The first episode is streaming on HBO GO!

I watched it and... yes! This and Atlanta on television at the same time is incredible.

I really dug that first episode.

of black male stereotypes.

but i also recognize it's just the first ep and it deserves some time to show it's cards. and also i wasnt entertained enough by the first episode to bother w/ more.

just make sure yall keep the same intensity...

I'm glad you didn't do that... while doing that.

I think the male characters were a little flat, in the same way the Van is a little flat. There's plenty of time to explore those characters.

And actually, I don't think there's was much of a problem in the portrayal of her hs/college beaux. I think Issa was the one with the issues talking about "I just got out of a relationship, I'm not sure I wanna jump back in one..." Girl, it's far too soon to even be thinking that. If you're into hooking up, do that. If not, don't. Leave the 'r' word at home for a bit.

>I think the male characters were a little flat

agreed, they were flat

>
>And actually, I don't think there's was much of a problem in
>the portrayal of her hs/college beaux. I think Issa was the
>one with the issues talking about "I just got out of a
>relationship, I'm not sure I wanna jump back in one..." Girl,
>it's far too soon to even be thinking that. If you're into
>hooking up, do that. If not, don't. Leave the 'r' word at home
>for a bit.


issa was definitely the one being unreasonable in that interaction.

to do it after 1 episode.

Let these guys get a season under their belt and see where they're going with their stories/characters.

I know that was in the trailer, but I loved how she delivered that.

You gotta peep the subtleties (and not so subtleties).

-The music is hilarious, especially the misandry laced ones
-The opening scene with the kids was awesome and painful at the same time "My daddy say ain't nobody checkin' for bitter black women no more"
-The Broken p*ssy consoluation of her friend after getting dumped. I was not expecting that to be her response. Caught me off guard and then her friend emoting what the p*ss would sound/look like. lol
-'Broken p*ssy' performance hahahaha
-Her friend, with dude on the wall's face when she was like "she's rapping about me".
-Issa hitting the dance move after dude curved her handshake
-The Asian chick saying "Jamal said I was his first"

I'll be watching.

I don't find passive-aggressive comedy funny. That 'though bubble' type of comedy (where we get to hear what the actor's thinking in their head). The same with sarcasm, snark, slick-talk, etc. Plus, there were too many race-based jokes in the 5 minutes I watched.

Anyways, just giving my subjective appraisal.

you white?

Yet you're a fan of Black-ish

Odd

its a joke...

sit down nigga

Most of the jokes seems like those that come from black folks that have a chip on their shoulder about being black, are insecure about being black, have something to prove about being black, etc. I just don't "get" that perspective because for me being Black is normal, and everyone else is "different." (that reverse privilege, lol).

ionno... their scenes seemed stiff as shit. I think its the timing, it seemed a little off..

gonna give it a shot tho...

I never watched the web series, but I just watched the first two... not gonna watch anymore.

It's like the first season of the Boondocks, Black Dynamite, and Black Jesus. A bunch of recycled jokes. Not that they're bad, they'd just be better if you hadn't already heard them.

I'm in.

Didn't know Issa was built like that either. Her homegirl was fine as fuck too.

Broke Pussy, the not-handshake, the hating on the Asian girl and her BBF = comedy

They also ate at one of my favorite joints Merkato. Ol girl really is a waitress there too. Fine. Dude behind them is on Stones Throw I believe.

Also dug that they made the "hood spot" chill as fuck, made up for the tired bad ass hood kids scene

Def a fan off one episode.

oh wait, she was the butt of the jokes in that scene so I can see how you wouldn't find it funny.

it was the least imaginative shit. look the hood kids acting like assholes, YAWN...

it says more about you than me that you found that the funniest and claiming the homegirls were "stiff and lacked chemistry"

I wonder if you'd love Black-ish if Trace was the POV character and not Anthony

work it out holmes

isn't this her show? so now you shitting on scenes from her show but I'm the one who has an issue with women cause I think the chemistry is off?

these were just kids being kids clowning ole girl. shit was funny.

yall really need to stop this fake deep shit with every scene in a show. It's making you guys look real insecure (ha).

truthfully i do it to mess you half the time

but really I didn't like that scene and laughed my ass off at the others

hopefully the acting improves and they get into a groove

immediately bored
i barely even saw the point
but i guess
cheap laughs?

and it starts with middle school...ya know, where most of us start to become self aware and get very insecure behind the comments of others on our appearance, social status, etc.

Her being an adult, you'd think, would be immune to it but the kids actually went in on a few of her adult issues (career choice, relationship status, social status) and even drove it home with clowning her appearance.

It immediately set the tone for the episode:

-Career choice: you can see her wondering 'why the hell am I here' everytime they show her at her job
-relationship status: both Issa and Molly go thru it, from different angles
-social status: envy of Molly's career/status
-appearance: though she made it something fun, the whole lipstick thing and her trying out personalities based on the lipstick color was a direct b-line to insecurity...until she decided to just be herself

...and it was funny.

it was cliched and ham-handed and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long

>It immediately set the tone for the episode:

and i was immediately waiting for the next scene

>
>-Career choice: you can see her wondering 'why the hell am I
>here' everytime they show her at her job
>-relationship status: both Issa and Molly go thru it, from
>different angles
>-social status: envy of Molly's career/status
>-appearance: though she made it something fun, the whole
>lipstick thing and her trying out personalities based on the
>lipstick color was a direct b-line to insecurity...until she
>decided to just be herself

i found it boring
it's okay
i still like her
one of my favorite shows is on her youtube channel (First)
and i am rooting for her
and will still watch the show
i know how pilot episodes are
but this one and especially that scene just didnt do it for me
how many time must loud, rude, inconsiderate and ignorant Black (please notice that CAPITOL B) be used as "comic relief"?
enough.

and your mad because Black people are making jokes about Black people?

I dont know what her channel or other shows are like but I got the feeling this is a self depreciation type of humor. Jokes about being the awkward Black hipster type.

is her other stuff different?

does the kids in a classroom give okps flashbacks?

and mad? no.
she might go on the list though
it just depends on how the rest of this show goes
we'll see.

the shows on her channel are different. she frequently features other artists on her channel
and it's one thing i definitely love abt her
she hasn't even officially "made it" yet but she's still putting pple on

i dont know what flashbacks youre talking abt
aint no kids talking to me like that.



>and your mad because Black people are making jokes about
>Black people?
>
>I dont know what her channel or other shows are like but I got
>the feeling this is a self depreciation type of humor. Jokes
>about being the awkward Black hipster type.
>
>is her other stuff different?
>
>does the kids in a classroom give okps flashbacks?
>
>

>it was cliched and ham-handed and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long

I think this is a 'lil' nitpicky.

>>It immediately set the tone for the episode:
>
>and i was immediately waiting for the next scene

I feel you.

>i found it boring
>it's okay
>i still like her
>one of my favorite shows is on her youtube channel (First)
>and i am rooting for her
>and will still watch the show

See I heard about her youtube show, but I never watched/got into it so this is my first exposure to her brand of comedy. So for you, it might have been yawn-worthy but you have to understand there is a whole new audience (like myself) who are trying to get familiar with her. We kinda need that type of tone setting. It wasn't lost on me as you can see.

>i know how pilot episodes are
>but this one and especially that scene just didnt do it for
>me

Right...it WAS a pilot and as far as they go, this was a good start imo.

>how many time must loud, rude, inconsiderate and ignorant
>Black (please notice that CAPITOL B) be used as "comic
>relief"?
>enough.

I could see this point if it was pite wholks who were the main characters but this is her personal insight on being a bit 'odd' in the black community. And it's a comedy so there's going to be at least a smidge of caricature. Gotta give some room for creative license and relatability. Personally, I don't think the middle school kids were loud and ignorant. They were...middle schoolers, which are by nature a**holes. But I can see you point and hopefully the show develops to your liking.

>
>I could see this point if it was pite wholks who were the main
>characters but this is her personal insight on being a bit
>'odd' in the black community. And it's a comedy so there's
>going to be at least a smidge of caricature. Gotta give some
>room for creative license and relatability. Personally, I
>don't think the middle school kids were loud and ignorant.
>They were...middle schoolers, which are by nature a**holes.
>But I can see you point and hopefully the show develops to
>your liking.

Nothing wrong with that. And the opening WAS part of Issa's job, not like it was gratuitous.

I just look at it like, if I stepped into any middle school, no matter the predominant race, I'd expect a**holery. It'd just come in different forms depending on the racial make up of the school.

This is how minorities (see: Black) would clown an awkward person in their class. I've been IN that class. I graduated college and have a career too. I don't think exposing audiences to our brand of middle school clownery is akin to schuckin' and jivin'.

But some of us feel much more strongly about the images hollywood wants the masses to see of our experience (Bonamie). I'd prefer they understand all of our nuances and us not be held to some 'super negro' standard.

Our kids are a**holes just like theirs. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaIFgse4Hw

it's cool though

I think it's refreshing we get a nerdy black chic's POV for a change.

And she gets to go balls out (relatively) because it's on HBO.

and not retread of all the sad black women tales from decades ago
but i mean...if that's her story....

that's what i thought
but i still am giving it a shot


>See I heard about her youtube show, but I never watched/got
>into it so this is my first exposure to her brand of comedy.
>So for you, it might have been yawn-worthy but you have to
>understand there is a whole new audience (like myself) who are
>trying to get familiar with her. We kinda need that type of
>tone setting. It wasn't lost on me as you can see.

i half watched her other show
so it was still fairly new to me
and i went in with an open mind
so im not getting this point


>>how many time must loud, rude, inconsiderate and ignorant
>>Black (please notice that CAPITOL B) be used as "comic
>>relief"?
>>enough.
>
>I could see this point if it was pite wholks who were the main
>characters but this is her personal insight on being a bit
>'odd' in the black community. And it's a comedy so there's
>going to be at least a smidge of caricature. Gotta give some
>room for creative license and relatability. Personally, I
>don't think the middle school kids were loud and ignorant.
>They were...middle schoolers, which are by nature a**holes.
>But I can see you point and hopefully the show develops to
>your liking.


she's black though
and i never thought about it until that scene
and i think she's better than those cheap, dry laughs.

because i have seen shit like that happen before.

.

sheesh. lol. i guess everything ain't for everybody but you seem upset about it.

Like others haven't had the same experience

I said it was probably the only part of the show that didn't make me laugh, Even In PTP said it was well acted/executed. Yet you and others make it a point to continue to tell me how hilarious y'all found it. Cool. I didn't

Also I'm an asshole. I'm trying to be better.

not one person came in here at you wrong and you mad tight for no reason but cool.

enjoy your day.

.

Pilots are hard but enough of the jokes hit that I'll definitely give it a few episodes.

sometimes it went too far with the comedy, but I understand it's a one woman show with supporting roles

If anyone is here, I'll def see what the word is with entry for it

The polished version of it...different in some ways, but same style of humor, pace, all that.

I do like that she has a Black boyfriend this time, but then I wonder how much of the show is gonna focus on how Black women are single while everyone else is getting married (even being engaged to Black men like the girl on there)...and how Black men don't want relationships. I'm all the way in, though

i think molly and issa's chemistry is fine, but maybe there was some stiffness in some parts of the dialogue or in some parts of issa's delivery.

i agree that the opening scene with the kids was clunky, but i guess i found it tolerable because it does set up the whole ep/show.

i laughed loudest when she sorrowfully said "that's too aggressive" in the mirror.

it wasn't a turn off, just something I noticed.

it may be the editing.

Didn't really understand a lot of scenes as a black man, but lucky enough I got Atlanta. Hope it does good tho.

>Didn't really understand a lot of scenes as a black man, but
>lucky enough I got Atlanta. Hope it does good tho.

It put a lot into perspective regarding my single homegirls and their feelings. I saw their lives being acted out on the screen

and I see where you are going with it. my homegirls hit me up like a therapist about black men and why they single. Hence why in my head I was like so maybe its a black womens Sex in the City and they need that show. As a man, I don't think it is for me. Kind of reminds me of my black homegirls who want to "build a nigga and control him" if you catch my drift

> Kind of reminds me of my black homegirls who want
>to "build a nigga and control him" if you catch my drift

dotdotdot

instead of having us develop into what they want us to be or taking on the risk that it'll never happen

it can be a really difficult conversation from both ends, I dont think I've ever seen a plot where a woman wasnt everything a man was looking for after they were together but I know it happens

also I think men would rather stick through these kinds of things (so long as love and respect were there) than ever be single again, I've seen women just throw in the towel on dudes I considered to be "good" from the outside looking in because he wasnt "perfect" or "ideal" (as opposed to a bum like dude on Insecure)

i think men think that's what women want
when most of them are way more flexible and not as interested in some things as a man's own ego is
but that's another post
and another reason why the pilot and possible premise (the boyfriend) is just not that interesting

I just finished the first season of StartUp on crackle. White dude starts hanging out with a cuban girl and a hatian gangster to start a new company. His GF is like "who are you? I don't like this new person"

White dude says "I hated that old person, I feel alive now"

basically, they want a guy who is the shit but also stays home all the time and never has fun with his homies.

so sensitive to that "broken p" rap that clearly wasn't serious and about her.

but then i thought, well, when you are in a super sensitive place, something that would normally be inconsequential can really get under your skin and hurt you. and since we're getting an inside view of their friendship, we get to see molly just express her overall anger (about her love life, about not knowing exactly what she's doing wrong--is she "broken"?, about issa's inattentiveness).





>>Didn't really understand a lot of scenes as a black man,
>but
>>lucky enough I got Atlanta. Hope it does good tho.
>
>It put a lot into perspective regarding my single homegirls
>and their feelings. I saw their lives being acted out on the
>screen
>

but i laughed when dude strolled off so it worked.

i guess its about women being in a place where rhey cant get out of their way. Dude was hollerin and she found a way to fuck it up by being more concerned with how her friend was having a good time.

but I can see how a dude wouldn't like a Black Sex in the City

I appreciate these shows being made and I know there demographic is all but personally for me I wouldn't be interested. It is not a dislike, it is more so a "I rather watch something that is more geared for me" type of thing.

with a man's, especially when it feels authentic...because it's not always about relating. Same way I can watch Godfather, OR Elephant man, and enjoy seeing someone else's view and how their personalities and experiences differ from mine.

Like seeing Issa in the mirror trying to figure out if she should wear the dark lipstick and be aggressive, or the light lipstick and be way more passive....it's like "whoa, that's really the decisions women make before a date/going out?"

This show surely does cater more to women, from the situations to the sense of humor...but I don't think anything about it should turn guys off from watching and enjoying.

My girl watches "Difficult People" and "Broad City" and a few other shows (*Wives, Love and HipHop, etc). While the writing on "Difficult People" is excellent, and the jokes and timing are great I just can't get into it, as I just don't *get* the show the same way she does.

The reality shows are almost unwatchable to me, but yet she *loves* them. Nothing wrong with a show having a targeted audience.

n/m

The show barely passes the Bechdel test.

Anyway, I thought it was just okay. It reminded me of girls that I know who think they are funny but actually aren't that funny.

Music was great. Good to see a show with two dark skin female leads.

But this show just might not be made for me but I ain't mad at it.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'm really conscious of this when I talk to my friends. I had one friend who all we talked about was relationships. Then I realized that 1) I didn't want to have her problems in common and 2) We had nothing else to talk about.

It's a sharp contrast from Atlanta, when Earn talks about his BM twice, briefly and only to his co-worker.

Earn isn't talking alot about Vanessa because "he and Semi are in dire straits" and is trying to figure out where his next meal is coming from. He doesn't have the leisure to spend alot of mental energy on his love life (so far). Issa seems to be secure in terms of employment and money, and often, that's when your focus goes to love stuff.

That said, I'm feeling the pilot. It was pretty funny and well paced (the Broken Pussy song was hilarious) BUT I don't know if I like the way black men are portrayed...shiftless BF, the player who doesn't "do" relationships. Perhaps, this will reverse itself in time. We'll see.

http://static2.hypable.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Issa-Rae-Insecure.jpg

I remember posting pics of a guy she was booed up with a few years on Facebook...he wasn't that dark tho.

You right about LA black girls being kinda left tho. lol.

yea we need a bigger sample size on insecure. aka ABG2.0
but so far blackish still leading atlanta and insecure


atlanta is trending towards some boondocks eps in that i be watching, it holds my attention, but there will be stretches where i'm barely laughing. or just at light chuckle mode


yall bammas goin full "AAS 210:black representation in modern media" midterm paper on these tv show analyses tho.

I don't think Atlanta is trying to be a full blown comedy.

Insecure is the least funny to me tho, the jokes didn't hit but we will see where it goes. I don't really like these early sneak peaks tho, I keep checking for new episodes every Sunday.

Atlanta > Blackish > Luke Cage > Queen Sugar > Insecure > Power > Empire

>Atlanta > Blackish > Luke Cage > Queen Sugar > Insecure >
>Power > Empire

Power is a turrbl soap opera

glad you enjoy it

boss lol
yo be tryin to bring it up round us and we just be like http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1365350937_Kanye-West-Blank-stare.gif

I can't name no other black person that I know irl who watches

That white boy getting that good Black comedy while yall Black ish is GOOD as shit fam.

That 40 acres and a vote was fucking hilarious

When Junior threw up that slide of the kkk burning crosses during his election campaign.

REAL FUCKING TEARS!!!

that show is still the best Black comedy on TV.

nm

I didn't laugh at one episode. The whole Broken Pussy thing was offensive even though it was from a black women.

Trying to edgy like Girls but too cliched like a Terry McMillian novel. How tired is the" I can't get a man" black woman trope.

Also, I enjoy Issa's character the most (her knockoff Toni Child's bff cool too tho) which is rarely the case w/ these series where the lead is also the creator/writer/director.

but I'm still in

The dialogue feels forced and unnatural

The acting is mediocre, there's zero jokes to laugh at

Maybe this would've been poppin a few years ago, but in light of shows like Atlanta being so good this just falls really flat imo

it's not as subversive or layered as Atlanta but these are actual conversations women have with their friends and situations they find themselves in

People thought I was being harsh when saying the chemistry was off and the acting was bad between her and her best friend.

I think it gets the boot after 2 seasons.

>People thought I was being harsh when saying the chemistry
>was off and the acting was bad between her and her best
>friend.
>
>I think it gets the boot after 2 seasons.

enough viewers tune in and laugh which means Firecracker's opinion doesnt register with Issa Rae and HBO

HBO has no problem cancelling shows that get poor ratings.

This one is made on the cheap so they may give it another season but chances are slim.

chances being slim and all

HBO's track record of cancelling after 1 season

The time slot

It's not a very good show thus far.

Before cancelling. Wait there was also that Jill Scott African comedy. How many seasons did that get?

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it was nominated for a few emmys too.

I think insecure gets a second season because it doesn't cost much to produce.

.

Im not sure most blk ppl woulda thought it was funny... I'd even say that some would've been outraged...

And it somehow sums up exactly how I feel about the show thus far


It feels contrived, shallow, riffing on stereotypes, whereas Atlanta references shit we all know and talk about but it feels 10x more current and on point

I mean, Drake cards and Beyonce lyrics and all this? Sure, yeah.... But it might as well have been written by a early 40 y.o caucasian man tbh



Edit: I dont mean to BASH it, its not HORRIBLE. Its just... Not very good

I just think the jokes aren't funny...

but why the "if white people did this" angle?

Just for the sake of supporting it

If it was produced by the guy behind Everybody Loves Raymond, a certain percent of the people getting behind the show just because its written by Issa - wouldn't

If this was someone else besides Issa or a playery type it would be laughed at... but not for the jokes.

I didn't think Awkward Black Girl was all that funny, great, or interesting. Insecure seems like more of the same re: repeat of the web series.

The acting and writing are mediocre.

Lol I'd rather re-watch the last season of Girls. :-(

Meh.

I definitely laughed outloud...mostly at the Blood, but that's because they stretched it out to a ridiculous length and it got a call back.

The rest of the episode was ok.

I'm not down on it, but I wanna see where this goes. I'm not hooked.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

was hilarious.
As was homegirl's descriptions of the different dating aps and her date with dude from the exclusive one.

Not super hilarious but I had fun and will continue to watch. She is funny and hit a few interesting topics.

Might have been subversively funny 5-10 yeas ago, but you need more in the age of Amy Schumer.

This show is very much executive produced by Larry Wilmore, you want to support and laugh more but it's a bit corny and tame.



>The first episode is streaming on HBO GO!
>
>I watched it and... yes! This and Atlanta on television at the
>same time is incredible.
>
>I really dug that first episode.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Might have been subversively funny 5-10 yeas ago, but you
>need more in the age of Amy Schumer.
>
>This show is very much executive produced by Larry Wilmore,
>you want to support and laugh more but it's a bit corny and
>tame.
>
>
>
>>The first episode is streaming on HBO GO!
>>
>>I watched it and... yes! This and Atlanta on television at
>the
>>same time is incredible.
>>
>>I really dug that first episode.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

with poorly written dialogue, awkward delivery, doing even more impossible OVER the top shit, talking bout their pussies, body parts, and relationships though. Don't mind me though im just making a broad observation here.

Listen, this show might be to black women TV what Beyonce is to black women music, that's great (though my wife is not a fan of the show at all), but I am not feeling it.



>with poorly written dialogue, awkward delivery, doing even
>more impossible OVER the top shit, talking bout their pussies,
>body parts, and relationships though. Don't mind me though im
>just making a broad observation here.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

too much for me.


>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Broad City is hit or miss, especially with their adventures leaving New York
Insecure is great, I just like laughing though

*from MY perspective.

My male mind just doesn't find jokes about vaginas, taking a shit or fucking random dudes funny. Just like I don't find male comedians funny that make jokes about their dick, farting or fucking random women.

It's just not clever.

can't i just support the show cuz I want ol girl to do well?

i aint even finish season one of ABG, it was funny but i ran outta of time/other shit took priority.

i watch Atlanta on demand, i watch insecure on demand. I'm not comparing the shows. they both have their own brand of funny. I'm not laughing non stop through either one of them, but i am watching.

my wife kinda fucks with insecure, she really fucks with atlanta, but we live in atlanta and she grew up here, sooooo.

ABG lead to Insecure, i'm hoping Insecure leads to bigger and better shit for Issa. Need more regular black people shit on the tube man.

Damn.


(i am struggling through Queen Sugar tho, feels too soap opera-y and the OWN branding and Tyler Perry commercials are giving me the gas face, literally. i love the concept tho. Father left his heirs a sugar plantation, in the south? clay davis.)

And believe me, the target audience would be shitting on it if they didn't dig it.

I'm not the target audience

The slightly Okayplayery/awkward types, but more so the ones who are into both sides...the Playery/Soulful and the Ratchetivity.

OKP types are a bit too critical to enjoy this. All the way ratchet types won't get a lot of the jokes or humor in it. Anyone in their mid-30's or older will miss some of the references, or either won't find certain things funny.

watching it i didn't dislike the show i just felt it wasn't for me...which is all good. i hope it's successful. we all win if shows like this succeed whether it's our cup of tea or not

But OKP audience is waaaaaaay different. When I see the comments on Facebook, Twitter, and GroupMe's that I'm in, barely anyone complains about the show in the way that OKP does. They complain about the characters, but never about the production or how it needs to be improved...or being critical of each episode on some "I liked this one, but not the last one."

Her talking in the mirror / monologue critique though

Her n bombs are kinda "off" too

But two for two in my book.

The Blood neighbor shit was the best part...

Her friend really is fine as fuck.

You aren't wrong but.... just sayin.

There is a reason for that.

>You aren't wrong but.... just sayin.
>
>There is a reason for that.

To do a compare and contrast with the other blipster show, Atlanta, when they had the Van only episode that interaction was great.

I just think she's too hands on with the character...it reminds me of Woody Allen films where he's the worst thing about the movie because he's too tied into the world. The character just needs a different interpretation. Imho its why when the Blood character popped in it worked because he had zero ties to the plot, other characters and even theme of the show; there they were able to focus 100% on the joke.

That said, as the show presumably gets darker (because Issa's working her way up to a comeuppance) and we get into dramedy it might pay off...since we are so into her head when the other shoe drops it's going to be a doozy

Just joking Astral

His misogyny is showing

.

>I just think she's too hands on with the character

Or is the character basically *her*? Something I wondered.

dude was always the wackest character on the show IMO.

not saying she is a Jerry but I think she isn't that good of an actress or her schtick is the "ABG"

>>I just think she's too hands on with the character
>
>Or is the character basically *her*? Something I wondered.

Like her friend Molly is as stereotypical as can be on paper; the 'all together' awesome black girl who can't find a man. But that character breathes on screen and the actress is able to make her not seem that.

What we basically have is Awkward Black Girl, take 2 as far as the Issa Ray character is concerned when it feels like it should be different; her being an asshole to her boyfriend and friend, etc.

The reason why I mentioned Woody Allen is in his middle of the road films where he's the main dude you could practically hear Allen (the writer) type out every word he's was trying to act on screen...the character was played only as vessel for a story as opposed to being a living breathing person.

Same here; Issa's got all the plotlines but when she pops in she doesn't feel like she belongs in that world...hence why people are like they don't feel like her and her bff are actually bff.

I think its less about her being a bad actress, per say, but her being too close to the material behind the scenes, ON TOP OF, her just playing an aspect of her personality(so she doesnt really have to ACT ACT) makes it seem off.

DG has been working in television for almost 10 years on two of the most critically acclaimed tv comedies ever (30 Rock and Community).

Then he gets Paul Simms to executive produced who is responsible for great comedies like News Radio, Larry Sanders Show and Dave Letterman.

Meanwhile Issa Rae got one web series under her belt and Larry Wilmore, who seems like a great guy, but he has never been a laugh out loud type of dude.

Of course Issa Rae got HBO but I think that just puts extreme pressure on her to be HBO level of greatness.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It's what we do.

We know they have different levels of experience but once you get on TV you will be compared and critiqued to other new shows... especially Black shows

It's what we do. Why stop now?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It's not that serious tho...

I actually thought insecure would be better based on the promos for each one.

However, I think it's unfair to call a good show trash if it's not as good as Atlanta.

I am a DG fan and I thought I'd probably like the show but I'd be by myself. I had a feeling Issa Rae's show wouldn't be that good based on ABG.

It's not that serious but Insecure is looking extra bad because Atlanta is out there and I bet if Insecure was on netflix it would have had a nice little black woman cult following.




>It's not that serious tho...
>
>I actually thought insecure would be better based on the
>promos for each one.
>
>However, I think it's unfair to call a good show trash if it's
>not as good as Atlanta.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

how the fuck would WE know?

We're men.

I am a DG fan and I thought I'd probably like the show but I'd be by myself. I had a feeling Issa Rae's show wouldn't be that good based on ABG.

It's not that serious but Insecure is looking extra bad because Atlanta is out there and I bet if Insecure was on netflix it would have had a nice little black woman cult following.




>It's not that serious tho...
>
>I actually thought insecure would be better based on the
>promos for each one.
>
>However, I think it's unfair to call a good show trash if it's
>not as good as Atlanta.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i had to force myself through it
i dunno
im still watching though because it could just be getting its stride
it's still early
i really dont care to see her at work
like at all

i cant figure yall out.

Let me get this right....

Atlanta is the greatest show ever because its like Louie and Chappelle show had a baby

Blackish is funny but its corny and its not Atlanta which is the greatest show ever and its also just not black enough so its really just Modern family with negroes

Insecure is not funny because women are not funny and its not Atlanta which is the greatest show ever


Key and Peele are not funny because they are not Chappelle's show which was formerly the greatest show ever.



Ok. I'm logging off forever.

there's definitely an air of "how dare she think she's funny" in here

Atlanta is great because the bar was low and they are killing it with off the wall humor

Key & Peele is hilarious at times but also corny as shit and misses the mark a lot. It definitely got better after the first season.

Insecure.. just isn't funny to me bruh. The classroom jokes were funny. The Blood shit was hilarious but those 2 women haven't made ME laugh yet.

For the record, I like all four shows and they are funny in their own way. But this place seems to have agendas when it comes to certain Black art. It plays out in how folks perceive the shows you listed.

I haven't seen this ep of Insecure yet, but I love that Cecile got this opportunity. She's awesome. Her "Strolling" series on YouTube makes my heart happy. Y'all blackness loving people should check it out!

http://www.strollingseries.com/strolling

https://www.youtube.com/user/cecileemeke


Thank you AV Club
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/insecure-embraces-its-messy-side-244290

KING starting off the episode didn't hurt.

and the jokes easily missed
i find myself rewinding
because im half paying attention
and missed something
the jokes arent hitting though
and i still cant stand the way the kids are depicted
like...really?

And this past episode it's starting to stride
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I've never lived in Cali, but I had a friend who told me she left the Bay for the Midwest in part because Black men in Cali were only interested in "exotic", non-Black-looking women.

So I get that this is a thing.

But something about having Black women's undesirability as a pervasive theme in now three episodes is rubbing me the wrong way, especially since it's on HBO and not on a "for us" platform like BET. Even Being Mary Jane only touched on this in a couple of episodes (out of five seasons) with a resolution. Also, Mary Jane Paul is consistently portrayed as very desirable to men, even more so than her light-skinned best friend.

At this rate, this show may actually hurt our stock as Black women. I cringe watching it and I'm suppose to be the target demographic.

I'm rooting for Issa though.

basically showing how those myths aren't true. Such as how "L.A. guys don't even approach women" and he says "well, I approached you!"

I get what you mean, but I think the show is already showing that the Black women appear to be desirable, and Issa has a Black boyfriend this time unlike on ABG.

It looks like they started shaking that off in ep 3&4
And thank god cause it was played as fuck and made for boring watching

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no complaints at all.


whoever directed this episode needs to do more. This one was perfect.

what yall doing with that bouch? lmao

music I love
conversations I've heard (the black men/women issue in LA)
situations I've been in (Molly liking a guy and still feeling like she needed to upgrade/Issa and her guy fighting to make it work)

Larry Wilmore is proving to be tv kryptonite.
The pacing and the dialogue is just..."off".
The frequent pussy references are just weird and doesn't seem like a fluid part of the dialogue between this particular set of characters.
The entire time I feel like "Are they really BFF's or did they just meet in college and hang out a few times" there's no chemistry between them as friends.
The show just kind of meanders along.



<----- ...I'm a peace-loving decoy
Ready for retaliation...

>Larry Wilmore is proving to be tv kryptonite.


I wonder what this show would be like without his involvement.

Now that you mention it, I do get the same nagging "Why Aren't I Laughing?" feeling when I watch the show that I got during Larry's White House Correspondents Dinner speech.

>Now that you mention it, I do get the same nagging "Why Aren't
>I Laughing?" feeling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wilmore#Awards_and_nominations

That dude got HITS

.....Insecure is cool....just not really for me....like Girls

nm

for a number of reasons, the story was a little uncomfortable
the end was great though

Wait... Is Jidenna gonna be an on-going character?
It was funny to see him dressed down lol

This is two episodes in a row I liked
Yay!
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

i'm'a need them to stop with the mirror shit

I think you just have shirt taste in entertainment. Lol

Like the shots fired at El Camino College....so cold LMAO

especially when Molly is on dates, i'm like where is that

I tried to watch a bit with my girl last night, and the dialog/scenes just irked me.

EVERY joke seemed like it was based on some sort of passive-aggressiveness: people not speaking their mind, saying one thing but doing/thinking another, petty little digs at each other, etc. Even the dudes seen kinda passive like saying one thing and then backtracking.

YES

i felt so sorry for the summer law intern, but she didn't want to hear it the first time... so....

.

the boss asked that Molly talk to her
what we saw could have been foreshadowing for the intern to try throwing her under the bus down the line

With all those people in the meeting it looked like she was fired.

Followed by that move of her hand over her mouth in the next shot.
Either she's skilled or I'm easy. Probably both.

maaaan look.

.

Ya'll are looking at a youtube video and saying "WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO POSTED THIS!!"
Umm... youtube shows you who posted it, right there underneath the video.

Right?

This show tho....... dumb

We all knew Issa was gonna cheat. I try to like this show but it's difficult

at least i hope...I was more focused on why she can't let go of this funny looking dude who works with Ty Dolla Sign

didn't dig how they making Molly hella clingy with all her dates, even though I get it makes sense for her character.

they captured the passion and sadness of cheating very well in this ep tho. I would've been upset if they didn't have Issa hook up with producer dude.

ol' boy rapping was funny as hell too

i really hope Lawrence hook up with shorty from the bank. She cute as hell, got the titty meat on deck, and really seems to like dude for where and what he is

Let that nigga go if you want to be with your childhood crush.

The banker is all about that dude too. Smh.

Whoa... that was a doozy. Very interesting... pivotal episode.
And that conversation about black men's restrained sexuality. Wow. They went there. Best episode of the series thus far.


And my gawd, Raphael Saadiq has been killing it with the music all season.

not named treme

I'm glad I stuck with it.

it's steadily losing me though

Molly fucked Jidenna and Jared within 72 hours. the show is starting to feel like "Sex And The City For Women Who Can Say Nigga"

I may not finish this season

Because Jidenna was in her bed on the weekend, as stated. And with Jared, she didn't have to work that (next) day.

the party she wanted him to attend was Saturday evening
Jared fucked Sunday morning-afternoon

and Im not judging, but it can be a lot at times

people do this regularly

blah

or is this about not being able to suspend disbelief?

she judged ole boy for not going to college so I'm judging her for running back to that nigga after getting treated like a charity case

I've dated or physically kicked it with a handful of Mollys

as far as I know I havent ever been cheated on, but if I knew about it I'd hate Issa too

that could make it difficult to suspend disbelief watching it on TV

What in the entire fuck?

In what universe is the amount of sexual activity an actress engages in any of your business, as a viewer, and how the hell would it preclude her ability to portray a character on tv?

but I definitely wonder how he found out and why he felt the need to tell us.

Her story must hit home cause why else would a nigga type that shit?

I didn't watch the interview, but
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I don't believe her, telling her biz on the radio.

Someone gonna snitch, lol...

Seriously, she definitely acts like she is a virgin in some of these scenes. Ole desperate ass

on a widespread interview on a big platform

my bad for saying that makes the role less believable

fucking weirdos

on a personal level that is so damn unattractive

A lot of films and TV shows are about to be ruined for you bruh.

But for real, it's called "acting" and not "being" for a reason.

Damn...

but I cant unsee virgin

You mean to tell me since she is a virgin in real life you can't believe her role on the show?

Nigga, you are weird as shit.

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Shit is too real. I remember going through this exact same shit. From me losing my job all the way up to this shit

It's good. Really good.

A nigga can tell when another nigga is there to see his girl.

that argument between Issa and Molly was real as shit.

This show is playery as hell. I hope y'all getting paid cause she is stealing all the key words.

>It's good. Really good.
>
>A nigga can tell when another nigga is there to see his girl.
>
>
>that argument between Issa and Molly was real as shit.

Didn't know the show and Issa had it in her all around; kudos. I was having PTSD flashbacks in that breakup scene, LOL.

This bitch...

This nigga here...

Oh hell nah...

Stfu, y'all arguing too loud...

it took me to a place

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like realllllllllllly

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I'm silently going to judge the finale on whether she's in it or not.

I would cash my paycheck from the new job fast as fuck.

fuck direct deposit, I'm taking a long ass lunch.

He went from being a pathetic annoying character
Don't want him going back there
It basically why the HS dude Issa realized was a mistake
He never matured and was pretty pathetic
All he has going for him was his body and now that the itch was scratched
Welp
He man is was better as long as he doesn't get pathetic with going for ole girl at the bank
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

For both their sake he better find that bank teller or he is gonna put Issa thru hell.

You get back with someone who you cheated on and they havent slept with anyone else? Recipe for disaster

And find someone better than the bank teller

She fucked up royally
He's on better ground he should stay there
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the show kinda hinted they were on different levels as far as class and presumably long term goals are concerned. So him smashing the random that threw panties at him would hint and a slight step backward in growth.

However, she did see the 'diamond' in the rough, she's pretty, and if Issa gets to get side dick out of boredom and not wanting to be an adult and break up with dude, he's able to engage in the tried and true rebound hookup to get his groove back.

>
>
>

I know the answer but it's fucked up.

It's like Molly and ole boy who didn't go to college.

It's not a step down IMO. Go with the titties who have your back and believe in your dreams.

He was talking big tech dreams on dat facebook when they were eating fast food, she was talking phlebotomist training(c)Desus. He even gave a stutter at her response.

>I know the answer but it's fucked up.
>
>It's like Molly and ole boy who didn't go to college.

I didn't see it that way, but you got a point; that might even be one of the future threads they are gonna pick up. Particularly since Issas bougie college friends keep on making appearances every couple of episodes

>It's not a step down IMO. Go with the titties who have your
>back and believe in your dreams.

It's a step down because she's chasing after someone who indicated they have a girlfriend several times over

Unless he wants another
Issa
That chick don't respect relationships she ain't going to have nobody's back
That hilarious you assumed that though

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

about fuckin Daniel...Issa gave herself away w/ that "hmm" tho lol & she's not saavy or Scorpio enough to be a convincing liar, so it's best she told him the truth.

Tbh tho, the sitch perplexes me...If she was gonna fuck Daniel, why not do it after they met up w/ each other after the club?
Like, shit was looking up for them as a couple & then she decides to cheat + #dicktoobomb is such a dry ass excuse to cheat on longterm, cutie pie, bum bae Lawrence w/ ugly sexy Daniel.

Also, I only think Issa feels bad about fucking Daniel b/c Lawrence is on the come up/stepping up.

Molly aka great value Toni Childs is insufferable but she can dress her ass off & I'm a fan of her wigs...I been peeped game tho w/ how she resents Issa's relationship w/ Lawrence. Therapy might do her some good, can't wait til next week!

i feel like they were asked to "blacken up" the dialogue, because there's a ton of profanity and acting basic the past few episodes

Daniel has to die too btw

in the early episodes.

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Daniel aint do nothing; Issa was the one who showed up at the club, started communication with flirting, etc.

He knew she had a dude, but I cant fault him for thinking it was on the outs. I cant even remember if he def. knew until she told him to stop calling, and then him showing up at the party made sense since he was so mad at the way she brushed him off.

he succeeded at fucking
then he showed up at another work related function after being brushed off

always respect a woman's space when she doesnt want to be bothered

even all the texting was off da wall...he knows her situation....but she also should/could have cut it off so quick and just said "look, i'm back with my dude. we fucked but we can't keep this going. i'm out"

instead she just ignored dude and he lost his damn mind and stalked her.

He gots to go
Risking her lively hood on pathetic shit
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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*Pulls out haphazardly packed briefcase with papers flying everywhere*

While I respect the evidence presented and I know there is a possibility I might be wrong. I have one more point to make!

They were LONG time friends! He wasn't a jumpoff dude, like what he said when he confronted her. Despite they gave him megamuscles and the smile of a MLM representative, imagine you were that person.

Person you were on and off with for years but could never get it together walks into your show and starts flirting with you.

You drop the ball because it was so sudden, so you go to their job (NOT) to stalk but to apologize. They accept it and you can tell they like you

You guys go on a date, you fuck, you think of how great it was!

Suddenly they stop returning your calls, totally ghost. But you're like, "Yo, we are friends, right? I remember going to her cousins birthday in 2008! I remember when I had to babysit her drunk ass after a party in 2006. I remember giving her a ride to JJ's funeral, that was a sad ass day."

SURE, he may have crossed the line.

But ISSA. ISSA YOUR HONOR, IS THE ONE IN THE WRONG HERE. If he was a jumpoff cool. BUT THEY WERE FRIENDS FOR A DECADE! And her treating him like an itch like she described, some of y'all sane mofos would crash a company party too that you were invited to!

Big teeth doesn't have to respect a damn thing. She went to see him that night at the club. She was in his car kissing him while still in a relationship.

Can't blame a man for pushing a button when she gave that nigga the code to unlock the box with the button inside.

That button was behind 2 locked doors inside a vault and she let that nigga inside.

It's all her fault.

>You guys go on a date, you fuck, you think of how great it
>was!
>
>SURE, he may have crossed the line.

He crossed several

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But honestly, once you cheat you open up yourself to that type of shit

She got what her hand called for IMO.

or at least also has something to lose

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>or at least also has something to lose


It why she realized why her man was that dude
Daniel ain't shit
Mad self centered


>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I was worried the first few episodes
They were laying ground work
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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I'll also accept TCF Tasha.

Faked me out.

Nope, he was like pay for ass? Nah, Bank Teller is up. Let me just confirm my girl is out the crib so I can get my shit.

and then the very next cut is Lawrence going HAM with the angry-at-my-ex-so-you-getting-this-mean-pound game.

I ran it back about 3 times for her reaction and the Teller tits (c) LeroyBumkin

how delusional do you have to be to think a nigga gonna run back home and forgive you after 3 days?

im glad that ended it like that though

I did the robot around my living coffee room table like dude in the Chappelle barbershop.

Here's a breakup timeline we've all faced: hurt/anger/betrayal...you lick your wounds, hang out with your friends, try to regain yourself. You go out partying (in this guys case a strip club) try to get you're swagger back and realize that single life aint as fun as it was. You have moments of weakness, reach out to the ex SO because its comforting.

Then you have the realization (him coming back to their apartment) that even if you get back together it won't be the same. So you start dating again on some rebound stuff and eventually rebuild you sense of self and single-lifeness.

While this took place in the span of 48 hours instead of like 2 weeks (lol), it's a fair timeline. Online reaction made it seem like while Issa had it coming he's fucking up...not sure if that's the case.

Of course they think Lawrence is fucking up because even when women cheat they still gonna find a way to blame dude for moving on.

They got me tho.... I though lt she was gonna walk in on him fucking at the crib on some gangster get back since he thought she would be gone for a day or 2 but he knows ole girls ways.

When I saw that Best Buy shirt... lmao.

at Twitter this morning.

I read one joint like, "That's the difference between wanting to be with a woman who challenges you and makes you better vs accepting how you are."

I thought, how are we not sure the Bank Teller isn't just a better person than Issa? Cuz she works at a bank? What type of bougie Negroe bs is going on?

Vox had the perfect title for their review of it

"The first season of HBO comedy Insecure is a painfully real look at what it means to be selfish" along with this sentence:

"Insecure walks the incredibly thin line between portraying people doing selfish things and portraying them as irredeemably selfish people."

Lawrence being a slacker/aimless/depressed was his issue; obviously it affected Issa but he wasn't doing it out of selfishness. And he fucked up bad by basically doing nothing on her birthday.

But immediately from that point on he was on a path of trying to save their relationship and do better for him and for her.

Issa? She literally aint come home for 3 days, fucked some side dude, etc.



>at Twitter this morning.
>
>I read one joint like, "That's the difference between wanting
>to be with a woman who challenges you and makes you better vs
>accepting how you are."
>
>I thought, how are we not sure the Bank Teller isn't just a
>better person than Issa? Cuz she works at a bank? What type of
>bougie Negroe bs is going on?

he said the bank teller wasn't on Lawrence's level... lol.

he ain't really say that but maybe he can explain it.

I dont remember the exact conversation threads in the show but you got the impression that she's got zero hustle and goals, which isn't exactly a class issue (cause plenty of working class have hella hustle and goals).

It reminded me of dating someone when I got my first real job and they were amazed when I took them to Applebees. Class plays a part of it, but its not cut and dry.


>he said the bank teller wasn't on Lawrence's level... lol.
>
>he ain't really say that but maybe he can explain it.
>
>

I could see if she was scoffing at his grind but she was pushing that man to believe in his dreams.

She needs someone to push her a little further. Shit, she trying to get into the healthcare field. Everyone can't be a CEO of their own business.

and she got tig ole bitties

she scheming and pushing up on a dude that has a girl

now shes the rebound chick

standards were low from get go with her

same with Daniel
zero chill

they not serious people and you dont put them in a serious place
and yep you fuck around and fuck around with them

there will be repercussions and fall out
Issa down one
and now Lawrence will be as well
season two fall out might be spectacular
cause that girl has zero chill
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>she scheming and pushing up on a dude that has a girl

I stand entirely corrected then.

I don't remember him saying anything about it until she pushed up in the push up bra

as I recall (and I most certainly could be wrong), she didn't know he had a girl until she went to Best Buy with the titties out. And he goes "i have a girl" and she was like "oh." she had a look on her face but she didn't shrug, she was like "ok i'm out" and that was that.

When did she know before that moment he had one? (I'm not questioning YOU per se, but a few ppl say this and a few don't, and I want to know if I missed this)

at all.
Not to say they wont reveal she's shady in other ways, or actually doesn't give a fuck about stealing a man.

But I remember her being 'respectful' about his situation overall. She just ramped up the flirting because his ass was totally clueless the previous times...I remember her falling back when he finally gave a firm no.

I could be mistaken though.

>as I recall (and I most certainly could be wrong), she didn't
>know he had a girl until she went to Best Buy with the titties
>out. And he goes "i have a girl" and she was like "oh." she
>had a look on her face but she didn't shrug, she was like "ok
>i'm out" and that was that.
>
>When did she know before that moment he had one? (I'm not
>questioning YOU per se, but a few ppl say this and a few
>don't, and I want to know if I missed this)

when the bank teller walks up. (17 - 18 minutes in)

the SECOND thing lawrence says is... "my girlfriend looooves kale" (the first thing he says is "yup")

y'all have HBO Go, you can check.


Tasha does not respond and lawrence doesn't treat it as new info, I read that as she already knew he had a girlfriend before that, but it's in the show y'all. We're not faking.

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completely forgot about it. it was just so casual, which i guess speaks to the fact that he probably did tell her before.

because as soon as we saw her, my question was whether he'd ever told her he had a girlfriend.



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from the Wire.

and hurt as fuck and acting out on it

you hope for maturity
but welp

as you can see in here
dudes dont mature
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

One stroke at a time.

the other day because he asked Leah if she wanted him to double bag it.....

My man Lawrence kept is funky. I was worried that he was giving in too soon, but OH was I wrong.

Shout out to "I have a podcast though". Might have been the line of the ep.

>Shout out to "I have a podcast though". Might have been the
>line of the ep.

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and i dont listen to podcasts

bwahahahahaha
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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https://twitter.com/IssaRae/status/803083482259820544

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been there.

Rarely turns out well but sometimes....you just gotta say "what the fuck" and deal with the rest of that shit ===========>l8r.

I mean...niggaz gotta realize that, even if he hasn't been motivated...the show is portraying him as being faithful for years on end. So that's one thing.

PLUS....she didn't tell him she fucked around on him of her own accord. He had to put two and two together.

Money owed some poor decision making while he figures out his next step imho.

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Issa lost the charm of her ABG days, but gained a lot of points in terms of style

she and Larry need to get some other cooks in the kitchen, AND really make some decisions on these story lines and character arcs. I hate how Molly's character ended up. Lawrence is low-key the only likable MFer. The "Bi" story line felt straight out of the 90s. etc etc

shit was funny, honest, and at times raw, but episode one felt light hearted and a slice of dark Black comedy, but by the end it felt like melo-drama trying to assert its middle class Blackness

i'm def still in for season two, but wouldn't be surprised if I jumped ship

but thats the way it goes when you ain't shit, whether you a man or woman.

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as if She didnt go sleep with another dude.

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just that minor inconvenience

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About you
Beginning to doubt whatever they thought they saw
Or mainly who they think represents whatever they want them to represent

But hey let's let this play out
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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and the women I follow are too.

and the host was talking about how much she identified with lawrence, I think a lot of people do.

it doesn't just break down on GENDER WARZ lines unless you want it to


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>it doesn't just break down on GENDER WARZ lines unless you
>want it to
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

no one i know was pissed

disappointed in Lawrence
but it was understood
Issa brought this on herself

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

https://twitter.com/theAfroLegalise/status/803106134689247232

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I was enjoying the Reagan Gomez/reign of April commentary

Just checked three more 50k and over followers
I don't think they watched frankly lol one watched lucifer LOL



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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

the majority of black women on my TL was salty about it. Like he ain't shit and I'm like "but when Issa hit dude in the studio, y'all was like YES BITCH" and when we watching Scandal, they are like "YES OLIVIA!!"

so phony with it.

if that's the keyhole you're looking through, it's what you will see.

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and think that's all there is to life

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You can act like that sentiment doesn't exist but it does.

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chapter, Flats> Drums, 1000 SAT score or better.........
Black Twitter Segment

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Yooooooo


It's looking like it
LMAO
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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I wanted it so bad after she smashed Daniel. I was like IF THIS NIGGA DONT GO GET SOME I WILL NEVER WATCH THIS SHOW AGAIN

got lost in it all. that happens. But Issa wasn't being helpful at all...and unfortunately we come into their relationship years laters, months after he's already been unemployed so we don't see a progression to that point.

BUT I won't even lie, after that job interview when he was like "I think i can do my own app" I was so pissed at him. Because he had time to do it, but he bullshitted and now he needs to get this shit together and work on that app in his free time.

But he ain't deserve to get cheated on like that and just on the strength of THAT alone, I was happy that he was able to go and get some from someone who was supporting him and his dreams.

I was like... here this nigga go with the self sabotage.

>BUT I won't even lie, after that job interview when he was
>like "I think i can do my own app" I was so pissed at him.
>Because he had time to do it, but he bullshitted and now he
>needs to get this shit together and work on that app in his
>free time.

Yeah, he may have been pissing away his potential, but it's his potential to piss away. Its a strain on the relationship and Issa, but it wasn't personal; he just couldn't see the forest for the trees.

She did though, and she knew it bothered her and rather then break up with her we have her running around like a coward (and the first 6 episodes of Season 1, lol). She checked out of the relationship and eventually cheated because she aint know what she liked and rather end it cleanly made it as messy as possible.

This is real; people find themselves in situations where they resent the person they are dating for not being the idealized person we want them to be. You can push them/help em...but ultimately if you stay in a shitty situation that's on you, not them. Issa treated him like shit because she couldn't be the bigger person and break up with him.

If I remember correctly dude was like nah... not looking for anything serious and I think that made her run back to Lawrence.

and i much prefer seeing those storylines
it was way too real
and un-television like


>>BUT I won't even lie, after that job interview when he was
>>like "I think i can do my own app" I was so pissed at him.
>>Because he had time to do it, but he bullshitted and now he
>>needs to get this shit together and work on that app in his
>>free time.
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>Yeah, he may have been pissing away his potential, but it's
>his potential to piss away. Its a strain on the relationship
>and Issa, but it wasn't personal; he just couldn't see the
>forest for the trees.
>
>She did though, and she knew it bothered her and rather then
>break up with her we have her running around like a coward
>(and the first 6 episodes of Season 1, lol). She checked out
>of the relationship and eventually cheated because she aint
>know what she liked and rather end it cleanly made it as messy
>as possible.
>
>This is real; people find themselves in situations where they
>resent the person they are dating for not being the idealized
>person we want them to be. You can push them/help em...but
>ultimately if you stay in a shitty situation that's on you,
>not them. Issa treated him like shit because she couldn't be
>the bigger person and break up with him.

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I left it after the first few episodes but returned to it after social media started going crazy talking about. First few episodes were a struggle but then we stayed up into 1AM watching the last 4 or 5 episodes.

Everything steadily improved including Molly's weave.

Issa does relationship material far better than workplace comedy.

What's interesting is that she was able to go places that if a man showrunner had gone he'd be decried as sexist.

This season ended up being the anti-Terry McMillian. But that's another post to get the gender warz poppin.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Didn't think it would survive but now I'm mad as shit it's over.

Black TV is awesome right now

i also find her friends super annoying
except molly of course
anyway, it surprised me
which rarely happens
and ended up way better than it started

since she's single(ish) now
maybe i can get some eye candy
or maybe lawrence can shave and step his sexy up

and maybe they can get a better makeup artist and hair stylist
since they got renewed

Damn, you hate everything and everybody except for the most unlikable character.

learn how to read
and the most unliked character should be ISSA not molly
like i said, it's growing on me
and i hope the job and especially those kids fade to the background

and ended up liking the show. We need both this and Atlanta to do well.

And there's a LOT more they can do with Insecure because there's not really one particular focus like with Atlanta (budding rap career).

I have a feeling Lawrence won't be back full-time next season though. Issa will reenter the dating pool after like what, 6yrs out and her and Molly will exchange war stories until Molly probably meets a good dude RIGHT when Molly gets her stuff together and Issa will be 'insecure' about that.

We probably won't see Lawrence until later in the season when he's out with his new-new, looking fly cuz the new gig is paying right and the app is taking off.

^^^I'd be a lil surprised if NONE of this happened in season 2.

im very glad that it paid off
i really want to see lawrence still
i do want to see them both dating
i know it's *her* show
but i hope that he's still a featured character
i'd definitely rather explore him than her annoying side friends Bourgie and Thirsty

and i'd like to see if lawrence according to them doesnt completely turn into a monster or a hermit like most of our okp peers *JOKES*

i wld like to see Molly get a dating win
and it wld be interesting to see the tables turned with them
and how issa deals with it
i'd also like to see how daniel reacts to her if they see each other again

again, i hope less work and less kids
i find molly's work interactions way more interesting

>again, i hope less work and less kids
>i find molly's work interactions way more interesting


I was a little disappointed they didn't circle back to Molly's gig with the loud black chick after Molly's boss had that talk with the new chick. I would have loved to see that next convo she had with ole girl.

I thought they were just going to 'talk' to her about toning it down.

She may very well have gotten booted. But even then, I would have enjoyed the post-boot, in the all, boxes packed, exit convo between her and Molly.

Issa Rae did a case study on how some sistas be fcuking up good relationships.


It's funny because the show started very Terry McMillian with good sisters dealing with not being able to find good men and having to deal with low motivated slackers and wanna be players but the show ended up in more Tyler Perry territory of sisters with impossible standards overlooking the good brother right under their noses.

Issa messed around and made a series that got simps all over twitter feeling empowered ("For every faithful black man that was taken for granted by his woman, Lawrence speaks for us!").

I was surprised how the series spoke to black male masculinity in a positive non-judgmental way. I found myself in an awkward conversation explaining to my wife that I didn't think a dude who had one gay experience in college and decided he didn't like it was gay. Ever sentence started with "I've never done anything like that but if a dude did..."

I also thought the little Jidenna storyline was super interesting because 1.) Jidenna wasn't a bad dude, he was actually trying to be nice and 2.) I've seen this scenario go down time and time again. I just pray my home girl ____ saw this and saw for herself that it might not be such a good idea to be making plans 6 months later on a first date or invite that dude to a function with a lot of couples.


Only Issa Rae or a sister could make such a self critical series like this (or use the word "Bitch" every other word). Folks would be mad if a dude or a white person made this. And that's okay.

People are talking a lot about this series because there is a lot to talk about.

Also Spotify got a playlist for the series music. tight.





>The first episode is streaming on HBO GO!
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>I watched it and... yes! This and Atlanta on television at the
>same time is incredible.
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>I really dug that first episode.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Issa's passive aggressive "too cowardly to pull the trigger so Ill fuck up in hopes of sabotaging this whole shit" was very stereotypical guy when a relationship goes south.

>I was surprised how the series spoke to black male masculinity
>in a positive non-judgmental way. I found myself in an
>awkward conversation explaining to my wife that I didn't think
>a dude who had one gay experience in college and decided he
>didn't like it was gay. Ever sentence started with "I've never
>done anything like that but if a dude did..."

This was great though; during the whole gay wars era of OKP it would be surprising to see some female posters shout down the homophobes...then immediately slide into a 'IF HE TOUCHED A PENIS ONCE, FORCED OR NOT, THEN HE'S GAY' not seeing (or proud) in the hypocrisy.

Like why are you 21 acting like a 50 year old in a bad relationship that you want to get out of?

My little cousin in college was with us on vacation and he spent every night skyping his college girlfriend arguing with her instead of going out and having fun.

I felt the same way about this couple.

>Issa's passive aggressive "too cowardly to pull the trigger
>so Ill fuck up in hopes of sabotaging this whole shit" was
>very stereotypical guy when a relationship goes south.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Also Spotify got a playlist for the series music. tight.
>

https://play.spotify.com/user/insecurehbo/playlist/2xILQKmrLoYvCSbZVdwX8k

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the He Man Woman Hating still makes me laugh though
Issa is wrong
Lawrence is wrong
Molly is wrong
all her beaus except for that Rent A Guy were wrong
flawed characters is what makes tv pop these days
enjoy it
it's real
real annoying
but real

i dont know how anyone can be mad at lawrence at the end of this season
like at all
now he shocked the hell out of me
but he isnt wrong
at all
and i laughed.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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this girl.

http://imgur.com/a/PF9bq

Was she someone from the web series? What's up with the hair and makeup?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but she did it.
i really want better make up for Molly too, geez.

Felt like they were mocking Molly a little bit. "Look at her skin and her weave... it's worse than yours but that therapy changed her life"

be addressed, but it never was.

Or did you realize beforehand?

My wife and I have been turned off by her from almost the beginning. We root for her girlfriend and Lawrence ...the moment we meet that girl at the bank and see her encouraging him, i said he needs to jump over that counter and pick her pronto, and the wife agreed wholeheartedly.

She's pretty much been nothing but having a shitty attitude toward everyone she comes across from the jump. ABG was a little like that too.

I hope Bouch comes back soon. Dude cracks me up.

I guess since it's her show people want her to win but she really is a selfish and horrible person.

She was selfish all day. And she didn't tell producer dude that she had a boyfriend at first. She said she was fresh out a relationship. She ain't shit, smh.

the cheating just took it over the top

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I didn't know she had that in her. She's had me fooled all these years with that super extra playeryness.

she's got a lot of characters.

Like Black Lilly host/resident familiar

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9FlhpOehfU

"for putting those pair of titties in the front row." © Patrice

she's a dancer too. Man, she is thick as fuck.

You talking about the banker?

Cracked me up how long the bouch stuck around. I damn near get offended if i put something out and it doesn't get snatched up right away.

mostly everything else has been said. I was ready to tap out after 2 episodes, I'm happy i gave it one more chance because it settled in nicely.

I damn near howled at that ending.. damn.