People are talking about this like the Mayweather, Pacquiao fight.
I'm excited.

Which Trump is going to show up?
Is Clinton going to physically make it through the whole thing?
Is Lester going to come with the fact checking?

And what I mean by that, is that she will end up as the clear voice of reason and the obvious choice to make between the two.

and will therefore be universally declared the winner.

Romney destroyed Obama in their first debate
Kerry punked the shit out of Bush in their first one
Both Carter and Mondale "won" their first debates againt Reagan, etc...

Then again this whole Trump year has defined convention. All he really has to do is not call her a cunt, and he's presidential.

I wouldn't be surprised if W or L, he tries to leave it at one debate, since either way he'd benefit. He already has his excuses in place.

Still, i'm not sitting through that shit show

Hillary really needs to not fall into the Diane Chambers trap.

If she gets caught up in the 'debate' as traditionally defined...it could be as disastrous for her as it was for Jeb Bush. Though Trump will not be able to attack Hillary the way he did Jeb...there will be still be some similarities in how he baits her into winning 'the issues' while capitalizing on the way she comes across in doing so. He will play the victim here.

The Jeb route of appealing to logic will make her look like Diane Chambers. The Rubio route of slinging mud won't work cause Trump is better at that than her (or anybody else). I think her best approach would be to mirror Kasich. Be the adult in the room and stay humble. It's certainly not her forte....but it's the only way she can approach this with some damage control in mind. Can she be disciplined enough to not attack Trump intellectually? He will set the bait. He will provide multiple opportunities. He will purposely say outrageously stupid things. He will tempt her to call him stupid....and if she calls him stupid she will be calling the viewers at home stupid. That will be Trump's goal.

Can she help herself? I couldn't lol.

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well...lemme clarify...the only indecision is voting for hill or not voting at all

Trump has nothing to lose everything to gain

Hillary on the other hand .....

Granted, many of those undecideds are probably loyal Rs or Ds deciding between whether to vote for their preferred party's candidate or not at all, but those decisions are obviously very impactful.

is on the fence w/trump

at all

Get the popcorn ready.

to NOT fuck it up than it will be for him. People expect him to fuck it up, but he been fucking it up...so he basically actin normal.

it's cool - Obama 'lost' his first debate w/Romney.

but then she'll rebound and 'win' the next ones.

expect not to show up to work tomorrow

so big
so bad
so many deals
so much
so you better watch out, you better not cry...

before I turn the channel I always him say "trust me"

but many won't see that..
I'm watching solely to see the strategy...

and that's all that really matters.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now

Those who understand the electorate and the dynamics of this particular presidential election knew that HRC's record unfavorables would cause her difficulty.

She should still win but it sure would be nice if we had a stronger general election candidate. Risky gamble.

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Us people really in the know know that polls don't mean anything til late October.

lol

hell the gop nominee ain't even supposed to even be there

you're right - lots of folks didn't see this whole bullshit coming. i know i didn't. i wrongly assumed the GOP leadership would do SOMETHING to stop this nightmare before it went this far b/c i assumed they're smarter and wiser than they actually are and that they'd not want to risk the future of their party. so i figured they'd 'slit Trump's throat' WAY before now. but...nope. damn.

but it seems like folks are really enjoying the fact that so many ppl got so much wrong in this election. i'm not saying ambient1 is one of those ppl...i dunno if that's true.

things where in my mind I know/knew how this country is set up...the divide been there
but in my heart I didn't want it to play out this way

I find no joy in being rig...or whatever I am on this but at the same time I can't say that I didn't see it coming this far

what I BEEN peeped is that all of the 'experts' have been going by the normal political rules and I saw that dude wasn't playin the same game...

I think Biden should campaign for Hillary more because I see him as being able to crack into trumps demographic...

seems like a good idea.

They laughed at Republicans last cycle when they were constantly ignoring the polls saying that they weren't accurate for this reason or that reason.

2016 comes along and Democrats are doing the same exact thing. And it's hilarious. Just need James Carville on MSNBC playing the role of Rove on election day lol

we are running out of months...

watching that video of Obama joking Trump...smh. He went in on Trump and gotdamn this would be some evil revenge if he won and flipped this shit upside down.

He prolly wouldnt even stay in the WH. Just sit up in Trump Towers like Biff from back to the future pt 2

Don't know if the now-cast has been in flux today. They now have it at 49/51, with the other two models around 55/45 in favor of Clinton. The other aggregators look better for Clinton, but still way too close for comfort.

A bit of recent news is that Alan Lichtman's "Keys to the white house" predictor, which ignores polling and judges on "fundamentals" like incumbency and the economy, is also predicting a Trump win. It's been correct in every race since 1984 (though that's small-number statistics, so you shouldn't take it too seriously).

http://pollyvote.com/en/components/index-models/keys-to-the-white-house/

People forget that Republicans always fall in line. And so-called liberals get complacent when we think everything's good, and we even actively work against our own electoral interests when we fool ourselves into thinking the public is on our side. I am not optimistic.

You and your ilk pushed this immensely unlikable person on us. Now your shifting the blame to "liberals." Fuck you

why are you mad?

and why are you making it personal? 'your candidate' 'you and your ilk'...

what's going on?

>People forget that Republicans always fall in line. And
>so-called liberals get complacent when we think everything's
>good, and we even actively work against our own electoral
>interests when we fool ourselves into thinking the public is
>on our side. I am not optimistic.
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The Dems ran a bad candidate. If she loses or if its close, its not the fault of liberals, Bernie, Bernie Bros, the media, or the f*cking boogie man.

Hilary was not a good choice, dog.

Neither was Bernie, so this isn't about that.

Plenty of folks who were disappointed even angry with Obama ended up voting for him because he knows how to connect with voters.

People don't like Hilary. They don't trust her. They don't believe her. Right/Wrong/Indifferent its true.

This shouldn't be a hard race and it shouldn't be close.

The Dems, as they typically do, f*cked up.

Thanks for putting us in this position, assholes.

This should be such a f*cking slam dunk election I don't care what month it is or what model is being used or whatever.

The Dem Party is really, really, really bad at their job.

The GOP nearly exploded during the primary....it emerged with a candidate who is so terrible there are too many things to list.

On top of that, I've honestly questioned if he himself WANTS to win at times.

Even at that, here we are.

Because the party and the sheep in the party anointed such a horrible candidate its beyond comprehension.

I'm not even talking about my views about her- I'm talking politically.

She is not liked, not trusted, viewed as a war-monger, viewed as a friend of Wall Street, viewed as the ultimate politician, etc.

She can't even align with Obama's current popularity in a believable way- unless you are one of those sheep or can't remember 2008.

This is unreal.

And they keep moving the goal post! Now its "this was always going to be hard" huh??? No it wasn't!

And it shouldn't be hard,

The GOP is running a cartoon villain...it's supposed to be hard? Really?

Bernie fought the good fight but right after 2008 they were all saying Hillary is up next.

Probably because she is a woman and it seems like a cool idea but we could have really had a good young Obama 2.0 in the wings. Coulda been a woman, latina, etc but nah... we went old school.

on some "wouldnt it be cool to put Bill Clinton back in the WH with nothing to do but roam the halls all day?


its hers to lose but we watched her lose to a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

of all the people in America we go with a NAFTA war hawk who hard working americans dont like.

oh shit...i went to college w/him. LOL

he got one thing right like once and since then sports-reporters and political-reporters have been all on his nuts.

i haven't paid him much attention beyond seeing his name and his little website quoted in articles.

thanks, wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver

no wonder i've never investigated...sheesh.

but today's 'prediction' seems to carry little weight since it has changed several times since whenever some reporter saw it and wrote a story that was published somewhere and other reporters picked it up and wrote their own. i just looked and the numbers aren't what they were whenever the original story and the copycats were made.

Right? It sucks Tim Russert passed, he was one media pundant that seemed to be ahead of everyone.

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>but today's 'prediction' seems to carry little weight since it
>has changed several times since whenever some reporter saw it
>and wrote a story that was published somewhere and other
>reporters picked it up and wrote their own. i just looked and
>the numbers aren't what they were whenever the original story
>and the copycats were made.

I think there were quite a few new polls published at different times today, so the numbers were fluctuating

in the last few elections...

i think Trump fucked his credibility up a little but thats to be expected. No one ran those numbers seriously.

He could win both Ohio and FL and still lose.

what kind of "cockamamie, throw the dice and see where it lands" poll is this?

How is it changing hourly?

b/c those numbers have changed all day since the 'prediction' was first reported.

we should be talking a 10 point gap, even with all the bullshit.

i mean shit, 15-20 should have been possible.

we all know who d. trump is and what he's about.

This is must see tv

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if it's on the broadcast channels I can see it that way.


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i'm gonna be a good host and let them have the living room.

not any more than Clinton and Obama were 'enemies' back in 2008.

they're opponents in a general election.

we can't necessarily assume that whatever we see from them in the public sphere translates to how they feel about each other privately.

I know Bush Sr. and Clinton weren't enemies at all, but I remember that coming to light well after Clinton's Presidency.

The way Clinton and Trump go at it you'd think they really did hate each other. Just such a bizarre way to appeal to folks, but it's obviously working lol

i don't know if they're actually friends - maybe/maybe not.

but that has nothing to do w/their campaigning, really.

i've run trials against prosecutors w/whom i've later been able to have friendly conversation. during the trial when in front of the jury we were adversaries. we didn't attack each other personally b/c that's not allowed but we definitely went hard at each other's cases. but then later after it was over we were back to being friendly. that's common among lawyers - to be adversaries in the court room but then friends or at least friendly outside the court room.

b/c it's not.

I'm sure it does for many others as well

You go to weddings and parties not because you are friends but because it's the event to be at.

The wedding was in 2005 before the birtherism, before the all mexican are rapist talk.

I use to think Trump was cool because he really took to the homey Kwame on The Apprentice.

It was only later that we all learned that he was a racist asshole.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I can't trust it

Are you going to be solo dolo, taking notes and listening to the candidates seriously? Or are you just watching for the entertainment value?

We got snacks, drinks, and games all ready to go over here. Feels like the Super Bowl. Presidential debate party is not a phrase I ever thought I would see so often

This place is the perfect pace for these types of things. At least it used to be. We'll see what the turnout is like this time

the hate liberals and conservative folks have for this woman is kind of insane

like


sometimes i wonder if we even have the same eyeballs and we are seeing the same person.

like....I don't get it

I mean, beyond "super predator"/email/bengazi/hawkishness

all of those things are just the cost of doin' politics to me.

but that's a shitty ass business to support if you ask me

the people who I'm finding who HATE clinton give no fucks about the super predator comment

thats our shit.

and yes, its a shitty part of doing business

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/?utm_term=.4a7fa674f259

of course, you don't care that she apologized.

it casts doubt

'super predator' thing in the first place?

like, why do you believe she meant that but you don't believe her apology for saying it?

Meaning if she was saying black youth are superpredators and didn't mean or believe it then that's even more troubling IMO.

I believe she meant what she said regarding superpredators or at least believed it enough to say it in order to get the bill passed so she at least believed she was saying the right thing at the time IMO.

I'd like to believe her apology, but dishonesty appears to be a part of how she interacts so I just can't trust her words and to be honest I think she's a racist too. Just better at hiding it.

that you believe a comment she made at some point.

it seems to be related to some confirmation bias. you believe anything she says that lends credence to your belief that she's a racist. but anything she says that contradicts your belief is dismissed.

that's too bad for you.

good luck w/it.

many Black and Brown people behind bars.

Her apologizing released how many people from jail?

That is why.

bladow

Because she flip flops and lies. I know I know career politician and they all do that so ?I guess that means I don't trust any of them.

sometimes days, even.

but a 21 year old Hilldawg comment is like herpes

understand it.

the hate is visceral and i dunno that it's even about HER. maybe it's about something she represents. b/c i don't see that she's done anything to deserve the level of hate she receives.

is it plain old misogyny? maybe not b/c plenty of the ppl who hate her claim to dig Senator Warren. but then again Senator Warren hasn't run for prez. i know she'd receive a high level of hate too just maybe not from all of the exact same ppl who hurl so much hate at Hillary.

most of the stuff ppl seem to hate about Hillary has actually been addressed. she's apologized and made corrections. some of it is based on lies told by her opponents. and when those lies and corrections are in front of the haters they hold on to the hate. which tells me the hate is illogical and not rooted in fact. i dunno.

that's what made me give up.

i feel bad for Hillary. i think she'll make a good POTUS but she may not get the chance. even if she wins - that hate is not going to die and plenty folks in Congress will take it as a mandate to block everything she tries. she may get the obstruction even worse than Obama.

j/k

You know how YT hate OJ because he got away with murder?
like against all odds, with all the evidence against him
he got away with it?

That's how they feel about Hillary
some say she's also a murderer (Vince Foster and Benghazi)
and others just point to whitewater, cattle futures, and emails

in their eyes, time and again just when they think they finally got her
she skates

it's just jealousy and envy plain and simple
her haters wish they could be her, seemingly untouchable
burns em up inside that after all the investigations and hearings
they got nothing on her

along w/ the last name-- they hate Bill so they blame her

as far as looks...I don't see nothing wrong with that woman but they seem to find her real stiff/boring/off-putting....aka they don't have a reason... they just hate her face...and laugh.....and demeanor....and alphets

but how the DNC adjudicated the primary is unacceptable. DWS was shameful in her leadership as chair of DNC - and the fact that Clinton gave her a cushy job literally *minutes* after the scandal broke and DWS stepped down was indicative of the above-the-law entitlement of the Clintons.

There was absolutely no reason to tip the primary scales in Clinton's favor. She had everything going for her already - and likely would've won even without bias at the top of the DNC and the superdelegate fiasco - so to still try to tip the scales - even with everything in her favor - does a lot to impede faith in her honesty and integrity.

Finally, in this presidential election - Bernie Sanders was the stronger general election candidate who would not be having this close of a battle with Donald Trump.

All that being said - Clinton is the far superior candidate to Donald Trump - and they aren't in the same universe. What Clinton is campaigning for (particularly on the domestic front) are issues that I advocate and fight for as well. My main concern with a Clinton Administration pertains to Foreign Policy. There hasn't been a lot of substance to the Foreign Policy debate and I'm deeply concerned about her scaling back the gains from the Obama Administration (distancing from Israel/Saudi Arabia - the success of the Iran Deal - restraint in Syria and with Russia). I see her escalating tensions in a time when we need measured restraint. But Trump is so unacceptable that I'm actively pushing for a Clinton presidency at this point - and then we'll deal w/ her administration once the fascist is defeated.

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Ill agree with you all day if the argument is that the DNC put forth a weak candidate when there were stronger candidates out there to go against Trump but Bernie just wasn't it. No need to relitigate but yall should accept that.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Sanders has the highest favorables of any member in the Senate. For a career politician - he's extremely well-liked. Also - he was polling significantly higher than Clinton in a head-to-head (as even the beloved fivethirtyeight polling data confirmed). Had this been a conventional election with a Jeb Bush v. Clinton matchup - perhaps she would be the stronger candidates - but this wasn't/isn't that type of rodeo. It's an anti-establishment populist insurgency type of election - and you don't pull the Establishment card to counter a fascist faux-populist like Trump. Sanders was the formula for *this* particular election.


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nothing is more uncool than praising Hillary Clinton

Both sides will declare their candidate the winner no matter how much either f's up.

Trumps people will declare him the winner base primarily on the overwhelming expectation that Hilldawg is supposed to win.

i've resolved myself to the fact its going to be a clusterfk of information and misinformation coming out of each camp until the election for which i have no time follow that closely anymore.

44 more days and its over.

because i don't know if journalism will show up
or if it will be more of the same (a play for ratings)
i think the first couple of questions will set the stage:
i.e. will this be a debate on policy or will it be another opportunity to adjudicate the scandals (on one side)?
if its the latter i will probably just turn that shit off and start preparing for the worst.

im also of two minds- i think anyone still on the 'fence' about donald trump
is a wasted vote (if anyone *still* thinks he's anywhere near a decent candidate then i dont even know what to think of them)
which makes me wonder if this debate even matters?
like what could possibly be said today that would make anyone change their mind
if everything prior to this hasnt already?
that's really the big question for me.

maybe its just a matter of turning all this shit off and waiting to see what nov 9th brings

all the spin, and bullshit that will surely follow, it's better to just judge it on the actual debate rather than what Fox, or Trevor Noah, or Chris Matthews, or Morning Joe have to say about some clip.

but i don't think i could sit through that shitshow for some of the reasons you already mentioned, and that I'm not someone who needs to be convinced of something. There's nothing that will change my vote.

I guess as far as undecideds, I would say it's people who don't follow politics closely much but will vote. It's a bit unnerving because barring a meltdown, Trump may not seem so bad, and his simplistic messages could go over well with them. I just don't know how many people we're talking about.

i've been avoiding watching him for a while because it makes me hyperventilate in anger
but i have to at least see how this shit starts
if its terrible... i'll go back to doing my homework/ writing my dissertation proposal

every time i check in w/this election it just causes anxiety. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2016/09/trump_induced_anxiety_is_a_real_thing.html

i've known i'm voting for Clinton since the beginning. all of my ppl are voting for her. i don't know what i'll gain by watching.

i'm not a journalist. i'm not a fact checker. i don't need to know what the candidates say so i can fact check or whatever. i'm not a policy wonk. i'm not a talking head on a cable news show. i don't need to arm myself w/knowledge of what these ppl said tonight so i can do ___ going forward. i don't see why i should watch.

i'm not watching.

or not all of it.

i'll watch until i'm upset and then i'll change the channel or turn off the tv and do something else.

i didnt even know it was a thing
i definitely get anxiety spells when i watch that conaway person

i will watch until i cant anymore.
if its going badly, i'll start planning my bunker.

but got to stay involved...this is nothing compared to the anxiety i might feel in 2 mod if repubs sweep it up

i'm worried i'm gonna be watching this debate like:

http://i.makeagif.com/media/4-08-2015/lHfCpv.gif

https://media4.giphy.com/media/XQq8UMo254P16/giphy.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1721762/i-can-t-o.gif

I don't think Clinton really gets big boos or cheers, or at least doesn't feed off them. So no impact on her.

But a raucous audience usually gets Trump to crank it up to 11. If he says crazy things, it won't have the same effect if it's not followed by a round of applause. The craziness kind of just lingers.

Maybe Mexico City Trump shows up with these rules?

https://youtu.be/V66F3WU2CKk

Looks like a must see. Netflix Oct 7th

Please use complete sentences!!!! I can't follow his loopy, incomplete thoughts

or even really provide a takedown on his trade fuckery

her record and entanglements are some shit.

Or making some kind of weird breathing noise

I think he is. I've only been watching 2 minutes.

Sniffling. Seems like he's trying to contain his hypeness. Going for the water early. Gotta be that powder

https://youtu.be/HvxByzdSRg0?t=42s

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line of attack. 1 company 6 years ago is a rebuttal to building a new energy grid.

Man you are reaching in this thread.

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PWNED

his 30 years of underperforming the market doesn't make him a better candidate than someone who's been putting in work.

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cmon man
just because i don't agree with your shitty politician dont make me a troll

I know personally that shit bankrupted LOTS of farmers in SoCal
because a GRIP of produce started being brought in from mexico

hilldawg needs to go IN instead of patiently letting him paint her as a failed washington "30 year" insider.

she's a fucking LIE

Clinton trying to keep that even keel

he's *telling* her what she's about and not having to defend his plan. america goin eat that up.

she's playing it like the middle of the road republicans he's already beat.

he's already done all the same shit. he demeaned her casually. he talks over her and sets the tone. and now she's talking passive aggressively like rubio and bush and them.

who prepped her?

does she want to be fucking president or not?

I don't know what kind of strategy to put against this guy

i have no fucking idea why she didn't

probably cause some dnc focus group told her to not talk too much about the environment.

why the fuck didn't the dems nominate someone willing to fight for their platform?

>I don't know what kind of strategy to put against this guy

jesus!

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They are going to run all over him

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no control

shes already considered out of touch by many.

politics: where all you have to do is look/present a certain way and youre in.

Especially when we can see the right side of it
it's ULTRA LUXE

using the IRS to go after conservative groups

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lester admonishing them after it already happened, and hill's crowd is going to sit on their hands.

this shit is a disgrace. dems need to fucking step up.

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lester needed to really admonish instead of "politely remind."

>lester needed to really admonish instead of "politely
>remind."

he's doing the shitty job he was paid to do.

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ooooo WE

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It's a fake issue, always has been.

'i fucked up, my bad'
the best way to move past it. even don didn't know what to say for a moment.

based off his first comment and how often he goes back to it, there's definitely a sexist trigger in there.

you'd land in JFK, which is pretty well refurbished.

and JFK ain't shit compared to DXB or DOH

"Maybe he didn't do a good job"

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she definitely deserves much better.

this dude just said he cultivated relationships with black folk in the past little while
wtf does that even mean?

That would have been going for the thoak

I give up

>I give up

Lester says stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional.
Trump says: no you're wrong. It was ruled unconstitutional by a not police friendly judge.

Ooooookay. So Lester was right?

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hillary: .....

2 more minutes:

holt almost tries to stop him

hillary: ....

trump goes on for another minute

when hillary starts talking trump automatically shakes his head and sighs.

CALL HIS ASS. it's real simple. we do want law and order. disproportional criminalizing and shooting black people indiscriminately IS NOT LAW AND ORDER.

wake. the. fuck. up.

young black men in jail
mandatory minimums

>young black men in jail
>mandatory minimums

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LOL

Then he deflates the point by harping about stop and frisk.

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he's saying nothing with conviction and not falling into any pits.

she's saying more, but the emotion is lacking.

it's not worst case scenario, but it isn't good.

she has the substance but the delivery is awful.

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it just looks like he is doing well

it will show he came off as an idiot

and examine the tapes

a lot of people don't go back and rewatch or examine the tapes tho...

He got eviscerated.

Does that disturb anyone else?

>Does that disturb anyone else?

yup..she could have slammed dunked this shit..but they both are on this crime bullshit and thy continue to evade the questions asked sometimes

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>Does that disturb anyone else?

she handled that quip pretty well.

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He said, "A very against police judge" at one point. He makes George W Bush look like Winston Churchill.


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>He said, "A very against police judge" at one point.

he has the best jabs so far, even tho he talks like a middle schooler.

I thought her comeback about him not paying income tax was kinda meh, but other than that....
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those stumbles were minimal

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given how insane the republicans are, it shouldn't be close.

but this election has been trending bush v. gore recently.

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unfortunately the truth doesnt matter. looking good does.

lamoooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpTk-edXQTU

ya dad was back there doin it

the. fuck?

It takes a different kind of wo(man) to deal with this guy and not fold.

>It takes a different kind of wo(man) to deal with this guy
>and not fold.
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unfazed. I have no idea how you dudes watch this and try to pick apart Hillary.

I have a son, he's 10 years old, he's really good at computers...
WHAT? What was he talking about?

She is coherent at the very least.

Boisterous does, even if it is wrong, dumb, and clownish.

We saw this in the Republican rounds

McCain came off like an old crank baying at the moon, while Obama was Mr. Cool, Calm and Collected.

But at least McCain was coherent.

the stupidity is literally written all over his face smh

>the stupidity is literally written all over his face smh

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Also misogynists allergic to women.

This dude just babbles on and on

This fool is unstable

im impressed so many young folks are into this.

holy shit.

holy shit.

they really don't get this election. they didn't learn from the primaries.

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No wonder she's smiling. All she has to do is split up what he says and hit play.

already....what's she gaining from this debate for HER image and HER momentum?

for the next 2mins

i mean u can but there's really no point

talking about agreements, talking about Trump having no plans.

>

Got damn that was vicious

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

he looks ridiculous

he's coked out

he's flustered

she's whopping his ass

Lester is a pathetic

you give up too easy

possible


but she fucked that dude up

he got flustered, he was emo, and bruh's, he conjured up a 400lb hacker when discussing foreign policy, LOL

And will vote for him

She was openly inviting him to say something about Benghazi,so she could pull one of these: http://i.imgur.com/NkWQKHq.jpg

And he had no idea what he was looking at.

FINALLY SHES COMING BACK

The foaming at the mouth bit

not on policy or facts...lol

he was strong as shit but he ran out of jabs...

>not on policy or facts...lol
>
>he was strong as shit but he ran out of jabs...
>
>

.

I think I'm going Fox. I want to see how the unpack his nonsense

I enjoyed this post
Thanks

Dude refused to let it go. That will always be his Achilles heel..you can't confront him and say he's wrong

Did Hillary win? Yes.

Did Hillary come out looking presidential? Moreso than him, for sure.

Did he lie a bunch? Yes.

Did he come off looking racist and sexist? Yep.

HAS ANY OF THIS MATTERED FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? NO!!!

the idiots for him havent changed their minds and the ones on the fence are idiots for even being on the fence

>Did Hillary win? Yes.
>
>Did Hillary come out looking presidential? Moreso than him,
>for sure.
>
>Did he lie a bunch? Yes.
>
>Did he come off looking racist and sexist? Yep.
>
>HAS ANY OF THIS MATTERED FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? NO!!!

>the idiots for him havent changed their minds and the ones on
>the fence are idiots for even being on the fence

it's about your family members and friends, WHO DON'T LIVE in the rural south, or are poor, or openly racist and sexist, that have pushed him this far

the white folk in silverlake and williamsburgh, the white folk in three piece suites, the white teachers and admin who are voting for him

and the 1-3% of black and brown folk who are voting for him

they are who we under estimated. that they would get some sense. it is they are who kept this train moving. he is what he is. i under estimated how fucn invested in white supremacy white ppl are in 2016

we know..that why he may win anyways


>it's about your family members and friends, WHO DON'T LIVE in
>the rural south, or are poor, or openly racist and sexist,
>that have pushed him this far
>
>the white folk in silverlake and williamsburgh, the white folk
>in three piece suites, the white teachers and admin who are
>voting for him
>
>and the 1-3% of black and brown folk who are voting for him
>
>they are who we under estimated. that they would get some
>sense. it is they are who kept this train moving. he is what
>he is. i under estimated how fucn invested in white supremacy
>white ppl are in 2016

we know..that why he may win anyways

That's what I'm saying. It's not about him.

At some point, you stop caring what this crackpot says and start worrying about what those who support him are saying.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtU_DVyWYAAT3-h.jpg

Who's coming up with rules?

This is easily the most one sided debate since the Palin debacle.

Anytime Trump said something offensive, drink.
something 'cist, drink
"i've been told," drink
"believe me," drink
reference to his hand size, shot

We didn't even give Hillary any rules, Drumpf kept our glasses empty.

I'm not ready to drop my girl Jill yet, but Hillary made me smile for the first time tonight.

Bryan Williams introduced him with a noticeably skeptical "how do you think your guy did tonight?"

And the best he could come up with was "Donald Trump is showing us something different."

And eventually he came around to "Barack Obama lost his first debate" (essentially admitting that Trump lost too), and "if we're gonna listen to the fact checkers ... we can do that ... but ..."


Of course the race isn't over. But this was a good night for the good team.

Most of the guests are going in on him

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14446197_10153976958499537_6729656187094493421_n.jpg?oh=d6a5078e560dad130fe1e8494ebdbe38&oe=587F895E

almost as badly as trump

i mean goddamn he was bad.

I can't wait to see how that goes. This guy is not ready to start doing homework now. I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch, but I think the next debate will be even weirder than this one.

it took until halfway through that i was finally able to breathe easy.
i really hate everything about the trump campaign.

and btw, why is cnn paying corey lewandowski?
its ridiculous
(im watching this ish)

i could only imagine the shit she been dealing with behind the scenes.

she is livid! she is saying "what did I get myself into?"

>i could only imagine the shit she been dealing with behind
>the scenes.

Even they seem relatively lukewarm on Trump's performance. I say relatively because they are all nutjobs on there.

It's enough to make me want to go train a neutral network to come up with Trump style responses, like the postmodernism generator.

Here's a verbatim transcript:

"
Lester Holt, Moderator: Our next segment is called securing America. We want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in this country, our institutions are under cyber attack, and our secrets are being stolen. So my question is who's behind it and how do we fight it?

Donald Trump: I do want to say that I was just endorsed and more are coming next week, it will be over 200 admirals. Many of them are here, admirals and generals endorsed me to lead this country. That just happened. And many more are coming. And I'm very proud of it. In addition, I was just endorsed by the ICE. So when Secretary Clinton talks about I'll take the admirals and generals any day over the political hacks.

Look at the mess that we're in. Look at the mess that we're in. As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said, we should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we're not. I don't know if we know it was Russia who broke into the DNC.

She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia. Maybe it was. It could also be China, it could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. You don't know who broke into DNC, but what did we learn? We learn that Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of by your people. By Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Look what happened to her. But Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of. Now, whether that was Russia, whether that was China, whether it was another country, we don't know, because the truth is, under President Obama we've lost control of things that we used to have control over. We came in with an internet, we came up with the internet.

And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the internet, they're beating us at our own game. ISIS. So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a, it is a huge problem. I have a son.

He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly do-able. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing, but that's true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester and certainly cyber is one of them.
"

Someone on the FiveThirtyEight podcast noted that when Sarah Palin gave us this kind of word salad, people immediately started calling her stupid. For some reason nobody's saying that about Trump yet...

and it sounded stupid then. But I was also reading tweets making fun of him that made it entertaining.

When I just read a transcript of what he actually said, it's even stupider and more nonsensical than I originally thought. I dont know why but just writing it out puts it in a different light. It lets you just read it for what it is. This guy has no fucking clue what he's talking about. He just kind of bobs and weaves different bits of bullshit together to form a response that covers up his cluelessness. The fact that he's where he is is both fascinating and insane.

And as someone who came up in the 90s, hearing the word cyber used over and over again definitely made me chuckle a little

1) he's got a 10 year old?
2) His 10 year old is so good with computers so we should be able to fight the cyber?

Reminds me of when my mom encouraged me to go to school for computer science because I liked to play video games.

He looked like a goddamn idiot
____________________

<================== Learn the name now before everyone gets dunked on

lmao he was absolutely terrible handling his lies, maybe some preparation could have helped. Such an idiot, there are plenty of easier ways he could handle it, something like "I was against it privately, maybe you won't find any interviews, that Howard Stern interview I was reluctant.." etc would have been better than "Call Sean Hannity and he will tell you!"

Same with birther shit, came off really bad. He could have at least tried to explain himself, "Obama's dad was from Kenya, Barack lived in Indonesia as a child shortly so there were some questions I had", really simple answers would have worked much better imo but fuck it, let him fail.

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/780632599500763136

It kind of told everyone was that she was calm and relax, even enjoying it while Trump seemed unhinged and all over the place.

I think she did very well but I do believe she missed a few opportunities to roast Trump in real time using his own words at the moment against him.

The man bragged about paying zero taxes.

The man didn't deny being sued for discrimination but instead bragged for settling the lawsuit.

The man wanted credit for noT discriminating at his new FL club.

Yo it would have been so powerful if she explained that the NATO Treaty isn't a business deal in which you try to extract every single penny out of our allies but rather that treaty that has provided the longest period of peace and prosperity in Europe in history.

Yooo, if when dude brought up Stamina if she countered with "Stamina, Donald you don't look like you are about to make it to the end of this 90 minute debate and you want to talk about Stamina". = End of the Election.




I know hillary clinton didn't want to go off script and it's easier to come up with retorts sitting on my couch but in general Trump kept handing her all sorts of stuff in real time to clown him about.





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>The man bragged about paying zero taxes.

AS he was walking out, one of the reporters asked him about that and he straight said, "I didn't say that" like we didn't all just fucking watch him say it! And the reporter had ZERO follow up on it to check him. It's fucking unbelievable.

I thought Trump controlled the first 30 minutes or so and threw her off her game with TPP.

She finished strong as shit though but she left so much on the table.

I don't know if it's because he says so many lies it's hard to focus on 1 and really hit it out the park but dude gave her a ton of ammo and she didn't use much of it

on a vibrator

Some folks in here exposing themselves.
She annihilated him. It was really fucking bad.
But let some people tell it...

and won't release his returns and that he wants to bring back "trickle down economics" (which he admitted to because he said rich people are going to do things with the money to create jobs)


As long as she did a good job by being poised and laying out those points, the USA will make their choice without all the garbage of "she was too this....she was too that" etc. Either you want a rich guy who doesn't pay federal taxes cutting taxes for the rich or you do not. end of story.


It is being reported by CNN that Hillary has been said to have won the debate by a poll:

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/27/trump-clinton-hofstra-debate-poll-chalian-sot.cnn


So Hillary did what she had to do, thank the Heavenly Father.


Now the USA is just going to make the choice.


Like has been said particularly about the realm of romance on OKP, it is futile to be about "saving" someone, people are going to make their choices about stuff, so if the USA wants that non-tax paying rich people trickle down stuff, then that's that.

>and won't release his returns and that he wants to bring back
>"trickle down economics" (which he admitted to because he said
>rich people are going to do things with the money to create
>jobs)
>
>
>As long as she did a good job by being poised and laying out
>those points, the USA will make their choice without all the
>garbage of "she was too this....she was too that" etc. Either
>you want a rich guy who doesn't pay federal taxes cutting
>taxes for the rich or you do not. end of story.


almost akin to a Romney nominee


>It is being reported by CNN that Hillary has been said to have
>won the debate by a poll:
>
>http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/27/trump-clinton-hofstra-debate-poll-chalian-sot.cnn
>
>
>So Hillary did what she had to do, thank the Heavenly Father.
>
>
>Now the USA is just going to make the choice.


Which is the scary part but Hilz will prevail esp with the electoral imho


>Like has been said particularly about the realm of romance on
>OKP, it is futile to be about "saving" someone, people are
>going to make their choices about stuff, so if the USA wants
>that non-tax paying rich people trickle down stuff, then
>that's that.

the portion of USA that vote for Trump wants no black folk, women, etc in power..nothing else is significant to them (regarding relevant politics). They are victim of the southern strategy

https://twitter.com/jerryspringer/status/780601736327208960

This is the woman that Clinton brought up towards the end, and Trump's response was something like "says who" or "where's your source".

He called into Fox and Friends this morning to call her fat again

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/27/495611105/in-post-debate-interview-trump-again-criticizes-pageant-winners-weight

In Post-Debate Interview, Trump Again Criticizes Pageant-Winner's Weight

At the end of Monday night's presidential debate, Hillary Clinton accused Donald Trump of taunting one of his former Miss Universe contestants about her weight.

Clinton said the Republican nominee's criticisms of Alicia Machado, a Venezuelan who won the Miss Universe contest in 1996, was "one of the worst things he said" about women. "He called this woman Miss Piggy. Then he called her Miss Housekeeping because she was Latina."

While Trump appeared to dispute Clinton's accusation on the debate stage, he called into Fox and Friends Tuesday morning and once again called Machado fat.

"I know that person. That person was a Miss Universe person," Trump told the Fox News morning show. "And she was the worst we ever had, the worst, the absolute worst, she was impossible," he said. "She gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem. Not only that, her attitude."

Trump has long struggled to appeal to women — polls show Clinton regularly outperforming Trump by double digits with female voters. And Trump has also alienated Latino voters throughout the campaign, with his harsh rhetoric about immigrants living in the country illegally.

With his past statements about Machado playing into critiques Clinton wanted to make at Monday night's high-profile debate, the Clinton campaign was quick to pounce. An hour after the debate ended, her campaign tweeted a two-minute video about Machado's experience with Trump.

"He was very overwhelming. I was very scared of him," she says in Spanish. "He'd yell at me all the time. He'd tell me 'you look ugly' or 'you look fat.' Sometimes he'd 'play' with me and say 'Hello Miss Piggy, hello Miss Housekeeping.' "

The Clinton campaign's video also includes archived footage of Trump telling reporters "she weighed 118 pounds, or 117 pounds, and she went up to 160 or 170. So this is somebody who likes to eat."

Machado told the campaign that the experience led to long-term eating disorders. "I wouldn't eat, and I would still see myself as fat, because a powerful man had said so."

and its scary because this is why he is so popular.

but cmon, a beauty pageant winner developed an eating disorder because of trump?

This is where we are in 2016?

We are talking about POTUS and this is where we are a month from the election. smh...

Because now today Trump is talking about the weight of this woman and not anything of any substance.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

sheesh.

what a buffoon.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does he know how and why that began?

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I was thinking the last big scheduled game changing event would be the debates and now that this one is in the books, I think the next 50 state national reputable poll (or poll of polls) will be the one that will tell us who will be the next president...barring the release of the Hypothetical Clinton Email stating obama is a porch monkey.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

If Hillary manages to maintain a solid lead going into next month
(I think she'll gain a couple of points after last night but won't put him away just yet)
But yeah Assange is just itching to drop email bombs

the kind who would make him sit next to her during the sermon and would pinch his thigh real hard if he fidgeted too much. the kind who would give him that side eye. the kind who would say through gritted teeth 'YOU'D BETTER BE STILL'. the kind who would take him outside the sanctuary if he ignored the warnings.

b/c he couldn't just stand there and be still when it wasn't his turn to talk.

i had that grandmother. and so i learned early when it was time to just BE. STILL. and shut the fuck up. he didn't.

>the kind who would make him sit next to her during the sermon
>and would pinch his thigh real hard if he fidgeted too much.
>the kind who would give him that side eye. the kind who would
>say through gritted teeth 'YOU'D BETTER BE STILL'. the kind
>who would take him outside the sanctuary if he ignored the
>warnings.
>
>b/c he couldn't just stand there and be still when it wasn't
>his turn to talk.
>
>i had that grandmother. and so i learned early when it was
>time to just BE. STILL. and shut the fuck up. he didn't.



Dude was raised by nannies and shit.....His old man was an ex Klansman who struck it rich....He was always given the easy out......Trump has NO home training.....

They getting spooked....Also, I'm laughing at Trump blaming "mic issues" for his debate performance....Dude might as well just said MY DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK....This is only close because Hilldawg is a woman and this country is extremely divided on some tribal shit with R's vs. D's....But yeah....I can't...



---

The Hill

September 27, 2016, 01:46 pm
GOP lawmakers give Trump bad reviews on debate performance
By Scott Wong


GOP nominee Donald Trump was ill-prepared for Monday night’s debate. He missed opportunities to knock Democrat Hillary Clinton off her stride, especially concerning her private email server. And Trump came across as too defensive at times.

That’s just some of what Republicans on Capitol Hill are saying about Trump’s performance at the first of three presidential debates.


“Trump got off to a good start, but it was obvious he wasn't prepared,” one House Republican who publicly supports Trump told The Hill. “His performance was scattered. He didn't drive home honesty and missed great opportunities.”
In fact, several congressional Republicans said they wished Trump had used a question he got on cybersecurity threats to aggressively attack Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State.

“He only mentioned her email scandal once,” the GOP lawmaker lamented.

“There is no better question to be able to pivot on when she completely failed on her own cybersecurity when she was secretary of State,” added Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.).

Davis, who backed Trump after he won the nomination, said the businessman should have done a better job prosecuting foreign policy failures that occurred while her husband, Bill Clinton, was president and while she was running the State Department.

The Illinois congressman said he would have knocked Bill Clinton for giving foreign aid to North Korea during the 1990s, money the congressman says helped the communist nation develop a nuclear arsenal.

“If Hillary Clinton is trying to own the successes of the Bill Clinton presidency, she’s gonna have to own the failures," Davis said. "And a complete failure was negotiating with North Korea.”

Trump, he added, also missed a “golden opportunity” to remind voters that State Department officials working for Clinton had been concerned about whether Marines responding to the 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi, Libya, should wear their uniforms. Those officials should have been focused on sending in military aircraft, Davis said.

“Those are two points I think Trump could have hit and he didn’t,” Davis continued. “And I think he took things a little too personal and missed a lot of opportunities to make very good debate points that could have scored him much higher in the eyes of the American public.”

Conservative Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), who is also supporting Trump, said he disagreed with media analysis that Trump had appeared agitated and flustered during the debate while Clinton seemed composed.

Neither had a great debate, he said. But it did bother Salmon that Trump tended to drag out certain answers, rather that quickly pivoting to more succinct talking points or attacks on Clinton.

“I wish that he’d say something, stick with it, and then move on to something else instead of saying the same thing over and over and over,” Salmon said in an interview Tuesday without giving specific examples. “It was just throughout the entire debate.”

A number of Republicans did offer praise for the New York billionaire businessman and reality TV star’s first one-on-one debate performance.

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who has denounced Trump’s comments on Muslims, Mexicans and white supremacists, argued that Trump “met expectations” and gave a “spirited argument” against Democrats’ tired policies.

“I saw Hillary Clinton give a polished well-rehearsed defense of the status quo, which 7 out of 10 Americans don’t like,” Ryan told reporters on Tuesday. “I saw Donald Trump give a spirited voice to those of us who don’t like the status quo.

“And I see emerging in front of us the potential for what a unified Republican government can get you, which can be a solution for our country’s big problems.”

Other Republicans on Capitol Hill argued that their constituents had crowned Trump the winner of Monday’s 90-minute debate, regardless of what Beltway pundits were saying.




http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298070-gop-lawmakers-give-trump-bad-reviews-on-debate

>They getting spooked....Also, I'm laughing at Trump blaming
>"mic issues" for his debate performance....Dude might as well
>just said MY DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK....This is only close because
>Hilldawg is a woman and this country is extremely divided on
>some tribal shit with R's vs. D's....But yeah....I can't...
>

Puh-leese.

Look, I agree the country is sexist as h#ll but that alone DOES NOT explain why its so close.

In fact, might want to consider why more people on the left aren't HYPED for the first female pres.

Stop changing your story, man.

HILARY IS NOT LIKED

Straight up, this shouldn't be that hard to admit or get a grip of.

You, yourself, have moved the goal post so much on this while trying to appear pragmatic...and its clear you are a big Hil supporter.

So go ahead go from "this won't be close" to "b b b but Latino votes" to "Battleground states all that matter" to now?

"Its because she is a woman"

Cmon, you are better than his.

She is very disliked. Not trusted. Etc.

Not sure why you can't just cop to that.

Its not just because she is a woman. Its not because of Fox news. Its not because of Bernie, Bernie bros, or the f*cking movie Weekend at Bernies.

SHE ISN'T LIKED

And the Dems annointed a candidate that can't authentically call Trump out on his illegal dealings, can't authentically align with Obama, etc.

Trump, as he did a couple times last night, can point out the hypocrisy.

They crowned the one candidate that Trump can say "nah, you hated Obama in 2008" "Nah, you were under investigation too" "I'll show you my returns when you show me your emails" etc etc.

You can copy an article, proceed to mostly misread it, and use it as proof but nah.

All kinds of think pieces out there man.

BOTH sides screaming victory.

BOTH sides screaming foul on Holt.


These debates aren't going to change many minds at all.


All they can hope to do is excite their bases. And Hilary STRUGGLES to get people excited to tune in to hear her debate, much less vote for her.

Meanwhile, Trump has Good ole boys across Murica EXCITED to get their country "back"...

And if that happens, please please please don't white feminist this up and blame it on the gender thing.

This should be a SLAM DUNK for the dems.



>
>---
>
>The Hill
>
>September 27, 2016, 01:46 pm
>GOP lawmakers give Trump bad reviews on debate performance
>By Scott Wong
>
>
>GOP nominee Donald Trump was ill-prepared for Monday night’s
>debate. He missed opportunities to knock Democrat Hillary
>Clinton off her stride, especially concerning her private
>email server. And Trump came across as too defensive at times.
>
>
>That’s just some of what Republicans on Capitol Hill are
>saying about Trump’s performance at the first of three
>presidential debates.
>
>
>“Trump got off to a good start, but it was obvious he wasn't
>prepared,” one House Republican who publicly supports Trump
>told The Hill. “His performance was scattered. He didn't
>drive home honesty and missed
>great opportunities.”
>In fact, several congressional Republicans said they wished
>Trump had used a question he got on cybersecurity threats to
>aggressively attack Clinton’s use of a private email server
>while she was secretary of State.
>
>“He only mentioned her email scandal once,” the GOP
>lawmaker lamented.
>
>“There is no better question to be able to pivot on when she
>completely failed on her own cybersecurity when she was
>secretary of State,” added Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.).
>
>Davis, who backed Trump after he won the nomination, said the
>businessman should have done a better job prosecuting foreign
>policy failures that occurred while her husband, Bill Clinton,
>was president and while she was running the State Department.
>
>
>The Illinois congressman said he would have knocked Bill
>Clinton for giving foreign aid to North Korea during the
>1990s, money the congressman says helped the communist nation
>develop a nuclear arsenal.
>
>“If Hillary Clinton is trying to own the successes of the
>Bill Clinton presidency, she’s gonna have to own the
>failures," Davis said. "And a complete failure was negotiating
>with North Korea.”
>
>Trump, he added, also missed a “golden opportunity” to
>remind voters that State Department officials working for
>Clinton had been concerned about whether Marines responding to
>the 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi, Libya, should wear their
>uniforms. Those officials should have been focused on sending
>in military aircraft, Davis said.
>
>“Those are two points I think Trump could have hit and he
>didn’t,” Davis continued. “And I think he took things a
>little too personal and missed a lot of opportunities to make
>very good debate points that could have scored him much higher
>in the eyes of the American public.”
>
>Conservative Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), who is also
>supporting Trump, said he disagreed with media analysis that
>Trump had appeared agitated and flustered during the debate
>while Clinton seemed composed.
>
>Neither had a great debate, he said. But it did bother Salmon
>that Trump tended to drag out certain answers, rather that
>quickly pivoting to more succinct talking points or attacks on
>Clinton.
>
>“I wish that he’d say something, stick with it, and then
>move on to something else instead of saying the same thing
>over and over and over,” Salmon said in an interview Tuesday
>without giving specific examples. “It was just throughout
>the entire debate.”
>
>A number of Republicans did offer praise for the New York
>billionaire businessman and reality TV star’s first
>one-on-one debate performance.
>
>Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who has denounced Trump’s
>comments on Muslims, Mexicans and white supremacists, argued
>that Trump “met expectations” and gave a “spirited
>argument” against Democrats’ tired policies.
>
>“I saw Hillary Clinton give a polished well-rehearsed
>defense of the status quo, which 7 out of 10 Americans don’t
>like,” Ryan told reporters on Tuesday. “I saw Donald Trump
>give a spirited voice to those of us who don’t like the
>status quo.
>
>“And I see emerging in front of us the potential for what a
>unified Republican government can get you, which can be a
>solution for our country’s big problems.”
>
>Other Republicans on Capitol Hill argued that their
>constituents had crowned Trump the winner of Monday’s
>90-minute debate, regardless of what Beltway pundits were
>saying.
>
>
>
>
>http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298070-gop-lawmakers-give-trump-bad-reviews-on-debate
>

Dude...This ain't a fcotball game....Or a beauty pageant...This is real life....I'm going by what folks on Trump's own team r saying...I don't even know what u r going on about....lol

And yeah...This is a bullshit election filled with that old school white man's affirmative action....Somebody summed it up brilliantly: "If HRC were a man this contest would be over. if Trump were black, he'd have trouble getting work at the local gas station..."

If u can't see that, that's on u, dog....

These niggas r crazy...

They project their own views and issues on other people...

God
Damn.

I dunno if Hillary stole your lunch money or what. But get some help. Some healing. Get the fuck over yourself.

I don't think he did as bad as people said he did. Not to the point where he got destroyed anyway. He definitely had some shit moments though. It just wasn't a trouncing on the level that Mitt handled Obama during their first one, or Kerry over Bush. She did a great job of seeming relaxed, and sure of herself, and not appearing to let him get under her skin.

The worst Trump moments in the primary debates were against Fiorina. As repellent as that lady is, she got the best of him. He can't handle strong women. I'm hoping she can bait him enough to where he really becomes completely unglued in the next 2. We saw pieces of that here.

I am not sure how you come back when he tries to neutralize her talk of him being sexist by pointing out her and her husband was pretty chavaunistic in their treatment of Monica Lewinsky.

I think she tries to shimmy again because it played so well in focus groups and she ruins that spontaneous of that moment.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

He cannot seriously want to go there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-reference-to-bill-clinton-affair-underscores-his-own-history-of-infidelity/2016/09/25/8e31fe68-834a-11e6-a3ef-f35afb41797f_story.html

Trust - Clinton is thoroughly prepared to slam the shit out of that point. Trump would be wise to stay away from it.

>Trust - Clinton is thoroughly prepared to slam the shit out of
>that point. Trump would be wise to stay away from it.


Surly, that's more salacious than some hack that peddles condos, right?

>>Trust - Clinton is thoroughly prepared to slam the shit out
>of
>>that point. Trump would be wise to stay away from it.
>
>
>Surly, that's more salacious than some hack that peddles
>condos, right?


Nah...when u r running for President, that shit gets thrown out the window....

It's never a good idea to shame a woman for who her husband decides to stick his dick in...

I want Trump to take it there...Please GOD..lol...Those college educated women (the demo he needs to win) will have their pitchforks out....

and we really dont want Trunp to bring up Hillary throwing dirt on all those women who accused Bill of sexual assault

>and we really dont want Trunp to bring up Hillary throwing
>dirt on all those women who accused Bill of sexual assault


1. U a man, dog...That's how WE think....

2. Women, who are not HARDCORE CONS, are not going to pile on another woman for SHITTING ON WOMEN THAT HAD AN AFFAIR WITH THEIR HUSBAND...Stop it, dog...lol...U sound like Rudy G. right now....

3. BRUH....Clinton is beating Trump with COLLEGE EDUCATED WHITE WOMEN....So, it's not about turning on hardcore Trump backers...It's about turning on MORE EDUCATED WHITE WOMEN and chipping away at white suburban women, a demographic Trump is currently BLEEDING.....

4. See point no. 1.....

Again....I PRAY TO BABY BUDDAH that Trump brings up who Clinton's old man fucked on the side....From the same guy (Trump) catching hell right now for calling a former Latina beauty queen on his payroll Ms. Piggy and an eating machine??????...That would be the gift that keeps on giving....

Why do u think Trump's TOP adviser pulled him back from having Gennifer Flowers in the audience of that last debate?

I'll give u a minute to think about that, homie....

we arent just talking about affairs. We are talking about women who claim Bill SEXUALLY ASSAULTED them.

right now in NC Trumps numbers improved in focus groups after this first debate. He is now up in NC. This shit doesnt hurt him.

I'm telling you right now, he is holding that shit until the last debate. Its going to be ugly.

The women you claim it would hurt him with arent voting for him anyways.

Its going to be ugly, much uglier than calling a woman fat. It was a good line from Hillary for her base but Trump already said the Fox News host was on her period. We KNOW that man aint shit when it comes to women.

Calling Trump a misogynistic animal aint really some new and shocking news.

yall out here acting like women viewed Trump as some smooth as caping ass nigga...

but when he throws out the names of Bills accusers and hillary helped silence them... that shits gonna hurt her bruh.

Hillary has to make this dude blow a gasket and that shit may still do him no harm cause people hate Hillary.

>we arent just talking about affairs. We are talking about
>women who claim Bill SEXUALLY ASSAULTED them.

U not thinking this out intelligently....

And those rape claims were never proven....And trust me....The only woman who will ride out with Trump is Gennifer Flowers....

>right now in NC Trumps numbers improved in focus groups after
>this first debate. He is now up in NC. This shit doesnt hurt
>him.

U r looking at the wrong things here....PAY ATTENTION TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS...Not Trump's or Clinton's overall numbers in a flash poll group...

>I'm telling you right now, he is holding that shit until the
>last debate. Its going to be ugly.

And I'm telling u right now it will blow up in his face....Trump's base don;t care if dude takes a dump in their mouths....They will gladly cheer him on when he starts talking about who Bill fucked and how HRC played the good wife....

Other people outside of Trump's base? Not so much....

I didn't read the rest. dog...Because u r traveling in the realm of Man Chest Beating absurdity...

But let me leave u with the words of Trump God on the Clinton cheating scandal:

"People would have been more forgiving if he’d had an affair with a really beautiful woman of sophistication. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were on a different level." --Donald J. Trump

You too smart for your own good, bruh.

>You too smart for your own good, bruh.


Nah BRUH....It depends what I'm being smart about...

I don't know a lot of things....I'm not the smartest dude in the room....But I can safely sleep at night with the notion that a man (Trump), who already has tanking numbers when it comes to his approval with women, would do further damage by trotting out 25-30 year old infidelities and sexual issues of his FEMALE opponents' spouse....

U would either have to be either a troll, a bit green, an extreme Clinton hater or an idiot to think that would help Trump...

Instead of trying to get Gennifer Flowers to sit in the front row of that debate how about getting the mother of that Benghazi soldier that died. We all know THAT'S a bullshit scandal, BUT, it would have made more sense to go there....

And since the only thing keeping the race close is viewers' disdain of Hillary, he would be severely unwise to do anything that would generate sympathy for her.

Right...

I don't really think some folks actually think this shit through....

There is a reason why HRC's poll numbers went up during her husband's cheating scandals....Republicans turned the ice queen into a sympathetic figure...They tried to make Hillary complicit in Bill's sexual misdeeds...And it blew up in their faces...

and when a woman is married to a dirty dawg eventually people look at the wife and wonder why she is still with him.

that sympathy is gone...

>and when a woman is married to a dirty dawg eventually people
>look at the wife and wonder why she is still with him.
>
>that sympathy is gone...


Dog...this is 20-30 plus years ago shit we are dealing with....THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO REPORT...

In a past interview, when asked about Bill's cheating Trump basically said, "They are making too much of a big deal about it. He should have to continued to lie about Monica....And his choice in women are terrible...." I'm not making that shit up...lol

Again, there is a reason TRUMP'S OWN TEAM stopped him from having Flowers in the audience during the debate.....Bad optics...

But Trump is going to Trump....THANK GOD for that....

Or...as New Republic would say.....

"History shows that whenever Bill Clinton’s sexual behavior comes to light, as it did in the 1990s with his affairs with Flowers and Monica Lewinsky, the overwhelming reaction of the American public is to feel sympathy for Clinton. She’s seen as the victim in these stories, the wronged wife who is struggling to hold her marriage together despite her horndog husband. The narrative of Hillary Clinton as aiding and abetting in the ABUSE of women is beloved by the likes of Roger Stone but has little traction with the general public. According to a Fox News poll from earlier this year 50 percent of Americans (and 55 percent of women) thought Bill Clinton was more respectful of women than Donald Trump. Only 37 percent of Americans (and 31 percent of women) thought Trump was more respectful.

Further, to bring up Clinton’s marital history would also make Trump’s own marriages fair play. His first two marriages ended in divorce, and he was bedeviled by accusations of infidelity and even, in the case of the second marriage, rape. Many of the men around him (Gingrich, Roger Ailes, Rudy Giuliani, Stephen Bannon) have sordid personal histories that would become fair game if the Clinton’s own history were brought up.

Lastly, one of Trump’s biggest liabilities is his unpopularity with suburban white women, which many consider the key to this election and who happen to loathe Trump. They’re not likely to warm to him if he taunts the first major-party female presidential candidate with the sins of her husband."

link: https://newrepublic.com/article/137272/donald-trump-walking-minefield-cant-stop

Chess not checkers^^^^^^^

A serial cheater with multiple divorces under his belt bringing up a husband's infidelities to the face of his wife is only going to resonate with those misogynists who look at Hillary funny for staying with a man to maintain her family and to maintain their careers. And if they feel that way about Hillary, they probably already like Trump and think he's "telling it like it is."

For the non-misogynist voter, or even for the casually misogynist voter with a basic sense of decency, a serial cheater gloating in the face of the wife who was cheated on by another man is going to come across as the worst kind of un-presidential, cruel, and misogynistic hypocrisy. And it will give Hillary yet another opportunity to rise above his fray.

ESPECIALLY if he does it at a town hall setting? There may be a couple of cruel scattered cheers, but the majority will boo if he tries to toss Lewinsky in her face.

I mean...u r making too much sense....But it's really hard for others to really understand the danger of bringing up Bill Clinton's sexcapades into a debate setting (great point on the town hall comment...That setting will be their next debate...If Trump goes THERE in front of every day people?) The results won't be nice....

and the average American cant spell misogyny let alone use it in a sentence.

and if people really felt that bad for Hillary she would have defeated Obama.

He's going to use it and we will see how it plays out.

>and the average American cant spell misogyny let alone use it
>in a sentence.
>


^^^^^^^^^all of this!!!!!!!!!!!

There are plenty outside of that set for whom a woman who does her best to forgive her man and stand by him is more sympathetic than a man who unapologetically represents the opposite. They could be women who have been in those relationships themselves or Christian folk who identify more with the forgiving wife than the unapologetic adulterer.

>and the average American cant spell misogyny let alone use it
>in a sentence.

Having a smaller vocabulary doesn't equate to a smaller capacity for empathy.

>
>and if people really felt that bad for Hillary she would have
>defeated Obama.

When did Obama use Bill's infideilty against Hillary?

>
>He's going to use it and we will see how it plays out.
>

This much is true.

i read an article; this one
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/16/monica-lewinsky-shame-sticks-like-tar-jon-ronson

where she describes how hard it has been for her to move on with her life
after that period of time
it would be a shame to use this toxic political climate to drag her name in again
she doesn't deserve this

“Overnight, I went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one worldwide. Granted, it was before social media, but people could still comment online, email stories, and, of course, email cruel jokes. I was branded as a tramp, tart, slut, whore, bimbo, and, of course, ‘that woman’. It was easy to forget that ‘that woman’ was dimensional, had a soul, and was once unbroken.”

this political campaign has already become a cesspool
it would be a big shame to drag it even further into that.
these women dont deserve to have their lives once again turned upside down
just because a stupid, misogynistic asshole
doesnt know enough policy to campaign on actual issues

I could see him continue his "the election is rigged" and "moderators are democrats or work for a bias media that want Hillary elected" propoganda as a reason he will not participate in the next two debates.

He's not in a position to withdraw after that performance.
He not only has to participate in the next debates, but he has to look nearly flawless.

He's going to be in full debate prep mode for a while. I bet we don't see him heavy on the campaign trail anymore

>He's not in a position to withdraw after that performance.
>He not only has to participate in the next debates, but he has
>to look nearly flawless.


Rudy G. is already floating the idea that Trump will cut the debates because the unfair treatment he is receiving from the moderators...

U can't make this shit up....

He doesn't even need to improve, necessarily. If they can just get him to avoid looking like a maniac then people will see it as improvement and the media will spin it as a redemption story.

But if it becomes clear that any attempts to control him or inject him with structured talking points will just stress him out even more and make him even more explosive, then I think they cut their losses and blame the media conspiracy. Maybe they come up with some excuse like they'll only debate if Johnson and Stein are there too.

It's obvious she can run circles around him on policy, but if she can keep getting under his skin and hit those triggers, it's too hard for him to keep from going all Trump.

On the flipside,the bar for him will be even lower in 2 weeks

It doesn't benefit him.

maybe he will actually prepare next time...

i doubt it tho..

seems like his numbers dont fall regardless of what he says in a debate.

.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/colin-kaepernick-clinton-trump-proven-liars-article-1.2809883

Colin Kaepernick is unimpressed.

The 49ers backup-turned-social leader bashed both major party presidential hopefuls Tuesday, calling Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump “proven liars” following their debate performance Monday at Hofstra University.

He also had some tips for Trump — get in line, Colin — on how to tweak his campaign message.

“He always says ‘Make America Great Again.’ Well, America’s never been great for people of color,” Kaepernick told CSN Bay Area. “And that’s something that needs to be addressed. Let’s make America great for the first time.”


Trump blasted the anthem-kneeling quarterback when he first began protesting in the preseason, calling his actions “terrible” and suggesting that he leave the U.S. to “find a country that works better for him.” Kaepernick responded Tuesday by calling Trump’s remarks “ignorant.”


 When picking between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, Colin Kaepernick says that Clinton is the ‘lesser of two evils.’


“That’s a very ignorant statement, that if you don’t agree with what’s going on here and that if you want justice and liberty and freedom for all that you should leave the country,” Kaepernick said.

The 28-year-old was hardly complimentary of Clinton, calling her “the lesser of two evils.”

“To me, it was embarrassing to watch; that these are our two candidates,” Kaepernick said. “Both are proven liars and it almost seems like they’re trying to debate who’s less racist.


"And at this point, talking with one of my friends, it was you, you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but in the end, it’s still evil.”

>http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/colin-kaepernick-clinton-trump-proven-liars-article-1.2809883
>
>
>Colin Kaepernick is unimpressed.
>
>The 49ers backup-turned-social leader bashed both major party
>presidential hopefuls Tuesday, calling Hillary Clinton and
>Donald Trump “proven liars” following their debate
>performance Monday at Hofstra University.
>
>He also had some tips for Trump — get in line, Colin — on
>how to tweak his campaign message.
>
>“He always says ‘Make America Great Again.’ Well,
>America’s never been great for people of color,”
>Kaepernick told CSN Bay Area. “And that’s something that
>needs to be addressed. Let’s make America great for the
>first time.”
>
>
>Trump blasted the anthem-kneeling quarterback when he first
>began protesting in the preseason, calling his actions
>“terrible” and suggesting that he leave the U.S. to
>“find a country that works better for him.” Kaepernick
>responded Tuesday by calling Trump’s remarks
>“ignorant.”
>
>
> When picking between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton,
>Colin Kaepernick says that Clinton is the ‘lesser of two
>evils.’
>
>
>“That’s a very ignorant statement, that if you don’t
>agree with what’s going on here and that if you want justice
>and liberty and freedom for all that you should leave the
>country,” Kaepernick said.
>
>The 28-year-old was hardly complimentary of Clinton, calling
>her “the lesser of two evils.”
>
>“To me, it was embarrassing to watch; that these are our two
>candidates,” Kaepernick said. “Both are proven liars and
>it almost seems like they’re trying to debate who’s less
>racist.
>
>
>"And at this point, talking with one of my friends, it was
>you, you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but in the end,
>it’s still evil.”
>


awe damn... how this black rebel gonna call Hillary a liar?

I read the homie say on this here board that most people wouldn't even know how to spell misogyny if Trump starts bringing up Bill Clinton's sex scandals to hang on HRC....

That's true...

But they can spell hypocrisy....

Roll the tape of Trump calling Paula Jones a loser and taking up for Billy Clint...It's too easy.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENdf3cMqCYc

and now OKPs who scream misogyny all day are defending Bill Clintons sexual misconduct...

gotdamn politics is ugly

>and now OKPs who scream misogyny all day are defending Bill
>Clintons sexual misconduct...
>
>gotdamn politics is ugly

U still don't get it...

No one is defending Pussy Hound Bill...Dude was a serial philanderer. And no one is saying that Trump's base wouldn't eat that bullshit up....We are just shaking our heads at the suggestion that it would make sense for Trump to connect the first serious female Presidential candidate with her husband's sexual scaandals WHEN HE IS FIGHTING FOR THE VOTES OF the white FEMALE college educated .....

I hope u r in Trump's ear, dog...I hope he is reading your posts...Because Trump, at that point, would be preaching to HIS choir....But he would be scaring off not only white college women, but white suburban women and the few real independents out there...

But by all means....proceed....

Some sort of anti-woman sentiment. It's bullshit.

>Some sort of anti-woman sentiment. It's bullshit.

>Some sort of anti-woman sentiment. It's bullshit.


I mean...even on some straight up political brinkmanship the shit doesn't make much sense....

It's craven...It's stupid....It's desperate.....

Basically, it's Trump....

>Some sort of anti-woman sentiment. It's bullshit.

The attack would be not on Bill's misdeeds. It would be on Hillary's response and treatment of Bill's accusers. She worked hard to discredit and attack them.

Now, Hillary Clinton's response does seem natural and rational. It is natural to be sympathetic to and protective of your spouse. Most would do the same thing if they were put in that situation.

But this is politics, and facts and reason don't matter. It would be easy to design an anti-feminist/misogynist attack again Hillary Clinton. It would probably backfire because Trump's misdeeds in this regard seem to greatly outweigh Clinton's.

>But this is politics, and facts and reason don't matter. It
>would be easy to design an anti-feminist/misogynist attack
>again Hillary Clinton. It would probably backfire because
>Trump's misdeeds in this regard seem to greatly outweigh
>Clinton's.


There's not a probably to it....it will def. backfire....And it will backfire because of who Trump is....He can't be the one bringing up Bill Clinton's infidelities...Not because of Trump's on cheating issues. It's because of how he is viewed by the heavily polled female demographic as being a bully....Trump is basically saying, "It's your fault that your husband cheated....."

That dog won't hunt...

so is the media acting like that didnt happen?

are black folk acting like it didnt happen?

The crazy part is WE ALL KNOW HILLARY WAS ON THAT BULLSHIT....

But u know what she did? She fired the staffer that was sending out emails questioning Obama's background and then personally apologized to Obeezy...

Again, it has to be said. Trump has never apologized about anything in his life. Literally....lol

That's why the false equalization shit Legs and others have fallen for gets little traction.....

in his administration.

clearly it's all gucci between them.

he's out there campaigning for her. so is his wife.

it's gravy.

tryna use any of that shit is ridiculous. he ain't mad about it. how can any of us be madder than he is? it's stupid.

You really think the 2008 Clinton campaign had their hands clean on this? It was just a one rouge staffer who was promptly purged from the campaign because that was too dirty for them? Cmon

They were trying to get every advantage possible and if Obama's background questions would get them votes, you know they'd latch on to it with the quickness. The key thing is that there is nothing officially linking her campaign to the birtherism nonsense. That's what protects her in this.

>
>The crazy part is WE ALL KNOW HILLARY WAS ON THAT
>BULLSHIT....
>
>But u know what she did? She fired the staffer that was
>sending out emails questioning Obama's background and then
>personally apologized to Obeezy...
>
>Again, it has to be said. Trump has never apologized about
>anything in his life. Literally....lol
>
>That's why the false equalization shit Legs and others have
>fallen for gets little traction.....
>
>

It's all about the apology...That's how u kill a political story...That's how u move on...

HRC did that....Trump never does....

We all know Obeezy would not have offered old girl that Secretary of State if she didn't put it to bed......

It's a non story in 2016....

>

No...I will drink common sense....I'll let u drink that bullshit...

I keep telling y'all fools....There are plenty of ways to get at Clinton....But Trump is too unhinged to stay on message...

That first 30 mins, Trump was tracking her down....He had her in the scope...And was actually beating her...

1. That TPP hit= Powerful....

2. Prosecuting Clinton as the ultimate political insider = Powerful

3. Connecting her as the anti-change agent = Powerful...

But nah......Y'all think dude should go with some wacked out Right Wing, tired talking points (CLINTON STARTED THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT!!) and then go totally dumb thinking it would be a good idea for him to connect Bill's dick issues with a female Presidential candidate....lol

Again....There's a way to get at Clinton....The route y'all r co-sogning would work with Trump's base....Trump's base is angry and not that smart....

But, Trump's base is not enough to win an election. He has to attract more voters....

The funny part is.....Trump will def. go the dumb route and go on that Bill's Dick = HRC....And thank God for that.....

>I keep telling y'all fools....There are plenty of ways to get
>at Clinton....But Trump is too unhinged to stay on message...

>Again....There's a way to get at Clinton....The route y'all r
>co-sogning would work with Trump's base....Trump's base is
>angry and not that smart....
>
>But, Trump's base is not enough to win an election. He has to
>attract more voters....




Trump already sounding the dog whistle to have them PWT dust off their voter registration cards and show up in DROVES

Answer me this, are there more PWT in this country or more illegal aliens?
That's where this dude gonna win
PWT
Not enough messkans in Ohio, Pennsylavnia or North Carolina for them to rise up and beat this guy

Who you think taking NY?
Him or Her?

Trump no longer has the comfort of being on the campaign stage with 50 other candidates....What he's done in the past is moot....It's all about what he does right now...And right now dude looks like he didn't even bone up for that debate...

Don't let my words fool u into thinking I'm on some HILLARY STAN shit...I would be making the same posts about any other Democratic candidate going against Trump...Because Trump is a danger to this Republic...Your boy is that horrific...He's a literal lunatic that is beneath the Oval Office....

Fuck Donald Trump and any other rube supporting that Racist, idiotic, fool ass, misogynistic con man....

Ya dig?

>
>
>Trump no longer has the comfort of being on the campaign stage
>with 50 other candidates....What he's done in the past is
>moot....It's all about what he does right now...And right now
>dude looks like he didn't even bone up for that debate...
>
>Don't let my words fool u into thinking I'm on some HILLARY
>STAN shit...I would be making the same posts about any other
>Democratic candidate going against Trump...Because Trump is a
>danger to this Republic...Your boy is that horrific...He's a
>literal lunatic that is beneath the Oval Office....
>
>Fuck Donald Trump and any other rube supporting that Racist,
>idiotic, fool ass, misogynistic con man....
>
>Ya dig?

Do a search on my name Captain Troll.....U will see me getting bombed and shitted on by real Hillary STANS during Obama's first run. I thought Obeezy would have a better chance than Hilldawg because of the history he represented...So I stumped hard for Obama.

This year? Clinton is the best option...She was better than Bernie (in my opinion)...So that's who I'm rolling with...

Again......

Fuck Trump....And fuck anyone supporting him....And fuck anyone playing that Contrarian/Troll game, arguing just to argue on some bullshit....

the "angry, racist, Obama is to blame for BLM and the racial divide in america" vote.

>the "angry, racist, Obama is to blame for BLM and the racial
>divide in america" vote.
>

>the "angry, racist, Obama is to blame for BLM and the racial
>divide in america" vote.


And for the last time.......Nigga WE KNOW THAT....lol

But Trump's team wants him to expand his voting demographics.....They want him to reach more white women.....

But Trump is going to do what he is going to do. He's the same dude that gave his own team the brush off when they tried to prep him for the debate....

Trump will bring up Monica Lewinsky....

Trump will continue to traffic in racist conspiracy theories.....

Trump will continue to dump on women....

NO SHIT....

None of this will expand his voting block, something TRUMP'S TEAM (not me, Keith Murphy) is imploring him to do...

Get it?

It's not expanding....That's the issue....That's why his team is currently freaking out, Legs....What u r witnessing is Trump getting more Republicans on his side....He has the base and he is getting more traditional GOP voters back in the fold...

In most recent years, the Republican vote has been worth anywhere from 42 to 47 percent....Right now Trump is at 38 percent. THIRTY EIGHT......Clinton is at 41-42 percent. While national polls are always dicey this current one is interesting because it comes right after the debate. Clinton just received a 3 to 4 point bump after Trump fumbled the ball in the first debates....

Elections have always been about expanding....Trump team wants him to tap into that white college educated female vote....So far, that's not happening....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/


Frontline coming through with BARS as usual


Some great stuff here about both candidate's early lives.


Hillary's parents being verbally abusive and how that contributed to her intensely private close-to-the-vest nature.


Trump's Dad's social darwinist b.s... and Trump's prep school friends saying how he's basically the same person he was from those days. I learned a lot about Trump's business background too. DIdn't know the extent in which The Apprentice rebooted his "brand" to what it is today.

it's on the DVR. Looking forward to checking it out.

i think this term best describes what is happening
(its in one of the first comments i read after this article: "When a man is attacked for cheating on multiple wives less than a woman is attacked for her husband having cheated on her — that, my friends, is cultural misogyny."

What's worse is that it rehashes this period of life for women who have struggled to get over it. as i said in a previous post (somewhere up here)

"they really need to leave Lewinsky alone
i read an article; this one
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/16/monica-lewinsky-shame-sticks-like-tar-jon-ronson

where she describes how hard it has been for her to move on with her life
after that period of time
it would be a shame to use this toxic political climate to drag her name in again
she doesn't deserve this

“Overnight, I went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one worldwide. Granted, it was before social media, but people could still comment online, email stories, and, of course, email cruel jokes. I was branded as a tramp, tart, slut, whore, bimbo, and, of course, ‘that woman’. It was easy to forget that ‘that woman’ was dimensional, had a soul, and was once unbroken.”

this political campaign has already become a cesspool
it would be a big shame to drag it even further into that.
these women dont deserve to have their lives once again turned upside down
just because a stupid, misogynistic asshole
doesnt know enough policy to campaign on actual issues"



http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/28/1575396/-Thrice-married-adulterer-Trump-ready-to-attack-Hillary-Clinton-over-Bill-s-past-infidelities

Donald Trump was very proud of himself for not explicitly attacking Hillary Clinton over her husband’s past infidelities in Monday night’s debate: “When she hit me at the end with the women, I was going to hit her with her husband’s women and I decided I shouldn’t do it because her daughter was in the room.” That was always a veiled way to raise the issue, but it looks like Trump and his team are deciding to go full-on and blatant with that line of attack after all.

Past adulterer Rudy Giuliani thinks past adulterer Trump should definitely go for it. Trump deputy campaign manager David Bossie, of Citizens United fame, is pushing the attack, and:

"Trump surrogate Leslie Rutledge, asked about Trump and Machado, says Clinton overlooked "husband's indiscretions." This is happening."

Against them, you have a host of Republican operatives wincing in the knowledge that this is nothing new, it has not worked in the past as an attack on Hillary Clinton—and in this case, it plays into Clinton’s message that Trump is a misogynist creep:

If the thrice-married Trump hits Hillary Clinton for her husband's infidelity, he's effectively taking her bait again. "He's walking right into her trap," Packer said. "She's making the case that he bullies, degrades and humiliated women. And this will be Exhibit A."

This is Hillary Clinton we’re talking about. It’s not just that she’s been dealing with exactly these attacks for decades. She’ll have practiced how to deal with a Trump-specific version of them. And she’ll have about a dozen easy examples of Trump treating other women in the same way he’s treating her.

But even though it won’t work, and even though Clinton will be ready for it, it’s going to be an ugly thing to watch. It’s even uglier when you consider it’s coming from a major party presidential nominee.

At this point, this 3rd party shit is getting as absurd as the Trump run...And this fool is a Governor........I got some folk that would love to tap into Johnson's stash. He must have some potent shit....

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POLITICS SEP 29 2016, 4:22 AM ET
Gary Johnson Has 'Aleppo Moment' at MSNBC Town Hall, Struggles to Name a Foreign Leader

by MATTHEW KITCHEN


Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson struggled to name a single foreign leader when asked who his favorite was during an MSNBC town hall Wednesday night.

"Any one of the continents, any country. Name one foreign leader that your respect and look up to. Anybody," host Chris Matthews pushed during the event, causing Johnson to sigh loudly as his VP pick Bill Weld tried to jump in.

"I guess I'm having an Aleppo moment," Johnson finally said, referring to his recent gaffe on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" when he asked "What is Aleppo?" after he was questioned about how he would handle the conflict in the Syrian city.

With an assist from Weld, Johnson finally landed on Vicente Fox, who served as Mexico's president from 2000 to 2006: "He was terrific."

Any answer would be criticized to death.
Choose a European leader? What are you, a socialist?
Choose a middle Eastern leader? Cmon
Choose a Putin like strong man? Nope

He loves gotcha shit.
Johnson handled it horribly. He really doesn't seem to know much.

>Any answer would be criticized to death.
>Choose a European leader? What are you, a socialist?
>Choose a middle Eastern leader? Cmon
>Choose a Putin like strong man? Nope



Cut it out...lol.....It's a layup....Even Trump answered it correctly....

Also, it follows a pattern of Johnson being clueless as fuck....Like when they asked him about that recent terrorist assault at a Minnesota mall...He basically said, "Thank God no one got hurt..."

Only problem: A myriad of people got stabbed....

It's never about 1 thing...It's about whatever pattern is forming...It's a problem Clinton has had to fight about her secrecy...Got to get in front of that shit...

Netenyahu, Putin, or el Sisi.

Liberals can be safe going with someone like Trudeau or Hollande
What is a libertarian to say?

I do think he blanked out on knowing anybody's name and looked dumb. But he would have been better of dodging than giving any answer at all

this yahoo story sums up why I think the debate wasn't a real W for Hillary. Also makes me wish Joe Biden ran for President. He is the perfect candidate to crush Trump because he has that raw emotion.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-clinton-hasnt-put-trump-away-090041706.html

When Trump blurted out, shockingly, that the definition of business in America was to bet on a housing collapse — which, by the way, was very, very bad for American business, if you haven’t heard — Clinton stayed with her clinical points about how many people had lost their jobs and how the Obama administration had brought us back from the abyss.

All of which was fine — as I said, she prosecuted the case ably enough on the merits. What was missing, though, was any kind of emotional investment, any sense of being genuinely offended on behalf of the people Trump insults.

You get the feeling Biden wakes up in the morning shaking his head and muttering to himself, infuriated by Trump’s blatant disregard for the aspirations of worried Americans.

You get the feeling Clinton wakes up and consults her briefing books, concerned chiefly with avoiding anything off-key. She mentioned her father a few times in the debate, but the lines seemed as well ironed as the pantsuit.

Some of this is just personality, and some of it almost certainly has to do with the burdens of being a woman nominee. The media is quick to see Clinton as shrill or hectoring; emotion of any kind is more perilous for a woman, and no one should pretend otherwise.

But as Karl Rove used to say back in the day (and here he was right), you beat your opponent not by attacking his weakness but by undermining his strength. And emotion — ostensibly on behalf of white, working-class Americans — is the only ballast that keeps allowing Trump to bob back up to the surface.


What was stunning about watching Trump Monday was his complete and unapologetic lack of depth. Never have we seen a candidate make less pretense of knowing anything about policy or history. When it comes to actual governance, Trump, at this late date, is still just a guy in a bar, tossing out platitudes he’s heard on TV.

And yet he displayed the mastery of emotion that has gotten him this far. A pure entertainer, he channels better than any candidate who ran this year the cynicism of the white electorate, and not just those who are staunchly conservative.

Loss of control, creeping chaos, contempt for the political class — these are the emotions that have been building in the electorate for years now, and Trump has brilliantly distilled and exploited them.

To really put Trump away for good, you can’t cede the emotional ground to him, preferring to stay at a cerebral remove. You have to compete for it, as Biden would.

You have to sever Trump’s emotional bond with his voters, or at least strain it. You have to expose him as a fraud whose career belies all of this apparent conviction about the American working class.

Imagine if, when Trump made the boneheaded mistake of saying it was just business to bet against the housing market, Clinton had responded with something more like:

“No, Donald, that’s actually not business at all. That’s just the greedy, heartless speculation that real CEOs and real patriots despise, because it destroyed American families while you got rich and laughed. Which is why even your fellow business leaders don’t respect you.”

That would have left Trump looking far worse than sputtering. It would have left him looking small and unworthy.

There are a couple of more debates coming up, and I’d guess that Clinton might win those too, on both the arguments and the atmospherics. But I’d also guess that, without a more emotional assault on his case for the presidency, Trump can remain viable, at least, straight through to Election Day.

We should know by now that Trump isn’t going to just self-destruct. Lord knows he’s tried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLRN_9G3qWY&feature=youtu.be

Can't make this shit up anymore....Spinal Tap levels...

Any Trump supporters/Contrarians in this posts......Y'all some rubes...

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The Hill

September 29, 2016, 04:22 pm
Trump: Debate was rigged
By Nikita Vladimirov


Donald Trump on Thursday said that the first presidential debate of 2016 against Hillary Clinton was "a rigged deal."

During a campaign event in New Hampshire, Trump, the Republican nominee, said he had to fight with moderator Lester Holt on "everything I said."

"Then I had to put up with the anchor and fight the anchor on everything I said. What a rigged deal, I tell you, we are in such a rigged syst — it is terrible. What's going on in this country is so sad. But it will change. Remember Nov. 8th."

He also touted the nonscientific online polls that showed him as the victor of Monday's debate.

The majority of scientific post-debate polls and focus group studies found that Clinton won the contest. The Democratic nominee has also gotten a slight bump in the polls.

Trump previously warned that the election could be rigged and said that he'll only lose Pennsylvania, a key battleground state, "if cheating goes on." He also asserted that the presidential debates were rigged because two of the three contests were scheduled at the same time as NFL games.

Trump has changed his tune on Holt since after the debate, when he initially said the anchor did a “great job” and asked questions that “were very fair.”

"When I first did it, I thought he was fine, I wasn’t thinking about it, but when I reviewed it and when I saw all of the commentary — because a lot of people thought he was terrible — and I looked at all of the commentary, I realized he was much, much tougher on me than he was on Hillary, it was like day and night," Trump said on Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor."

link: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298577-trump-debate-was-rigged