all the spin, and bullshit that will surely follow, it's better to just judge it on the actual debate rather than what Fox, or Trevor Noah, or Chris Matthews, or Morning Joe have to say about some clip.

but i don't think i could sit through that shitshow for some of the reasons you already mentioned, and that I'm not someone who needs to be convinced of something. There's nothing that will change my vote.

I guess as far as undecideds, I would say it's people who don't follow politics closely much but will vote. It's a bit unnerving because barring a meltdown, Trump may not seem so bad, and his simplistic messages could go over well with them. I just don't know how many people we're talking about.