment to the suspected con job