>But there's a dynamic that I just ignore. I am not 'trying
>to be down'. Nor do I need validation from you.


I don't think I've ever accused you of "trying
to be down." That's half the quote. I said
I respect that you "wanna be down for the cause."
That is to say you are willing to speak out against
injustice against Black people. If I'm wrong about,
that, then let me know. As for you needing my
validation, that's none of my concern.



>My contribution to that Seals post speaks for itself. I am
>interested in what you have to say alot of the time...I
>basically just ignore when you resort to ad hominem replies or
>silencing opinions or relying on characterization. I'm
>interested in why you disagree with me about the issues that
>Seal's death has conjured....but you haven't articulated that.
> And like anyone else who uses these debate fallacies....you
>use it selectively. Being white discludes opinions when you
>don't agree with them. Being white does NOT disclude opinions
>when you agree with them.


Beginning at the end of that quote, that only says
that I don't really care about what a white person
brings to the table in a discussion around issues
pertaining to Black empowerment, and I stand by that...
firmly. With that said, I like a good discussion,
so I'll usually entertain all contributions. I found
your contributions to the Darren Seals post naive and
wrong. Naive because we have government documents
saying specifically to target Black Power organizations,
they infiltrated the March on Washington, and countless
other exposed conspiracies pertaining specifically to
Black empowerment in this country. When these cases
are studied, a pattern emerges. Now, for a Black person
NOT to look for the conspiracy or infiltration when
Black people become influential toward actual empowerment,
I think is just flat out dumb and dismissive of the
timeline of our existence in America. For a white person
not to see it... well that's just normal, because white
people aren't targeted like we are. I could have attributed
your naivety to stupidity or non-blackness. I was nice
enough to go with non-blackness.
(As for why I found them wrong, you were confusing collusion
with concert. You can work in concert with white supremacy
without necessarily colluding with white supremacists. Also,
no one in the post accused them of being sent in to introduce
homosexuality to slow down black birth rates. It just
sounding like all your disagreements with any kind of
black nationalism were running together.)



>When the point you are making can be made even when your
>contention is clearly wrong than I will check out. IE Suppose
>person x contends that Prince was shot by a rifleman working
>for the CIA. And then person y says 'No...there's an autopsy
>report'. Then person x rebuts: 'You are white and that's why
>you trust the autopsy report'. So what worth does that
>argument really have if it can be used for a position that is
>clearly wrong?



Eric Garner's autopsy report said he died of a heart attack
when we clearly see him getting choked to death. Sandra
Bland's autopsy report magically says she hung herself. Now you
add this in with what I said above about government documents
that literally say things like separate American blacks from
African blacks, prevent a black messiah, Muammar Ghaddafi's
death, Malcolm X's death, MLK's death, my uncles Bruce's death
when I KNOW he was thrown from a bridge onto a railroad track
by KKK members, the CDC covering up the Tuskegee Experiments,
etc. Like I said, believing paperwork for us is just stupid.
I question. I can't be stopped.




>There are non-white people in this post pondering why white
>people commit suicide. I think it would be very unproductive
>if I were to dismiss any opinion that comes from a non-white
>person.


The big difference here, is that everyone is pretty much
forced to deal with white people in very significant ways
(jobs, loans school, court, etc), considering the population
percentages and the fact that we both live in white-centric
countries, so that's quite a bit different. Despite that
though, I only care about white homicide, so I'm not
one of those people who's coming up with reasons. Second,
I'm not one to tell you how to address people when it comes
to issues plaguing the white community. You have the right
to tell them it's for the white community to figure out if
you want to... or you can listen. That's on you.